Barometer Survey shows the over 50s have strong views about Brexit

image
Print Friendly

We recently launched a new platform for our Silversurfers community to air their views. By setting up Barometer Surveys, we aim to give you a voice and to make people sit up and listen to your views.

Our survey about the EU Referendum last week was a huge success and we want to thank all of you who took the time to take the survey. Over 6,000 of you took part and you’ll see that people are listening and that the press are making your views public and today we are featured in the Express.

With a great age range amongst our community, there were actually over 3,000 of you who voted in Harold Wilson’s 1975 Referendum on whether to stay in the EEC (or Common Market). in 1975 over 67% of voters supported the Labour government’s campaign to stay in the EEC. Today, we have a very different picture; if the over 50s were asked to vote today, Silversurfers Barometer survey with 6,000 participants found:

65% would vote to leave the EU

21% would vote to stay in the EU

14% are undecided

Shockingly, 33% of over 50s who voted in favour of the EEC in 1975 have changed their minds and are now in favour of Brexit.

It looks like you have lost faith in the EU and these are the top five reasons you gave which have made you decide to leave the EU:

93% – immigration controls

93% – interference from Brussels

82% – cost of the European Parliament

81% – protection of British sovereignty

74% – welfare and benefits

You also told us that 86% of the over 50s have decided how they will vote. Only 14% of you are undecided. But from what you say, even if those of you who are undecided swing in favour of the EU – over 50s Brexit supporters are likely to take the UK out of the EU.

Martin Lock, CEO of Silversurfers, said, “What is really fascinating is that our community tells us that they have changed their minds. They’ve lived with the EU (in all its forms) since 1972 and they’ve had enough! A staggering 33% who originally voted in favour of the EEC have lost their faith in the EU and now want to leave. We know that the over 50s are the age group of voters who make the effort to vote. This means that it is possible that their votes could be the deciding factor on whether the UK stays in or out.”

Our Barometer survey also found that more men are likely to vote to leave the EU (70%) as opposed to women (62%) and women are twice as likely to be undecided at the moment (17%) as men (8%).

You didn’t think David Cameron had done a good job

84% of you thought that David Cameron could have done better or failed to get a good deal for the UK and only 16% thought he had done as well as he could have done.

And Boris is influential?

Interestingly, 21% of you who were undecided about how you will vote are influenced by Boris Johnson’s views.

Martin Lock, CEO Silversurfers.com, concludes: “With over 6,000 people responding to our survey, it is clear that the over 50s are pleased to have a new platform for their opinions. However, 42% stated that they did not have enough information to make a decision which means that there is still a huge opportunity to influence the overs 50s in the run up to the Referendum. Silversurfers’ new Barometer surveys give a voice to the over 50s and it looks like they will be a the deciding factor in whether we stay in or leave the EU.”

Not a member?

Join the silversurfers community today! It's free, easy to do, and is packed full of features and amazing offers!

Join the community!
Click here if you have forgotten your password
Roof Top Crow
22nd Jun 2016
5
Thanks for voting!
judging by the consistent level of thumbs downticks I know that my views are not those held by most other Silversurfers.

What I do not understand is the very strongly held view that the UK would be better off outside of the EU.

Maybe it is immigration. Both the Leave campaign and the Remain campaign were on the TV last night and they both strongly supported immigration. Neither side had a plan for reducing immigration. Without immigration, we all know that the NHS, care homes, and public services would fail. So it cannot be that.

Maybe its is the economy. But in EU membership, we have become the 5th strongest economy in the world and the 2nd strongest in the EU. On last night's TV, both Gove and Johnson agreed that voting to leave would drop us into recession triggering high unemployment and the misery that goes with being out of work. So it cannot be that.

Maybe it is security. But both sides agree that NATO, the USA, the Commonwealth Countries and all the EU countries say we are safer in membership of the EU. So it cannot be that.

Maybe it is sovereignty. But the only areas where we have given up singular UK decision making is in things like air traffic control, security, health and safety, pollution control, scientific research and no one is saying we should change those things. So it cannot be that.

Maybe it is Boris. He is a very good speaker but as we witnessed last night he never gives facts he just does some very clever rabble rousing. He does it with his little boy lost body language and a child little stutter. But even my granny could have seen through that performance and level of insincerity. So it cannot be that, well I hope not.

Reading though Silversurfers posts from other members I get the impression that we are all very nervous about the future. The things we have always taken for granted such as cheque books, post offices, DHS, and pubs are all disappearing and it makes us feel that life is being changed without asking us if this is what we want.

It could be that many people think that by voting to Leave we will somehow stop life moving so fast and changing so fast. That is not a sensible and realistic approach, we have to accept that life is changing very fast and the younger generations know how to live and work in this world and we do not.

We senior citizens must come to our senses. The world has changed and we have to hand over the future to the next generations, the generations in the future that will work and drive the economy and society forward.

Voting to leave the EU would hold back our children and hold back our grandchildren for years to come. The UK would become a historic backwater in the history of the world.

PS.
Farage has just backed out of the C4 debate that was scheduled for 9pm. Farage quoted family reasons.
Not sure what to make of this, maybe hop poisoning has overwhelmed him, or maybe a recognition that sharing a stage with clever intelligent people has led to a mental lack of confidence
Think of the future, think of the next generations and not just yourself.

Now it is up to you, just be sensible, do not take a risk on the future and vote to Remain.

Signing off as Roof Top Crow.

And thanks to the editorial team for being so patient with us
ReplyFlag as innapropriate
MorrisandDoris
22nd Jun 2016
-1
Thanks for voting!
I still think you're a mole from Brussels and I'm not alone in that so I shall be keeping my eye out for you in future on this and other sites.


Goodnight Mr Crow
Brexit !
CarolM
14th Oct 2016
0
Thanks for voting!
Are you insane? Mind you if you voted for Brexit and the destruction of the UK economy and the union ... I guess that gives the answer.
SovereignInventory
22nd Jun 2016
0
Thanks for voting!
I have always tried to run my life by only doing things if you are 100%, and I believe both sides of the argument have not done a god job of convincing me to vote either way. Another phrase springs to mind, "be careful what you wish for"
Roof Top Crow
21st Jun 2016
-1
Thanks for voting!
YouGov has just published a poll.
64% of UKIP supporters believe that the vote will be rigged and about the same number say that Leave will win.
.
Are they saying that UKIP will be rigging the polls.?

I think we need to be told.
MorrisandDoris
21st Jun 2016
0
Thanks for voting!
What it means is that the 64% of leave voters are convinced that the vote will be rigged if the result is Remain, but if the referendum result is run fair then we expect 64% win for Brexit Simple !!

So stop trying to be a smart Alec with your silly comments !
Roof Top Crow
21st Jun 2016
0
Thanks for voting!
You may, of course, be correct.
A week or so ago I was told in a Silversurfers post, that I am not a normal a Silversurfer, I am too well informed and have too much information.
.
I was not sure what to think of these accusations. But, if those things are true then you must be right, I am a smart Alec. My family will be very amused and will no doubt find many reasons to prove I am not a smart Alec.
0
Thanks for voting!
Roof Top Crow
21st Jun 2016
1
Thanks for voting!
Thanks for the link.

When I start believing the Daily Express, I will also have become daft enough to believe that there are fairies at the end of my garden.

Roof Top
MorrisandDoris
22nd Jun 2016
-1
Thanks for voting!
Well you seem to believe your own rubbish you write !
1
Thanks for voting!
The Survey was carried out by Silversurfers last week, and they have published our results 😉 This is the view of the Silversurfers who took part in the survey, not us, or the Express 😉
Roof Top Crow
22nd Jun 2016
0
Thanks for voting!
Thanks
I am a fully signed up member of the senior citizens club. I find it alarming that so many club members will vote to leave.

Leaving the EU will crash the economy. On TV last night both Johnson and Gove confirmed that the economy would go into reverse and we would drop into recession.

A recession will put thousands out of work, but not, of course, us senior citizens. Maybe us senior citizens have become part of the "not my problem society"

It will wreck the future for this working generation and the future generations. Is this really the legacy us senior citizens want to hand on to the next generations.
Roof Top Crow
20th Jun 2016
-1
Thanks for voting!
Nigel Farage that was on the TV on Sunday morning. He was confused, and as usual not answering the questions. Logically he cannot answer the questions because he has no answers.

He did not expect there to be a referendum and now that we have one it turns out he has no plan, no answers and all he does is blame immigration. No facts, no figures just blame immigration.
.
Regrettably all Nigel has done is given a platform and a media profile to the nasty, xenophobic, right wing extremism that Jean-Marie Le Pen and Donald Trump represent and some in this country support.
lindz64
20th Jun 2016
0
Thanks for voting!
Nigel Farage was 'not answering the questions'? Not like CaMoron then when asked, three times, on Question Time last night if he will use his 'veto' to keep Turkey out of the EU and three times he changed the subject. Nigel Farage has 'no facts, no figures'? Unlike CaMoron who either lies through is back teeth or makes it up. Nigel Farage speaks the whole truth and you lot don't like it and jump on the 'nasty' wagon. Wake up!
Roof Top Crow
21st Jun 2016
0
Thanks for voting!
Cameron does not have to say the word veto because Turkey will not be able to apply to join the EU within the next 30 years. In that 30 years the country will have at least 6 different governments and who knows how many Prime Ministers.

The last policy statement published by UKIP was in early 2015. Nothing since then and certainly nothing for the Referendum. The policy statement said they would win 10 seats in Parliament, they won just one. It is not worth repeating the statement as it was just bullet points, it did not include any facts or information.

Nigel has never said anything verbally or in print that could be called information. He just repeats the shallow and meaningless sound bites that he has become well known for.

What he has successfully managed to do, as the unofficial voice of the Leave campaign is create an atmosphere of mistrust, anger, and insecurity about the future. He has been disowned by the official Leave campaign and disowned by the one UKIP MP that was successful at the last election.
MorrisandDoris
20th Jun 2016
0
Thanks for voting!
Well Mr Crow your are obviously left of centre in your political views and a strong supporter of the Remain Club that is clear but what did you expect Mr Farage to say because it's not been done before nobody as left the EU so I would imagine it's quite a complicated affair to leave.
And I think you really are missing the point of the Brexit Camp and why it's receiving such support,it's mainly about sovereignty and uncontrolled immigration that's what it's about ,all your so called facts from Google are meaningless it's what's not on Google that is the problem people don't believe our politicians anymore about anything Tony Blair was the biggest liar ever and he set the benchmark for lies in politics.
So I shall vote Leave on Thursday and be proud that I did my best to save our once proud little island .
Roof Top Crow
21st Jun 2016
0
Thanks for voting!
If we vote to leave the EU it will be a very complicated and a very expensive process. It will cost millions and millions of pounds. Money that could be better used elsewhere and the cost will be born through our tax system.

I do not think it unreasonable to expect from Farage MEP some details of how the process of leaving will be undertaken. For example, when should Article 50 be issued, and who Farage believes should negotiate on our behalf. The fact that it would be complicated is not an excuse. Once again Farage is all sound bite and no facts. Does this man ever do any work?

Which bit of sovereignty do you think we have lost that has not been in our best interest. We have given up some part of our sovereignty in agreeing with the EU and the USA with regard to NATO, security, border control, double taxation, health and safety, food safety, farming, air travel, the internet and much more. Can you tell me which bit of sovereignty we have lost that has not been in our best interest?

Uncontrolled immigration is the thing that really irritates people. Using the points system we had 201,000 arrivals from outside the EU and 180,000 from inside the EU. It is a dilemma because immigrants contribute more to the exchequer than they claim. On a simplistic level, immigrants do the jobs us Brits do not want. From technology and science to working in care homes, warehouses and seasonal agriculture.

Save our proud little island is a very strange point of view. Are you suggesting we become something like the film Passport to Pimlico?

You say you want to save us, but you do not say what we need to saved from. Do we need to be saved from being the 5th wealthiest country in the world, with one of the lowest unemployment record of any countries in the world?

I have said many things and received a lot of criticism from you. But you have not said what you visualise for our proud little island if we vote to leave.
scandiman
20th Jun 2016
0
Thanks for voting!
What about nasty left wing extremism? The right wing don't have the monopoly on being nasty.
Roof Top Crow
20th Jun 2016
0
Thanks for voting!
I agree. There is no place in our society for political extremism.
scandiman
20th Jun 2016
1
Thanks for voting!
Farage's recent poster has been described as racist. Nonsense, he is pointing out that EU migrant policy has been a failure. It has failed EU citizens and the migrants. This is plain fact. We have highest population density in Europe, we cannot take thousands of extra people, many of whom can't even speak English. Genuine seekers of relief from persecution yes, all and sundry no. If Rowan Williams and others expect us to do more, I want to see every city, town, village and hamlet taking its share. That includes cosy Cotswold villages, the stockbroker belt, etc, not just the already crowded East London, the Midlands and industrial cities. How many can we put down for Hampstead, Highgate, Chelsea, Bath and Marlborough for example?
Plenty of landed estates with loads of room, start building houses.
I expect I'll be shouted down as racist, but I'm not. It is a matter of practicality.
I want out of EU so we make our own decisions. If things go wrong, we blame ourselves. EU doesn't work and never will.
MorrisandDoris
20th Jun 2016
1
Thanks for voting!
MorrisandDoris
17th Jun 2016
1
Thanks for voting!
Roof Top Crow ,no reply button showing on your last reply comment to me !
You like so many others are missing the point or just ignoring it ,the main reason people are supporting the out vote is we want our country back,and to be a Sovereign State again with proper border controls and freedom to make our own laws and change the ones we don't like.
A great many of the remain in supporters have a fear of the Unknown while others have vested interests and as for the present governments view I have no faith in them to do anything right for this country and Cameron is just another Tony Blair in a different colour !
maria mc
16th Jun 2016
0
Thanks for voting!
Ils à no brainer, we must stay in thé eu. Homophobia, xénophobie, and fear of our fellow men, plus Harming thé économe Will havé far reaching conséquences. Not everyone wants to live in thé Uk.
MorrisandDoris
17th Jun 2016
0
Thanks for voting!
Don't you believe it,enough do want to live here and that's the trouble and judging by your English grammar I would guess you were born elsewhere in the world!
Roof Top Crow
17th Jun 2016
0
Thanks for voting!
Born in the UK, grew up in a council estate, educated in a Secondary Modern School. Family can be traced back to Bedfordshire in the 16th century.
.
I use Grammarly to check my grammar and spelling and just occasionally it gets it wrong.
Barbara58
19th Jun 2016
0
Thanks for voting!
It would appear the gremlins are at it again - or is it us oldies making mistakes, as I have responded to you when the comments came from 'Lindzy' - but you should edit the photo and be proud of your age, and do read Dan's information and all the true facts.
Cheers!
I'm off to get my Horlicks and put my fluffy slippers on before the long slog next week.
MorrisandDoris
17th Jun 2016
1
Thanks for voting!
I think something went wrong here I was replying to a comment from maria mc not you, apologises for my mistake.
Roof Top Crow
16th Jun 2016
-2
Thanks for voting!
Who is this Paragon of virtue. ?
Maybe he should resign. I hate to see people unhappy in a job, maybe you can have a word with him and suggest that he gets back to the UK finds something else to do.
.
Why does he keep taking the salary every month if he is so disgusted with the EU?
MEP salary 2016.
Euro 8020.00 a month before tax.
Tax is then paid to the EU and HMRC
.
Take home pay is around £3900 a month.
Which is about the same as a UK MP.
.
If we vote to Leave he will, of course, be out of a job in about 2020. He will then be able to join the growing list of unemployed that voting to leave will create.
.
Rules the Waves.
it was originally a poem written in the 17th century. It then became to symbolise the Royal Navy in the 18th century.
.
A very useful set of values for the digital and technical world we face in the 21st century.
Barbara58
19th Jun 2016
2
Thanks for voting!
Ps - I'm on final push volunteering for Brexit as of tomorrow so will be far to busy to be on Silversurfers, sorry.
Barbara58
19th Jun 2016
1
Thanks for voting!
I was going to respond to your reply to my post until I saw that you are posting as a 72 year old man with a 40 ish photo.
Truly honest!
So, all I will say is that you would do well to read everything Dan Hanan has written about the EU and why we should leave.
I was at his house today and discovered that Brexit have stuck to their given budget for electioneering, whilst the 'ins' have overspent by app. £13 million, some £5m from donations, the balance from - yep, you guessed it - the public purse, aka the British taxpayers.
Hope you make the right decision. LEAVE!
lindz64
20th Jun 2016
0
Thanks for voting!
Not forgetting Barbara that CaMoron was supposed to be under Police investigation for fraud. That's gone quiet hasn't it? Not what you know but who you know x
Roof Top Crow
21st Jun 2016
0
Thanks for voting!
Was he supposed to be under police investigation or was he definitely meant to be under police investigation. Can we have some information please.
Roof Top Crow
20th Jun 2016
0
Thanks for voting!
Thank you for your compliment. The photo was taken when I was on holiday a couple of years ago. Maybe I should change it to a photo taken on my 70th birthday.

I balance I think this forum has some more important issue to address than how my family genes have served me so well.

I still do not understand why he remains an MEP if he thinks the EU has no value. I assume it is because he believes that he has more chance of changing the EU from the inside than from the outside.

But then that is what the Remain side are saying.

I think he should come clean and vote to Remain as he will be more successful if we stay in the EU
lindz64
20th Jun 2016
0
Thanks for voting!
Nigel Farage has already acknowledged that he will lose his post in the EU and said it would be a small price to pay. Good man!
Roof Top Crow
21st Jun 2016
0
Thanks for voting!
Nigel very rarely attends an EU meeting where he has to vote. Although he is often at the EU headquarters.

I am sure he will be pleased to stop driving back and forth to Brussels and then not achieving anything when he gets there.

Resigning will at the very least reduce his carbon footprint.
Barbara58
16th Jun 2016
1
Thanks for voting!
I'm mad that the BBC dictated who should appear in the debates from the Brexit camp.
The very best person for the job, my MEP - and yes, Boris, I do know who he is - was prevented from taking part because they knew he'd wipe the floor with the 'in' campaign.
As an MEP he knows only too well how corrupt Brussels is, and, on his blog, is begging people to give him his P45.
Listen up folks - on his 1st day as an MEP he was asked for his flight ticket and received a cheque for £800 - yes, London to Brussels, £800 - the rate worked out, not from the actual cost, but from the unelected EU officials who have set a 'per kilometre' rate.
He was disgusted both then and now. So am I.
Vote Brexit and we will, once again, rule the waves.
scandiman
12th Jun 2016
2
Thanks for voting!
In 1975 we voted to join the EEC trading partnership. No mention was made of 'ever closer political union', a mantra of the likes of Blair and others. This has been gradually introduced, hoping we won't notice. Perhaps the know-it-all elite would have been more successful had they been honest. The mess was created by them, and it is their responsibility to resolve it, but they can't because it has gone on too long. It will only get worse. Time to leave. We can't change anything by remaining, this has already been proved.
lindz64
19th Jun 2016
0
Thanks for voting!
Yes scandiman, I'm sick and tired of hearing the 'remain' politicians telling us that we need to 'remain' so that we can change the EU "from the inside"!! What a laugh when they've had four decades to do that. Cameron has put 77 proposals to them since 2010 and EVERY ONE has been rejected! So much for European democracy. Have a bit more confidence in our great country and vote leave next week
viking
10th Jun 2016
2
Thanks for voting!
Rooftop should come and look around this area and just count the number of Merc,VW,Skoda, Seat, Maybach etc etc. All of these are manufactured or part manufactured in Germany.
Does he really think that if we left the EU, THEN FOREIGN CAR MANUFACTURING IN THIS COUNTRY WOULD CEASE ??
Well even if we have poor negotiating skills I think that a wopping tariff restriction on German vehicles coming into the UK would be justifiable.
We have been warned by Nigels arch enemy in Brussels that even if we vote to stay in, we will be punished - not sure why ?
Roof Top Crow
10th Jun 2016
-2
Thanks for voting!
Car manufacturing is complex. For example BMW manufacture in Germany, the UK, South Africa and the USA. It would be very easy for them to move the UK manufacturing to another country.

Skoda and Seat are owned by VW and not manufactured in the UK. VW also own Bentley which is manufactured in the UK.

We manufacture 500,000 cars a year in the UK and we export 80% of them. If we leave the EU there will be an import tariff on those cars in the EU countries importing them.
.
If we leave the EU Import tariffs might well be applied to manufacturers in the EU importing products into the UK.

Is that what you want ? do you really want to vote to leave and get back to the old days of import and export tariffs, visa applications to travel abroad etc. Is that what you really want for the future of this country.
.
Punishment from the EU.
If we vote to leave then the UK will be punished very severely by the EU. They will severely punish UK as an example to other EU members who might also be thinking of leaving the EU.
.
By Nigel I assume you mean the non elected leader of UKIP
Roof Top Crow
10th Jun 2016
-2
Thanks for voting!
The European Court of Auditors (ECA) signed off the 2014 accounts November in 2015. They are expected to sign of the 2015 accounts in November 2016.

The ECA signed off on the 2014 accounts as reliable, as it has for every set of figures since 2007.

But it did find that payments were materially affected by errors. On closer examination its shows that the material errors were
approximately 4.4% of the EU's spending.

As always it is in the detail. These material errors have occurred mainly when the rules where not followed.
For example when not enough businesses were asked to quote to supply a service in an EU member country. This often happens when there is only one business that can supply the service.

This is not a fraud and the money has not gone missing but since the rules were not followed 100% it has to be classified by the ECA as a material error.

There were 22 EU transactions that warranted further inspection from the 2014 audit. Most fell into the category I referred to in the previous paragraph.
.
I hope that helps and on the basis of this information you will now vote to remain.
MorrisandDoris
11th Jun 2016
2
Thanks for voting!
You know far too may facts and figures to just be an average Silversurfer so you must be a Cameron or some others Lobbyist planted here to spread the word for your handler.

Joseph Goebbels would have been proud of you !!
Roof Top Crow
11th Jun 2016
0
Thanks for voting!
Not sure how to respond to this. but I will try.
.
As I have said before I am not a politician and I have never been a member of a political party. I am am long retired 72 year old ex business person who has some computer skills. I also like gardening, cooking and DIY.
.
Information.
Information is very easy to find. Type in the question on Google and within seconds you will get back pages of information. For Example : Google led me to the European Court of Auditors web site. All of the information was there in 2 pages.
.
I know from your posts that your starting point is putting forward opinions that bear and uncanny resemblance to headlines in The Daily Mail and The Daily Express. Unfortunately you believe them to be true.
.
My starting point involves a few minutes independent research on line to see if newspaper headlines are true. Sadly most of the statements made in the Mail and Express are either distortions of the facts or absolute lies.
.
If you want to cast your vote on the basis of being uninformed or the incorrect facts and lies printed in the trash end of newspaper publishing, that is your choice.
.
Goebbels is a strange choice of insult and I will ignore it.
.
I think you would have been more in tune with today's society to say Jack Abramoffa. I have to admit I just found him via Google, but looking just a little closer I would have probably taken it as a compliment.
MorrisandDoris
17th Jun 2016
0
Thanks for voting!
Goebbels is a good choice because he is well known among older readers,and it wasn't meant to be an insult you just chose to take that way.
Regarding your comment that I quote the Daily Mail and Express headlines is perhaps that they are correct and you are overwhelmed with or your fancy facts and figures from Google.
The real problem with EU is that it is blind to the real world and even in your words admit it as problems ,the trouble though is they won't ever be fixed .
So by this time next week we should be out of the EU with any luck and I predict more countries will soon follow and that's without looking on Google !
Roof Top Crow
17th Jun 2016
0
Thanks for voting!
Telling the truth.
If you look at the Press Complaints Commission website and the Independent Press Standards Organisation website you will see that the Express and the Mail are continually having to publish retractions because they have published articles that are not true.
.
I know you will vote to leave. Can you explain why so many countries outside of the EU say we should not vote to leave? Can you explain why so many of the worlds independent financial authorities say we should not vote to leave? Can you explain why our elected Government say we should not vote to leave? Can you tell me why the independently run Bank of England say we should not vote to leave?
albie7
9th Jun 2016
1
Thanks for voting!
Sorry to keep repeating myself but in all the verbage being spouted in this Referendum debate, one point keeps being missed I.e.the auditors of this grossly undemocratic EU have for the last 20 years refused to sign off the accounts.At the last audit they couldn't account for a reported shortfall of the equivalent of £4.5 billion.So where does all this shortfall go??? What better reason for voting Brexit ?
scandiman
7th Jun 2016
0
Thanks for voting!
One thing is certain, which ever way we vote. On June 24 the sun will still rise. There will still be endless sport, soaps, reality TV and repeated films on television. Little will change in UK. Our problems are so serious that no matter which choice we make, they cannot be resolved. The U.K. that I grew up in has gone. All is change, because all things must pass.
Wilf
7th Jun 2016
0
Thanks for voting!
This is evolution. No doubt in the 50s and 60s people of our age were looking back to the 20s as the "good old days". the world will keep changing but way faster than ever before. Its unstoppable especially with technology. In 85 years we will have advanced 100s of times as technology inflences our lives more. In 85 years I doubt anyone will own cars. we will just order them like Uber
Recycledteenager36
2nd Jun 2016
2
Thanks for voting!
I certainly will be voting out we have been lied to robbed and cheated, a lot of you here will also remember the change of money over night they wiped 100% of our money out was this with a view to the EU market?. The thingsthat worries me if this is fixed like the last vote for the goverment there will be a war in this country. I once heard from some one who fought with the British and said they will take a great deal but when they go they are like buserkus (sorry about the spelling) and don't get in their way. I think if we are cheated again it may not be the younger generation going to war but the over fifties. We have systematically had our country decimated, what they could not do in two world wars, destroying us from the outside they are tried to do from the inside out.
Roof Top Crow
31st May 2016
0
Thanks for voting!
New Zealand lamb is freely available in the shops. It is normally 10% to 20% cheaper than UK lamb.
Wilf
31st May 2016
1
Thanks for voting!
Although I love NZ thats got to be bad news that lamb transported round the world for 12,000 miles is cheaper than in the UK. Whatever happened to local produce plus look at the "carbon miles" involved!
Roof Top Crow
31st May 2016
0
Thanks for voting!
I agree. Maybe they are producing so much lamb that they have to dump it in the UK..
Carbon Miles. I am not sure that we had to take this into account up until 5 years ago. If we vote Brexit we will be looking to export more to New Zealand and Australia and the UK will be producing lots of Carbon Miles.
Wilf
31st May 2016
0
Thanks for voting!
Thats quite a good point
SissieSis
29th May 2016
1
Thanks for voting!
I recorded and watched the EU Debate with two MP's for and two against. One thing that the Green Party MP said was that we can still trade with other countries outside the EU. However, if my memory serves me correctly, New Zealand lamb disappeared from our shops when we joined as we were not allowed to trade with them.
SissieSis
29th May 2016
0
Thanks for voting!
An interesting course coming up on FutureLearn - Towards Brexit.
Westminster
1st May 2016
6
Thanks for voting!
We should consider the ramifications of remaining in the EU.

Turkey, Macedonia, Serbia, Montenegro, Albania are all likely to join the EU in the next few years.

That means that another 127 million people would have the right to come to the UK.

Now, even if only 1% come to the UK, that is another 1.27 million people who will require housing, health-care, welfare benefits, schools for their children, etc.

We are overcrowded already, we need to control our borders, and have a breathing space from the mass migration we have experienced in recent years.

Many migrants work hard, and contribute, but we cannot accommodate the world.
lindz64
19th Jun 2016
0
Thanks for voting!
Many migrants may work hard Westminster, but many do not... how many migrants legal or illegal come here for the well known benefits our too soft country offers?
Roof Top Crow
14th Jun 2016
0
Thanks for voting!
There is a flaw in your argument. Turkey, Macedonia, Serbia, Montenegro, Albania are very unlikely to join the EU within the next 30 years. They all agree that this is correct.
.
If any of the countries you name reach the point where they are ready to join the EU the application can be rejected by any one of the countries in membership.
.
One of the risks we take if we chose to leave the EU is the demographics of the UK population. If we stop immigration or even cut it by half we will become an ageing population. An ageing population then struggles to run services like the NHS because us oldies block up the wards.
Barbara58
19th Jun 2016
0
Thanks for voting!
We, the UK have paid Turkey about £70 million so far to 'assist' and 'prepare for' their acceptance into the EU
Roof Top Crow
20th Jun 2016
0
Thanks for voting!
The EU pay money to Turkey to help them protect their eastern border and to help them look after the 2.2million refugees they are accommodating in Turkey.

The likelihood of Turkey becoming a member of the EU within the next 20 or 30 years is very very slim.

Even then an application can be blocked by just one EU member. If we leave the EU we would not be able to do stop them becoming EU members.
lindz64
19th Jun 2016
0
Thanks for voting!
If Turkey are not about to join the EU any day soon, why are the UK paying millions of OUR pounds to pave the way for them? FACT!!
Roof Top Crow
20th Jun 2016
0
Thanks for voting!
The ERU is paying them millions to help them hold back and manage the 2.2 million refugees in Turkey that have come from Syria etc. It is humanitarian aid and is not intended to help them become members of the EU.
Wilf
14th Jun 2016
1
Thanks for voting!
Yes we will have an ageing population...Better that than 80 million people in a country fit for about 50 million! Total madness. We need to control our borders. Staying in will just not do this
Roof Top Crow
13th Apr 2016
1
Thanks for voting!
I agree with you, we must read everything and that includes the publication from the government.
.
The two groups who want to represent the Out campaign are Vote Leave and EU/Grassroots out.
.
Do you have any idea which of these two groups will become the official voice of the Out campaign and if they are going to publish anything.
.
At the moment both groups seem to spend a lot of time disagreeing internally and disagreeing with each other. it does not give me a feeling of confidence.
Roof Top Crow
2nd Apr 2016
0
Thanks for voting!
I often read comments from other contributors in which they very bluntly say that Cameron, Merkel and other politicians tell lies.

But none of the contributors take the time to explain what political or financial advantage Cameron, Merkel and other politicians get by telling lies.

The fact that a politician has an opinion you do not agree with does not make them a liar. It just means they have a different opinion.
bargerman
1st Apr 2016
5
Thanks for voting!
As you say there are a lot of us who can remember when the UK joined the Common Market,1972/3 .No one knew what our future would hold if we would be better off or worse off.
Now once again we are face with the same problem we cant say what the future holds, but we do know what has happened in the past We can see what we have lost and what we have gained so which one out weights the other, Over the years we have seen the sense in giving local authorities the abilities to govern themselves likewise governments should not be tied by EU law
The EU has got to powerful, and in my eyes we should leave and take our future in our own hands
Barbara58
1st Apr 2016
4
Thanks for voting!
A friend of mine is an M.E.P and heading the OUT campaign, knowing full well that he will become unemployed if we vote to leave! That speaks volumes.
Once all the campaign literature is available (soon) we will all be able to make up our minds by weighing up all the facts. It's good that some people are waiting and, of those who have made their minds up one way or another, I urge you to read everything you can get your hands on, then make your decision based on ALL the facts.
lindz64
19th Jun 2016
0
Thanks for voting!
What happened to the Police investigations on the illegal overspending on the EU campaign by 'remain' politicians? That's gone very quiet!
latin
1st Apr 2016
1
Thanks for voting!
Weighing up the lies from Cameron Merkel and Co
Sd
1st Apr 2016
4
Thanks for voting!
How do we know that we won't see any benefit unless we get out and give it a try. I'm also in the group of ladies robbed of their pension, fingers crossed that WASPI succeed.
Susan WestYorks
1st Apr 2016
-4
Thanks for voting!
Even if we leave and Cameron stops giving money to the EU we won't see any benefit. He has already stitched me up with having to wait longer to get my pension. Immigration is out of control. It's like shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted. Too late to see much benefit. We may as well stay in.
lindz64
1st Apr 2016
4
Thanks for voting!
No Susan, please NO!!! The EU seems to me to be falling apart anyway, the French have demanded their own referendum and yesterday so had the Germans?? I don't want to live in a federal state, where all our objections are blocked (ask Cameron) and Tusk has already said that he can't guarantee the 'reforms' Cameron got... or said he'd got. No thanks, I'm OUT
latin
1st Apr 2016
2
Thanks for voting!
What a defeatist attitude!
There will be no EU to stay in once all the immigrants get here!
Welcome to Merkel and Camerons world!
Susan WestYorks
1st Apr 2016
2
Thanks for voting!
stephcoombes
1st Apr 2016
4
Thanks for voting!
I was a young woman when the 1972issue of joining the EEC was put to the nation. I voted Yes but basically for free trade. I am now horrified at how much money is ploughed into the EU with what appears to be very little return. As for immigration,don't even go there. Actually, I am still undecided as to whether or not to exit. We are closely tied to Italy in that we have property over there. But, and this is a big but, we have absolutely no rights there as we are not residents. We have a bank account that rips us off each month for having money deposited. It is illegal to have a house and utility bills without setting up a bank account. We also pay higher taxes than residents as we are classed as 'stranieri' (foreigners). So I will ask of our Silversurfers community, what do you think is the benefit of our remaining in the EU. We would be in the same position I feel as if we were out. In Italy, it is also required for hotels and B&B to register any visitors with the local police, even though we are members of the EU. This has not changed since before membership. So, once again, what is the point of being part of the EU? Your comments would be welcome.
lindz64
19th Jun 2016
0
Thanks for voting!
Absolutely no point whatsoever Steph, what is there to stay in for? Just more of our billions being poured into the EU, when it could do mountains of good being spent in our country. Why pay them billions per year, just for them to send us a small portion back... what is the point? Exactly.. cut out the middle man and vote leave x
june1
23rd Mar 2016
3
Thanks for voting!
I did vote to join but what we have now is not what I voted for.
1 am still unsure but if Turkey joins then that would be really impossible to accept . We have much to lose and it would take many years to restablish trading partners and it would be at a premium so cost us .I do not kknow if we could get TV could a financial balance.
lindz64
1st Apr 2016
2
Thanks for voting!
We would still trade with the same partners if we left the EU. They sell much more to the UK than vice versa and they're not going to lose such a good market. As well as that, we would be able to negotiate business deals all over the world, unlike now, when the EU blocks that as well. You should be very afraid if Turkey joins the EU, which in my opinion is a done deal anyway, 75 million eligible to join. Obviously I'm not saying 75million are going to come here, but how many? Who can answer that? I'm afraid for my children and grandchildren and what the future holds for them. At least if we were out of the EU the UK would make its own destiny, not being answerable to unelected, faceless beuracrats, all dipping in the pot of the £58 million we pay in per DAY. Apologies if I've spelt that wrong
bobby47
21st Mar 2016
5
Thanks for voting!
i didnt vote to join ...we were lied to i'm certainly voting out
JohnHerb
1st Apr 2016
0
Thanks for voting!
Yes but we voted to join in 1975!
Roof Top Crow
21st Mar 2016
-2
Thanks for voting!
Thousands and thousands of people work in the car industry in the UK. We assume that if we leave the EU the car manufacturing industry will stay in the UK. I do not think that is correct.

Rolls Royce is owned by BMW Germany, Bentley Cars are owned by Volkswagen Germany, Jaguar and Land Rover are owned by Tata Steel of Indian. Vauxhall cars are owned by Opel Germany. Toyota Cars are owned by Toyota Japan.

They are all manufacturing in the UK because we are members of the EU. If we leave the EU they will all gradually pull out.

If we leave the EU we will have tariffs on our exports. Manufacturers like the ones I have listed above will pull out of the U.K because they will be able to manufacture in Germany, France, Spain or anywhere else in Europe and not have to deal with trade barriers and tariffs.

When we vote we will be deciding the future of our economy.
JohnHerb
21st Mar 2016
-2
Thanks for voting!
This is a really good point. If we leave the EU its a risk that we may find tariffs on our goods in the EU and companies like cars and aerospace may not want to manufacture here in the UK
latin
1st Apr 2016
-2
Thanks for voting!
Do your homework,so you would give your country away on the strength of one persons lie.
JohnHerb
1st Apr 2016
0
Thanks for voting!
One persons opinion-not a lie! The problem with a lot of Brexits is they are obsessed with the Eu being some kind of gigantic lie and con when its actually a economic and political union. The Eu is the worlds largest trading bloc. If we leave its an issue For example China produces 700 million tons of steel per annum. The UK 12 million...BUT if we work with other EU countries we may just sort the problem...if we are alone we will get nowhere
Craftyfox
20th Mar 2016
7
Thanks for voting!
We all know that they will tell us everything we want to hear, but nothing will change. If we blow it this time and stay in EUROPE we will deeply regret it. I am sure of that!
Lionel
20th Mar 2016
7
Thanks for voting!
I'm a 64 year old man (pension next month!) and I'll be voting Brexit. But perhaps not because of the most hyped of reasons.
No.

I have for very many years queried how, and perhaps why, a very small minority of people, mainly MPs and civil servants, have appropriated the right to themselves to sell my liberty, my freedoms won in the blood of our ancestors and give my taxes to an oligarchy of tyrants and despots in another country.

I was not asked if I agreed to our sovereignty being given to this tyranny, nor was any other Brit. I was not asked if I wanted my country dominated by legislation created in a foreign country. Nor was I asked if I agreed to our police forces being superceded by a pan European military police based on the CRS of France, riot police. I was not asked if I agreed to the European Arrest Warrant being applied here, whereby I may be detained indefinitely in a foreign country without charge for something as small as a parking violation.

No one sought my agreement, or yours!

Thus, the first place we should head for is Out, to created a level playing field and then, maybe twenty years down the road, when our politicians have been pensioned off by the EU and Civil Servants long out of office let the establishment ask again, do we agree to these and many more things?

The answer is predictable. Once a caged birds gets it's freedom getting it into the cage again is near impossible!
JohnHerb
1st Apr 2016
-2
Thanks for voting!
True about the caged bird but think we may regret being out of the EU due the economy may suffer. Do we really want that? I think not!
latin
19th Mar 2016
7
Thanks for voting!
I am a woman and I will be voting out!
People who say they don't know enough regarding the corrupt EU only needs to research it all on line and read comments etc .Everything can be found on the net.
I follow foreign newspapers and read up what is happening in Hungry Austria Germany Greece Sweden Denmark etc,these things are what Merkel and her friends have done to our lovely European country's in their attempt to get rid of white faces.
Cameron said we are too white and he wants a Muslim prime minister,he has given our democracy freedoms and sovereignty away and we have never been consulted.
I have many reasons to vote out,GP sugerys hospitals schools roads are all full up.
Housing on green belt, no go areas, Shira law courts ,Halal meat ,face veils all which are not compatible with a Christian country .
Yet Cameron and the Europhiles continue with the destruction of our nation.
We are paying billions of out tax money to the EU to fritter away on any pet project that takes their fancy and pay themselves vast sums of money that are unaccounted for.(remember the EU has no money ,it's our money they spend )
We need to spend our taxes on our selves ,our country's infrastructure and our pensions.
We need to round up all illegals and send them back to their first country of entry!
This is just a few of the reasons Inand all my friends and family are voting out!
Try walking in Barbados ,Australia or any country outside the EU and see how difficult it is to get in.
They want to know where you are staying ,how long for date and flight no of departure ,health insurance etc,and you abide by the rules of that country !
You can't have an alien law running beside the host country's laws ,you can't claim benefits or a house and you can't slaughter meat in an inhumane way.
They keep a check who comes in and who leaves what desease you may have,and that is the way it should be.
I will vote out!
Wilf
19th Mar 2016
2
Thanks for voting!
Unless you are an EU citizen its difficult to get into the UK. Think housing on green belt etc is the fault of the government and local authorities. In fact there is not that much building anyway one of the reasons house prices are still so high
MorrisandDoris
11th Jun 2016
0
Thanks for voting!
Difficult to get into the UK for non EU citizens !!!

You are having a laugh, read the papers there are hundreds if not more getting in everyday.

Bye the way are you a pal of The Roof Top Crow ?
T4bsF
18th Mar 2016
4
Thanks for voting!
Not keen on the wording used "and women are twice as likely to be undecided" This wording seems to indicate that us ladies, are living up to the world's previous stereotypical view of women (that we can't really think for ourselves).
Had the wording been "and women are twice as likely to be undecided, at the moment" - this would make all the difference - as it would imply that we are mulling all the possibilities over, before making a reasoned opinion on how we intend to vote. The fact that more men have already made their decisions - may mean that they have just not bothered to consider all the facts and have just gone ahead and made a snap decision.
2
Thanks for voting!
Yes I think you make a very valid observation, and the wording has been amended to reflect this. Best wishes, Sally
RoystonC
18th Mar 2016
0
Thanks for voting!
I am unsurprised as we are old enough and sensible enough to remember pre-Eu and the present situation. Could someone please why we are being told that we now have "a reformed EU" please? In what ways is the EU reformed compared to what it was a year ago?
lindz64
18th Mar 2016
5
Thanks for voting!
In no way is it a reformed EU Royston, David Cameron flitted about from country to country and came back with nothing new. There's absolutely nothing to stay in the EU for and we will be £50-odd million pounds PER DAY better off! I'm not surprised that Merkel wants us to stay in, they want our money, not us! Cameron even had to get the EU's permission to take the tax of tampons because a petition signed by thousands in this country demanded it. Apologies for the thumbs down, that was a big mistake on my part.
latin
19th Mar 2016
6
Thanks for voting!
I don't agree with you on anything and I hope that we in the UK vote out and believe that the Baltic states will be the first to break away from the dictorial corrupt money grabbing EU.
Read up on what several Baltic leaders think and why they refuse to let their Christian nations be taken over by Non EU people,and I happen to believe in what they say and believe they will be the saviours of all European country's .
Wilf
19th Mar 2016
0
Thanks for voting!
The world is undergoing globalisation fast..its a small planet and we are not able to put up the fences and stay as "little "countries. For example global warming is the 2nd most dangerous issue facing us all. We need to work together not as small nations
lindz64
19th Mar 2016
3
Thanks for voting!
You would be better explaining global warming to China and India Wilf, for a small country, we do more than most!
Liamas
18th Mar 2016
-1
Thanks for voting!
As a British/Irish citizen (with a Lithuanian partner), born in England [educated half in Ireland and half in England], resident in Ireland for going on 30 years, I am strongly in favour of remaining in E.U. - for personal reasons (obviously !) but also because I believe that continued membership, and in fact closer integration generally is to the long-term benefit of Britain, Ireland [incl. Northern Ireland], Lithuania & the Baltic States and Europe as a whole; economically, security considerations [especially re Russia]; socially and in the interests of the broad mass of ordinary citizens. That is if they rationally and intellectually consider, rather than knee-jerk emotionally all that is at stake !.

One last point, all U.K. Passport holders, not just citizens up to 15 years outside U.K., should have a vite !.
lindz64
18th Mar 2016
4
Thanks for voting!
I don't agree with you Liamas. You have obviously got personal reasons for staying in the EU but Tusk has already said that the EU can't guarantee the terms David Cameron thinks he has won, which amount to nothing much anyway. We're going to end up a tiny fish in a massive sea where our opinions and needs will be pushed under the proverbial carpet. I would defend our sovereignty to the endth degree, but that's not what the EU is all about, they're about a federal state which I personally don't want any part of.
Brigham
18th Mar 2016
2
Thanks for voting!
Having lived within the community for so many years, we can all pick fault with the system and its rules and regulations, however there is always strength in unity. It may not be the perfect world or EU but better the devil you know than the one you don't. Having served in the Royal Navy for almost thirty three years I value the UKs sovereignty most highly and hate the interference from Brussels I do not believe that leaving the EU will weaken our position in NATO nor do I see a weakening of our worlds standing, with a better deal I would have had no hesitation of voting to leave, however the fear of the unknown keeps nagging
latin
19th Mar 2016
5
Thanks for voting!
Don't you have that fear of the unknown with staying in the EU?
I have a far far bigger fear of staying in than coming out ,and to think I am paying the EU to rid our nation of Christianity and the white man!
Cameron said we are too white and wants a Muslim primeminister !
Our soldiers who died for our freedom and democracy were scared also,but they fought for all our futures and this is what we have to do again.
One way or another we will have to fight ,as the mess we are now in isn't going to go away by just rolling over like we have just seen Cameron do with the EU negotiations.
He is lying to us as he is only interested in his seat on the Kinnock family gravy train to Brussels .
lindz64
18th Mar 2016
3
Thanks for voting!
Hi Brigham, I'm a little confused, you seemed to be saying at the beginning that you were all for voting to stay, but then it seems you would leave? You also say 'better the devil you know', but we know that this particular devil has swallowed us up and we're one tiny star on the Europe flag, continuing ad nauseum being told what to do and when to do it. No thank you, I quite like our national flag! Many, many of us remember the pre-EU days, when our country ran smoothly, perhaps not perfectly, but we all had houses, jobs and a very decent NHS. What has the EU given us, honestly? We've given them fifty odd million pounds, not per year, but PER DAY. I'm not surprised Merkel wants us to stay.
latin
19th Mar 2016
2
Thanks for voting!
Roof Top Crow
8th Mar 2016
0
Thanks for voting!
Still thinking.

I know what we will get by staying in the EU.
I do not know what we will get by leaving the EU.

The leavers have not told us how they will make things better.

So far they have shouted a lot and attacked anyone who does not agree with them.

But they have not published one single article about the economy, housing, education, immigration or in fact anything else.
.
The EU is far from perfect but the principle of being on the inside of the tent and having having a vote seems much better than being outside and having no influence at all.
Barbara58
19th Jun 2016
0
Thanks for voting!
Before you vote - or abstain (please don't) - can I suggest you Google Dan Hanan, MEP, a most amazing political figure who is the MEP for the South East of England and who has worked tirelessly on the Brexit campaign.
You'll find all you need to know - the truth - in order to make a decision.
He's asking us to get him his P45, and his insight into the working of Brussels is astonishing.
I was with the family today and learnt that each camp was allocated £7million for their campaign.
Brexit stuck to that, yet the 'in' camp have actually spent £20 million on theirs. Shocking.
Even worse is that about £5m was donated and the remainder somehow came from the public purse - yes, that's us, the taxpayers money.
Roof Top Crow
20th Jun 2016
0
Thanks for voting!
Dan Hanan is a complex person and writes well, but when you look a little closer you see that his views often contradict each other.
I think his mention of Enoch Powel in 2009 was an error and his apparent alignment with UKIP does nothing to help his credibility within the Tory party or the general public.
It now seems likely that remain will be successful on 23 June. I assume that at that point he will resign and stick to his career as a journalist
latin
19th Mar 2016
5
Thanks for voting!
Ha ha we have been inside your so called tent all these years and we can all see where that has got us,Rochdale springs to mind!
You want more of the same do you ? You fear the unknown ?
Thank goodness you weren't one of our soldiers who fought in our wars saving our country's democracy and freedoms! You would have never got off the starting block,you would be saying lets all be friends and one big country!
Those soldiers were scared of the Unknown but fought for our country's freedom and democracy so that you and your children had a free future was of importance to them than fear of the Unknown .
Roof Top Crow
19th Mar 2016
0
Thanks for voting!
I have read a number of your comments. The U.K has for many years gone to war in defence of the freedom of thought, freedom of speech and freedom to hold your own chosen religious belief.

WW2 was a fight to defend the oppression of the Jewish faith. The current situation in the Middle East is in defence of Christians and Muslims.

Our soldiers do not fight in defence of Christianity or any other faith. They fight to allow people to hold their own chosen belief.
latin
1st Apr 2016
2
Thanks for voting!
World War2 was not to defend the oppression of the Jewish faith where on earth did you dig that up from!
Wilf
19th Mar 2016
-2
Thanks for voting!
Firstly you do not know my or my family's background so you would not be making comments about wars and soldiers. Secondly this is not about wars or fighting its about a democratic vote to stay in or go out of the EU. You want to get out which is fine. I want to stay in again thats fine
latin
19th Mar 2016
4
Thanks for voting!
Do please tell us what you think we will get by staying in the EU and where is your evidence ?
The EU people are rising up ,they want there freedom of speach and democracy back and to not be told by unelected leaders who can enter their country's ,how many ,called racist if they object or express their views.
You only think that Cameron and Merkel are telling you the truth,if so you really need to do your homework .
Read all the EU papers and research.
Wilf
19th Mar 2016
0
Thanks for voting!
Tell us what we will get out of leaving the EU and where is your evidence. Its a risk and nobody knows what will happen to the economy. The EU has given Europe a lot of benefits. Number 1 is we have not had any European wars. That alone is worth staying in for!
MorrisandDoris
11th Jun 2016
0
Thanks for voting!
We haven't been to war in Europe since the EU!!! we where at war with Germany and Italy in 1939 the rest of Europe were overrun and surrended ,Spain stayed neutral with a few others.
We were fighting on our own then in Europe, but with the Canadians, Australians, New Zealanders and later America helped us defeat Germany and liberate Europe.
The EU as nothing to do with peace, in Europe the only military power is France and us, countries in Europe are hardly going risk a war with each other, plus we have nuclear weapons now ,so that argument is groundless and shows signs of desperation like Cameron!!!
Roof Top Crow
11th Jun 2016
0
Thanks for voting!
I think I will get my Beacon book of facts out of the cupboard. Ah yes here we are .....
World War 2 ended in 1945
The UK joined the EC in 1973
Wilf
11th Jun 2016
0
Thanks for voting!
Most of the EU leaders have stated the EU structure provides peace and such tight integration makes it hard to declare war or have antagonistic scenarios. Not sure it got anything to do with Cameron. Its just fact!
latin
19th Mar 2016
6
Thanks for voting!
Wilf get your facts right ,you are like Cameron in spouting lies .
The EU has prevented nothing in fact it is now causing one!
It's NATO and NATO alone that has prevented wars,look it up its all out there to read up on.
All the EU has done is filled us to the brim with people who don't intergrate and have their own laws and take our tax to throw around and pay themselves for the destruction of our nation.
We want Europe back to how it was ,all independant country's with their own currency's and who make their own laws for their own people and control their own borders.
Merkel and Co want putting back in their boxes and the lid firmly closed!
DavidScD
18th Mar 2016
6
Thanks for voting!
There's lots of detailed facts out there to answer your comments on post Brexit. Take a look at "Au Revoir Europe: What if Britain left the EU" by David Charter or "With Friends Like These; Why Britain should leave the EU" by David Conway.
Your comment about better to be inside having a vote is quite pertinent. In the last 20 years the UK government have submitted 72 amendments to EU. None were agreed.15 years no audited accounts. Why? Suggest you read "Brussels Laid Bare" by Marta Andreason MEP. She was the EU Chief Accountant. The book explains whats going on and what happened to Marta when she refused to go along with its fraud and waste. There's plenty of other information to study if you're really open minded.
I've also worked in Brussels. Its really an eye opener.
latin
19th Mar 2016
1
Thanks for voting!
Roof Top Crow
18th Mar 2016
1
Thanks for voting!
There are as many articles in favour of staying in the EU as their are for leaving the EU. The reality is of course that the authors of these articles are writing them to substantiate their own opinions.

What I want from our own home grown leaders such as Johnson, Gove and Grayling are the details of how they would negotiate our withdrawal from the EU and how they would negotiate the new trade deal with the EU and negotiate new trade deals with the rest of the world.

The EU is far, or should I say very far from perfect. But as members we still have a chance of changing things. If we leave we will not be able influence or change anything.
MorrisandDoris
11th Jun 2016
0
Thanks for voting!
Same chance as winning the lottery jackpot so dream on!!
Roof Top Crow
11th Jun 2016
0
Thanks for voting!
I thought you wanted to leave.

Now you are saying that saying that the possibility of Johnson, Gove and Grayling giving us an explanation of how they would negotiate our leaving the EU is about the same chance we have of winning the lottery.
.
Chance of winning the lottery is 14 million to 1 against.
lindz64
19th Mar 2016
2
Thanks for voting!
You obviously haven't read the comment by DavidScD above? "the UK government have submitted 72 amendments to EU. None were agreed" !! Doesn't that tell you that we have NO chance of changing things? Merkel and her cronies are interested in our £50 million + per DAY, nothing more. The sooner we are out of the EU the better as far as I am concerned, it will be far, far better spent in our own country, especially on our NHS before it is too late to reverse all the sneaking privatisation
JohnHerb
18th Mar 2016
2
Thanks for voting!
The U.K. Government should have a website with the pros and cons of leaving
latin
21st Mar 2016
1
Thanks for voting!
And you would believe that would you JohnHerb?
How sad that we have people in the UK still trusting Cameron and Co!
Heath ,Brown ,Blair ,Major ,Cameron and Clegg have all lied and deceived to get our money and to remain in Merkels superstate dream and you have obviously trusted them to write what you have.Even the left winger Tony Ben wanted the nation out!
Govenments have gone corrupt and rotten to the core this is why the people of Europe are rising up!(or were you not aware of that as our UK papers and BBC do not report that)
You will have to fight any time soon to save your country and identity .Younwill also look back and wish you has seen through Cameron and the corrupt EU.and researched more and read more foreighn news! German people are now pushing for an in out referendum as they are turning against Merkel!
They like us were not consulted or asked if they want a Muslim take over or a superstate creation.Merkel is after the London Stock Echange now,can you imagine France or Germany selling their assets off to us?
Cameron and his pals want their seat on the Kinnock family gravy train all payed for by you and your family.
Don't give you families future away for more of the corrupt same ,take your chance and help put the great back in our nation!
We need the daily money we throw at Brussels to spend on themselves ,as our roads schools hospitals prisons are at breaking point.Also our small island is full up!
JohnHerb
21st Mar 2016
-1
Thanks for voting!
Seems to me you are so focused on getting out of the EU latin that you do not want to hear any other arguments. You also seem to be obsessed with the EU being corrupt. Tell me a country that is not corrupt in your view?
latin
19th Mar 2016
5
Thanks for voting!
Why say that John when you have already made up your mind to vote for more of the same.
You trust Merkel and Cameron far more than most people do in Europe .
I wonder if the good people of Rochdale and Peterborough etc feel as you do.
Feel free to sell your country without a shot fired or any of us being asked , and you aren't even prepared to put up a fight !
Wilf
19th Mar 2016
-3
Thanks for voting!
You seem obsessed with leaving the EU. I do trust Cameron. Do you trust Corbyn-oh dear!
latin
19th Mar 2016
1
Thanks for voting!
If you can't do research yourself instead of trusting Westminster then this is a very sad day for our country and the people who want democracy back.
Westminster can fool some of the people some of the time,but not all of the people all of the time!
latin
19th Mar 2016
3
Thanks for voting!
Ha ha and you would believe that ?
My goodness do your own research ,check out other country's problems and how it's all unraveling .
Its govenment and EU lies that has got us on the road to hell in a handcart ,and when the passports are dished out to Turkey this or next year you will have to consider where you will go to live then!
Remember Turkey is Muslim.
Wilf
19th Mar 2016
0
Thanks for voting!
I have been to Turkey many times on holiday. The country and people are lovely
Wilf
17th Mar 2016
0
Thanks for voting!
Yes I agree with this
Recycledteenager36
3rd Jun 2016
1
Thanks for voting!
Hi there
I have been to several countries including Turkeuy and I have to say yes they are nice but they want your money as you are on holiday Again I have been on both side of the coin I have meet a lovely Muslim lady whose views were very good but I also knew a muslim family which I havd family ties with that thought nothing of lying and using people for their own ends. You should read other papers not connected to England they tell of the unrest that is going on all over Europe. See for your self before you vote
latin
19th Mar 2016
2
Thanks for voting!
You would believe what they told you would you Wilf?
It's like Cameron coming back from the EU saying he has gained a win in the EU negotiations when we know he hasn't !
If you believe Cameron Merkel etc you will, believe anything.
Read David Owens comments on the corrupt EU.
winky
3rd Mar 2016
6
Thanks for voting!
Well I have to that I am sad that I missed the chance to fill in the survey./ But having read the results I am very pleased indeed with the outcome. Obviously the questions posed I agree 100% plus. I can recall 1975 as though it was yesterday I voted against it then and what really astounded me back then was that almost everyone you came across they say they voted out! yet the final tally went against us, fast forward to these last several years I have been vehemently active in my total opposition to this huge edifice of incompetence greed and corruption that is the E.U.
We have lost hundreds of laws ,and have had to accept laws from Brussels which for me is an undemocratic gang of rich nobody's.

I am again very angry that we are allowing all these immigrants ,only the other day it was revealed its costing the British tax-payer £ 1 Billion a year on GIVING them (jobseekers all) (HOUSING BENE) ( FINALLLY ( D.L.ALL/DISABILITY ALL)
this money going out to people we do not know their circumstances yet at the same time this OSBOURNE thing and his buddy I.D.SMITH, ARE ROBBING GENUINE BRITISH PEOPLE OF THIER RIIGHTS TO THESE PAYMENTS. Finally one of my other reasons is for my grandchildren I do not want them to SUFFER in thier future like I have done since 1973, I pray the great british public realise that we do have history behind us as is written and again WE CAN STAND ALONE AND BE WHAT WE ARE AND THATS GREAT BRITAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!
lindz64
18th Mar 2016
2
Thanks for voting!
Very well said Winky x
Christine59
18th Mar 2016
0
Thanks for voting!
I could agree with your comments were it not for the government allowing millions of tax pounds to be "lost" by not making the amazons, googles, Starbucks etc., pay what they are due. And giving themselves pay rises of ten per cent when the ordinary worker gets 1 or 2 per cent? And as for taking £30 a week from people who are disabled, and their means to get out and about, shameful.

Migrants contribute to British society, paying taxes and working in industries that others don't want to because it's hard or dirty or extremely poorly paid.

And if anyone in my family had to flee or be killed, or watch their family be killed, raped, mutilated or disappeared, well I hope the would be a country whose doors would be open to give them a refuge.
latin
21st Mar 2016
1
Thanks for voting!
Stop benefits and make everyone work for benefits!
We don't need migrants as cheap labour!
They don't work where I live and they eat all the fish out of season and have eaten all the swans!
latin
19th Mar 2016
2
Thanks for voting!
You obviously don't get out much!
If you feel that strongly may I suggest you house one of the families in your home.
lizfid3
2nd Mar 2016
8
Thanks for voting!
Not at all surprised at the results, we are not prepared to be dictated to or threatened by this lot any more. The deal secured by Mr Cameron is suspect to say the least . Well done Silversurfers for giving us a voice.
latin
21st Mar 2016
2
Thanks for voting!
He pleaded with Brussels to lift the Tampon tax!
Is there anything this corrupt Europrats won't dictate and control!
If you vote in and show weakness they will trample us to death and you will have to lump it!
The future of Merkels dream is far more scary than standing on our own two feet and being able to rid ourselves of bad leaders and bad laws and bad people!
No more "please Mrs Merkel,can I have....," just to have the door slammed in our face and told "you will do as I say ,not as I do",
lizfid3
22nd Mar 2016
2
Thanks for voting!
winky
3rd Mar 2016
6
Thanks for voting!
Bravo well said!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
mickigirl
2nd Mar 2016
12
Thanks for voting!
I want out, big time. It's ridiculous the way Britain has become. It's a joke. And furthermore, I am sick of all the scaremongering going on by the 'no's' Thank you Silversurfers for conducting this poll. It's results are very interesting, but not at all surprising!
Richard Milner
2nd Mar 2016
-10
Thanks for voting!
Just my opinion - If the country votes to leave, not much will change...Great Britain will still be part of Europe in some way or another and immigration will not change, may even get worse.

The 'Out' side have not yet said, what will happen if UK is out...there is no Plan B.....also, no-one has said, if 'out', what will happen to roughly 2 million expats in Europe....they could all return wanting to be housed...

UK can do much more to help Europe improve from being within Europe and I do not mean accepting the Euro etc..

This is one of those times, where the ''better the devil you know than the devil you don't know".

Another problem is, there are not so many living born before 1950, who can still remember how bad the UK was before entering Europe.... I can and it was awful...since being a senior partner in Europe, the UK is now another great country.
JohnHerb
21st Mar 2016
-2
Thanks for voting!
The UK was awful in the 50s and 60s. The economy was about 10 x smaller than it is today-no motorways, rubbish cars, no decent sandwich shops, high taxs, no colour TVs.....I could go on and on!
MorrisandDoris
11th Jun 2016
0
Thanks for voting!
Most of Europe was worse back then and we were still rebuilding from the war but we had our independence then and could control our borders!!

No colour TVs, seriously !!!
latin
21st Mar 2016
1
Thanks for voting!
I remember before entering the EU and we were respected as a great nation.
You also are like Cameron "vested interest ,"we ordinary folk are not senior partners in Europe and have small business and families to think about!
How can you be a "senior partner in Europe? "Europe isn't a company!
No wonder you don't want out ,don't want to lose the cash cow .
The EU does not have any money,it's all the tax payers money therefore we need to be able to say where our money goes and who is spending it?That won't happen though Merkel and Co don't believe in honesty and openness do they,it's all about lies corruption and control.
JohnHerb
21st Mar 2016
-1
Thanks for voting!
We still are a great nation. We are the 6th largest economy in the world out of 220 nations. We are in the top 5 on the UN table...English is spoken globally, our music is global so is our culture...tell me whats not great about the UK????...apart from the weather!
latin
19th Mar 2016
3
Thanks for voting!
The in team haven't got a clue which way to turn and the only way they deal with things is to throw our cash at things hoping to buy themselves time.
What are the future plans for the failing currency and the broken nations that are now rising up against Merkel and Co?
Merkel and the EU have created a ticking time bomb and it is folding around the EU corrupt leaders ears.
Wilf
10th Mar 2016
-3
Thanks for voting!
yes I agree with your views. For Joe Average not an awful lot will change. My worry is what about the "economy" and if it starts to suffer everyone will bemoan the fact we left the EU. Will be too late then
latin
19th Mar 2016
3
Thanks for voting!
For goodness sake where is your fighting spirit,it won't matter a jot about your economy if you follow Merkels road ,she is destroying everything we hold dear in favour of the complete take over of Europe and it's economy's.
She is creating a war by messing on Russia's borders and inviting those country's to join her psychotic dream and then dishing out our passports to all of Turkey like they are confetti ,and not heeding the warning that Turkey is a Muslim country which does not recognise democracy.
It's such scary stuff we have to stop this assault on our freedoms and democracy now!
Bring back the treason law that Blair banished!
lindz64
18th Mar 2016
-1
Thanks for voting!
You seem to have changed your tune Winky since 3 March? How's that?
Lodgie
2nd Mar 2016
15
Thanks for voting!
I too voted to join the EEC in '75. However, this was sold to us as a free trade area, politics were not really a consideration. The EU we have now is a very different animal; we are effectively ruled by and unelected commision on a concensus basis. What to we have in common with Spain, Greece and Germany? Very little I think. Those who'd have us remaining as a member of this "club" are doing so through fear, ignorance or financial gain.

If they really believe that Germany will not sell us cars, that France won't sell us wine and Spain will stop us going on holiday, they are soft in the head. Likewise, our banking, insurance, luxury goods, pharma, IT and semi-conductor products will still be needed by Europe. The remain arguments based on fiscal considerations are nonsense.
JohnHerb
2nd Mar 2016
-12
Thanks for voting!
I think we should stay in. Although the EU has issues we are part of the worlds largest economic trading bloc...why would you want to leave that-its madness
lindz64
19th Mar 2016
2
Thanks for voting!
Because we could negotiate our own deals with India, China and the rest of the world, including Europe. They're not about to stop trading with us... do you think they are going to stop selling their expensive cars to us? Don't think so and they'd still buy our products because they're the best in the world... have some faith, please!!
Roof Top Crow
20th Mar 2016
-1
Thanks for voting!
All sounds so simple. Bentley cars are owned by Volkswagen and Rolls Royce are owned by BMW. Jaguar is owned by an Indian Company. Will they stay in the UK if we leave the EU.

I was in an international business for 30 plus years. China blocked us for so many years we gave up. India was a nightmare of import tariffs and civil servants who lost files and payments. The USA made us drown in duplicate paperwork.

The EU was easy and we grew the business and employed lots of people in the UK.
lindz64
20th Mar 2016
1
Thanks for voting!
It's a whole new world now... the business we grew will no doubt be staffed by the extra 5 million migrants from Turkey any time soon. I respect what you're saying and as of now, we still have freedom of speech in the UK. Kind regards
latin
19th Mar 2016
1
Thanks for voting!
What you are saying is madness ,it's all falling down around Merkels ears and the other nations are rising up and here is you saying it's madness not to stay.
Why don't you go and live in Merkels Germany if you are so keen on her leadership and leave us to sort ourselves out.
CarolM
1st Apr 2016
-1
Thanks for voting!
You want those claiming Employment Support Allowance (because they are too ill to work) to work for their benefits, Latin? Or perhaps you're one of those who have been fooled by the right wing media into believing that millions are lost in benefit fraud? The last measure of Benefit Fraud (in 2012) showed it at 0.7%. That's including all those who reported a change, but the money had already been issued, and those who died but benefits had been paid and were not returned. Incidentally many ill people do try to work and the vast majority of those on Jobseekers Allowance really are looking for work. How do I know? I worked for the Department of Work and Pensions for over 22 years, in the Pensions Section, on the Counter and in New Claims!
latin
1st Apr 2016
1
Thanks for voting!
And your point is?
I worked in Social Services for over twenty five years and witnessed first hand all scams known to man !
And why presume that I think everyone on disibility allowance should be made to work,don't put words in my mouth thankyou!
CarolM
1st Apr 2016
-1
Thanks for voting!
Latin, you wrote 'Stop benefits and make everyone work for benefits!
We don't need migrants as cheap labour!'
Didn't you realise that Employment Support Allowance, Disabled Living Allowance and Personal Independence Allowance are all 'benefits'. Though from my interaction with Coventry Social Services who rarely told people the correct information about benefits, I'm not surprised at your ignorance of Social Security. Yes, I saw people trying to fool us (who were often caught, as the 0.7% of fraud shows), but as I said the majority of people want to work.
PS. Do you mean you let them get away with the scams that you recognised?
denboy
2nd Mar 2016
13
Thanks for voting!
Let's get back control of our own country and our own law's, we don't need Brussels telling us what we can and can't do

Community Terms & Conditions

Content standards

These content standards apply to any and all material which you contribute to our site (contributions), and to any interactive services associated with it.

You must comply with the spirit of the following standards as well as the letter. The standards apply to each part of any contribution as well as to its whole.

Contributions must:

be accurate (where they state facts); be genuinely held (where they state opinions); and comply with applicable law in the UK and in any country from which they are posted.

Contributions must not:

contain any material which is defamatory of any person; or contain any material which is obscene, offensive, hateful or inflammatory; or promote sexually explicit material; or promote violence; promote discrimination based on race, sex, religion, nationality, disability, sexual orientation or age; or infringe any copyright, database right or trade mark of any other person; or be likely to deceive any person; or be made in breach of any legal duty owed to a third party, such as a contractual duty or a duty of confidence; or promote any illegal activity; or be threatening, abuse or invade another’s privacy, or cause annoyance, inconvenience or needless anxiety; or be likely to harass, upset, embarrass, alarm or annoy any other person; or be used to impersonate any person, or to misrepresent your identity or affiliation with any person; or give the impression that they emanate from us, if this is not the case; or advocate, promote or assist any unlawful act such as (by way of example only) copyright infringement or computer misuse.

Nurturing a safe environment

Our Silversurfers community is designed to foster friendships, based on trust, honesty, integrity and loyalty and is underpinned by these values.

We don't tolerate swearing, and reserve the right to remove any posts which we feel may offend others... let's keep it friendly!

More Polls

Which is your favourite shop bought mince pie? Closeup of an open mince pie on a wooden table with red christmas background
You know Christmas is coming when you sample your first mince pie of the season! Are you...
Which activity do you find most restful? Close up of a hammock on a tropical beach resort vacation concept
Last November an online survey called The Rest Test was launched to investigate what rest means to...
Which is your favourite Quality Street? quality
Quality Street is a popular selection of individual tinned or boxed toffees, chocolates and...
What is your main health concern as you get older? Medical stethoscope and red toy heart lying on cardiogram chart closeup. Medical help prophylaxis disease prevention or insurance concept. Cardiology carehealth protection and prevention
As we get older, it is only natural to start worrying about our health and many of us have a range...
What is your favourite Buddy Holly song? Buddy Holly
This day in 1936,  Buddy Holly was born and he would have been celebrating his 80th birthday...
Which travel adventure is top of your Bucket List? Machu Picchu
There are so many places in the world to visit and magnificent sights to see.  Travel broadens...
What is your favourite Elvis song? Elvis
This day in 1977 The King, Elvis Presley sadly left us.  Elvis Presley forever changed the...
Who is your favourite British Olympian so far? medals
With the 2016 Rio Olympic games just around the corner, we look at past and present athletes and...
What’s the best way to complain? Render illustration of computer keyboard with the print Customer Complaints on two adjacent red buttons
When you’ve got a beef with a company, what’s  the most effective way of complaining to them?...
Who will make the best Prime Minister? London United Kingdom - June 5th 2016: Downing Street location of Number 10 home of the British Prime Minister.
W ho do you think should replace David Cameron as leader of the Conservatives and Prime Minister...
Democracy has spoken Brexit British flag missing piece from a European jigsaw puzzle
SILVERSURFERS latest Barometer Survey found most over 50s would vote to Leave The results are...
Who would you choose to replace David Cameron as Prime Minister? the prime minister for england lives here   ** Note: Some blurriness & graininess, best at smaller sizes
Prime Minister David Cameron is to step down by October after the UK voted to leave the European...