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Is this the start of a brave new future for Great Britain?


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elkiton
29th Jun 2016 20:15:49
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I live abroad...and apart form the majority of working Brits what are very angry about the leaving vote, my discussions with foreign colleagues indicate that they are convinced that the only people wanting to leave are old, extreme right wing and twisted racists. It really shocks them when into the discussion I reveal that as a successful retiree ex-pat I voted for Brexit, and much to the anger of my working age children and partners. When I explain that I voted to go, and take the risks that go with it, namely in my case, because of the growing political agenda to (confirmed yesterday) build a super state in which we loose all control of our armed forces, and border control to Brussels; The sheer F.Up made of Greece and the resulting drive into poverty; and the inaction that allows terrorists et al to come in on a wave or refugees..and finally the fact that the EU prints money and the books have never passed an audit.........I get told by one of my Yank friends...You must be the one exception to the poor downtrodden masses with no PHD that hate immigrants..."
A very interesting view...Then I let on my family was Jewish immigrants and I have no PHD lol

More importantly, is how we well and how are going to negotiate before invoking Article 50, and using Juncers threats of harsh sanctions against anyone thinking about moving away, to our advantage.

For the fist time in 40 years politicians will have to earn their money by running the country, and not just haggling a few rough edges off the legislation that they have to follow, before implementing every damn edict coming out from Brussels HQ! Remember the no-bent-bananas law passed / then repealed saga ?

Take care.
TonyE
Response from celtwitch Original Poster made on 19th Jul 2016 17:43:31
Well said
jeanmark
14th Jan 2021 15:01:26
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chari, like you I have yet to have anyone explain to me exactly what benefits there are now we have left the EU.

Call me a cynic but I recognise that those with off shore accounts have now avoided having to pay tax on their money, and of course, this includes the very people in charge of our country who also pushed Brexit through. It appears that people like farmers and fishermen may not get the benefits they were expecting. Well you reap what you sow...
chari
14th Jan 2021 14:06:22
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I fail to see how a tiny island off teh coast of france which imports at least 50% of its food and doesnt make anything very much any more is in any position to negotiate good deals with anyone. Jaguar Landrover gone, Nissan going, Ineo auto going, Honda going HSBC and other financial house who did 51% of Uk exports all taken HQ to eu and left a branch office in uk.
If the future is so good would one of the persons whobelieves it will be better for me an ordinary person please explain what it is I have to look forward to.
chari
14th Jan 2021 14:02:35
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fishing is less than 1% of our gdp and the report from greenpeace indicates that the bulk of the quotas in Uk are now owned by corporate fishing whose owners are on teh Times rich list not local trawler fleets.
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3rd Jan 2021 22:49:12 (Last activity: 12th Jan 2021 19:57:57)
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Response from jeanmark made on 5th Jan 2021 13:41:41
Actually that's not totally accurate - fact check:

"One of the first things we've done on day one is get rid of pulse trawling"

Pulse trawling, which involves the use of an electric current to force fish off the seabed making them easier to catch, was indeed banned in UK waters on 1 January 2021.

But France and Belgium - both EU member states - had already outlawed the practice in their territorial waters (which stretch up to 12 nautical miles from the coast).

The UK could have done the same when it was still a member of the EU.

An EU-wide ban was also passed into law in June 2019 and is due to come into full effect on 1 July 2021.

Pulse fishing has become less common over the past few decades in EU waters.
There were eight vessels - seven from the Netherlands and one from the UK - using the technique in UK waters between January 2019 and June 2020, according to ocean conservation charity the Blue Marine Foundation.

Four were fishing within UK territorial waters and therefore could have been banned by the UK, before it left the EU.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/55522329?fbclid=IwAR3m_qPrtMVWiRh3W6BLqoywZmZj3CER_rlGSBP0U0eyJ_5nyfAQjufAugs
Response from jeanmark made on 12th Jan 2021 19:57:57
Sorry Yodama, I just have no confidence in a Prime Minister who makes a living out of lying and when everything he does is for his own the benefit. He will take the credit for others successes and blame anyone but himself for things that do not go to plan. His school report from Eton stated that he showed that he believes he should be praised for everything but shows no abilities for anything or take responsibility for his actions.
ColinM1
26th Feb 2019 13:41:10
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Good to see that at last some common sense is beginning to make itself heard .The prospect of an honestly held and properly conducted Referendum is a must Perhaps those narrow minded introverted Brexiteers who have spouted so much rubbish over the last while will shut up and realise that May’s bungling incompetence has led the country up a blind alley ! Time she resigned and took her puppets with her .
ColinM1
30th Jan 2019 15:11:57
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Incredible how the politically blind Mrs Mayhem abetted by her bribe mates the DUP at last managed to win a vote in the Commons . The blind Brexiteers got her a mandate to go back to Brussels and restart negotiations on the controversial Irish backstop. No air miles this time Theresa - the response from the EU was with you in seven minutes – the Withdrawal Agreement struck last November was NOT up for renegotiation . We thought Thatcher was a disaster ! Poor woman was not in the same league!!
ColinM1
20th Jan 2019 21:33:00 (Last activity: 21st Jan 2019 06:04:53)
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Thank you young Lochinvar for your response and that of your faithful minion ! Your apparent derision regarding the Herald Poll is a bit of a smokescreen . The paper has an independently chosen panel of 500 persons ( not necessarily readers ) . Scotland has a population of approximately 5.5 million Pollsters such as You Gov and Ipsos Mori covering the whole of the UK have panels of between 1200 and 1500 covering a population in excess of 50 million thus negating your facetious comment . Scotland will vote on UK issues until she ceases to be a partner in the present Union – quite obvious I would have thought . With regard to your somewhat tetchy “ Europe does not want you “ remark it is clear that you did not hear the speech by MEP Alyn Smith to the Parliament regarding Scotland’s future membership . A standing ovation with the exception of Farage and his morose mates ! In conclusion you commented that most English people would support Scottish independence . One of the biggest groups favouring independence is that of the English Scots who are prominent in their support at open days throughout the land . Surprised you did not throw in a retort about “ English subsidies “ but presumably you got the message when you read the McCrone Report ! A little concluding tip- Carole’s hammer has a shoogly head and doubt it ability to hit many nails on the head !
Response from CaroleAH made on 20th Jan 2019 23:09:32
First time I have ever been described as a "faithful minion" 🙂 🙂 Sticks and stones, Colin!!!
Response from CaroleAH made on 20th Jan 2019 23:30:55
Haha! That's the first time I've ever been called a "faithful minion" 🙂 🙂 Sticks and stones, Colin!!!
Response from ColinM1 made on 21st Jan 2019 06:04:53
Carole , thank you for your prompt response . Simply felt that you endorsed Lochinvar ‘s response quite blindly when it was so factually flawed .Things are changing at a rapid rate in the political sphere not necessarily for the good . Take care and wrap up well it is likely to be cold one .
ColinM1
20th Jan 2019 11:57:56 (Last activity: 20th Jan 2019 19:02:38)
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Not surprised to see you swimming against the inevitable tide Lochinvar The Herald has a sound reputation for investigative journalism and quality output They publish regular polls using an independently selected panel of 500 persons . To cure your current DTs ( Doubting Thomas’s ) read the latest You Gov poll of last Wednesday .It is applicable to the whole of the UK . 56% wish to stay in the UK against 44% who want to leave ! The same proportion want a second Referendum – 3 points up on last month . If May- hem perchance fiddled a Brexit deal it is now obvious Scotland will wave bye bye and take her place with our fellow Europeans
Response from CaroleAH made on 20th Jan 2019 19:02:38
Bravo, Lochinvar! I think you have hit the nail squarely on its head 🙂 BTW did you notice that you had been re-names Lochness further down this post?
ColinM1
18th Jan 2019 13:01:58
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Our pal Lochinvar should come out o’ the west
To hear the words of our Nicola
Which are clearly the best !
So faithful to Brexit and dauntless in chat
There never was a Leaver like the Surfers wee p**t !
( apologies to Walter )
ColinM1
18th Jan 2019 10:17:26
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Further bad news for the Mrs May –hem , the woman who talks but does not listen. Scottish opinion in the Herald Poll shows 72.32 % felt Brexit should NOT now go ahead , just over 70% said it should be stopped , 66.17 % did not feel it should even be negotiated . Interestingly a majority of 56.55 % think Scotland should have a vote on whether to remain within the UK if Britain goes ahead and leaves the EU .
ColinM1
16th Jan 2019 11:34:30
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Well done gals ! Let us pile on the reddies and top the last effort we made against the dreaded Col ! Brexit may now be a bit of a “ no no “ and poor old Theresa took a right thumping last night but “we” will soldier on !
ColinM1
16th Jan 2019 07:25:26
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“ Oh dear gals –this is not what our pal Lochness was warning us about ! It was about the Brexit ramblings and so called rude names ( ?? ) Looks as if the wee red markers are measures of approval ! O me miserum – all is lost ”
ColinM1
12th Jan 2019 10:00:38 (Last activity: 16th Jan 2019 00:06:36)
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Great news – it seems that at long last sanity will prevail and the obnoxious Brexit proposals will be kicked into touch together with the narrow bigot Mayhem and her cronies . The flawed Referendum result was caused by the deluded mind-set of the voters of some of the English provinces especially the Midlands and North East .Sadly we, the pensioners of this realm , joined the misled in too high numbers ( some two to one ! ) Redemption is however nigh ! Common sense is returning !
Response from CaroleAH made on 15th Jan 2019 12:53:49
Well said, Northern and Lochinvar. Don't know about C's ramblings - more like vitriolic rants but best ignored. You would think that he would notice all the red thumbs down marks he gets and jigger off to Europe and leave us in peace! 🙂
Response from CaroleAH made on 16th Jan 2019 00:06:36
Thank-you, Northern! 🙂
ColinM1
14th Jan 2019 19:53:21
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Oh dear , Lochinvar has surprised more than a few with his wobbly observation about “rudeness “ ! Chuck us a tattie ! Guess you and the wee lassies have been reading too many ramblings – tacit defeat calls ! Guess a couple of sessions in Westminster might allow you to redefine rudeness .
As for Northern ( him or her ) usual Brexit confusion over which country she belongs to ! Britain aka England seems to have learned its lesson with Mayhem heading for the Cameron door ! Some of us belong to countries which voted substantially to remain . Democracy looks like winning .
ColinM1
8th Oct 2018 18:32:34
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Sad that the BBC continues its biased reporting of matters north of the Border .The succession of Independence marches have shown a remarkable turnout of many nationalities and indeed ages ! Good humoured and laid back it was an amazing turn out . The 20000 Beebers assessment of the Edinburgh march was laughable Numbers were in probablity between 80 000 and 100 000 !

The usual small band of what the Wee Ginger Dug would describe as “fleg-waving British nationalists” had brought their sound system along. It was loudly playing Rule Britannia for all to hear. This contrasted with the marchers who had, in addition to thousands of Saltires, flags from England, Wales, Ireland, Denmark, Germany, USA, Sri Lanka, India, Catalonia, Malaysia and many more. What a vivid comparison between what Yannis Varoufakis calls “cuddly Scottish nationalism” and the Brit Nat exceptionalism.
ColinM1
3rd Oct 2018 18:12:16 (Last activity: 4th Oct 2018 19:05:08)
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Lochinvar methinks Lady Jane spent her time exchanging recipes ! SIR Anton Muscatelli is Principal of Glasgow University ! Anton was educated at The High School of Glasgow and the University of Glasgow, where he graduated M.A. (Hons) in Political Economy (1984) and took a Ph.D. in Economics (1989). He was a Lecturer and Senior Lecturer at the University of Glasgow from 1984 to 1992, and Daniel Jack Professor of Political Economy from 1992 until 2007. He was Dean of the Faculty of Social Sciences, 2000 to 2004, and Vice-Principal (Strategy, Budgeting and Advancement) from 2004 until 2007.[4]
Response from ColinM1 made on 4th Oct 2018 19:05:08
Was NOT is !:He has been (2007-10) a special adviser on monetary policy to the House of Commons Treasury Select Committee. He has previously acted as consultant to the European Commission and the World Bank. My local ice cream man was born in Italy SO what ?
CaroleAH
4th Oct 2018 10:40:27 (Last activity: 4th Oct 2018 12:33:24)
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I strongly object to being called a parrot, pet or otherwise. I am willing to have a civilised debate with anyone about Brexit. Theresa May was a Remainer but is doing her utmost best to negotiate a deal to leave the EU which is what this country voted for. Unfortunately, Colin, your posts on this subject have become extremely offensive as it seems to be your way or no way. Not once have you offered any alternative solutions for ensuring a good deal for the UK, which is what everyone in this country wants. And, by the way, I do not read the Daily Mail.
Response from CaroleAH made on 4th Oct 2018 12:33:24
I'm sure that you are right, Yodama - "sticks and stones" etc! 🙂
ColinM1
3rd Oct 2018 18:00:42 (Last activity: 3rd Oct 2018 23:05:35)
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Quote : “As you so rightly say Carole, TM has handled this in a courageous and dignified manner. Bet she was seething underneath though. There would not be enough money on this earth to persuade me to do her job. She seems to have developed a rod of iron for a backbone.”
Have you ever heard such rubbish in all the Brexit “debate “! Maggie May is the worst ever PM these sacred isles have ever had – worse even than the hopelessly politically blind Maggie Thatcher ! May and her right wing numpties stagger from crisis to crisis which is more than simple incompetence .
Scarcely a day goes past without another report of crisis .Relentless pressure on your English court system due to underfunding . Some 1 000 English head teachers in London have protested against the damaging impact of government cuts on their schools . The BMA reports NHS ENGLAND is now facing a yearlong crisis Official data shows that waiting times, bed shortages and ambulance queues have hit record levels .Prisons in England are over crowded. Birmingham jail has thankfully been removed from private ownership it was so bad .Homelessness has risen in England by 169 % since 2010 .78 000 people last year had to be found temporary accommodation with the introduction of Universal Credit . More than 1.3 million families in England are dependent on FOOD BANKS !! I could go on it is in all probability water of a duck’s back ! The days of prosperity through slavery and colonial exploitation are thankfully over – be realistic and remain in a Union of like and progressive people and throw the stupidly contrived Brexit in the bucket !
Response from CaroleAH made on 3rd Oct 2018 23:05:35
Yodama, you have taken the words right out of my mouth!
Colin, your bully-boy tactics more than qualify you for a place in the "Salzburg Gang".
ColinM1
3rd Oct 2018 15:27:26
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Sadly the right wing loonies in British politics do not listen to the wisdom of its superior intellects ! The recent analysis by economist Anton Muscatelli requires repeating . “ Very few economies operate as stand alone World Trade Organisation members and there has been no comparable experience of a member of a regional trade association or free trade area crashing out of that area without agreement . In my view , a hard Brexit would represent the most unhinged example of national self sabotage in living memory .
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30th Sep 2018 15:48:53 (Last activity: 1st Oct 2018 00:00:34)
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Response from CaroleAH made on 30th Sep 2018 21:45:58
Well said, Yodama. You have hit the nail bang on the head. It is obvious that all the "hissy fits" which the EU have been having, moving the goal posts each time we have attempted to negotiate with them, are indicative that we are more valuable to them than they are to us. The latest bully boy tactics in Salzburg show how desperate they are and Theresa May has responded with dignity and fortitude.
Response from CaroleAH made on 1st Oct 2018 00:00:34
Not ranting, Yodama 🙂 just stating the truth. My fear is that if TM is forced out and there's a general election we could end up in an even worse position with Jeremy Corbyn not only leading the country as a Russian satellite but bankrupting us with all his ill-thought out schemes. Nobody likes or enjoys austerity but as Mr Micawber said in David Copperfield "Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen shillings and six pence, result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds nought and six pence, result misery."
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