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I feel very disturbed the Prime Minister has not condemned Trump for his terrible handling of the George Floyd murder protests. Adolf Eichmann famously said about the world & the holocaust, they approved by their silence. So does Johnson approve?


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monzaV
5 days ago
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Donald Trump should have learned years ago better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than open it and remove all doubt. If Boris Johnson hasn't yet comdemned Trump it will no doubt because he is waiting for Dominic Cumming to tell him what to say.
Rogerws
7th Jul 2020 13:26:20
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It should be "All Lives" matter.
Racism won't change until all racists are prosecuted with the full force of the law and there is a change in the culture of society. Quite how that is achieved I'm not sure. It seems that the police in many countries are indoctrinated with an attitude of egotistical arrogance and any noncompliance by people triggers an over the top response from them which soon gets out of hand.
It's a very complicated subject but as I say the culture needs to change, not just about racism but sexism, abuse, religion, and the hostility shown by a lot of groups of people to one another. Could write much more but I will close by saying that we are where we are and we need to be much more tolerant of one another.
All the best
BluePiper
7th Jun 2020 15:48:33 (Last activity: 22nd Jun 2020 13:35:09)
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I am sure Johnson does not approve but I am equally mystified as to how Mr Floyd has become the cult figure he has given his fearsome history - he was hardly a shining light of humanity.
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Response from oldarse made on 22nd Jun 2020 13:35:09
So what are you saying, that because of his previous background it was ok for that racist police officer to murder him. I hope you are not anyone who has a position in law and order, if you are god help us all.
oldarse
21st Jun 2020 18:28:48 (Last activity: 21st Jun 2020 19:03:47)
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I am fed up of hearing white people saying black lives matter, I do however applaud the involvement by ordinaty folk in the demostrations that have been conducted around the country, what is needed now is for action not words by this I mean people who are famous such as sports people, actors, singers etc., if they are really sincere about fighting racism in this country and around the world they should make their voices heard by creating forums and the like instead of parrot phrasing. These people have a following and if their fans knew their views they might change people's attitudes and change will come (so instead of saying what they think is the popular slogan they need to act). There is someone else who should be using their voice and that is the queen she is after aII the head of the commonwealth which includes a number of African and Caribbean countries what a statement that would make if she stood up against racism, she should also aknowledge her own black ancestry instead of hiding it away (why is that ?) just think what a monumental change that could make. Things need to change and there are people who could bring it about.
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Llynfi Original Poster
12th Jun 2020 20:31:47
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It’s easy for white people to be dismissive of police brutality. As a young mother, my husband & l took some friends sightseeing in London. We were stopped and abused & terrorised by the police. My hard working doctor husband even had to prove the cat was his. He was Asian. It is true racism is not . confined to people of colour. I am Welsh & have been racially abused and certain people have been racially abusive & had people laugh at their remarks. A friends daughter nearly had a breakdown with her treatment & was told by HR when she complained, to develop a funny bone. But back to policeman, it’s unfortunate but all over the world l think the profession attracts a type, a bullying bigot
Lionel
8th Jun 2020 16:34:32
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Racism is an outrage against humanity. The fact that it is endemic across most of the world demonstrates just how short a distance humanity has travelled from its roots. Just as the poor are always with us, so is racism. Mercifully, in my opinion, it is less prevalent than in the last century.

Racist outrage is too often exacerbated by the media taking sides, fringe political groups needing to boost a problem and get media time and/or just plain hate-motivated thugs rowing in to get their jollies. Nothing is quite as clear cut as it is made to look.

Before we condemn America and Trump so freely let's recall Rwanda and genocide. In 1994 in the space of 100 days about 1 million people were killed because of their race. That's racism. What Trump and Johnson say publicly is neither here nor there. Their actions, or lack of, will always be a political expedient and not a demonstration of their true thoughts.

As with any upset like this we all have to live with the outcome.
Yodama
7th Jun 2020 18:17:15 (Last activity: 7th Jun 2020 21:59:02)
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Boris Johnson has voiced his opinion publicly, and is as shocked as anybody else. It is not for him to interfere in the internal affairs of how America treats this case. The police thugs have been arrested and charged. The infamous "chokehold" is banned...for how long, who knows?
There needs to be a drastic re-training of their police forces, teach them to be human maybe.

Racism is not confined to white on black, all around the world racism abounds, through colour and ethnicity and religion..
As a white woman, I have suffered extreme racism, to the point of death threats when living in Africa, just for the colour of my skin. It is rampant and blatant and unchecked. Does it make world news? No it doesn't! Our media certainly won't touch it.

What does disturb me greatly, is that police forces around the world have changed drastically.
In the UK, the friendly bobby who would give you the time of day, is today a faceless ( why are they allowed to use black masks to cover their faces if not to instill fear) militarised armed thug.

There are of course exceptions, some members of the police force are sincere and dedicated.
People have died from Taser use, yet the use of tasers has intensified.
Many die in police custody through dubious "questioning" methods, it is still happening!

The outpouring of anger over Floyd is not just for him, but for years upon years of police brutality allowed to go unchecked.
People ARE speaking out and in numbers around the world.

There will always be criminals but when police forces adopt attitudes of criminality to fight criminality, what are they then?
Response from Wilf made on 7th Jun 2020 20:59:44
Yodama, I do not think the British Police are "thugs" I know many and they are perfectly normal family men trying to do their best in very difficult circumstances which I think have got even worse with drugs and rampant crime.
Response from Yodama made on 7th Jun 2020 21:59:02 > @Wilf
I did say there were exceptions Wilf, and no, the majority of British police are not thugs.
I have two friends who are in the police, and who are dedicated men.
However, there are certain groups who seem to form cliques. as evidenced in the Floyd case in America..
Not so long ago in the UK, the "stop and search" law was amended for the same reason, abuse of power. Violence has been recorded too many times when people are arrested.
There will always be the rogue element in any force.
The film " The Experiment" was based on an actual experiment and had to be shut down due to emerging brutality.

There always was and always will be crime and drugs, police must not lose sight of their role in society as upstanding defenders of the law.
Valleyman
7th Jun 2020 21:21:36
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People should bear in mind the words of Martin Luther King, 'judge a man not by the colour of his skin, but by the content of his character.' If you're doing a socially distanced peaceful protest you're probably one of the good guys, if you're spitting in a policeman's face you're probably not.
Most disadvantaged group in Britain - white working class males. Highest suicide rate - white working class males. Our country is the most open and least racist in the world. Try being black in China!
Same people moaning about Dominic Cummings and his Durham trip now think mass demos in major cities are great. Hypocrites.
Just drop the black/white thing, it's irrelevant. Think in terms of individuals, it's more productive. Peace and love.

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