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Lionel
15th Nov 2016 22:58:16
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Yes, I was a teenager, just like you and everyone else on SS. I don't think anyone thought of us as special, just the next generation, people who would help our parents in their old age. I did.

But we were the first generation, as opposed to class, to have spare time and money to spend, money earned by paper rounds, milk rounds, or whatever, and later, employment.

We were the first generation to be 'aware,' of current events, the space race, Vietnam War, racial tensions, politics and the generation which took a broken, bombed out country, our country, and using every means possible, made this country great again. Of course, no one set out to make Britain great again, no, but by our efforts at self improvement, our industry and energy, our sheer enthusiasm for life and everything new. Some demonstrated against the Vietnam war (Idid at Grosvenor Square in '68), Some space enthusiasts sat up all night to watch Armstrong walk on the moon (I was busy with a girl that evening, it was a hormone thing) and a few just schlepped through life on the back of others.

We had our generation's music, the Beatles, Stones and supremely the protest songs of Paul Simon and Art Garfunkel. These latter gave voice to an increasingly 'aware' generation who were rejecting the status quo with the question, why cannot we have peace? Student protests in France brought down the aged warrior de Gaulle in '69.

We were not special, no, just the people of our times. People who saw an opportunity and took it, people who worked toward a goal and achieved it, people who rejected poverty and war, who took post war life by both hands and wrung every ounce of life from it.

Jeanmark, you asked, were we teenagers? Without usurping your question, may I very respectfully ask others, do you see yourself in your grandchildren; do they resemble you?
Response from jeanymay made on 16th Nov 2016 07:24:32
Oh I was definitely a teenager, and quite rebellious and sulky at times...then like a fool I married at 17 years old so I didn't have much time to enjoy any freedom.

I remember having several jobs lined up for when I left school at 15 ...there was no shortage of work. I think that because like others I was brought up with very little in the way of luxuries I appreciated how going out to work afforded me nice things and I still appreciate everything I have.

Lionel your post describes very well how things were.

As to my grandchildren well my daughters 2 children are encouraged to do jobs for the extras they want and do have paper rounds or Saturday jobs and they have 2 parents who teach them a strong work ethic, but they do also have a large amount spent on them at Christmas and birthdays. My son is separated from his daughters mother and unfortunately she gets everything handed on a plate and does not know how to do basic chores.

It's difficult to get the balance when raising children as you don't want them to stand out and be the ones with no fashionable clothes or the latest gadgets, but on the other hand you want to teach them that money for such things has to be worked hard for.

I feel sorry for the young ones of today though, because I think you have to go through hard times to fully enjoy the good. Also how on earth are they going to get onto the property ladder if their families can't give them a helping hand ?
Response from Yodama made on 16th Nov 2016 09:59:19
This was a lovely glimpse into your youth Lionel, so true for many teenagers in those times.
" who took post war life by both hands and wrung every ounce of life from it" is so descriptive of the way we were.
You ask do we see ourselves in our grandchildren?, the answer is a resounding "No". I would wish for the ability to go forward in time to see how the children of today meet their challenges.
No doubt the world will still turn and civilization will find new ways of dealing with life, but I feel I had the best of times.
Response from jeanmark made on 16th Nov 2016 14:44:29
Lionel, I think I was meaning why do we think teenagers are special? I'm getting tired of people saying "they are only 18" as an excuse for them not being able to do things. We managed so what has changed?

Jeanymay, I did't get a chance to be rebellious teenager as I started nursing as a cadet nurse at 16. I think I was a rebellious young nurse hitting out at ridiculous rules and regulations that had no reflection on caring for patients - well not in my opinion at that time!
Response from Lionel made on 16th Nov 2016 15:37:59
Jeanmark, surely the 'specialness' of teenagers has come about because children and young people are now entombed by protective legislation; shielded from personal responsibilities as well as responsibility toward other people.

As an example there is a Sixth Form College in a nearby quiet market town. (Whoever heard of them?). It sits well back off the road and there are steel barriers lining that side of the road. Never the less, there is a 20 mph speed restriction on that road with a camera wagon and sometimes a PCSO to enforce it. These youngsters climb over the barriers and cross the road, often stepping into the path of oncoming vehicles. If I were to knock over one of these little lovelies, and there's been many close shaves, I would be automatically guilty and prosecuted. Indeed, the parents could begin civil proceedings for damages as well. And that scenario has occurred twice to my certain knowledge.

Our generation has seen rafts of law foisted on us and our children designed to protect what are our grand children from every untoward eventuality in young life, including, for the most part, the possibility of getting a paper round.

This protectionist policy towards young people caused a problem here in Spring. Our fifteen year old grand daughter needed a placement on a work experience programme. She wanted to work with animals. Her school offered her a placement in Lynn, 65 miles from her home, a daily commute of 130 miles! My wife and I went around local small holdings, pet shops etc., and asked if they would offer her a place. Their reaction was one of fear, all but raising two crossed fingers at us. A pal who manages a country store and wood yard six miles away said he took work experience people every year ... but there were rules. No phones, no iPads, no smoking and she must be cleanly turned out every day. Eight in the morning to five in the evening. That's the deal, take it or leave it! I took it.

She worked with small animals, fish, chickens; worked in the wood yard and in the shop. The lads there, I know them all, ribbed her, teased and laughed with her. After a week she emerged as a more confident teenager, less concerned with self, and well able to answer scaffolders shouting the usual things at her.

All of which is a long winded way of saying they're only special because do-gooders succeeded in passing protective legislation. Perhaps let loose on life, to fend for themselves as we did, they would be better people.

As a foot note: my pal the store manager said of our grand daughter, she can't 'arf work, that one. Not frightened of getting her hands dirty, and she's a really nice girl too. I couldn't help a wry smile - her grand mother and I brought her up!
Response from jeanmark made on 16th Nov 2016 15:48:01
Well said Lionel and I have to agree. I am fortunate in having sensible nieces who have brought up children well able to cope with what life throws at them and with no fear of working hard or getting their hands dirty.
Response from Lionel made on 16th Nov 2016 16:02:28
Jeanmark, it is too easy to brand young people for their failings, their lack of responsibility. Here I'm not suggesting you're doing that, but it is very common indeed.

We are the generation responsible for their present condition; we didn't let forth howls of protest at child protection laws, mostly unnecessary legislation in my opinion. We just let it happen.

What you sow, so shall you reap. Yes, it's a Biblical epithet but so true in general life.
Response from Tomtwodogs made on 16th Nov 2016 17:39:29
I just added another thumbs up Lionel a well deserved post, and no my grandchild is nothing like me. , but like you commented we were .....of our time !
Response from Lionel made on 16th Nov 2016 17:41:49
Too right mate, a time never to be repeated.
Response from Tomtwodogs made on 16th Nov 2016 17:49:50
Aye and as Dylan said.... The times,.. they are a changing !
Response from Lionel made on 16th Nov 2016 19:24:14
Aye lad, and nowt's for tha' better!

But it's now their world; we have given them the tools to survive well. It's up to them now.
Lionel
16th Nov 2016 17:14:53
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Ladies, I thank you for giving my post a thumbs up! Thank you.

It serves to reassure me my view of my teenage years was not so far adrift, even if memory is dimming a little now.
Response from jeanymay made on 16th Nov 2016 17:31:34
Well deserved and enjoyable
Yodama
16th Nov 2016 09:04:14
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Being a teenager was just...... being......I never thought that my life was hard; it was just a case of doing what you had to do every day Cycling five miles in the bitter cold so that your hands froze to the handlebars was just treated as normal. When you had little, accepting all that was given happily. A banana or orange was a rare commodity, the taste intensified by the rarity.

Riding bicycles to see your friends cycling in a group to discover new places, strong leg muscles carrying you for miles. Having a childlike innocence and joy in the smallest of things. Conversations were simple there was no intrusive noise of televisions and cell phones, sitting on a hay bale just talking and laughing and teasing until dusk was enough. Helping farmers to gather their crops, potatoes, cabbages or bale carting hay, tough jobs for a few shillings.

But we considered it fun not a chore. Going to the pictures on special occasions and sitting transfixed at the size, colours and sounds on the screen. The sweetness and the agony of first love thinking you would die when it was over. Growing with your friends, who one by one drifted off in different directions, all promising to write to each other faithfully, each finding their place in society.

Developing a persona and trying to find compatible groups with which to merge. Wrestling with different thought processes trying to find a way. Knuckling down to discipline and study, fearful of not making it through. Becoming politically and socially aware, angry at the establishment, at wars and injustice.
Finding a new path and emerging as a rounded adult.
Response from jeanymay made on 16th Nov 2016 09:33:41
So beautifully described Littleminx. Oh and good morning to you.
Response from Yodama made on 16th Nov 2016 09:44:31
Good morning jeanmay, and thank you, I liked your account too, hard times were they not?
It is a lovely sunny morning, the tree outside is shedding its golden leaves and there is a gorgeous carpet of gold out there, hope no-one decides it is an untidy mess and sweeps it up.
I see you are back to normal now with your original hat. We had a wonderful silly spell, I do hope I live the rest of my days in complete silliness.
Response from jeanmark made on 16th Nov 2016 09:51:20
My thoughts exactly LittleMinx, we were not treated as special and just 'got on with it'.
Response from Yodama made on 16th Nov 2016 10:04:20
Good morning jeanmark, yes,we were tough cookies. I can't remember being miserable about anything unless of course it was boy trouble. Lovely thread you have started here.
I see someone gave Lionels account a thumbs down, scratching my head as to why.
Response from jeanymay made on 16th Nov 2016 10:07:52
Ah yes I thought I would revert to adding pics via my laptop, as you must all be fed up of laying down to view my recent ones. I can't keep up with your changing photo's however, as to silliness I find it more entertaining than silly, so please continue to be yourself.

Absolutely lashing it down here, but I agree the autumn colours are very beautiful.
Response from jeanymay made on 16th Nov 2016 10:10:57
You are very observant Littleminx I never noticed a thumbs down for Lionel, and wonder how someone could take offence regarding anything he said. I will give him a thumbs up !!
Response from jeanmark made on 16th Nov 2016 13:43:56
I have to agree, who could take offence at what Lionel writes. I've also given a things up!
Response from Yodama made on 16th Nov 2016 13:58:24
There's non so queer as folk!. You use thing as well, I call things thingy's. When I was at school one girl would shout to another, "hey thing", funny days.
Response from jeanmark made on 16th Nov 2016 14:36:51
Observant jeanymay, I hadn't noticed I written that instead of thumbs. I must admit to using the word 'thingy' more and more often and get irritated when my husband doesn't know what I mean! I then start saying 'whojamaflip', 'thingamabob' or 'whatchamacallit' as if that will make him understand better!
Response from jeanymay made on 16th Nov 2016 14:57:57
No I never noticed what you had put either Jean until Littleminx pointed it out..eyes like an hawk she has which was probably why she was a reporter
Response from Yodama made on 16th Nov 2016 15:26:50
You don't need to be a reporter to notice a big red blob on someones post jeanmay, must have something to do with the carrott smoothies,
Response from Yodama made on 16th Nov 2016 15:51:25
Must have been the proof reading habit to spot thing, I use thing a lot and did not think it odd.
Response from jeanymay made on 16th Nov 2016 16:37:55
Ha ha
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