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Do you believe it’s right to ban the sale of petrol and diesel cars?

The government has announced an initiative to ban all diesel and petrol vehicles by 2040 in a bid to cut pollution. 

Environment secretary Michael Gove has warned Britain “can’t carry on” using petrol and diesel cars because of the damage they are doing to people’s health and the environment as a result of pollution.

“There is no alternative to embracing new technology,” he said. Government ministers have identified 81 major roads in 17 towns and cities around the country that are in breach of EU emissions standards and putting people’s health at risk.

Moving away from petrol and diesel vehicles is only one piece of a larger puzzle – to cut emissions people will also be encouraged to ditch cars altogether in favour of public transport or greener transportation like walking and cycling. Congestion charges and road improvements to help the flow of traffic will also factor in.

While electric cars have been available for several years, most drivers still prefer to use petrol or diesel-powered engines for a number of reasons – including the cost of adopting electric cars and the lack of infrastructure to make them convenient.

While some drivers welcome the switch to electric cars, others aren’t so sure. Do you believe it’s best to switch to electric cars? Should the government have a say in what kind of car we drive? Do you already drive an electric car? Share your views on today’s Speakers Corner topic below. 

Is it right for petrol and diesel cars to be banned?

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Southerner
30th Dec 2018
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The best environmental car I've ever seen is Fred's in the Flintstones.
Catrina700
16th Mar 2018
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I like the idea of electric cars, less to go wrong than petrol or diesel vehicles, since half the parts are missing. The money from the loss of taxation on fuel they will recover one way or another, you can guarantee that

The problem of people not hearing them coming could be overcome by downloading our own tunes, rather like a mobile phone. The tunes being played as we drive along, that would drive us all mad.
Bobster69
29th Jan 2018
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you would only be shifting the emissions from cars/trucks to power stations to produce electricity for their replacements
iestynlad
22nd Nov 2017
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We have invested our money in 3 newish diesel vehicles and now suddenly all chan ge. Electric cars cause a lot of problems because they make no noise and run into vulnerable road users. I am a horse rider and dread the day me and my horse can no longer hear the traffic
viking
8th Nov 2017
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Suddenly the government? has gone quiet over this matter. Perhaps they have now thought things through and realised it is not quite as simple as it sounds.
So jeff I think you will be OK for the future in your new diesel car !!
jeffsoo
4th Nov 2017
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I am 67 years old and I will drive my new diesel car till it or I fall to pieces whichever occurs first.
viking
23rd Sep 2017
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Polution, polution, polution, thats what we keep hearing from the public and the academics. Surely everyone must realise that the government whatever colour is only interested in the petrol taxes that it obtains almost instantly from the retailers.There is no relief it has to be paid almost instantly into the coffers of the government.
Now polution as we all know is a real strain on the resorces of the NHS and eventualy kills people, but this is usually a long term situation where the costs involved are not totted up until the end of the financial year. This means that desperately required tax revenues are collected and dispersed into the ether[ not into the NHS by the way] and this way the government thinks that it is balancing the books. Once again short termism. No joined up thinking.
Darkstar
21st Sep 2017
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Funny how this country always jumps on the bandwagon to make money out of people. Now they want us all to buy new electric cars after telling us to buy diesel instead of petrol.
Yodama
1st Oct 2017
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We all know what happened to Will Smith's electric car in the movie " I Robot", mayhem on the roads if all the cars start to think.
AI is on the move!
Elon Musk is working on flying cars, Hmmmm! has he taken into account the human race? I think not.!

Where will they hang traffic lights from.....balloons?
I have a thousand questions.
viking
9th Sep 2017
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Load shedding would not be so much as a political result, it would be because all the electric vehicles in the country would have to"fill up" and knowing the public at large, this would happen at so called peak times just when you wanted hot water for your cup of tea.
Come on you politicians, do try to look further than the end of your noses, and really think about how many more wind farms will be required when petrol/diesel cars are banned!!!
Blackdan
8th Sep 2017
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So what will the Government do when they lose all the billons of revenue from the tax on petrol and diesels, what will it be added to? Not seen any information about how much it will cost to recharge your car each time. Just hope we don’t see lots of vehicles broken down as they have run out of power.
SannyFerrien
8th Sep 2017
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The same as they always do. We are currently paying over 60% of our fuel prices as tax. Are the roadsides full of poor people with empty tanks?

Of course they will find a system to tax it, and the poorest will not have cars, as now.

Let's just hope whatever government that's in charge will recognise pollution, and climate effects, and put its money where its mouth is by improving public transport.
viking
8th Sep 2017
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Its all very well talking about what advances there MIGHT be in renewable energy. All goverments that we have had recently seem to suffer from a lack of joined up thinking, the usual scenario is waiting until it is too late, then trying to make an effort to catch up, stable door and horses springs to mind.So advances in renewable energy would have to be left too late as usual.
Obviously Sanny is not old enough to remember "load shedding" and the misery and dangers that it causes.
Sure it would be utopia if we all changed over to electric vehicles, but please think it through in the light of who governs us all to-day.
SannyFerrien
8th Sep 2017
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What load-shedding? The 1973/4 three-day week, imposed by the Tory government because of the shortfall in coal-fired electricity generation caused by the miners' strikes, caused by the government's refusal to keep their wages up with inflation?

That's the only significant one I remember, and it was caused by ideological politics, not by unforeseen demand,

The only lesson I draw from it is to vote for a party that believes in society, for councillors who will stand up for the environment. To see change for the better, we need to speak out to achieve it, not bury our heads in the sand because we don't like the growing desert around us, hoping it will go away.

Tens of thousands of early deaths in the UK are attributed to air pollution, and asthma alone costs our health service a billion pounds annually.
SannyFerrien
7th Sep 2017
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I'm dismayed at the high percentage of resistance to what is, in my view, a life-saving, life-enhancing, necessity.

Firstly, let's get some perspective on it. New sales are not banned until 2040 so we are looking at a transition of thirty or more years; talk of being compensated for having to change is pointless, as is a fear of suddenly draining our electricity production capacity. Who knows what advances there might be in renewable energy, and means of storing it, before then?

Secondly, a good few posts have included thoughtful comments on parallel issues which could all help to improve matters, such as effective public transport, or development of hydrogen cells. Let's just hope that successive governments will have the foresight and will to push ahead. Everything possible needs to be done to reduce burning of fossil fuels; living in cleaner air can be a win/win effect.
DavidH83
7th Sep 2017
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How will they produce the electricty what kind of CARBON foot print will that cause (petrol/diesel engined cars amount of polution caused minimal to the output of power stations coal /bio do create CO2) sois there any answer could going back to Horse drawn vehicles be better but even then horses have to break wind it is a never ending story !
nanabet48
8th Sep 2017
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I watched a news item a few months ago when this subject was first brought up, which said that solar panels and wind turbines would produce a lot of the electricity needed. It would be fed into the grid (as it is now) and this would help with recharging vehicles etc.

There is a huge amount of work required to install charging points at homes, parking places and various places in streets. Also, if wagons have to become electric, will they take longer to deliver goods as they will not be able to do the mileage they do now before having to recharge. If it takes longer to deliver the productivity of the driver/wagon drops and prices go up.
DeborahR6
7th Sep 2017
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With all due respect I think it is probably too late as the damage has been done. Cars have been on our roads now for over a hundred years or more! I also don't think that all those lovely chaps that have spent all their hard earned money and time doing up really old cars will be impressed if they are then told they cannot take them out for their yearly spin!
viking
6th Sep 2017
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If the population were to convert to electric [ even say 40% ] then the amount of extra electricity that would be required would bring down the grid system in this country.
All the do godders will say -oh well it will be worth it !! But just think the population could no longer rely on a constant electricity supply.
Come on politicians- wake up ! Use some joined up thinking for a change.
SovereignInventory
6th Sep 2017
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The Govt are going down the wrong road with the emphasis on electric vehicles - nothing new there! They should be investing in the infrastructure and use of hydrogen fuel cells, enabling the continued use of internal combustion engines emitting very little harmful emissions and is also an abundant fuel supply. How is the electricity and manufacture of all the new vehicles going to be managed, by using fossil fuels?
Lionel
5th Sep 2017
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The internal combustion engine has given us the freedom to travel where we will, whenever we will, and at a relatively small cost.

Removing the internal combustion engined vehicles we're so accustomed to and replacing them with less capable, and likely much more expensive, means of transport will result in deep, long lasting, societal changes.

I grew up in a small West Norfolk village. It had a grocer's shop, butcher's shop, carpenters shop, a blacksmith and a saddlery. These people served the local estates, as well as village people. We didn't need to travel far, it was all there for us. At that time there were two cars in the village, one a taxi run by the owners of a pub and the other, well, that chap flaunted the money he'd made. But the point is we didn't need to travel.

Today, I've moved to Suffolk. The nearest supermarket is 13 miles away. The last bus came through this village 45 years ago. An ambulance from the nearest hospital takes an hour and a half to get here.

It's all very well people saying let's banish cars because of pollution but so far there isn't an alternative to the little local shops which were long ago closed down in favour of distant supermarkets. City wide transport can't cope with demand now, so what will it do when cars are restricted?

This is more than a pollution issue, it's a nationwide societal matter which hasn't yet been discussed. This is likely to be the great divide between rural and urban living, the watershed the state has long wanted. Denude the rural areas and people the cities - they're so much easier to control.

It seems to me we're being duped by politicians and the climate change brigade. But let it be said here, if we put less CO2 in the atmosphere then farm crops will fail and city shops will have far less to sell.

Some of this clamour is a lie. The current solution is ill thought out.

It you and I who'll pay the price for this short term thinking, not the politicians or so called scientists.
Bigjohn
4th Sep 2017
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There is only aproximately 50yrs of oil reserves underground, so banning petrol and diesel in 40yrs time is an indication of oil running out, also less aircraft in the air as they consume a lot of of fuel produced by oil. People forget that there is only so much in the ground and it has to run out eventually. Consider coal when that was available but now is running out. I won't be around in 40 yrs time as I am 69 yrs of age. So good luck to all the youngsters here.
DavidR7
4th Sep 2017
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It's natural evolution when they tried to get people to user LPG it didn't work because there wasn't the infrastructure or the demand
Samslug
4th Sep 2017
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I as a disabled person cannot afford a new car and as I am on pip goodness know how I will be able to afford it.
How are people going to charge electric cars if they live in high rise flats or what about the amount of cables across pavements (that should be an interesting experience for wheelchair and those with pushchair.
Electric vehicles do not have the range I require as my family is 170 miles away about 4 hrs by petrol or diesel but by electric!
Hybrid cars are the future no all electric.
To build batteries it's necessary to destroy large area of the planet.
Not all parts of electric cars are recyclable and this means pollution in disposal.
PinkLizard
4th Sep 2017
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When electric cars are at a price that is reachable by the average person and also when there is a suitable infrastructure to support them it might be possible to make the changeover!
TheOldCodger
4th Sep 2017
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I could use an electric car for local journeys, but the nightmare of driving 500+ miles on holiday would be intolerable. Sometimes it can be hard enough to find a petrol station but having to recharge a car every few miles would be impossible.

Also, I have a parking slot outside my house, but to find mains electricity to charge it at home I would need a long extension trailing across a public grassed area and a footpath. Not exactly convenient.
TheOldCodger
4th Sep 2017
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Why penalise the home user again?
Most Diesel users are busses and the stinking lorries that choke our roads. The should sort them out first . Its the ususal way of Government : punish the poor commuter and let big business get away with poluting our cities & towns.
BrianC47
4th Sep 2017
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I possibly won't be around when this happens, but I would just like to say. Are the government prepared to swap Diesel and Petrol cars for the people who have them and can't afford to swap or are they just going to stop them driving all together? I JUST WONDER!
chris goodwin
4th Sep 2017
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Its fair enough for people in cities to use electric cars, but out here, 6 miles from the nearest market town (with filling station) we don't even have a drive...so where are we supposed to plug the car in? We also don't have a bus service or shops, but if you do your shopping sensibly and get enough rations for the whole week that's not an issue! Govt. need to realise its not us bumpkins causing the problem...we have enough of our own!
thefilthycripple
4th Sep 2017
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This is another madcap scheme dreamed up by the supremely arrogant Michael Gove . The infrastructure costs are horrendous .How will a person in a high rise charge their car battery ? What they should do is remove all cycle lanes ,,London traffic is close to a standstill because of cycle lanes that are empty 20/24 hours
ceb
4th Sep 2017
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It's no good banning something until there is a suitable alternative.
Sure - I think electric cars are the way forward, but the infrastructure needs to be in place first & it's got a long way to go yet !
Wilf
4th Sep 2017
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This will happen as the technology will advance so fast. There will be much better batteries-cars will be able to recharge as they are moving-Solar power will provide even more power. This is technology moving forward. Sure most of us will try to resist and moan but you cannot resist the power of technology. Twelve years ago none of us had iphones or an ipad or had ever hear of apps!...In 20 years we will all be used to electric cars. Volvo have said they will produce 1 million per year in a few years time. Others will follow. i am sure we will not believe what stinking contraptions cars were by 2050!...not that I will be around but it will be a better world for my grand children and their kids that's for sure.
AndyR4
4th Sep 2017
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The technology and infrastructure will be in place, there won't be much difference other than thousands fewer will die of respiratory disease
Wilf
4th Sep 2017
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I totally agree. I am surprise that not everyone is supporting it? Who wants to breath choking car fumes all day?
RitaM6
4th Sep 2017
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We have the right to use what type of fuel we like this is England and we are free country if I wanted to be told what vehicle I had to use maybe I should move to somewhere like Korea
AndyR4
4th Sep 2017
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To compare a public health measure that will save hundreds of thousands of lives to North Korea is an insult to those who do really suffer under despotic regimes.
DerekA
4th Sep 2017
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Nothing, but nothing goods wise moves on this planet without the use of a diesel engine somewhere along the line! Not gonna change anytime soon....
JudyW3
4th Sep 2017
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Living in rural area electric cars would be impossible to charge and we wouldn't be able to go far even if we could charge them
DavidE2
4th Sep 2017
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Not until electric cars are the same price, or cheaper, than petrol and diesel. There also needs to be a massive investment in a supporting infrastructure. They will never replace diesel for vehicles that need to work off road.
JulieC39
4th Sep 2017
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Traffic lights cause more pollution
AndyR4
4th Sep 2017
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JulieC39
4th Sep 2017
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I believe they do.....
Harrio
4th Sep 2017
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Not practical right now - needs more thought and planning. Improve the reliability and suitability of public transport for a start.
NSMIK01
4th Sep 2017
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Technology is not nearly advanced enough for such a sweeping statement. There is not enough infrastructure facilities to cope which such a sweeping statement. The costs of the vehicles must come down to an acceptable price.
Also the rest of the world must do the same or where will you drive to outside of the UK central areas.
BaW
4th Sep 2017
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Save us from 'right on' politicians. This is akin to banning the use of incandescent light bulbs...supposedly better for the environment, but certainly better for the bank balances of manufacturers such as Tesla.
There would need to be immense and immediate investment in infrastructure to enable long distance travel...not only for refuelling electric vehicles...but also for our already overstretched public transport.
What about other causes of air pollution...is air travel to be banned? Cattle farming? Manufacturing?
The UK is not one of the worst polluters, so this is yet again an attempt to pretend we are a world leader. We would do better to invest in becoming an actual world leader in the necessary technology, and then implement the change, rather than jumping headlong into an unplanned and currently unobtainable target.
rungless
4th Sep 2017
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Who is going to supply all this extra electricity needed to charge these cars?
JanisT5
4th Sep 2017
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How can they ban petrol and diesel cars etc. When they have pulled the plug on railway electrification? There are more lorries on the road than ever. Get the priorities right!
Yodama
4th Sep 2017
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Very good point JanisT5
hsgrewar
4th Sep 2017
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I cannot see the government providing sufficient charging stations. Better ways of spending government money e.g. providing affordable housing - the council housing stock urgently needs massive investment. What about the massive pollution damage from countries like China?
Yodama
3rd Sep 2017
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In another 12 years or so, the Terrafugua TF-X may be completed.
A flying car, just needs some tweaks for the eventual roll out.
Wish I was 20 again.
Yodama
3rd Sep 2017
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Yodama
2nd Sep 2017
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So... are there such things as Hydrogen cars? Are they a myth and are they the answer?
What about magnetic cars, magnetise the roads. Where are all the boffins hiding?
Could be a problem if you are wearing piercings!
RogerO
30th Aug 2017
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I think all electric cars should have a small petrol motor to use for an emergency back up, e.g.. if you use your house mains electricity to charge the battery overnight what would you and all your neighbours do if the electric supply went down for a day or two. Also if all vehicles were driven by the computers a rogue hacker could break in an cause more damage and deaths than mr Trumps A-Bombs.
Lionel
30th Aug 2017
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Excellent points which show just how impractical this latest nightmare from Whitehall really is.
[deleted]
29th Aug 2017
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Lionel
29th Aug 2017
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i couldn't agree more as we're in precisely that place: struggling with state sponsored inadequacies. Twice two weeks ago I needed to get my wife to hospital urgently - she has MS and complications. The nearest A & E is thirty miles away; an ambulance takes at least one and a half hours to get here. Often it's longer.

Given I'm a well trained defensive driver it took me forty minutes! Within an hour she was being attended to by some superb medics.

Yes, I see a state sponsored plan over many years to denude rural areas of all but well heeled retirees, expendable people. We're not well heeled but are adequately provided for, and, have seen some light.
[deleted]
28th Aug 2017
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Lionel
29th Aug 2017
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Whilst I agree in principle with encouraging businesses to set up in rural areas, modern enterprise requires several things we just don't have. They require high speed broadband, for example. This morning my download speed is 1mb! They require consistent power supplies. We've had 13 power cuts so far this year.

Then there's the matter of labour. There's a bigger pool of labour in cities to choose from. And much of it will be younger than the folk around here. Younger folk prefer their urban bubble and the wide open spaces here could discommode the poor little Bunnies.

Public transport? We don't have any. We need a car to reach the bus stop six miles away and then it's two hours ride and a change of bus to the nearest city 30 miles away. The diesel used on a round trip is less than half the price of a single ticket.

I'm convinced of a deliberate movement of the State to de-populate rural areas, first by de-skilling the labour force, then restricting public services, although on paper we have the same as a city.
Darkstar
28th Aug 2017
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Have been looking to change my car for a cleaner fuel such as electric. The choice is very limited and distance covered is a very short range. Think i will stick with what i have at the moment for comfort, fuel economy and range.
Yodama
26th Aug 2017
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By 2040 or 2080 as previously opined, fossil fuel guzzling cars will eventually be phased out.
Presently in 2017, we are prisoners, forced to take a "Hobson's choice," fluctuating between petrol and diesel on the advice of so called Guru's of commerce and industry.

We are being offered Electric cars, a nice idea but they can only travel 100-300miles on one charge. Charging points are getting better but still not good enough. It takes longer to charge your battery if you are in a hurry. They are also a little too costly at present.

I have two cars, one petrol and one diesel.
If the government wants to recompense me for the loss of my cars, I would gladly buy a more eco friendly alternative.
Perhaps by 2080 we will have our own spaceships using free energy from the cosmos.
Wonder if they come in fire engine red?
ecarg
25th Aug 2017
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Electric cars yes,driver less cars no,The thought of all these electric motors moving silently controlled by an invisible being is quite scary.It certainly sounds space age but fortunately it won't happen entirely in my life time.
In the here are now I would like to see more car sharing schemes introduced how often do we see only the driver in the car,especially staff travelling to the same place of work.
Public transport well that's another nightmare altogether.
Pam1960
25th Aug 2017
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Move forward with electric vehicles as soon as possible. Why would anyone want to live with such pollution is beyond me. I remember living in London 2 streets away from a main road. This was about 35 years ago and at the time I had net curtains and there were sash windows in the flat. Within two days of having the windows open there would be a black line on the curtains. I moved to Nottingham where the aur is supposedly cleaner. When I was trying to stop smoking 10 years ago I had a carbon monoxide test. Even though I hadnt been smoking the count was still high as I had walked along the main road before having the test done. This was in a small town not the city. More children suffer from asthma than ever before. I applaud the Government for making this decision
mrgrumpy
25th Aug 2017
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Here we go again another initiative which, whilst full of good intent, will stutter along and suffer from inefficient planning, lack of funding and opposition from vested interests.
We have, I believe some, 30,000,000 vehicles presently on our roads and heaven knows how many there will be by 2040. Every vehicle will require a charging point and it will be necessary to generate sufficient electricity over and above present supplies to enable the new generation vehicles to be "fed".
I believe the present maximum mileage between charges for an electric powered vehicle is 120/150 miles, much less than a tank of fossil fuel.
Will the infrastructure be in place to cope with the extra demand for power, I have my doubts.
It will definitely require drastic reallocation of funds or borrowing on a scale as yet uncontemplated.
I have no wish to to put a negative spin on this laudable ambition but, having lived some four score years I am unable to recall a time when our country was less organised and in no position to achieve this goal, in addition to HSR2, within the time scale envisaged..
The only way we may get there is by the development of "hydrogen" powered motors but these have yet to be produced at anything like an affordable cost for the average family.
By all means look to ways to mitigate pollution and look after the blue planet but keep targets achievable to retain credibility.
It is unlikely that I will be around in 2040 but all I can say, looking back, is that 1994 doesn't seem that long ago to me.
Maybe the appropriate technology will progress at a comparable rate to that of the communications industry since 1994 but that could be wishful thinking.
Finally it may be necessary to provide artificial engine noise for these otherwise silent vehicles otherwise with everyone walking around concentrating on their smart phones we could see a frightening increase in pedestrian related accidents. Does anybody remember electric trolley buses ? That of course was a different world as will the future no doubt will turn out to be.
Wilf
25th Aug 2017
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Yes definitely. They are products of the 20th Century. they pollute our atmosphere, harm peoples lungs and make cities unpleasant. Why would we not want to move ahead and develop non polluting cars? I cannot think of one good reason. For once the government has been sensible. They just need to get a move on and get it done asap.
Lionel
25th Aug 2017
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I applaud the idea Wilf. Too well do I remember the Pea Soupers in late '50's London and the effect on my chest. However ...

Besides the well published problems of charging points, charge times etc., which I'm sure science will overcome, there's the question of where is all this electricity coming from? Yesterday, a UK Power Networks engineer told me there's just a 2% margin between supply and demand at peak times. If we could generate sufficient for vast numbers of these cars, he tells me much of the infra structure is so old it wouldn't stand much more additional load. That's why we've had 13 power cuts this year so far, one of which lasted 30 hours.

Before we consider electric heavy haulage as well as cars the entire nation grid will need replacing in very short order. That alone would make the present National Debt like a pimple on a baboon's bottom. Plus so very many more nuclear power stations - turbines and solar panels are unreliable in output.

The latest Euro 6 diesel engines fitted to trucks are much, much cleaner than older diesels. And they're much more efficient. Added to which there are devices on the market now which reduce emissions by 80% and give a 20% improvement in fuel consumption. They work by electrolysis but car and truck manufacturers are rather tardy in fitting them as standard, so they're all after market. It may be further developments in engine technology will both keep the nation moving and clean our air somewhat.

It's a half way house but at least it's affordable now.

I think Mr Gove's claim I.C. engines will be banned in 2040 is a little optimistic. It's a politically convenient knee jerk reaction without much of a foundation in reality.
Sparkle45
25th Aug 2017
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I can remember the pea soupers too ... not funny

Well I can drive but did not pass my test or was not mean't to which makes more sense so I will never know the dependance on cars for independance .... I have had to manage anyway either way.

Gradually we are moving towards the once imagined space age predictions which we read about in books and watched on film ... electric cars and lorries ... because of major cities and countries round the world the pollution figures are mind blowing .... I doubt the world will move forward with us so what happens then ... methinks chaos
Lionel
25th Aug 2017
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Sparkle, we could manage life without a car. The nearest bus is six miles away; the nearest pint of milk the same. The last bus to pass through this hamlet was 45 years ago!

Now, I'm gonna be very unpopular here. If you want all the benefits of city living, and I'm told compared to rural life I've lived there are many, then pea supers, congestion, pollution etc., come with that choice.

Me, I lived in Central London for 10 years as a teenager. Not somewhere I ever wanted to live. As soon as I could I got out and went farm working. Fresh air, home grown food and a life as God intended for us. It's served me, and now my second wife, well over the years.
Sparkle45
25th Aug 2017
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I live in the country ... a small town in south Warwickshire ... I left the big city when I married as I moved to USA for 3yrs then when I returned I came to this county and this small town ... it suits me I have no desire to live in the city ... nor ever will ... I am country girl and I grow my veg and fruit.
Life is so much better in the rural way of life ... I can vouch for that

Lionel you quote why people have cars and I accept that it just did not go right for me ... I know how cars can rule your life my mother 95 drove till a few months ago I know how she felt ... and how my friends feel.

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contain any material which is defamatory of any person; or contain any material which is obscene, offensive, hateful or inflammatory; or promote sexually explicit material; or promote violence; promote discrimination based on race, sex, religion, nationality, disability, sexual orientation or age; or infringe any copyright, database right or trade mark of any other person; or be likely to deceive any person; or be made in breach of any legal duty owed to a third party, such as a contractual duty or a duty of confidence; or promote any illegal activity; or be threatening, abuse or invade another’s privacy, or cause annoyance, inconvenience or needless anxiety; or be likely to harass, upset, embarrass, alarm or annoy any other person; or be used to impersonate any person, or to misrepresent your identity or affiliation with any person; or give the impression that they emanate from us, if this is not the case; or advocate, promote or assist any unlawful act such as (by way of example only) copyright infringement or computer misuse.

Nurturing a safe environment

Our Silversurfers community is designed to foster friendships, based on trust, honesty, integrity and loyalty and is underpinned by these values.

We don't tolerate swearing, and reserve the right to remove any posts which we feel may offend others... let's keep it friendly!