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Should all stores introduce gender neutral changing rooms?

Topshop has abolished gender-specific changing rooms after receiving complaints from transgender customers.

A spokesperson for Topshop has confirmed that their changing rooms are now gender-neutral spaces.

“All Topshop and Topman customers are free to use any of the fitting rooms located within our stores,” they told Mail Online. The communication from Arcadia read: ‘As part of our commitment to equal opportunities and non-discrimination, we felt our policy needed updating.’

However, not everyone agreed with the change of policy with one raising concerns that it could make Topshop’s target market – teenage girls – feel uncomfortable.

Urban Outfitters has managed to successfully implement a gender neutral changing room policy

Urban Outfitters has managed to implement the gender neutral changing policy, so the next question is … how many other stores will follow?

What are your views? Is this the way forward in our ever-changing world? Would you be happy to share changing rooms with one and all? Would this make you feel uncomfortable when trying on clothes or is this a practical solution? Do you think other clothing stores should follow suit?

Do you think all stores should introduce gender neutral changing rooms?

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SueC62
14th Nov 2017
1
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I've no issue with gender neutral changing rooms. The changing room should have at least one attendant at all times. The individual cubicles should have lockable doors and a call button so an assistant can be summoned if necessary - many stores already are like this. If that was the case, there would be no issue, fully clothed (one hopes) people would be passing others to get to their private changing cubicle.

As for gender neutral toilets, I've been in a nightclub where this was the case, except there was an additional, small urinal room, I think it even had a small but open area behind the wash bowls where anyone could comb their hair, apply lipstick etc. Back in the day, many night clubs had that anyway and some decent hotels and restaurants still do.
jeanmark
12th Nov 2017
1
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Considering some of the comments on this topic, I'm not sure I will ever come to terms with the judgemental and intolerant views of a few people. There are a number of comments that appear to totally misunderstand the term 'transgender', implying that these human beings are all deviants who have nothing better to do than 'spy' on 'decent' people. I would suggest that all they want is to be the same as everyone else, that is to be accepted and loved for who they are.
CarolynL1
12th Nov 2017
0
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I have nothing against transgender, lesbians, gay people, but this is not about them. I would be very concerned about individuals who could use the opportunity to assault or otherwise young women (or even men for that matter). There are peeping toms, perverts and paedophiles out there, of all sexes, and allowing mixed changing rooms could be very upsetting and even dangerous to vulnerable customers. Just because some of us are against mixed changing rooms does not mean we are all homophobic or whatever. I am just concerned that personal safety is lost in the push for political correctness.
jeanmark
13th Nov 2017
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I can understand your concerns but I believe personal safety is an issue whether changing rooms are mixed or not. However, I also understand if there are concerns about locked cubicles as these can also make people vulnerable. My point was more about comments made about transgender people that appeared to deviate from the original discussion.There have always been peeping toms etc. even when there are single sex changing rooms. I'm not sure having separate unisex cubicles would increase this problem.

If changing rooms were always 'manned' that could be a means of ensuring everyones safety, but they are frequently left unattended because of staffing issues.
KaronP
11th Nov 2017
1
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Not a good idea
Let’s have a little respect here
As an older person I like to change in private thank you
It’s bad enough sharing hospital ward no dignity
scandiman
11th Nov 2017
3
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This is opening up a whole load of problems. Peeping toms? Hank panky of all sorts. I’m sorry, but anyone Transgender, neutral or anything else has just got to respect the needs of the majority. I know I’m going to get a lot of stick for this, but I’m sick of this endless pandering to minority needs. I am left-handed in a mostly right-handed world, which sometimes causes minor difficulties, but I just get on with it. Life ain’t fair, deal with it.
Lionel
11th Nov 2017
2
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You won't get any stick from me. I entirely agree with you.

History records in Germany between the Wars, a minority of extreme left wingers battered and beat the more moderate people into submission and thus we got Nazism and World War. I'm sorry to say the end of that story is not yet written.

Nor is the end of all this sexual mixup nonsense written. But if it goes on much longer deviancy could become mandatory.
Pam1960
10th Nov 2017
1
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There seems to be a lot of hang ups about opposite genders seeing people partly clothed. I disagree that swimwear is different. It is not the clothing that makes a difference it is a person's mindset. Why is it ok to lie on a sunbed dressed in a bikini next to a stranger when it is deemed to be more upsetting to change outer clothes behind a curtain. Whether it is changing rooms or toilets you either use them or you dont
Hillyj
10th Nov 2017
1
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I cannot think of anything more disturbing,
KayM5
10th Nov 2017
4
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I would not want my 14 year old dsughtet going into a changing room with adult or young men
Where is this all going to end
Its beyond ridiculous
PamB66
10th Nov 2017
2
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I feel strongly that if the stores are going to go down this route then they need to upgrade the cubicles with a full (not thesilly ones that only cover the middle of the gap) and lockable door. A flimsy curtain is not sufficient enough for my liking. This has always been my preference even in single sex changing rooms.
chriswelch
10th Nov 2017
4
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We are going down the wrong road here, I for one will give any store, business, company a miss. You can be anything you want, just don't impose your wants on others
Lionel
11th Nov 2017
0
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Well said Chris. I entirely agree with you.
Pam1960
10th Nov 2017
0
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I agree with Yodama. I can't see an issue as long as the cubicles are secure. Does it matter if someone sees us in our underwear there is no difference to being seen in swimwear. For those that don't like gender neutral changing rooms they could always try them on at home and return them if they dontblike them, the same as purchasing online
Hillyj
10th Nov 2017
3
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As a woman, I am appalled by this comment, it is indecent to think there is nothing wrong with all and sundry seeing people in their underwear and of course it's different to swimwear.
Lionel
11th Nov 2017
3
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Yes, Hillyj, it is completely different. Choosing to expose one's body in swimwear on a beach is a choice! Having people, mostly of an unsavoury variety, peering and leering in store changing rooms is utterly different.

Further, what takes place between a man and a woman in private is one thing, a consenting thing; but peeping toms, lechers and leerers taking advantage in a public changing room is utterly different.

We're heading up the wrong road here.
Yodama
9th Nov 2017
2
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As long as the cubicles are secure and the curtains fit properly, I don't have a problem with it.
I remember being in a mixed ward hospital . men and women sharing a space toilets and showers.

If there were transgender people using the same space I did not notice nor would I have been perturbed by it.
Lynnette
9th Nov 2017
8
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I have no objection to transgender people but they are very much in the minority and the rest of us need to be taken into account.
linj
9th Nov 2017
3
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I agree with what you have said Lynnette. Unfortunately with all this political correctness we are supposed to observe and it’s seems to changing daily, I think before long it will be the rest of us that are in the minority.
jeanmark
10th Nov 2017
0
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Well linj, I don't think wanting to be recognised as a human being is about political correctness. Neither do I think we should assume all transgender people were asking for changes. I think it is more about a store giving an impression that they support all their customers in order to get more sales.

If they were asking us all to strip in the middle of the store, well that would be different. As it is, surely it will be no different to present arrangements with all have individual cubicles.

I fail to understand why some people assume everyone will want to see them in their underwear. Why do people appear to imply transgender people may attack them if there was shared cubicle space?
Helen Highwater
9th Nov 2017
13
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This, along with gender-neutral loos, is taking political correctness to ridiculous levels. By all means introduce a non-gender-specific changing room or loo, but for heaven's sake provide appropriate areas for those of us who feel deeply uncomfortable sharing such facilities with different sexes.
Lionel
9th Nov 2017
4
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I've written this before on Surfers.

In the early 70's I was employed in the London Wine trade. My company sent me to the Loire, I think, and returning stopped off in Paris in a sleazy hotel on Montmartre.

On rising from sleep gravity took effect and a toilet was necessary. To my shock the very small room contained a wooden board with two holes in it. I was occupying one when a girl, maybe younger than me, came in, removed her clothing and sat beside me. 'Bonjour Monsieur.' No it was not shaping up into good day!

Having done what she needed, she casually pulled up her clothing and bidding me au revoir, departed.

The entire encounter was deeply embarrassing, although interesting. But ever since I've held the conviction the two genders come together at a mutually appropriate time.

The thought of sharing a dressing room with something other than the opposite gender is beyond my ken.

This is another case where we should have looked to the old ways to inform the new!
ChristineC39
9th Nov 2017
1
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Why not,Who will it hurt. Nobody else will see anybody else anyway curtains or a door would prevent that. Only thing is I'm sure they used to be called unisex.
KayM5
10th Nov 2017
2
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Most young girls come out of cubicles to show their friends and walk around
In todays world whi knows what type of men will be using tbis just to watch very young girls undress
Why why why are we pandering to the minority
viking
9th Nov 2017
4
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Is it the PC's who are behind this sudden rash? Maybe its the gays who have joined forces with the trans.
Last week while in Spain the cubicles were open to all comers in one of their high street chains.
However if I were a "usual" woman, I think I would be very uncomfortable stripping off next to a cubicle containing ???????
Lionel
9th Nov 2017
4
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Well said, Viking. There's a time and place for the two genders to come together, and even then in private. Not in a changing room.

Yes, there are just two genders, no more.
ChristineC39
9th Nov 2017
0
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How would you know?
Lionel
11th Nov 2017
1
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My Bible tells me so! That's plenty good enough for me.
Alicia
9th Nov 2017
4
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No and I would not use them if they did.
AnneF72
9th Nov 2017
7
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I certainly won’t be trying on any clothes in a transgender changing room.
Alicia
9th Nov 2017
4
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MichelleP8
9th Nov 2017
4
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Only if a lockable door, not a curtain. Too much of a temptation for others to peer in. But feel it should have been put to a referendum!
shedbrewer
9th Nov 2017
6
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Sorry, but in my book, there are but two genders, MALE & FEMALE
Lionel
9th Nov 2017
3
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Yes, you're quite right. And they shouldn't be mingling, shall we say, in a changing room.
Lionel
11th Nov 2017
1
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Yes, brewer, you are correct. Time and disease will prove us right.
DianneC5
9th Nov 2017
6
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So is it fine for a 40 year old man, or older, to be stripping off in a cubicle next to a young girl!!
Lionel
11th Nov 2017
1
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Of course it's not fine. Even as a 60-odd year old man I would not do that. We're talking here common decency which is seemingly being breeched.
Jo Kingham
9th Nov 2017
8
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I don't agree with this. The trouble is there are only curtains and as such I would be uncomfortable with my teenager getting changed and potentially have a man walk in on her by accident. Keep them separate!
Billythequiche
9th Nov 2017
10
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Am I alone in feeling embarrassed at the thought of accidently walking in on a lady in her underwear or being viewed in my pants(not a pretty sight)? I know I am getting old, but I even feel uneasy using unisex toilets in places like Costa.
I agree that minorities have rights, but what about our rights? Everyone has the right to live as they wish but that that isn't the right to rub it in our noses as if it is a badge of honour.
Enjoy life as you wish, but allow others the same privilege.
Lionel
11th Nov 2017
1
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Yes Billy, these people live under the same social rights as anyone else. But to so pursue social change by media blackmail ... is that included in our rights?

I wonder.
susannewton
9th Nov 2017
1
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Transgender people are just that "people" if thy have changed from one gender to another, it isn't done on a whim, they have to live for two years has that gender before they even get to see anyone at the transgender clinic , it is a very long process.
Do people actually think anyone would go down this very bumpy road for fun or to be
"Different " ??
If you have been born in the wrong body , do you then always have to pretend , just to please others who don't understand what you go through everyday?
Let us become a world of people just happy to lead our own lives , and not condemn others for being different.
If you are lucky enough to have been born perfect, I think it is you that is in the minority, this world and all the people in it are different to the next person, why should that matter to anyone,
Transgender doesn't mean anything other than gender change , so why would a female want to go into a male changing room or toilet and why would a male want to going into a female changing room or toilet ? You wouldn't so why should they .
It is about time we were all referred to has people first and gender second,
on the continent there are only one set of toilets for both genders , maybe we should take a leaf out of their book .
Lionel
11th Nov 2017
1
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You plead for trans-gender people. Don't they make enough air time for themselves?

And .. I'm well aware it's possible to snip, tuck, pull and cut genitalia to make it appear other, but what about the chromosomes? They don't change. right?
Woottonm
9th Nov 2017
6
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I agree with Kobyhodge as long as there is a door with a lock on there should not be a problem.

Just curtains is a definite no no
Wilf
9th Nov 2017
15
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My only comment would be if women are uncomfortable as they seem to be with the voting here and most people replying are women then we should leave it as male and female changing rooms. Been done like that for ever so why change something that works?
susannewton
9th Nov 2017
1
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But it doesn't work for everyone.
Wilf
9th Nov 2017
7
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That is true but then have a 3rd separate changing rooms like a unisex one
HilaryH3
9th Nov 2017
5
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Can we not have just one transgender changing room in both male and female and let the rest of us carry on as normal
PeterC5
9th Nov 2017
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Are these really issues that affect Silversurfers? Looking at the various topics you've covered recently I think you've lost your way and are trying to turn this into a political pseudo-scientific preaching activist group. Anymore of this and I'll be off.
MrsPat
9th Nov 2017
5
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I think they affect us all actually. I regularly comment on these posts and they seem to have a fair balance of views. This was on the GMTV and BBC news this morning so its certainly current.
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Thank you for your feedback PeterC5 - we cover a combination of subjects that are relevant to our everyday lives, stories that are in the news like this one and topical issues relating to our monthly themes and to the time of year, along with some lightheartedness too! We like to mix it up and try to keep a wide range of discussion features to interest our community without political agenda.
susannewton
9th Nov 2017
4
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These issues could effect anyone, I didn't think they would ever effect me , but you know life sometimes throws you a curved ball , it is how you deal with it what counts .
Any topic should be debatable on here because one way or another things effort us all in some way , so any viewpoint is very welcome to me , if it teaches me how to understand one thing , then it is a worthwhile debate .
Wilf
9th Nov 2017
6
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Yes its good we have freedom of speech to debate everything in good old UK-Freedom is everything
linj
9th Nov 2017
3
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Sorry you feel that way PeterC5. A lot of the topics and various subjects are most certainly of interest, and some do affect Silversurfers. I for one, as Sally says,like the mix of topics, it’s what makes Silversurfers an interesting site to be on. But if as you say it’s turning into a political pseudo-scientific preaching activist group ( which it certainly is not ) this obviously is not the site for you.
Wilf
9th Nov 2017
2
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I agree Linj I am on here most days and think there is a good variety of chat and topics. i especially like a good old debate and my online friends like Lionel always have an opinion. Thats the wonderful thing about us Brits we always have an opinion! Is also a pain as everyone always has to have an opinion things take some time to happen as we all need our say but long may it continue
jeanmark
9th Nov 2017
2
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Well PeterC5, are you implying that Silversurfers have no interest in current topics. Our ages would suggest we have a great deal of experience and knowledge on life's issues, so why not have a good selection of discussions for those interested enough to comment?
commiczar
9th Nov 2017
8
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the liberatti and pc brigade , are getting far too much say in our views , Your gender is what it is at birth , till you complete the changes required , transgender is not a gender it is a personal expression , does not need any extra additions .
Poppyrose
9th Nov 2017
6
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For fairness to all there should be individual changing rooms - nobody likes the communal ones anyway. Retailers only use them to get more bodies in but having run fashion shops years ago people, whether male, female, transgender, no gender, 6 legs etc prefer the privacy of their own cubicle. To introduce an all in means that the retailers are going to lose sales from whoever doesn't want to go in the changing room because of who may be in there.
Kobyhodge
9th Nov 2017
7
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As long as changing cubicles have a door and a lock I don't see where the problem is, if there is only a curtain then 'no', as there will always be an idiot who pulls the curtain at an inappropriate time. 20 years ago I used to go to a Créperie in Concarneau who had neutral gender toilets and I admit the first time a woman brushed passed me to go to the cubicle whilst I was at a urinal shocked me somewhat, but we do seem to get hung up about these things. I am sure when people have friends around they allow them to go the the bathroom regardless of their gender, where's the difference ??
Shroppie
9th Nov 2017
5
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I would just feel uncomfortable.
Munsterlander
9th Nov 2017
4
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I thought most of them are already. I don't go shopping much anymore apart from Marks and Spencers who are excellent. The last time I went I think they had separate changing rooms but I know some shops have had all in one changing rooms. It makes no difference to me. I just want to try on my clothes and buy or not buy.
Marley444
9th Nov 2017
8
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I am really unsure about this. As a woman when I go into a fitting room to try on clothes I am always conscious of ill fitting curtains with gaps, and this makes me feel slightly uncomfortable. I think I would feel more conscious if there were men in the same fitting room. I hate unisex toilets actually, as I like to reapply my lipstick and feel awkward when there are men in the same space washing their hands. I also have a concern that there is an gradual erosion of male/female gender in many instances now, and wonder where this will all lead??
MrsPat
9th Nov 2017
3
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Yes I think that all changing rooms should be unisex or gender neutral-why? Because often I have to wait or my daughter does for womens changing rooms while the mens ones are free. Much better use of space.

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