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Have you changed your mind?

This weekend the papers and media were awash with comments about the Conservative manifesto and the proposed social care reforms.

Many people said they would never vote Conservative again. Have you decided to support a different political party because of the proposed social care reforms?

Have you decided to support a different political party because of the proposed social care reforms?

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Based on 819 public votes.

We always like to hear your views, and your vote is completely confidential. In light of all the published manifestos, who will you be voting for?

Who will you be voting for?

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Based on 656 public votes.

 

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scandiman
9th Jun 2017
0
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Well done Mrs. May. You've just lost an election you didn't need to call anyway. Another silly Tory gamble has failed. Looks like a coalition government of Labour and someone else. She had a big lead over Labour at the start, but threw it away. I will not be voting again.
Even with someone like Corbyn in opposition, the Tories couldn't achieve a working majority, such is the calibre of the party now. Utter shambles.
Pam1960
7th Jun 2017
1
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For the first time ever I do not know who I will vote for. Brexit & security are playing a huge part in my decision. I am a Lib Dem at heart but know that a vote for them could potentially mean that a party I would not vote for could get into power. Labour in particular Jeremy Corbyn has many supporters especially amongst the idealistic young but in times of struggle both with the economy and our national security the Conservatives would be the better option. In no way would I ever vote for UKIP who have no policies that are not based on immigration
Lionel
4th Jun 2017
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Today, in the aftermath of the London Bridge atrocity, one motivated it seems by racial and ethnic hatred as was Westminster and Manchester, I've heard the responses of both Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn.

If anyone anywhere thinks Corbyn will authoritavely address these attacks they need their heads examined by a Jihadi! Today he had no effective response to London Bridge. Just mumbled words of sympathy and a long face.

Theresa May, on the other hand, came out with a ferocity, not quite enough for my liking, but certainly a more effective address to these dreadful people who kill us Brits.

If Corbyn gets a majority vote, just give up all hope ye who live in the UK, ' cause, we ain't got a hope.
Wilf
5th Jun 2017
0
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Mrs May cut Police numbers by 20,000 Lionel and was booed in about 2015 at the Police Federation and was told by police this would hinder the fight against crime and terrorism. She is just giving the usual answers now...longer prison sentences etc etc. These terrorists don't care about that. She and the government need to be a lot lot tougher...and dont get me on the subject of Comrade Corbyn he has been appeasing terrorist organisations for years.
Lionel
5th Jun 2017
0
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The Treason Act absolutely must be restored now, and with it the death penalty for acts of treason causing loss of life. Corbin hasn't the will to act against the main threats to our internal security, He's indecisive, not at all resolute and, as far I can see, every single political point he's made crumbles at the first test.

Similarly, Theresa May was willing to make the UK a high end surveillance State, as well as giving access to our personal correspondences to even the Inland Revenue. But if, hours after the London Bridge affair, she can't publicly offer something more far reaching, more penetrating of the situation than politician's rhetoric then we have little hope of an end to terrorism in the UK. It can only escalate and most certainly will be more horrific, more devastating than we've known before.

A few minutes ago my step daughter sent me a link to an article in the Daily Express online. Now, given that can be a rag, at least I've managed to elevate her horizons above the Sun and the Mirror! Here's the link: http://www.express.co.uk/showbiz/tv-radio/813093/London-Bridge-attack-Colonel-Richard-Kemp-political-will-suspects-Piers-Morgan-GMB

First thoughts are to agree with this chap Kemp. We are in this place because of a lack of political will to change anything. I would add for fear of offending minorities and PC pundits.

But, that still leaves a problem for Thursday morning. Corbyn, May or our local UKP candidate in a protest vote. The trouble is, if I don't vote for May we might well get a coalition of incompetence of Corbyn, Thornberry and Abbott.

Of all elections I've been able to vote in, this is one of the most difficult to decide responsibly.
Lionel
2nd Jun 2017
2
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It's difficult to know just who to vote for this time. There are many major issues at stake this next five years, Social Care and the NHS being but two. All these issues are important to Silver Surfers.

Yet, To achieve Brexit we need the Tories or Ukip. If we vote Tory Social Care changes come with them along with a raft of unpopular changes, most costing our generation yet more money.

If we vote Labour, then there's the Garden Tax to consider ... it would hit me very hard because I bought a former Council house with a very big garden. But our mains services are already overloaded and access to the bottom of my garden is very limited, so I couldn't sell off the land to a developer if I wanted to. Inheritance tax changes don't bother me either because we just aren't rich enough! And Brexit - most Labour MPs don't want an exit from Europe, so how is a Labour Prime Minister going to fight for a good and fair deal from Brussels?

The other parties are supporting acts in the political theatre. Of no great account.

So who to vote for?

It will be Tory or UKIP. I'll re-assess the risks to my family on the day.
Wilf
2nd Jun 2017
0
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Problem with Labour Lionel is as ever they will be spending all this money on lots of different deserving causes ...but who is going to pay? The rich will be ok they always are. The semi rich will get hammered and the economy will slow and then stop. Brown was a disaster...Corby couldn't run a bath
Lionel
2nd Jun 2017
1
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Wilf, I've just sat though an hour and a half of political debate on TV. Whereas Theresa May answered some questions head on, Corbyn didn't. In fact, as I recall, he didn't answer one question.

I'm particularly enraged about his lack of a direct answer on nuclear weapons. When a nuclear missile is launched from Russia we have four minutes before impact. Corbyn thinks he may negotiate something in that time, as according to what he said tonight. But the problem is, once launched, these things are unstopable.

I don't think anyone would see me as a Socialist sympathiser. But this chap leading the Labour Party is a real doozy. I'm not, tobight, sure he's on our planet.
Wilf
2nd Jun 2017
1
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Lionel, I dispair of them all. Its all fluffy and platitudes. Not one hard fact. The Tories with their £23k-£100k was/is a good idea but the communication was rubbish...so much so its now called a Dementia tax". As for Jeremy he is a buffoon. Last week Zbigniew Brzezinski the former US Secretary of Sate died. In his obituary in the Times it recoundted how in November 1979 he was woken in the middle in the night and told that there were 250 Russian missiles heading to the USA...a few minutes later another phone call from the Pentagon to say they had made an error and it was 2,500 missiles...he didnt even bother waking his wife as he thought everyone was a goner. he had minutes to make a decision and retaliate before he was told it was all a mistake. In the same situation (perish the thought) Jeremy would be pontificating and debating for hours before making the decision...I know I keep saying it we need leaders...Theresa cannot make decisions and has zero charisma...Jeremy is the type of bore you meet in most pubs in the uk...full of ideas about how to solve all social issues...not a clue how to execute them...Tim Farron looks like he needs to go back to school and he does not seem to grasp the fact we our one our way out of the EU and cannot keep having votes to try and stay in....Winston please come back and rescue us.................
Lionel
2nd Jun 2017
1
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Yes, Wilf, at this time we need leaders of Churchill's calibre. War leaders, men, yes I mean men, who are not afraid to make a life and death decision. I care not if I'm unpopular, but say again men make the best war leaders. And right now, whichever way we look, it is a battle front. Whether we accept it not we are at war! As in 1939 it's us against the rest.

I didn't meet Churchill, but I was by Westminster pier when his coffin was loaded onto a boat to go up stream. Even for me at fourteen this was an emotional moment. I think I said elsewhere, I've been to his grave at Bladon. Over the fifty years after his funeral I read most of his works, These days, if he's regarded at all it is as a great man when in reality he was the British patriot to end all British patriots. A great and successful war leader because he understood war.

And this day I would contend we don't need politicians, we need a war leader. We need a great patriotic heart for Britain in Number 10. There's nothing wrong in beimg patriotic; it doesn't mean we belong to the National Front or another outrageous outfit. No, it means our hearts are with our country, it's people, and our thoughts are with that people's present and future, whoever they are.

Is not the first responsibility of government the defence of the realm? Does not Magna Carta state no power over this realm of England may be given to foreign princes or powers? If I remember rightly, and please do tell me of I'm wrong, Churchil, spoke of us being a part of Europe, but not a part. Joined econmically but not politically; united with Europe when it suited British purposes. Here I paraphrase his Iron Curtain Washington speech as I remember it.

On the front line now we have no one to match the times. No. Perhaps Rees-Mogg may, in a while, take the helm. I don't know.

Do you?
Wilf
3rd Jun 2017
0
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Lionel I have no idea who tat leader is. the only one who to me is remotely sensible is David Davies-he seems to have gravitas and is clever and thinks about what he says before he says it. The liberals are a joke and Labour is a barren wasteland ...I suspect Andy Burnham may be the next leader...we will see.
Adel
30th May 2017
1
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Will never vote Tory. As a recently widowed person I was apalled that having worked all my life and paid my National Insurance. Theresa May is taking off me my Bereavement Allowance. Also because I have a small private pension coming in I am being penalised for that also. Why did I work all those years only to have everything taken off me when I need to give up work through ill health at the age of 62.
snoopy2015
27th May 2017
1
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i wanted a strong conservative party until the manifesto came out and i find it is the poor and weaker section of society who will once again be pulling the heavy load I want to vote for tessy and brexit but the price is too high ie no nhs many dying from cold and rubbish talk of scotland being colder this seems like a sop to me i dont rate jerry at all but no i will not sacrifice simple basics any longer austerity has gone on long enough with no great gain for me
Lionel
25th May 2017
3
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I had thought to vote Tory, the first time in a few years. The reasoning was akin to many other people - I want to see Brexit happen and the Tories and UKIP are the only parties going ahead with Brexit.

But after the publication of Social Care reforms and the Winter Fuel Allowance nonsense it's clear to me to get a Tory Brexit we must endure five years of hard right Conservatism. It seems to me their manifesto was written for the unwary, but looking at it more closely one reads it as a deal. You want Brexit? Well, the deal is we'll deliver some sort of Brexit but in return the country is ours to mess up as we wish. The havoc that could wreak on the nation is unthinkable.

I read in the online press leader writer Juliet Samuel argues Theresa May is beginning to tackle Welfarism. Firing broadsides at helpless pensioners, a soft target, when the elephant in the room has already bred several others, seems like a coward's way of going about matters.

My wife has just handed me a laeaflet saying we have a UKIP candidate. I'm 'orff to read their manifesto. Bet is it Toryism without the Conservatives!
reet
24th May 2017
3
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NHS privatisation by the back door,cuts to local councils, labour has got my vote got to be a better way of doing things
iestynlad
24th May 2017
1
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What hasn't been made clear is about the £100,000 cap. Is this per household? what if you jointly own the home - as most do - one needs care and spends the whole house value except £100,000? Does the remaining person get a) all paid by the State? b) get all paid by the State when the next £50k has gone OR c) is the house value split 50/50 at the outset and the party needing care whittles down half the value of the home e.g. home worth £300k, half is £150k, party needing care has to spend £50k before State funding kicks in and the other party starts with £150k. Can anyone shed light pls?
Junebee
24th May 2017
1
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I will vote LABOUR for the first time ever it my only hope of a better future
Judy W
23rd May 2017
6
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This is a difficult one. I had intended to vote Conservative (I've never voted Labour in my life and cannot stand Jeremy Corbyn) but Theresa May is making it hard for me to make a definitive decision. I am disgusted that she is in favour of fox hunting, I am upset that she will not even consider the decriminalisation of cannabis for medicinal purposes despite growing evidence that it has a place in modern medicine, and I am angry at her apparently dismissive attitude towards pensioners, especially since many of us have 'gone without' luxuries in order to pay off our mortgages and leave something for our children. If you are not careful, Theresa, I feel you may lose a substantial number of votes in the forthcoming election that you could probably have counted on getting up until you published your manifesto.
iestynlad
24th May 2017
2
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All said by Judy W!
PollyAnnXXXX
31st May 2017
3
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Agree with everything you say Judy. I am really undecided who to vote for now, like you I don't like Corbyn so who else is there!
JeanC96
23rd May 2017
4
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I won't be voting Tory ever again as I value the NHS and they are privatising it by stealth. They need to be stopped.
TonyE
23rd May 2017
6
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How can we trust Mrs May to fight for the best deal on Brexit, when she can't even come up with a manifesto.
JacquiF
23rd May 2017
4
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WOULD NEVER VOTE TORY! !
fiveinone
23rd May 2017
11
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Without being prejudiced in any way, all sensible people realise the crises in housing, NHS, social care, etc are due to the huge amount of people coming into our country and putting a strain on all of our services. These people have never paid into the system, but are entitled to everything a pensioner has worked hard for and paid into all their lives. Pensioners should not be penalised for working and saving hard in order to subsidise those that have paid nothing towards the services they are using - the should be made to pay - not the pensioners!
PamB25
23rd May 2017
1
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I am voting Tory only to get a good hard Brexit,we can change things in the future hopefully we will by then get a decent opposition in place.
snoopy2015
27th May 2017
2
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sorry pam but by the time you think of there will be no NHS very little help for elderly and pension age will keep rising a decent opposition needs to be now even if the leader is a dope he can be changed later but our NHS will never return
MelS6
23rd May 2017
7
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Worked all my life since I was 15. Never claimed anything before I retired last May. Now i will lose winter fuel allowance and probably my free bus pass too later on. Conservatives should not have abandoned the triple pension lock either.
CarolL14
23rd May 2017
3
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I shall by voting Conservative for the first time ever, the thought of Jeremy Corbyn and Diane Abbott running this Country and negotiating Brexit is a definite vote loser for Labour.
VenaB
23rd May 2017
1
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You do have other options!
Mdavies
23rd May 2017
4
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I am despaired and sickened by the unfairness and inequality this Tory government are responsible for. The NHS is in crisis and our shools are underfunded, Yet There's May will not debate these important issues on television with other leaders.. Give the electorate the information they need to chose which party they trust. It is not about leadership, it's about policies to improve the failing issues that we are all disappointed with.
PatB2
23rd May 2017
4
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Having seen Labour twice nearly bankrupt this country in my lifetime I am not taken in by their attempts to buy votes with unaffordable promises. We would all be worse off under Labour and would be humiliated by Corbyn crawling cap in hand to the EU and taking any deal they cared to offer, however bad for Britain.

A lot of hysteria is being stirred up over the social care proposals but at present you have to pay if you have more than £23,000 so with the £100,000 proposed, many people would be better off! (Not me, but I recognise that I should be prepared to pay my own way if I can afford to,)

The Conservatives have been honest in putting forward their proposals, unlike Labour or the other parties.
VenaB
23rd May 2017
6
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An honest politicIan you are joking!
PatB2
23rd May 2017
2
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AmandaK1
23rd May 2017
4
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Having read some of the comments on here I despair! Too many are based on a perceptions rather than logic and facts. Also obvious is that old political prejudices are so ingrained that they would rather hang on to these than look at reality. I may be over 70' but I do like to think I do some actual research before making comments.
snoopy2015
27th May 2017
0
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amanda you come up with nothing sorry
NikkiB6
23rd May 2017
0
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The media have done a fine job to help people change their minds. To take the attention away from Leaving the EU.
To regain some hope for a future in which the United Kingdoms elected Government decides and not Brussels, Germany or France.

Conservatives inform us that those of us fortunate enough to own our own homes will have to contribute to our Social Care should we need it ?
It is only payable after the death of the remaining spouse.
This "MAY" reduce any inheritance we leave to our family.

Labour however intend to reduce the Inheritance Tax Allowance by half. Currently the standard Inheritance Tax rate is 40% and it is charged on the part of your estate that is above the threshold.
This change will effect far more of Home Owners than the Conservative "Dementia Tax'!

I never truly believed the UK would ever be allowed to leave the EU we are being manipulated to vote in a way that we will never truly be OUT and FREE.
NickyF
22nd May 2017
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I will always vote for the union.Although I disagree with some of the manifesto it is still better than the IRA loving labour or the Scottish Nasty Party
AmandaK1
23rd May 2017
2
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You mean like Maria Gatland, who was Maria McGuire, who was an IRA member and called for the shooting of British Soldiers? Who is now a Conservative councillor. I know of know Labour part politician who ever did this.
AlanG
22nd May 2017
2
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The Dementia tax is just an unfair tax targetting those who are unlucky enough to suffer a debilitating slow demise. Die suddenly and your kids inherit? What I find worrying is some people I know who are saying they would walk off Beachy Head or make the trip to Dignitas rather than allow Mrs May to rob their families of their inheritance. What is happening to this country? Brexit has a lot to answer for and no solutions.
Cossybabe
23rd May 2017
0
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I so agree, having just gone through all this with my aged Mother - who I did look after for over 10 years - there is no way any politician is taking all my heard earned money when I cannot look after myself. Think I will sell up and have a "gap" few years in Europe or beyond
VenaB
22nd May 2017
9
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The Tory Austerity is just not working and it looks to continue for a few years to come. We have lost libraries, community centres etc and believe me they will never be replaced. The Tories have borrowed far more that the Labour party did and we are no better off. We send Overseas aid willynilly to countries who have space programmes etc whilst our people suffer and we have "food banks" how disgusting in this day and age. We have more and more people sleeping on the streets and we are one of the richest countries in the world. All politicians are in it for themselves and I just can't see a way out. After Teresa Mays recent manifesto attacking pensioners and the sick, who do not have to be have to be elderly, I think my vote will be going elsewhere!
StephSG
22nd May 2017
2
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We are a country that owes trillions of pounds, and most people have no savings either - hardly rich, just living beyond our means. Theresa May is looking ahead to a post Brexit era where we shall have to be very careful. As a pensioner, I remember the fifties. Times were very tough then and we managed, but not by throwing money around like Jeremy Corbyn wants to!
AmandaK1
23rd May 2017
1
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The Tories have increased the National Debt and borrowed far more than any Labour government, it is worth checking the facts.
Mdavies
23rd May 2017
0
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Here, hear. Well said.
MartinS6
22nd May 2017
8
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You cannot trust someone who goes back on their word. The choice, as in all choices in life come down to the choice between good and evil, right or wrong, caring or uncaring, humane or inhumane, selfish or unselfish. Think of the consequences of allowing an untrustworthy person to control your destiny and the destiny of future generations. Would privatising the NHS put medical care beyond the reach of millions in the name of profit for a few? Would they turn again on each key policy, blaming factors outside of their control during the Brexit negotiations, washing their hands of all blame?
StephSG
22nd May 2017
2
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Don't be daft! It is all my fellow greedy well off pensioners who have forced the issue. They can not get their heads round the fact that we are all living so long that the young can't support us all. Theresa May knows this, but she has to put Brexit first and not let Jeremy Corbyn drag us all into God knows what!
12jackiec
23rd May 2017
3
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Greedy well off pensioners !! Speak for yourself !!
After her rapid U turn on her manifesto,and her appauling interview by Andrew Niel,Teresa May couldn't negotiate her way out of a paper bag.The EU negotiater's will be rubbing their hands
neenaw
22nd May 2017
3
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I will be voting Labour because of my political convictions, because I believe Jeremy Corbyn is a man of integrity and because I can't bear the thought of the Tories getting in. I'm sick of the media bias and the lies about JC 🙁
StephSG
22nd May 2017
0
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He has never grown up from his student protest days, and nor have you from the sound of it. Try living in the real World!
AmandaK1
23rd May 2017
2
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I strongly suggest you look at actual facts rather than the propaganda spouted by the right-wing media.
JeanS5
22nd May 2017
11
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Why should you have to give up a large portion of your home value if you need care for dementia! Those who don't bother with owning their home will get it all free. This society rewards the slackers, the layabouts, anyone who hasn't paid into the system. Yet those who worked hard to provide for themselves in retirement get hacked for everything. The Tories will keep on taking, so long as people are ignorant enough to keep voting for them. Do you think the money taken away via means tested winter fuel payment will be used in a considered way for those who need it most? Wrong. It will go for more Tory vanity projects which we can't afford, while the poorest pensioners freeze to death.
Glumbumble
22nd May 2017
12
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Silver surfers, like myself, should try to leave a better world for our children and grandchildren.
We should not leave a worse world.
We inherited the NHS we should improve it not have it destroyed by the Tories!
The same applies to Education, the Welfare State and the former Nationalised industries.
To leave a better UK we must and the Tories packing once and for all.
It's only decent.
StephSG
22nd May 2017
3
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Rubbish comment. I was a nurse, but I still wonder if you have a magic lamp to rub to find all the money that Labour is offering everyone!
AmandaK1
23rd May 2017
4
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So was I. The money is there, it's what is prioritised. Giving tax breaks to the wealthy and to multi National companies should not be the priority.
VenaB
23rd May 2017
0
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I did 20 years with NHS it breaks my heart to think of it being privatised. I agree with your comments.
Gingernut49
22nd May 2017
4
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I'll never vote Conservative again. Theresa May is a heartless witch.
PatB2
23rd May 2017
1
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As a pensioner, and taxpayer, I know that many of us have the resources to look after ourselves. In the past families looked after their own and didn't expect the taxpayer to keep them. The Welfare State is meant to be a "safety net" to catch those who can't support themselves, not a universal provider. Remember, there are many, and growing, burdens on the taxpayer so resources need to be better targeted. We all know the social care system is in trouble so ways have to be found to fund it better. It is all very well responding on a purely emotional level but logic is required!
Putty
22nd May 2017
4
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If you have assets worth over 100,000 who is supposed to pay for your care? If it comes 'free' then the taxpayers in general pay. Who benefits-your children who inherit the assets. Perhaps if your children provide your care they can avoid any charge and then inherit the lot. Does that sound fair? It does to me.
LucyS6
23rd May 2017
2
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Having spent 20+ years as an unpaid carer to parents, disabled son and for a brother with a terminal illness, which I had little choice over as services were not there for them. Having given up work at a loss of around £150,000 plus over these years, minimally helped by receiving Carers Allowance of £54 per week, which stopped the day I reached 60, even though my caring role carries on. Also consider the 30 + years I did work and pay my NI and taxes on the understanding that if I ever needed support myself it would be there for me. Collective payments for the common good has to be a better way than penalising those who have done the right thing all their lives, There will always be people who mostly through non fault of their own, will require services and support and I for one am glad that I have been fit and able enough to do this despite having to give up a job I loved and being financially worse off.
YvonneY2
22nd May 2017
13
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Just recently lost my husband so am now living on less money. No state pension for five more years, no widows pension after June 30th. You Tories are frightening me.
StephSG
22nd May 2017
2
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I do agree that older women have a tough time at the moment, and always have.
saladmuncher
22nd May 2017
5
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The way I see it is that at present the rules of social care are: In England, anyone with more than £14,250 is expected to pay something towards the cost of their care, and those whose assets exceed £23,250 get no help. But from 2020 those figures will rise to £17,000 before you make any contribution and £118,000 before all help stops. If you get social care in the home your savings are taken into account and at a certain level you have to contribute to the cost. The new proposed rules by the Tories mean that those who need to go into a care home still have to use their assets to pay for care, but this can be deferred until you pass away. You are allowed to keep £100k (rather than the current £23,250), which is a better deal in my eyes. However, the change which is not so good is those having care in their own homes will now have their home's value assessed as an asset, where previously it was ignored. They will also be allowed to keep £100k of assets. This means if they do not put a cap on what you have to pay those with houses of greater value will pay more towards their care, e.g. if your house is worth £200k you would pay £100k before the state takes over, whereas if your home is worth £150k you would only pay £50k. If they put a cap in place then everyone will pay the same. I assume the cap will be at least £120k. I don't think this is a worse deal compared with the current system. Something has to be done otherwise social care as we know it will soon be non existent.
StephSG
22nd May 2017
1
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LucyS6
23rd May 2017
2
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There is one thing I might add to this, having been in work most of my life, have paid my taxes and NI for all of these years to receive the support I might need if I became ill or disabled. Not sure I see the fairness in having to pay again. Maybe we should raise taxes enough to properly cover theses costs, like they do in the Netherlands etc where cradle to grave applies and with the choice of care home/ support if needed rather than what you can afford. Certainly under this Tory government, all I have witnessed and seen is not what a caring, compassionate society should wish for.
Wilf
22nd May 2017
12
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I have never known an election like this one. Labour is harking back to the 1970s with government owned companies..(actually I do agree with railways and utilities I have decided). Tories now want to penalise us all as we get older and take all our savings...I think? but it has not been at all well explained. Liberals want another Brexit referendum and I guess if we are still voting to come out they will want another one. SNP want a vote to leave the UK even though they have been an integral part of it for 350 years. I mean you just couldn't make it up. If an Alien from Mars landed here tomorrow he would be seriously worried about this country. Oh yes and in the middle of it all in one of the most advanced economies and technologically advanced countries (Stephen Hawking, City of London, The country that once ran a lot of the world) the current Tory party wants to go back to 1750 and start hunting foxs again!!!!. I don't know about a Dementia tax I think the Martian would want to section all the politicians!!!!
Carol Barrow
22nd May 2017
12
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The entire benefits system needs sorting out , to make sure the people who really need the money . The people who are diagnosed with incurable diseases should be able to receive free prescriptions even if they are working . AND SOME DO despite being so ill .
The lazy and work shy , should be given jobs in the community, helping to keep their area clean and tidy, doing garden s for the elderly or infirm who find it difficult to manage. Let them actually earn the money they receive.
CharlesL
22nd May 2017
5
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Spot on... let those who are able to work but choose not to and claim benefits put something back into the local community. If people choose to stay on handouts then have them work a minimum 30 hours per week in the community, cleaning the streets taking care of green spaces etc this would replace the lack of council workers who used to do this work prior to budget cuts.

Also like you say they can assist the elderly and infirm but only those that have a clean CRB check just like those working in the care industry that visit peoples homes.
neenaw
22nd May 2017
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You can't really just decide not to work. If you find yourself out of work and claim JSA you have to spend 35 hours a week looking for work or get sanctioned. You have to log it all down and apply for a minimum number of jobs but you can't just apply for any jobs, they have to be one's you are qualified to apply for and within a certain range of where you live. You mustn't be late or miss an appointment, no excuses. If you are ill you can claim ESA and not have to do all that but even if a GP has declared you unfit, if you fail the unfair assessment, you lose it and have to appeal. The myth of the unemployed scrounger isn't true although of course, there are fraudulent claimants but benefit fraud is a drop in the ocean compared to tax fraud. The media like to blame the unemployed and make up stories to hide the fact that this welfare state is letting down the poorest and the most vulnerable. 🙁
StephSG
22nd May 2017
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StephSG
22nd May 2017
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Yes, but look at the poor in Greece - they are living on the streets and scavenging to eat. It could be worse here if we don't watch out. Our benefits bill is massive.
CharlesL
23rd May 2017
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I have been unemployed myself and have been through the system all be it a few years ago now, and yes there are many that actually want to work and actively seek employment. The case remains that due to the amount the longer term unemployed receive in benefits and I am not referring to JSA it's a no brainer to stay unemployed as for many they get much more value from the state than they can earn due to low wage levels. I had a neighbour where neither of them worked with one young child and their state benefits were higher annually than my household was earning where both of us were working 40+ hours a week.
LucyS6
23rd May 2017
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Agree, providing it's not used like the present Assessment for Work as a means of stopping financial support for those claiming i.e. ESA and DLA. Job seekers allowance claimants would benefit from doing outside physical work within their capabilities as it is shown to benefit Mental Health wellness, as well as improving a persons ability to getting back to work.
ChristineN6
23rd May 2017
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I agree Carol, anyone who is fit for work should and if they won't then don't pay them anything. They'd soon get off their fat a***s then. And give them those jobs that the immigrants are getting.
Pete H
22nd May 2017
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You can promise all sorts of wonderful things if you are living in la la labour land and know you will never have to deliver on your wild and uncosted promises!!
VenaB
22nd May 2017
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As do all political parties!
neenaw
22nd May 2017
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The Labour manifesto explains how the money can be raised to carry out the much needed changes. The Tory manifest is a list of doom and gloom with all hope of affordable healthcare gone 🙁 Terribly depressing 🙁
StephSG
22nd May 2017
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Billions would be needed for Labour's plans, and the rich and their money would be out of the country like a shot before Corbyn could get near them!
Johigham
22nd May 2017
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The older people are being targeted by the Tories the ones who have paid in all their life and now they are taking away our perks!!?
Well paid for ones.....even down to tv licences.
Today I have had 5 phone calls from Teresa Mays office plus 3 posted leaflets. To say nothing of posts on my iPad. How's that for wasting money???
StephSG
22nd May 2017
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Well, you must have had my share, because I've had nothing! Most pensioners have done very well if they own a house because of the rise in house prices. Many also have very good pensions, so why should the young have to try to pay for our care when we are very old? They aren't having nearly such an easy time getting a house or a pension.
joesgrandma
22nd May 2017
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So disappointed that a disease is a focus of deprivation. It is a medical reality. You don't get charged for any other condition. It's a disgrace.
VenaB
22nd May 2017
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It is not just for Demetia it is for any illness needing care. And don't forget the younger people who contract cancer etc. The whole idea is too cruel for words.
Put up the National Insurance Contributions and tax for the super rich!
StephSG
22nd May 2017
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The super rich will send their wealth to the Cayman islands or something. All the wealthy French came to London when their tax was hiked!
StephSG
22nd May 2017
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There just won't be the money to go round when the Baby boomers all hit their eighties and nineties and get dementia. It's tough, but there it is!
Matilda1
22nd May 2017
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Because of the changes to the circumstances around care for the elderly and the pension situation I'm really not sure that Conservatives will get my vote, though I have always voted for them in the past. I certainly won't be voting Labour because of the shambles they are in. So it might be Liberal Democrats this time round.
JK Worthing
22nd May 2017
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A Lib Dem vote is probably a wasted vote and we have already voted on Brexit and will see the Conservatives back in power with little or no opposition within parliament so they will be able to do exactly as their fat backers want them to do.
AmandaK1
23rd May 2017
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Labour are not in a shambles- anything but. And I'd rather have someone of the calibre of Keir Starmer handling Brexit negotiations than any of the muppets in the Tory party.
Debra Chadwick
22nd May 2017
5
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Never voted Tory and never will. I
am 64 my husband is 65. We are not wealthy have very moderate private pensions that we have worked hard for all our working life's combined with state does not mean we are loaded. We own our own home which in the North is certainly not worth a fortune So media people stop accusing for been wearily pensions.
StephSG
22nd May 2017
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Never voted Labour and never will.
JohnHerb
22nd May 2017
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Its a difficult one as I am now not sure about labour with this latest "giving all students free university education" which I agree with by the way but I don't think it was in their manifesto and is just there for the youngsters vote. As for this so called "dementia tax" from Mrs May I just do not understand it. It seems like a good idea to riase amount you can keep from £23k to £100k but under the current situation I think...and I am not sure...a person can still keep their house but most not have more than £23k in savings/money? is this correct?
LynP7
23rd May 2017
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Currently if you have care at home your financial contribution is graduated on savings between approx. £14,500 and £23,000. Over £23K you get no state help but the value of your home is not taken into account. If you need residential care then the home's value is counted and the local authority can put a legal charge on it. The new plan is that the value of your property will be included in your financial assessment for care at home as well as residential care but you can keep £100,000 of it. You will not be forced to sell whilst you are alive. The winners are those in residential care who might not have had anything left, the losers are those who have care at home who will lose part of the value of their home.
thefilthycripple
22nd May 2017
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I have been wavering , the dementia care proposals fly in the face of Conservative principles ,of thrift and self reliance . Folks who have made no provision ,once again get a free ride .under the Conservatives the the value of my savings have been wiped out , as I subsidise folks with mortgages .Really testing my patience
Poppyrose
22nd May 2017
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Can anyone give me the answer to the following please? I have been ploughing through the manifestos and in Labours manifesto they talk about taking back the postal and rail services but do not mention whether the hundreds if not thousands of ordinary wage earners who invested in the initial £250 will get their money back or some form of recompense and if so how much will it cost? A lot of people who were not 'rich' decided that they would spend some of their hard earned money to try and make a small profit and I would imagine a lot of them would agree in principle for these services to be re-nationalised but what happens to their money?
Marley444
22nd May 2017
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I agree with Jo .. I have considered what is being proposed and the trouble is there will never be enough money to go around and I am unsure how any of the parties are going to fund what they pledge??! I have to listen to my heart and my gut feeling on this and look at the bigger picture, which is who do I want to lead this country and for me there is no contest!
StephSG
22nd May 2017
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Debra Chadwick
23rd May 2017
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I certainly will not be voting Tory so Steph just cancelled your vote!
Jo Kingham
22nd May 2017
6
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There has been lots of interesting stuff come out in the manifestos. It's definitely made me think but not enough to change my mind on who I would vote for. It's always the case I agree with some elements and not others - mind you that assumes they actually do what they say they are going to!
Marley444
22nd May 2017
2
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Very well put Jo - I agree with you

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