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Is Labour’s new WASPI promise credible?

Labour’s plan to compensate millions of women hit by the state pension age rise “drives a coach and horses” through its manifesto spending plans, according to a leading think tank.

Shadow chancellor John McDonnell says there is a ‘historical debt of honour’ to the women born in the 1950s.

Labour is promising to compensate an estimated 3.7 million women who believed they lost out financially due to changes in the state pension age if the party gains power in the General Election.

Shadow chancellor John McDonnell said the payments were to settle a “historical debt of honour” to the women born in the 1950s.

The party said the payout could amount to £58 billion over five years – with individual payments averaging £15,380 running to a maximum of £31,300.

It follows a lengthy campaign by the so-called “Waspi women” who said they were given insufficient time to prepare for the changes brought in by the former coalition government.

Boris Johnson was challenged by one of the women in the studio audience for Friday night’s BBC Question Time special.

The Prime Minister said that while he sympathised deeply, he could not promise to “magic up that money” for them.

Paul Johnson, director of the Institute for Fiscal Studies (IFS), said the scheme to compensate the Women Against State Pension Inequality (WASPI) women would lead to “another £12billion of borrowing every year for the next five years”, on top of what Labour has already promised to spend.

The eye-catching promise that was not in the party’s manifesto, comes on the same day as the Tories set out their election stall.

The Waspi campaign is urging the Labour Party to develop a clear framework which outlines how and when this policy would be delivered and how much compensation Waspi women will receive. This is the level of detail that Waspi women deserve, particularly as they decide which party to support when they cast their votes on 12 December.

What are your views?  Have you been affected by the change in pension age? Are you convinced that this new pledge is credible and sustainable? Or is this just a hook to get more Labour votes?

 

Is Labour's new WASPI promise credible?

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Jankel
6 days ago
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I hope so because I was one on the unlucky ones. My local Lab our MP is really championing it and is so supportive. I often get letters from him keeping me up to date.
Margaret Hart
6th Dec 2019
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Labour have made so many expensive promises that in the slight probability that they will get in with Corbin as leader they will immediately have to cut back the order in which they carry them out andJeremy Corbin has no time for woman and never has had. For both men and woman extending the age at which they retire was a stupid thing to do as it cut the no of jobs available for younger People at a time when they were vertical they
dickjones
6th Dec 2019
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I have every sympathy with the WASPI campaign; my wife is one of many caught up in this scandal. However, i have grave reservations as to whether Labour would even keep its " promise "; we have to remember it promised to clear all student loans but then suddenly back tracked. I feel that this is just headline grapping for votes as they are getting desperate.
Linathome
6th Dec 2019
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It would be nice to think it was going to happen, but there is no way the country can afford it. The worrying thing is that there are many women of my age who believe everything they see and hear.
Catton
6th Dec 2019
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Oh how I wish it was. Labour and Conservatives seem to just pull figures out of the air expecting us to believe them. I am a Waspi woman and worked out what I would get back according to Mr C's calculations. A good sum. However I live in the real world and it is not going to happen. We are not stupid. He will not win all the Waspi girls with unrealistic promises.
RabHaw
5th Dec 2019
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Am no lover of fence sitter Corbyn ( he is only slightly better than the immoral Neil dodging Johnson ) but this issue highlights clearly that the current situation is totally irrational and should be put right asap ! Pensions in the disunited Kingdom lag well behind our more sensible EU counterparts To delay payment of pension to women is inexcusable .
DGP
4th Dec 2019
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They broke the country last time and want to do it all over again nutters all
dibank
2nd Dec 2019
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just because people don't believe corbin does not mean they support johnson so why people get so abusive is beyond me.
It's as if the labour party have to be defended come what may,
Raindrop
29th Nov 2019
1
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Sorry you feel as you do Margaret but do not be fooled by Boris
as soon as he gets in he will sell our NHS to Trump for sure. He`s telling lies believe me.
Wilf
1st Dec 2019
1
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Not sure he will sell it all to Trump? Why on earth would the Americans want it? They want to sell their drugs to us but not sure they actually want the NHS!
stanleyk
5th Dec 2019
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Why would he sell the NHS? The only party that have privatised the NHS are Labour
blackdog2
6th Dec 2019
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Do not believe this labour drivel! No way is this going to happen, it is more than they dare do.
Mikehaver37
7th Dec 2019
1
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Let me see , oh yes ,you mean the Private Finance Initiative by one Tony Blair. That is the one that has put all NHS Trusts in hock and as have to pay out Billions of pounds from their yearly budget. This could not be the result of the "Funding Crisis in OUR NHS that we have too few nurses,doctors and specialists let alone lengthy queues for treatment in A&E, cancelled operations etc etc that Jeremy constantly bang on about, could it ?
Margaret Hart
28th Nov 2019
2
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I pressed my answer to print by mistake as I was saying that they could look at that again when they get the country on a more even keel and perhaps the bedroom tax could be stopped immediately. I’m sure it must have caused a problem when a family is trying to look after an elderly sick relative but as they have had to move into a one bedroom accommodation there is nowhere for a carer to sleep.
Margaret Hart
28th Nov 2019
8
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Nothing is credible with Labour as long as they have the Fascist Corbin heading the party. He makes Boris Johnson look and sound like an Angel which is very difficult to do. If any party wanted to make a move in the right direction they could reverse the pension ages as of now which would help very many people and should provide more jobs for younger people which have been blocked by the older people having to work on and on. It would be great to. Reimburse all the wronged people but there is too mute money needed for other things - perha
ponocio
29th Nov 2019
1
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Dear Margaret Hart, I do not know where you get you ridiculous information from BJ team no doubt, Jeremy Corbin is a socialist. I think you will find BJ is the Fascist, a liar who will tell you anything you want to hear to get your vote then give you exactly the same as you get now if not worse. Every one he has ever made a deal with him say he stabs you in the back when he has what he wants. If this is a man you believe in try looking up details about the way he works and just how much you cannot trust this man, even his own father and brother walked out on him in shame, what does that tell you?
Wilf
29th Nov 2019
1
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The problem we have is neither are credible
Margaret Hart
1st Dec 2019
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I definitely agree with you.
Margaret Hart
1st Dec 2019
2
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I haven’t got any ridiculous information from anybody. If you have read the full history of both of both mr you will see that neither are fit to lead this country we only have the choice of who is the worst I studied politics at college but am very pleased I didn’t go into the fray. I am now 72: and have always kept myself well up to date with everything! When these very long papers come out I don’t believe what others tell me they say I read them for myself no matter how long they are but I do have the advantage of being a speed reader probably due to having been a proof reader for many professors books. I really don’t think there is a decent leader among any of the people vying for Government at the moment but we have to choose somebody. However Corbin would destroy ENGLAND forever and possibly cause Civil War.
stanleyk
5th Dec 2019
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You will find the that Corbyn is a Marxist. Read Dangerous Hero by Tom Bower. Frightening stuff
Wilf
6th Dec 2019
2
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Marxists are a bit out of fashion nowdays. I think it has been proved communism does not work. A classic comment in Soviet Russia by the people was "You pretend to pay us so we pretend to work" says it all really.
Ian123
6th Dec 2019
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Personally speaking I think it is McDonnell is pulling Corbyn’s strings.
Whenever I see McDonnell I sense something sinister, a feeling that I have rarely felt.
ponocio
6 days ago
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That is ridiculous Corbin is a ray of sunshine for the working class, it is the first time in decades we have not had a closet tory leading the party, he is left-wing not a destroyer, not a communist (Wilf) and is the best person to bring working people the right to sick pay, a living wage, and a union to protect them, get rid of zero hours, union credit, give benefits back to disabled children and adults and anyone else who is in need, refund the wasp ladies, build up social housing, get rid of bedroom tax, rebuild the NHS....need I go on?
Margaret Hart
6 days ago
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My information is never obtained from personal sources as I prefer official information. You have a very good name for believing the lies told by both sides. The trouble at the moment is that this country only has the choice of two unsuitable leaders neither of whom are fit to lead our country which I hope will be great again but not while it’s laws are made by the criminals in the European Union.
Joalane56
28th Nov 2019
3
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It was the Conservative/Lib Dem coalition that put us in this position in the first place. Labour voted against speeding up the change.
I believe a Labour government would do their very best to make restitution to us. This has been their stance and continues to back us even against the tide of bias & hatred whipped up by the powerful Tory Media!
I honestly wish people wouldn’t be led by their propaganda but rather would research & educate themselves to what is really fact not the fiction thrown around by barbarians the like of Andrew Neil. Look at his record & perhaps you might even see how twisted this mans values really are.
LynnNaylor
27th Nov 2019
4
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I am 65 born July 1954 and not getting my Pension till 6th May 2020 and have 48 years fully contributions. I never received any notification about my SPA being increased, I found out from a Friend just before I was due to get it in 2014. My Husband passed away almost 6 years ago just after his 60th Birthday so never received any State Pension himself. In the last couple of months I have been told that I am entitled to £19.00 a week of his State Pension, I am however unable to claim it till I receive my own State Pension, its sick. Also I am now unable to work and disabled, so when he passed away I was given 12 months Widows Benefit, but they then stopped my ESA for 12 months.until the Widows Benefit ceased. I cannot believe that 50s Women are not willing to accept what has been offered by Labour, BJ has made it quite clear he will give us nothing, even though he said during his election campaign that he would do all he could. I follow politics and know that Jeremy Corbyn and Labour have been wanting to support us for a couple of years, so how people can say it is just a vote bribe is ridiculous. I am not in the position to turn any offer down, I now have no husband to help with the bills etc. Also there is always the chance that we will win our appeal, in fact I would think that with all the support we are receiving from Cross Party MPs & in particular the offer from Labour, it could even strengthen our case. It is not The Labour Party that have let us 50s Women down it was those two Judges and I know where my vote will be going. BJ has again today been proved to be a liar and untrustworthy, with what has come out about the NHS documents and even now BJ is denying it.
Margaret Hart
29th Nov 2019
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Although I think what has been done to both men and women regarding their pensions is truly wicked I don’t know why you didn’t know about it until the last minute as the newspapers, television and social media were full of it. It also was blamed for the lack of jobs for those coming out of university. I don’t believe JC will comply with this promise for a very long time as it will be put on the back burner until he has done many other things as h has never had any time for woman. I wish you well but don’t hold your breath.
AlisonP24
27th Nov 2019
3
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How can JC actually fund all the things he is promising - if he gets in he will wipe out the Treasury and increase our taxes. Like all politicians, they give with one hand and take with the other.
Joalane56
28th Nov 2019
1
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You honestly think the Tories haven’t already done that?
Do you even know what happened to our money?
They used it to drop into the black hole that is our National Debt.......
Hasn’t made any difference though as it’s still huge in comparison to 2010!
Raindrop
27th Nov 2019
3
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I will be voting labour as I am working class and although Jeremy Corbin would not be my choice as prime minister I say let`s give him a chance. If he does not help us waspi`s, the NHS, build more affordable housing and help put more funding into education then he will not get a second term in office and he knows it. I opted to leave under the lies from the conservatives but my eyes are open now and I would now vote to stay in.
Margaret Hart
29th Nov 2019
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He will ssobto so much damage should he get a first term we will never be able to repay our debts and we will be an even bigger joke on the world stage. Have a look to see what he’s worth and ask yourself where he got it from certainly not from working.
Irene88
27th Nov 2019
1
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They are desparate for votes and are trying everything under the sun to bribe us into voting for them. They have a brilliant track record of taking the country into debt and we on here are older enough to remember that.
Joalane56
28th Nov 2019
0
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Seriously!
Have you actually looked at the figure we’re at right now?
Karray
27th Nov 2019
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Don't know what planet they are living on - perhaps they have the magic money tree. At least Boris gave an honest answer this time. I am one of the disadvanteged born 1955 but I'm not going to hold my breath more empty promises.
Barriedow
27th Nov 2019
2
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At least it’s a promise and they have explained how it would work. What’s the reasons for not thinking it’s credible?
Joan Fraser
26th Nov 2019
6
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The money was there-there was a surplus in NI Fund which was 'misappropriated' to reduce national debt and failures caused by Bankers & Governments - why should a generation of women be scapegoated for this? I have no objection to pension age increasing - but it could have been done in a staged fashion with adequate information provided well in advance - in my case I had a letter in the 90's saying I could retire with pension at 62 years 4 months, followed by one advising I would qualify for SPA at 67! Both of these were followed by a 3rd missive advising me to dismiss previous correspondence sent in error.......Approaching 65 now with 50 years full contributions and working full time-all down to a dire DWP system and governmental theft over many years!
JaneM73
26th Nov 2019
5
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I hope it’s credible,I worked for DWP and was finished on health grounds. They treated me under pension rules as. I was 62 and they wouldn’t have to compensate me, I’m too ill to work but not able to claim sickness benefits albeit I have 2 progressive diseases. The tories have financially crippled me. I will vote Labour as it is my only time chance of getting through this till I am 66.
ponocio
26th Nov 2019
6
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Yes I believe it is credible, as many of the people below stated, getting taxes off the super rich will cover the things Labour has promised over the next 5 years though this will probably include borrowing this is usual for any new party coming into power and although the con artist (sorry tories) like to push the fact of Labour borrowing, the largest debt left by a government was left by the con artists (oops .tories) so if you genuinely want change for working class people our children and grandchildren there is only one party who will get anywhere near achieving this Labour
DeniseLilian
27th Nov 2019
2
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Could always sell one of Philip Greene yatchs
LyndaR5
26th Nov 2019
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It would be lovely if it was credible but it isn't. It's just a very cynical ploy to get our votes that will quietly be ditched if Labour do actually get into power.
myfairlady
27th Nov 2019
5
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vote for hope.. beats the alternative,
windes
26th Nov 2019
0
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Labour are promising the earth but where is all the money coming from?? Do they have their own printing press
myfairlady
27th Nov 2019
4
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vote for hope and fair play. beats the alternative .
JaneL12
26th Nov 2019
2
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In purely economic terms, it is completely feasible. It is phased in over 5 years, not in one-off payments. The westminster regime has already spent billions on the totally useless vanity project that is the brexit fiasco, and furthermore squanders 250+billion on the equally useless vanity project that is trident, which I might add is housed less than 40 miles from where I live. Billions in tax revenue are lost to the uk treasury every year through tax evasion which benefits the rich establishment and which the tories choose to ignore. Feasible? Don't insult my intelligence. Will it make me vote for labour? Not a chance - I am a WASPI living in Scotland and my vote stays with the SNP, who gave their support to WASPIs while labour were sitting on the fence waiting to see how the political wind would blow on this issue. The real question of whether this proposal is feasible is not an economic one - it is a question of whether voters in England will get behind it and vote labour. While I demand that restitution of the income I have lost come from the wm regime (because that is where ALL my contributions went), my chances of a comfortable retirement are more likely in an independent Scotland where state pension rates are likely to rise considerably and which independence would give the Scottish govt. the finance it needs to sort out not just the WASPI issue but many of the social ills that have been visited upon us by successive wm regimes for which we did not vote.
myfairlady
27th Nov 2019
2
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what you say makes sense.. i would vote SNP if i was there .. great party . does good things and has great views.. and if i was there i'd hate to be any part of Tory Britain.. in fact i am here and hate being part of Tory Britain..
Raindrop
26th Nov 2019
4
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I retired when I was 52 through a slipped disc but lived off my husbands income. When he died suddenly last year I made a claim for pip and thank god I was accepted as this is my only income thank god I have some savings to help me too. I am now 63 and have another 3 years to wait for my pension which means I will have lost out on over £50.000. If Labour can do something about this I say give them a chance. Please read all JROBINSON posts below she seems to be the only one making any sense of this issue.
jrobinson
27th Nov 2019
3
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Thank you Raindrop.
RosemaryD4
26th Nov 2019
5
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Yes they are credible and as well as going some way to right the moral injustice of changing the goalposts of millions of people's retirement plans with no time to catch up, this will benefit the economy as was proven by the PPI redress boost. These monies are not 'something for nothing' as the lib dem leader stated on Marr but a recognition of lifetimes of NI contributions which will now allow many some well deserved respite from the worry and debt the SPA changes inflicted on them.
Sanderrah
26th Nov 2019
5
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I think we should be happy with this......I had to ‘retire’ 7 years ago aged 57 from my career as a physio with chronic pain and fatigue (which has now been diagnosed with MS). The year after I finished work in 2013 I did get a letter telling me I wouldn’t get my pension until I was 66. I was flabbergasted! So....instead of struggling through till I was 60, three years turned into nine! To say life is difficult is an understatement. This money would make the world of difference to my life, as I am not ‘disabled enough’ for any benefits, but my costs have gone up ie increased heating for my condition, needing a cleaner, aids and adaptations to my house etc.
jrobinson
26th Nov 2019
8
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I think it is a reasonable offer made by Labour for the 1950s born ladies. The compensation will be taxable and so some money will be going back into the tax system. Plus if the majority of women are like me they will spend it on services, food and retail which is also good for the economy since it supports jobs which in turn, support people in work and they will pay their taxes too. It’s a good way to feed money back into the system so everybody wins somewhere and money goes back in taxes all towards kick starting the economy.
JacquiW36
26th Nov 2019
1
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Its not in their manifesto! If it was credible it would be documented there.
Sanderrah
26th Nov 2019
5
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It is in the manifesto, just not detailed.
jeanus44
26th Nov 2019
5
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It is in the manifesto..Page 75 I think it was
JacquiW36
26th Nov 2019
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I don't think it is credible, due to the promise not being part of their manifesto.. so I'm not sure whether to vote labour until they make some clear documented details and promises how and when they will compensate us.
JayH8Blizz11P93
26th Nov 2019
5
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we should be compensated fully for our stolen pensions.!
GeraldineM46
26th Nov 2019
2
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Have you or will you have made the number of contributions required by the time you retire. Under current terms, you need at least 35 years of contributions. It's not about the retirement age, it's about your contributions. This entitles you to a full state pension. For example, if you started work at 18 and worked full time for 35 years (with no break) you would have amassed enough by the age of 53 if you take a break between it will take longer, therefore it could take you up to the set retirement age to qualify. Don't take this the wrong way I am all for the people who have made enough contributions by the age of 65 to be able to retire and draw a pension in their own rights. Did you also know that married women who have not contributed to a pension cannot get one?
Ukstande
26th Nov 2019
3
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The government have stolen my hard earned cash. If I had taken that amount from them I would be languishing in a prison cell. It's another example of being treated like I'm unimportant but funnily enough MY money was very important. Politicians are thieving liars.
Demijean
25th Nov 2019
7
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My husband passed away suddenly in June this year he was 70 and already retired I'm 63 and was hoping to retire at 60
If I had ...I could of had 3 precious years with him...im lost now and struggling not just emotionally but also financially...
RabHaw
25th Nov 2019
12
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Apparently Labour's plan to compensate the WASPI women will cost some £ 58 Billion . Bojo's retort that we have no money tree to cover this can be answered - found by: cancelling HS2 £ 80 Billion , Trident £ 100 Billion North/South London Crossrail ( £ ?? ) and not leaving the EU ( £ 50 Billion ) Paid four times over ! Let sanity prevail .
Sanderrah
26th Nov 2019
3
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Yes, and all the no deal planning money which probably will not (and should not) be needed. What a waste.......
JulieC92
25th Nov 2019
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I am one of these affected... it’s not just the fact that my pension has been deferred TWICE once to the age of 64 then to discover it has gone up to 66 ...it’s also a matter of how things were different when I started work in the late 60’s ...women were not allowed to join pension schemes in fact it was many many years later that I was eligible to do that ..we were never encouraged to do so ..but for me it’s the blatant inequality..my brother in law born March 1954 got pension Sept this year so a 6 month delay ..me born Oct 1954 has to wait 12 months ... so all this chat about making the pension age the same for men and women alike is just total trash
MaryN36
25th Nov 2019
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Is this just a ploy to get our vote ?
Maggiefaulkner
27th Nov 2019
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myfairlady
27th Nov 2019
3
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NO.. and what you got to loose.. vote hope
woolfysmum
25th Nov 2019
10
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This is money that is owed to us. A one off that would have to be paid anyway if the court case rules that way. It is the fair and just response we believed we would get after months of dialogue. Page 75 in the Labour Manifesto indicated that we hadn't been forgotten and I am delighted at this announcement.
TerryMc55
25th Nov 2019
3
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I am not clear how the compensation would be worked out. Using the calculator my friend would be entitled to £3000 more than me even though I will be waiting 9 months longer for my pension. We have both lost approximately £48000. I'm afraid I don't believe these glib promises. Just an easy way to attract votes. WASPI's are not that gullible!
myfairlady
26th Nov 2019
5
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oh do have faith.. give it a go.. you have nothing to loose and so much to gain.
GeraldineM46
26th Nov 2019
2
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Labour has made promises in the past, and as a consequence nearly bankrupt the country along with introducing high tax and national insurance contributions for everyone. Remember the rich will leave the country, and that means mass unemployment and definitely no money tree, Just a very large national debt again for the next party to clear up.
jeanus44
26th Nov 2019
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I think the waspi women have been having discussions with JC for a while now
myfairlady
27th Nov 2019
2
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yes many politicians have in the past done that.. but thats then and this is now.. we need a new type of politics and it begins with Corbyn.. vote hope.. it may just pan out.. nothing to loose.. unless your happy with the greed..
myfairlady
27th Nov 2019
2
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yes we have and many many Labour MP's have been very supportive..
Joalane56
28th Nov 2019
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If you look up the figures for our National Debt you would find it has nearly doubled since labour were last in Government!
That even after all the austerity measures that have left the most vulnerable devastated.
Also after robbing 24.2 Billion of ‘our’ National Insurance Fund. In other words ‘our’ pensions.
PaulineD11
25th Nov 2019
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As a 1956 born, I am affected. I do not anticipate seeing any compensation benefit as the vote buying ruse, is nothing more than that. Desperate measures for a desperate Labour Party, not budgeted, not thought through, not viable, not credible, not likely - as much as I would like to think it so.
myfairlady
27th Nov 2019
2
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vote hope.. it beats the current system..
Jakki
25th Nov 2019
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Apparently the raising of the women's retirement age came from an EU ruling. So if Labour win (haha!) we will be staying in the EU & it is probably against their rules to give anything back to us on the pensions! In fact half of what they're promising they won't be able to do either.
jrobinson
26th Nov 2019
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Please can I ask where you have got this information from since your comments here are totally incorrect. Our U.K. pensions are governed and collected and paid by the U.K., nothing whatsoever to do with the EU. We as U.K. do not decide what Spain, Italy and Poland and the rest of the EU. And the same applies they have no authority over our state pensions. Their state pensions ages are all different to ours too so why can they say what age we retire and what we get? It was George Osbourne the Tory chancellor who decided to raise the state pension age for women. There is a video of an interview he gave to an American audience available where he said raising the state pension age of women wa s the best ever single action he has made that made the best return financially back to the Government. Just after he chuckled to himself whilst Gloating his actions to the laughing audience. So you are incorrect with your comments made here. We as the U.K. do not say how the various EU countries spend their money with pensions and economy and they certainly do no tell us.
GeraldineM46
26th Nov 2019
2
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Sorry, you are wrong, the directive came from the EU. They are the governing body, not the UK parliament. We have no choice, the only choice we have is setting our own tax and national insurance rates, have you not heard of the hefty fines if we do not implement these directives? We cannot even set our own tariffs on goods from outside the EU. That is part of the membership.
jrobinson
26th Nov 2019
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Sovereignty is the authority of a country to govern itself d determine its own laws and polices. To do things in common with other countries , we have signed a number of treaties which pool Sovereignty. As an current EU member, a
Art from EU immigration and international trade ,our Government determining the vast majority of our polices and laws and controls more than 98% of its public spending.
However, in our national interest we chose to share some of our sovereignty within the EU. This by doing so puts us in a better position across many areas of our economy, security and international influence. The European court of justice confirmed our ultimate sovereignty in December 2018. It said if a member state has chosen to leave the EU and then changes it’s mind, it cannot ejected from the EU against its will. If we leave the EU and negotiate a trade agreement with the United States , well come under pressure to change policies like food standards or NHS bulk buying.
In summary

All members of the EU are sovereign and can chose to leave at any time. We in the U.K. decide our own laws and policies and have already ultimate Sovereignty. We in the U.K. choose to pool some of our Sovereignty in the EU, to achieve things we cannot achieve on our own. Any international treaty does exactly the same!
GeraldineM46
26th Nov 2019
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Please clarify the Trade tariffs imposed if we trade outside the EU, this is the Barrier imposed by the EU to any non-EU trade deal. Making it near impossible to trade outside of the Block.
GeraldineM46
26th Nov 2019
2
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Sovereignty does not apply to EU membership, that is totally different, we do not have sovereignty as long as we are ruled by the ECJ. (European Court of Justice). Sovereignty is about making your own Laws, not accepting the ECJ rulings and laws.
myfairlady
27th Nov 2019
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EU prompted equality it was down to individual countries how to go about it.. and what we got is far from it.. Labour will ask us whether we stay in or not now we are all better informed..there are no EU rules on compensating social wrongs.. quite the opposite.. the EU promote such actions.. and i think you will find the Labour manifesto spending pledge has been supported by many financial bodies.. Vote hope.. what you got to loose.. unless your happy with the greedy few having it all.
jrobinson
27th Nov 2019
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You are correct about about the U.K. they cannot set their own tariffs on goods outside the EU setting.
However you are totally incorrect about the EU they are not the Governing body over the U.K. we already and always have had our sovereignty it never left us.
If you are under this impression that we are actually governed (told what to do by the EU) why then are the U.K. state pensions not as generous as theirs are? This is where your argument actually falls down.
Wilf
1st Dec 2019
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A lot of the EU laws of which the UK participated in are very credible
MazB2
25th Nov 2019
9
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It's morally credible and we all know there are billions of pounds held in reserve, so why not?
Rellis672
25th Nov 2019
9
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It needs to be credible because successive governments have raided the NI fund which we paid into in good faith in the expectation of getting our pensions at 60. No notification from the DWP means women who have suffered inequality all their lives are now put in poverty. This is at a time when they should be putting their feet up after 35 to 40 years of work. Although I say put their feet up many are still caring for grandchildren and elderly parents.
Felix1
25th Nov 2019
3
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Sadly, I do not believe any of our parties promises.
Yvonnemcnamara
25th Nov 2019
5
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So you can vote for a party that says they will do something, or vote for one that says they wont. Hardly a choice at all. I have confidence labour will do what they say but even if you are not so sure why would you vote for one that says they definitely wont?
GillianR31
25th Nov 2019
4
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I’d like to know where they are going to get the money from. Don’t believe what any of the parties say to be honest. Thus country is going to rack and ruin.
Yvonnemcnamara
25th Nov 2019
5
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If you feel so negative why wouldnt you take a chance on this. By refusing to accept this could be a genuine offer you are denying people like me the money they have earned and contributed all these years.
LizB35
26th Nov 2019
2
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There is money there for this believe me, there is always money to throw at other countries in a crisis so this is now a UK crisis against 50s woman.
I believe labour will follow through on this as there would be utter outrage if not. What have we got to lose.
GillR6
25th Nov 2019
5
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Whilst I appreciate labour are trying to do something to address the injustice, it is not fair to everyone. Those born later in the 50's will more or less be ignored. Also too many unanswered questions, will it be taxed? Will it affect those on benefits? I would be far happier if they levelled spa at 63 for both sexes and gave all 1950's women £5000 for each year they have lost over 60. Much fairer way as everyone gets treated the same.
jrobinson
26th Nov 2019
4
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It will be taxed I am sure of that but in many ways that is what pays for the offer in place. It may have an affect on benefits like UC but Corbyn has also said he will remove UC since it has never worked and is demeaning on the people who have to claim this benefit. All taxes paid goes back to government, and people with money usually spend it to. Which in turn feeds money into the food, retail and work sectors. It’s a way of getting the economy working again. Let’s face it at our ages what is the point of keeping all what we get in the bank? We cannot take it with us when we die, so my philosophy is to save a little for emergencies but spend also to enjoy the last few years of my life and or treat the family too. So all benefit in some way.
RobinaM4
25th Nov 2019
6
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Just a ruse to get women to vote then once there sucked in no money. If it does happen I will ride my pink unicorn through the streets of London
Yvonnemcnamara
25th Nov 2019
3
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Corbyn has the voting record of a principled human being. Why not give him a chance - you have nothing to lose but your cynicism
LizB35
26th Nov 2019
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Just as well there is no such thing as unicorns then
GeraldineM46
26th Nov 2019
2
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Corbyn is a communist, and as such has a record of voting against any defence's bill. He is anti sovereignty and wants to make the poor poorer with his views, anyway at the end of the day Corbyn is just a figurehead, incapable of making any decisions. John Macdonald is the force behind labour.
jrobinson
26th Nov 2019
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Making people poorer, now? He’s agree Corbyn is the leader of the Labour Party and all within the Labour Party so contribute and make sound proposals. John McDonnel is an excellent shadow chancellor and had the pleasure of meeting him last year. He gave a very good down to Earth speech about what Labour are intending to do if they can get elected first.
So not sure what you mean about Sovereignty and how Corbyn will make people poorer surely that’s is exactly what the Tory party and Boris Johnson has done. Rolling out UC, pip assessments sending people back to work only for them to either die in the job centre whilst being told this news or either the day before or the day after they returned to work. Not doing anything to give back the 1950s ladies state pensions they have robbed of us. Have you got Corbyn mixed up with Boris Johnson here?
Billythequiche
25th Nov 2019
1
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None of their ideas are credible. This is just a cheap vote grabbing exercise. None of the current crop of MPs of all parties are believable. Swinson rates a special award for utter arrogance and condescension. She actually thinks she knows better than the majority that voted leave and that she could really be prime minister. She probably thinks she looks good too, maybe therapy would help.
I at first feared Corbyn and his politburo were trying to take us back to the seventies, but no, they are trying to take us back to East Germany. They think that stealing our married couples tax allowance is a blow for equality???
jrobinson
26th Nov 2019
3
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It is all about the wider view of the economy. O.K don’t vote for Corbyn and no woman gets anything for their increased age state pension. Yeh that will show them! And have another 5 years of Austerity, more misery with UC and homeless increasing.
The marriage allowance as it exist for the Mortin of the benefit of men. If men’s incomes were in the next tax threshold up and their wives income was either below the Tax bracket or in the first tax threshold then the man/husband could offset part of his income onto his wife tax threshold. This allowed him to pay less tax and the wife to pay a little more. The benefit at the end of the day was negligible. But some would say a benefit is better than none. By removing the marriage tax allowance not only is it equality for both husband and wife but equally for cohabiting couples who are not married. So it’s really is a much needed update to paying our taxes and an equal all round system of doing so.
Billythequiche
26th Nov 2019
1
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For certain we hold very different opinions of the wider view and that is as it should be. This is one of the few forums available for reasoned and sincerely held views to be heard without insults or other unreasonable behaviour.
To expand on the point of the tax allowance, may I explain our position? I have been retired for 5 years, my wife 4. I chose to forego some luxuries over the years to pay into pension schemes in order to make retirement more comfortable. I have this plus state pension, so with the wife's state pension we receive no other benefits and I pay Income Tax at standard rate; my wife pays no tax. We heard that we could apply to have part of her tax allowance (as a non tax payer) transferred to me. This not an inconsiderable sum. To lose this would hurt.
This is one of my fears among many others of a lower standard of living to pay for grandiose schemes that will plunge us into recession and bankruptcy. I also fear that the next generation will not be allowed, under Labour, to make that choice to provide for retirement as saving becomes a dirty word. I worry that many will be encouraged to choose a life on benefits. A lot of us remember the state of nationalised industries and the power of unions to ensure that these industries got the lions share of pay while the majority in the country just suffered the strikes and inefficiencies.
Sorry, this is not a political rant, just an airing of feelings of uncertainty. There must be a better way than very right against very left. I have advocated a "Grey Party" to try and moderate but we have seen the results since the Referendum of an impotent parliament. Alas, the Liberals are no longer a viable proposition.
Lastly, I fear the death of democracy as we know it. I voted to remain out of fear of the unknown but accepted the result as I would a local or general election. The behaviour of the EU and many remainers convince me that the result was right. No amount of rhetoric can justify ignoring the result.
calmrob
25th Nov 2019
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I was born in 1954 and have had 6 years added, will be 66 years old before I get a pension. Labour will not honour this action if they win the election. They as much as conservative were the ones to put these new pension measures in place. I have lost 6 years of pension so how can they compensate for that and afford to pay millions of women what they have lost. I dont think so.
GillianR31
25th Nov 2019
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jrobinson
26th Nov 2019
3
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Labour have never voted on increasing the woman’s state pension retirement age. There is a chart available online showing how Labour and some of the Lib Dem’s who did not vote on the increase of women’s state pension age. I too will be 66 years old when I get my state pension too. Having listened to all political parties on this subject out of them all, only Labour/Corbyn has put any offer on the table. There is also the result pending from the appeal of the Back to 60 group still to be heard. So all is not lost yet. The result of the pis appeal may change the offer who knows? I we don’t vote than the Tory party will win by default and we have a possible another 5 years waiting for a payout. Some of us might not make another 5 years! Or we vote for a political party with an offer on the table and get something that’s what we all have to consider on the 12th December.
LizB35
26th Nov 2019
1
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Well you will never know if you don’t at least try, who else is even trying to compensate 50s born at the very least Labour are the only ones who are even listening to our woes.
DozA
25th Nov 2019
2
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This is just a fat juicy carrot that could,nt possibly be honoured.. just more pre election rubbish its not even on the grim reapers manifesto!
Its an insult to women... it was labour who strated the increased age in pension in 2006 Hypocrits!
jrobinson
26th Nov 2019
1
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It was George Osborne the Tory party chancellor of the exchecker who raised the state pension age for women. So if Labour do not win this election we then have another 5 years to wait till another chance to vote then. The choice is ours to make who we vote for, since it’s the only offer being made, Boris has shown his true blue colour and said No to us, others have darted around the issue but not made any firm commitment, your decision at the end of the day.
LizB35
26th Nov 2019
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You are 100% wrong on both accounts actually it’s is not there manifesto and labour most defiantly did not vote for a raise in our pension ages.
Pablo1962
25th Nov 2019
6
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It's the first real hope the WASPI Women have had. There's no chance of the conservatives doing anything for them after renaging on their promise and I actually believe that Labour will honour this promise.
TrudyT6
25th Nov 2019
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It's not in the manifesto so they dont have to act on it. Smacks of desperation to me. I'm a waspi woman and I dont believe a word of it. They are just so desperate for votes they are latching on to any group that might vote for them if they promise them what they want.
jrobinson
26th Nov 2019
1
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So what do we do now, sit on our laurels and do nothing wait another 5 years and see who offering anything then?
LynneT87
25th Nov 2019
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It is just a ploy to get these women to vote Labour there is no money to compensate anyone. I have been affected by the change but I knew about it when it was announced in budget in 1995 so I knew that if I wanted to retire at 60 I would have to save more which is what I did
kentrix39
25th Nov 2019
0
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Like anything else the."Grimy Granpa,", has to say utter rubbish a la Blair
jrobinson
26th Nov 2019
1
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The Blairites government indeed did a lot of damage to the Labour image but the Blair government was NEW labour and nothing like the Labour standards and values. Corbyn is a true Labour and why call him Grimy Granpa, that is an age discrimination comment. Yes he is 70 years old but why call him that? If he has radical ideas to get the U.K. back into action with sound up ideas about saving the climate and offering greener working ideals then why dish him about his age. Yes he is a mature person and with maturity comes experience and understanding. He has very good credentials on all aspects of leadership for the U.K. and his spending has been fully costed and checked by independent financial companies. I think we should consider his radical ideas which are beneficial to both younger and older members and all of our society which is fair.
lkrae
25th Nov 2019
1
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As a late 1957 birthday I am very concerned at the way this has been done which is tapered and benefits those born in the early to mid 50s substantially more, even although we have all lost 6 years of state pension. There seems to be a very steep downward curve of compensation from April 1957 onwards. I feel this is very divisive. Atm whether it is ever going to happen or not, is secondary to my concern over the financial disparity it could create. However, at least one Party is attempting to do something and not just offer words of sympathy!
Dneh
25th Nov 2019
4
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I should be getting my pension now but I can't see them refunding that amount of money. Labour are just promising everything and would bleed the country dry. I would rather stick pins in my eyes than vote for Jeremy Corbyn!
jrobinson
26th Nov 2019
1
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Yeh let’s not vote for Corbyn so we can have 5 more years of the same old same old rubbish politics ha ha that will show them....... apart from Corbyn nobody else is offering anything but more of the same, and that’s better?
Yagala
25th Nov 2019
1
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As a migrant into the UK of 50 years ago, I did find it very strange when my wife reached the ag of 65 and had to wait till the next year to receive her due pension.
That is the problem with this country, old antique thinking from the dark ages to go into today's thinking.
The thinking will never get changed until this country accepts the fact that we are all living in 2019 and not in 1719 anymore.
jrobinson
26th Nov 2019
2
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So the Johnson proposal is to take state pension age to 75 years old for both men and women. Life expectations have dropped over the last 5 years. Why? Probably due to the poverty rates soaring, due to no disabled benefits, bad pip assessments, the roll out of Universal credit? Homeless dying on the streets each day. Suicide rates up especially in young men even young student in 6th form and dying due to suicide. Is this not taking us back to Dickensian days now?
Can you imagine the pain and discomfort of having to work till your 75. Having probably worked zero hours contracts, been part of the working poor using food banks. What planet are you living on think I need to live there too, since it’s nothing like the miserable unfair place where I am living.
Many of my friends have not made it to the age of 60 let alone 66 so expectation many people will still be working supporting themselves at 75 is going to be very few.
JenniferT57
25th Nov 2019
2
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They will promise the stars to get into power, yet are mostly dead set on remaining in, and strengthening further, the UK’s commitment to the EU. The problem is most of their promises cannot be achieved without vastly increasing the National debt and the EU has strict limits on the amount of national borrowing any Member Country is permitted to have, thus making their ambitions in regard to one incompatible with the other
jrobinson
26th Nov 2019
1
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Have you seen the latest figures available on what the Tory party have spent so far. It’s nowhere near how much previous Labour Government have spent so far! Look at Chris Graylings failed contracts, HS2 way over budget and no track laid as yet. Money spent to get Brexit done taken 3 years and still no deal accepted or protection of workers rights. So think the Tory party knows well and truly how to spend the tax payers money.
swaneldo
25th Nov 2019
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Politician + credible = oxymoron
Sharon149
25th Nov 2019
4
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Absolutely beggars belief- how gullible do they think we are? Remember the student loan fiasco? An insult to all the women like me who have been dismissed so casually.
jrobinson
26th Nov 2019
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The student loan fiasco was created by the coalition Government with the TORY and the LIB DEM party. Nothing to do with Labour!
Mandysu
6th Dec 2019
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Not sure what you mean by “student loans fiasco” abolishing student loans is still in the Labour manifesto.
smreynard
25th Nov 2019
3
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It's better than nothing but very unfairly worked out. They have a calculator on the WASPI website where you put in your date of birth. I would get just over £16k spread over five years. My friend who is 3.5 years older than me would get £27k plus her pension that she already got at age 63 makes her total £45k by the time she is 66! This has not been thought out properly. Don't be fooled to vote for Labour, all the other parties have mentioned WASPI women in their manifestos so the Tories are under pressure to do something for us. The Treasury had told Boris it would cost £170 billion to give back what we've lost. Labour are offering only £58 billion, so I'm sure the Tories can now review it and come up with something.
Miriamfriend
25th Nov 2019
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Yes my prediction 18,600 . I am 57 born April 9th my friend the same age burn January is predicted to recieve 26,400????
Yvonnemcnamara
25th Nov 2019
2
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You are talking about the tory party that has been responsible for driving nearly a third of women and children into abject poverty.
AngelaM43
25th Nov 2019
5
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I have lost four years pension. I have begun to go to foodbanks. I'm at my lowest ebb financially. The labour party promises this to us but actually we need dates, timescale and amounts of money, I'm hanging on a thread and can't wait. Working for 50 year's into a corrupt system, Corbyn can't just make a promise, he had to keep it while so many woman are suffering. Unfortunately I don't have any faith in politicians anymore each generation gets more corrupt and out to line their own pockets. This country needs to develop HUMANITY
Pablo1962
25th Nov 2019
2
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It's simple - Johnson has said he will not honour his promise to help - what else can you do other than trust Labour?
jrobinson
26th Nov 2019
1
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Yes they do need to develop humanity, I agree wholeheartedly the Tory Government are not interested in the working poor or those with modest savings. They do look after themselves very nicely and intend to to that more often too if they are voted into power on the 12th December.
Food banks and UC are demeaning way of treating hard working people who for the grace of god anyone, one day might find themselves needing help with life. Nobody wishes to be poor we all want a slice of the life cake and we should be way ahead in the rest of the world for advances in technology and quality of life with greener working practices and developing change to help the climate before it’s too late. Corbyn has some very radical ideas on getting is back up to being a leading nation where equality goes without saying not having to fight for equality is a great step forward.
Witneymum
25th Nov 2019
9
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I am one of those 3.7 million women affected; however, although I am incredibly annoyed at the way the decisions were administered, the reality of the situation is that the government cannot afford to pay all of us. I wish they could. Labour’s plan to pay women would be so expensive that future generations will end up paying for past government’s mistakes. What people should also remember is that it was a Labour government that decided this in the first place and then did not promote it properly to the women affected so that we could save appropriately. I wish I could retire, but unfortunately I will have to stick it out until pension age.
bob scott
25th Nov 2019
4
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I am not a female effected by these circumstances, but I feel for them, because I have a longer memory due to! than most. some 30.years ago when we relied on state pension only. 15. years before I was due to retire, the state pension was cut and private pensions were put into place. This ended up with me not having a viable top up pension when I retired. So what I am saying is promises are all very well? Until in later years some body pull the rug from under you.
Flick55
25th Nov 2019
2
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Absolutely fantastic result from years of hard campaigning from Labour.
I am thrilled.
JudyN1
25th Nov 2019
3
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Sounds like a Good Election puller.But cant see it Ever Happening.Yes we've been badly treated but think on the whole so the rest of the pensioners in the UK.Why can Europe pay out so much more to there retirees.Where does there money come from.Cut the subsidies for our greedy Mps would raise quite a few million for a start.Also the big tax breaks our super rich enjoy.Money could be raised if wealth was more evenly distributed....
sandrawismer
25th Nov 2019
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Would be grateful for any compensation for this disgraceful theft of women who paid in all our lives - the government have plenty to give away to undeserving causes!
CathH17
25th Nov 2019
9
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Just an attempt to buy votes by an increasingly desperate Labour party.
JC57
25th Nov 2019
4
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There policies are out there with the fairies and unicorns and not forgetting the magic money tree!
JC57
25th Nov 2019
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jrobinson
26th Nov 2019
0
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Only the Tory party have invented that word Money tree. Yes Labour Party has radical ideas but sound ones too. Which are far better than the Tory party since they have inflicted austerity on us which was not our fault the world banking crisis caused this problem
Lindsey Queenan
25th Nov 2019
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As a Waspi woman I would love to believe this. However as a reasonably intelligent woman I know it will never happen, it is just a desperate attempt to win votes. I for one am not falling for it!
Pablo1962
25th Nov 2019
2
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So stick with Johnson who will not help you? That's cutting your nose off etc. Crazy logic!
Lindsey Queenan
25th Nov 2019
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It's not crazy logic it's being realistic! Corbyn has not said how he will pay for this or indeed what form the compensation will take.
Pablo1962
26th Nov 2019
2
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So vote for the bloke who has said you're not getting anything! How does that work?
jrobinson
26th Nov 2019
0
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O.k wait another 5 years till the next option is offered?
Lindsey Queenan
26th Nov 2019
2
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If we have to endure 5 years of a Labour government not sure there will be many options left! I would never vote Labour but, if the nightmare happens and they do win I shall use my promised £1,000's to take lots of holidays
[deleted]
25th Nov 2019
5
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smreynard
25th Nov 2019
4
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Manifesto promises are not legally binding unfortunately.
Mary Lincoln
25th Nov 2019
2
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No he would change his mind before it becomes law He needs to think about the thousands of women who gave up good jobs to stay at home to bring up their children. They also lost their pension,but we were there for our children coming home from school.
SharonS57
25th Nov 2019
8
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Yes our pension is not a benefit, we paid class A into this , not the reduced class B for married women who ended up with a token gesture of a pension until their husbands retired.
If we are unable to do the strenuous jobs some are doing ladies will need sickness benefit which is a benefit, some are doing this already if unable to work. These women would have now been on a state pension, paid for, for 35 plus years. No one minds paying National insurance into the NHS as it provides our GP, Dentist ( if you can get one ) etc...
But even the current pension would be enough for a lot of ladies to live on instead of holding onto jobs. Many of us have elderly parents, grown up children with children of their own. The role of grandparents was to help with childcare etc... as their children have to work full time for a pension they will NEVER get. My own children are aware a government pension will never exist. But can’t pay enough into a private or works pension as they’re paying high rents etc...
Juicy123
25th Nov 2019
7
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Its a start but its not fairly distributed in its current form. At last one party is prepared to try and fix the i justice. Women born after 1955 are getting very little and its spread over 5 years but we are the ones working an extra 6 years whereas before the dates were staggered no one working a further 6 years! It needs re negotiation with the pension groups and Labour working together. I want to know if 1950s are going to be eligible for pension credit if out of work as now they have to claim unemployment benefit. Our state pensions are not a benefit!
smreynard
25th Nov 2019
2
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Yes, it has been worked out very unfairly.
SusanneJ5
25th Nov 2019
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JanniP92
25th Nov 2019
2
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I would love to believe it was true, but sadly I think it’s just a ploy to grab a few votes.
JohnW678
25th Nov 2019
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WASPI women will just have to work on and enjoy their jobs. There are no guarantees in life and things rarely work out as we expect. There seems to be a misconception about how the State Pension works with Labour party leaders going about "what WASPI women have paid in." In fact they have not paid in anything because the State Pension does not have a fund like private pension schemes.
The State pension is funded by those working via their National insurance contributions and when they reach the age they then in turn can claim their pension.
Of course many people die before reaching that age and they and their dependents receive absolutely nothing.
It is not equitable therefore to treat any group in society differently and give them preferential treatment.
LynnM35
25th Nov 2019
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So if you were suddenly told that you'd have to wait an extra 6 years before getting your state pension you'd find that acceptable? I doubt you'd happily continue to go on enjoying your job because life rarely works out as one expects it to.
StuartR1
25th Nov 2019
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You’ve missed the point completely. It’s not a question of keeping on working. Most WASPI women aren’t working and can’t get jobs.. You try getting ANY job in your 50s as an unemployed man these days, never mind as an unemployed woman in her 60s. These women should be retired but they can’t retire because their pensions were taken away and they have no means or time to make up the difference. There should be no talk of whether any government can afford this it is not their money in the first place. If I stole from you and was told to give it back would you accept me not doing so because I couldn’t afford it? Would you keep trying to get a job to earn that money back even though nobody wanted to hire you for any job let alone a half decent one?
JulieC92
25th Nov 2019
1
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Well you are a very nice man ..err not
Understand nothing
myfairlady
25th Nov 2019
1
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as a WASPI i feel the Labour party have fully taken on board our issues and if given the chance right this wrong as well as many other social injustices.. i truly look forward to a brave new world on the 13th as i for 1 can not bear any more of this stale old one..
RabHaw
25th Nov 2019
2
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Glad to see that this most relevant cause has been brought to the surface . Of course there is no " bottomless pit " of bucks to fall back on although BoJo and his cohorts are just a s bad if not worse than the fence sitting Corbynites when it comes to promising never ending goodies to the " gullible " populous ! Scrap the utterly useless nuclear " deterrents " and be realistic in this day and age and rely on conventional weapons . The money is there Wilf - just not been allocated to the right cause !
Wilf
25th Nov 2019
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But it does lack credibility RabHaw when they don't put it in the manifesto and it suddenly appears yesterday? Anyone would have to ask why especially when it would cost £60 billion and their manifesto costs were £83 billion. Has it been thought through? Doesn't look like it. Women have been totally wronged by this pension fiasco but a half baked election promise will not sort it.
StuartR1
25th Nov 2019
2
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It is restitution not a benefit. If the court case is won any government will have to pay it all back because it was never their money in the first place. It had been promised to these women and then taken away leaving many with nothing.
Mandysu
6th Dec 2019
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It is in the manifesto
Ratz
25th Nov 2019
3
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I am sorry but it’s only a ploy to get votes, remember it was Labour & Blair that first proposed increasing pension age, although it was the tories that implemented it( why didn’t the rest of parliament try to block it?)
Sadly I can see nobody ( women or men) getting anything back from any government
myfairlady
25th Nov 2019
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still that was then and this is now.. let hope have a chance.
MaryL6
25th Nov 2019
4
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I fully support these women with their claims about their pensions. I was born 1953 too. However at this stage for labour to offer this money smacks as buy votes. If they felt this was unjust at the time why didn’t they stand up at the time and fight for the pensions. They are just trying to get voters from anywhere they can
Ramie
25th Nov 2019
4
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I believe they will impleent this and it will be affordable. It is something that needs to be addressed, the Tory's are not interested. They have borrowed much more than any previous Labour government but the beneficiaries of Tory policy are big business and high earners while we paid for it through austerity. Let's see justice done for these women and stop believing the Daily Wail and the rest of the Tory press.
Wilf
25th Nov 2019
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Hold on! The Labour manifesto did not mention this and now they have added £60 billion which is nearly twice as much as our annual defence budget? Am I missing something here? I agree our women have been totally lied to by the Government. A couple of years ago I think it was Andrea Leadsom was asked why none of the Uks women knew about the changes in pension law. She replied it had been published years ago so they should know. YES but the government had NOT communicated it Andrea! Why have we got such a lot of donkeys in Parliament? Back to Corbyn. He really should not be running the UK...I can just imagine one of his advisers saying late last week "I know lets get all the Waspi Womens votes and we will pay them all back" Budgets dear boy budgets. Its like a family if you cannot bring in the money you cannot afford it. Jeremy who has never done a proper days work in his life needs to get a grip.
StuartR1
25th Nov 2019
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It was in the manifesto
ElaineF21
25th Nov 2019
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Has Jeremy Corbyn said he will pay credit cards off yet ?
skippysdad
25th Nov 2019
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no doubt they will give it a go,its a sore point with many and it will boost the economy as extra money for low income people is spent back in the economy and not saved up.
SharonS57
25th Nov 2019
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It will never happen, it’s just a ploy to win votes. I am one of those women who will lose approx £62,000 as my retirement went from 60 to 68.. I have a job which will be near impossible at age 68 as it’s hard enough now. But government are not going to give me that money back.i have alreadyqualify for a full class A pension at 60 just like thousands of others at this time. We will get nothing just slog our guts out until 68 which will no doubt be 75 by the time we get to 68. Don’t fall for it any of you ladies. Keep working and steal jobs from the young people as we have no other option now. Most of us would have retired at 60 giving our jobs to young people, now we can’t unless we are politicians who will get their fat pensions at 60. We had no time to prepare for this. Our lost pension can enable people to have free nhs care by just arming in the country.
myfairlady
25th Nov 2019
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it obviously pains you so why not give hope a chance.. vote for social justice..you never know he may just deliver..
StuartR1
25th Nov 2019
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It’s probably the only chance you have so my advice would be to go for it. What is to lose? You’ve already lost and it will stay lost if you don’t vote to try to get it back.
DavidD15
25th Nov 2019
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How can you just whistle up 59 billion pounds.

I have been reading some of the sob stories and they just do not seam credible.

Asolicitor not offered a workplace pension or a nurse.

They clearly did not take up the option

I worked in the NHS and I know of numerous women who did not take them up.

Planning for your retirement does not take place in the last few years. You should be preparing over your working life

These changes were well discussed in the media.

Look the courts have decided the government has no case to answer. I bet most women were happy with the courts verdicts on brexit.

Do they realise it iz their children that will be paying this.
ralphsgranny
25th Nov 2019
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Well, it’s not in their manifesto so it’s really just a carrot they’re dangling to generate votes. I can’t see how it would be credible, given the spending they have already outlined. I take exception though, with the Silversurfers’s comment in the post that ‘WASPI women believe....’ We don’t ‘believe’ - it’s an absolute fact that we have been disadvantaged! Thanks for the opportunity to vent!
StuartR1
25th Nov 2019
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It is in the manifesto.
Carol6
25th Nov 2019
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I do not trust Labour. They are again promising billions in payouts to all and sundry. At the end of the day it all has to be paid for. It will be my children and grandchildren who have to pay for Labours spending and I do not want to put that burden on them just to get my pension money paid. I am not well off by any means. I live hand to mouth but the fear of Labour getting into power is overwhelming. I will definately not be voting for labour just over the pension issue. This lot of Labour leaders frighten me as they are obviously terrorist friends and are going to open our borders to all and sundry . Giving the vote to 16 year olds !!! and non UK citizens !!! No the promise of my pension money is definately not worth the risk. Also I want Brexit done.
myfairlady
25th Nov 2019
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you fear social change and social justice.. really.. OMG.. you need support to see the light.. i fear my people dying from Tory austerity.. check out the figures.. its a national disgrace.. i want fair play and hope.. as does Corbyn.. vote for hope.. it may well do some good..
CarolH283
25th Nov 2019
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I am a 50s lady affected by the 2 hikes in pa.Although I would love to have some recompence I believe Labours promise is one to lure us ladies to vote for them just the same as tuition fees.
Mandysu
6th Dec 2019
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Abolishing tuition fees is still in the manifesto.
Chris2554
25th Nov 2019
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As much as I would like to believe, I fear more empty promises. The country does not have the money for all Labour promises.
myfairlady
25th Nov 2019
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oh it has the money alright.. its about chooses.. choose hope.. vot Labour.. we had enough of the dark..
StuartR1
25th Nov 2019
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Mandysu
6th Dec 2019
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It does.! The manifesto is fully costed and the announcement about compensating the WASPI women had an explanation of how it would be funded.
Wolflover
25th Nov 2019
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This is just an empty promises like so many of the politicians give, I too am one of those affected and I believe it as much as I believe I'll be rich one day which of course will never happen, politicians open their mouths and a lot of hot air comes out and empty promises, believe me I would love to receive the compensation but do I think I will get it, no.
myfairlady
25th Nov 2019
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well you def wont if you do not vote for it..give hope a chance.
Ian123
25th Nov 2019
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Knee jerk politics. This lot, of every party, will see an opportunity to steal votes and promise the earth whilst delivering very little that is not of financial benefit to themselves.
It is absolutely disgraceful that what has happened to these women, but there is a bright side.
The money cheated from them ensures that there is enough in the pot to ensure that those who brought in this legislation will continue to receive their very much gold plated pensions and other perks not available to the peasant classes, of which I class myself as one in our so called classless society.
Mandysu
6th Dec 2019
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If you don’t like the way things are - vote Labour, the only Party that is trying to change things.
Ian123
6th Dec 2019
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Dear me. Thanks for your well meant suggestion, but I would rather put pins in my eyes than vote for Labour.
Boris is a blatant liar, even unable, or perhaps unwilling to confess how many children he has.
Even those close to him and previous employers vouch to his inability to relay the truth.
Corbyn watches the Queen’s speech on Christmas morning,
That is until his interviewer pointed out that it is broadcast in the afternoon.
The Daily Mail has this week exposed the fact that an IRA terrorist was immediately housed in Corbyns constituency after his release from prison.
Thoroughly corrupt, the lot of them.
Robert Mugabe must be bemoaning his luck that he wasn’t born in this country.
Kes
24th Nov 2019
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It wasn’t in the Labour manifesto. They have only come up with this vague promise following the response that Boris Johnson gave to the question asked by the Waspi lady. Labour do not give enough details about who would get what, or when. Now they want to dangle a wonky carrot in front of 3.7 million women in the hoping of grabbing their vote. They have had full knowledge of this pensions fiasco and betrayal for years and have chosen to do nothing to help the 50’s women, who have been robbed of their retirement livelihoods. Bear in mind that manifestos are not legal lying binding documents, nor are they guaranteed promises. Many things that appear in political party manifestos never come to fruition, yet we are asked to believe that something that wasn’t even accounted or costed for in the labour manifesto until a few hours ago, will actually happen. As MunsterLander inferred, flying pigs come to mind.
myfairlady
25th Nov 2019
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Labour have been support WASPI women for some time and their manifesto was out (thursday) before the interview on election QA ,Friday..vote for hope..
MrsPat
24th Nov 2019
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I am one of these ladies and have been really upset with all parties as our pensions have been stolen from us. Good on you Jeremy. If this happens I will love you forever.
myfairlady
25th Nov 2019
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yay.. so its not all right wingers on here..
Munsterlander
24th Nov 2019
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I have just seen this on BBC. Maybe I am dreaming is this 3 years time and another election or did Labour already "pledge £83 billion on this election and now they want to spend £60 billion on these payments to "waspi" women. Don't get me wrong my wife would benefit but I did just see a pink pig fly by the full moon.
myfairlady
25th Nov 2019
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try voting for hope.. beats the alternative..
Marley444
24th Nov 2019
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I am one of the women who this impacts, however I am very sceptical about this new promise from Labour. I watched the TV debates and there was no mention of it then on Friday by Jeremy Corbyn, which makes me very suspicious. If it wasn't in their original manifesto then where on earth is the money going to come from?? This just makes me think that they have no means to fund any of what they are proposing!! I think they are playing with the emotions of people like me to try and sway my thinking, which is quite a scary prospect. Can't trust any of them to be honest!
myfairlady
25th Nov 2019
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let hope have a chance.it beats the alternative..
myfairlady
25th Nov 2019
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vote for hope.beats the alternative..
Wilf
25th Nov 2019
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We all vote for hope. The problem is in the UK nobody represents "hope"
Mandysu
6th Dec 2019
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Labour is”Hope”. The only party that is trying to change things. Give them a chance!
Wilf
6th Dec 2019
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They do have some good ideas but I worry they will bankrupt the country doing them.

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