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Is there now equality for women in the workplace?

The five leading roles in the UK are now held by women

It’s 2017 and the top jobs in our country are now all held by women.  The Queen has reigned for over 63 years, Teresa May was elected as Prime Minister in 2016, Cressida Dick has just been appointed as the new Metropolitan Police commissioner, becoming the first woman to take charge of London’s police force in its 188-year history. The current Home Secretary is Amber Rudd, and Nicola Sturgen is the First Minister of Scotland.

More and more companies are getting wise to the importance of gender equality in the workplace. Studies have shown that more women means better decision-making, more innovation, and even greater financial returns.

However, women occupy less than a quarter of UK board positions. Britain falls short of European average, with just 23.2% of women in board seats last year.

What are your views?  Is there now equality for women in the workplace? Is ‘Girl Power’ alive and kicking? Or is there still some way to go?

Is there now equality for women in the workplace?

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WATERSPRITE
2 days ago
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I lived in a mining area and no women were protesting because they were not allowed to work down the mines.
My sister was one of the first women to qualify as a bank manager and had to finish the finals by correspondence course.
My brother left school with no qualifications and when he retired was the consultant accountant for the whole world in a large multi national finance company.
There is every opportunity in Britain for those prepared to put the work in but we seem to have a gimmee society.
pamflower
4 days ago
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There are men who think women should be seen and not heard. There are men who think they would be better as a boss. Women are better at multi-tasking and should be allowed to have power in
any type of job if they have the qualifications. Gone are the days when women are supposed to wait on a man hand and foot, men should learn to be self-sufficient at an early age.
Happychap
12th Mar 2017
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I believe there is equality in the workplace for women, if they want it. A vacancy should be filled by the best suited aplicant, male or female. It must not be given to a female just a meet a quota & put a tick in the box. If a woman wants to be a Coal miner & has the ability to do the job, she should have the same chance of getting the job as a male.
The problem is if she is the only female in the job, does she use the same facilities as the other male employees or does the employer have to bear the cost of providing facilities for the one female? Only to find that after a relatively short time the female resigns from the job!
The other small problem is that females do get pregnant & thus leave a job, sorry go on maternity leave & may or may not return. The employer has to find, employ somebody to cover, why a small employer may not be able to afford to do.
Going back to the original question, yes there is most cases equality in the workplace, but females cannot have their cake & eat it.
Jenninora
12th Mar 2017
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Well put.
Not a level playing field, is it?
Newlife
12th Mar 2017
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Definitely things are improving however there is still a long way to go. It takes time for attitudes to change.
johnjoemac
11th Mar 2017
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Women are in many top roles in industry, politics, media - especially TV sport and in education to name a few. Perhaps they don't yet occupy 50% of these roles they are getting there and are more than capable of fulfilling these roles. Unfortunately, those women without an education or in those jobs of influence are still without influence, some perhaps care more for their children and family rather than a top job, it is similar for men in the same circumstance. We are getting closer to fairness and parity and we will continue to edge closer in time.
Barton babe
10th Mar 2017
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Things are getting better but there is a long way to go yet. If you have been lucky enough to have a good education, then you stand a good chance of getting on the top ladder. Those not so lucky will still be at the bottom of that ladder. If a woman is doing the same job as a man, she should be getting same pay.
bea747
13th Mar 2017
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It is not a question of luck - education is avaiable to all who desire it and choose it.
bea747
13th Mar 2017
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Hazbeck48
10th Mar 2017
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Despite legislation against gender discrimination, firms, institutions and organisations, especially large ones, can usually find a way around this....and do!
Peter52
10th Mar 2017
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Everyone should be equal.Male female, black or white.
bluemoon239
10th Mar 2017
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Equality ? I think we should just have the best man or woman for the job. No point in striving for equality after all it's just numbers.
And why does this only come up once a year ?
Equality in the whole system woul be better which will probably never happen.
siquid
10th Mar 2017
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They are a different species,thank goodness!
pickles_mummy
8th Mar 2017
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I worked in an all female department but in other areas of my workplace men and women were definately NOT equal
biker babe
7th Mar 2017
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Depends what job it is, common sense isnt always so common.
gailyp63
2nd Mar 2017
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i believe women are being taken more serious in the workplace and are more confident to question sexism .There still need to be more done to ensure equal right If a job needs to be done no matter what ur sex its who can do it to meet the criteria required.
ecarg
2nd Mar 2017
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Equality - prehaps it should be about respect.Respect the woman for being the child bearer .Allow her progress in the workplace to continue after maternity leave on the same path as if she had stayed in place.Respect that men do a lot of jobs that many women wouldn't want to do. But also respect those who choose a different path and if they have the ability, why not let them take on roles in which they can strife to do a good job.
Jenninora
2nd Mar 2017
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Well said Ecarg. Respect. Where it is needed. Years ago equality would not have worked as there was no level playing ( working ) field. I look and listen to the younger people in my profession and smile and think, I was at your point in life once and you should count yourself fortunate to slip out and in again for maternity leave, ( both women and men ). Respect that!!!
Lionel
28th Feb 2017
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As said below, the term 'work place,' is painting with very broad brush strokes. Too broad, perhaps.

I've worked from time to time with young women on farms, very well trained in Cirencester Agricultural College, well, they said they were well trained. But farming, especially with heavy livestock, is extremely demanding physically. It is a day by day endurance test for the unwary. And these women were the unwary. In short, they were well able for the office work of a farm but not the manual work. They were good in farrowing houses or rearing calves, but dealing with 1000kg of hormonally challenged and therefore temperamental breeding bull is another matter. If that animal smells a woman, she's in real trouble. If he smells a man he doesn't act up quite so much. That's just one example.

Before the fairly recent advent of widespread hydraulic equipment on farms is was pure physical labour. It was in my time. I do not believe any woman could sustain that.

Whilst living in the North I knew ship builders and colliery managers, as well as steel plant men. These were also physical jobs, very physical. No colliery manager in his right mind would have allowed a woman at the coal face. They have not the musculature to work 12 hours underground in a colliery.

So, let's be quite clear what we mean about the work place. It's not where real graft takes place, no, more a place where intellectual ability comes to the fore.

As to Cressida Dick, well, let's take a back seat and watch her progress. I truly hope she'll do well, and in that prove my point.

I expect this is cat among pidgeons time! Hey ho!
biker babe
7th Mar 2017
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jeanmark
2nd Mar 2017
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Lionel, I think it is more about receiving equal pay for equal work and equality in the 'job' market rather than whether you are physically able to do specific work.

It is also about being penalised for being the gender who has to bear children. A man isn't penalised for being able to fertilise an egg but a woman is for actually producing it! She is also often criticised for wanting a career as well as being a mother, but a man is not criticised for wanting a career as well as being a father.

In relation to actual work, I have met many women who are physically able to do hard labour and many men who are unable to. That isn't the issue, the issue it is about you being paid for lifting a cow but a woman lifting a cow of the same weight being paid less for the same job.
Lionel
3rd Mar 2017
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Jeanmark, there's nothing in your post I could possibly argue with.

I write only of my experience on farms, given that is now 30-40 years ago when some women were breaking into work types of work which they could have had little fore knowledge. One lady, a urban mid-twenties divorcee, wanted to work on a farm and live in the country because she'd once had a farm holiday. If memory serves correctly, she lasted two days, and we men were carrying her whilst she built up some strength.

I suppose I'm talking about unrealistic expectation.

Again, I utterly agree, equal pay for equal contribution. And to take up a point made earlier by someone else, the notion of quotas of women in parliament, on boards or in a certain industries is deplorable. Is that not a most personal insult to women? Surely employment and future prospects must be adjudged on merit, ability and stamina to sustain the post? I would then expect women to be equally paid with men of the same grade and contribution.

Yes, there are some men who are incapable of physical work. I have a step grandson who at almost six feet tall. I brought him up to work. But these days even the mere mention of putting down his phone or leaving Facebook or Youtube for a moment seems to fill him with horror. His sister, whom we also brought up, is headed to be a Vet, a most physical job, and one of endurance and commitment. Of course, I've talked at length to her of the things I know of farm animals. But she's adamant. She's now had two years of one day a week working at an agricultural college with all manner of animals and her reports from there are outstanding.

So there's the contrast, some can, and some won't.
jeanmark
3rd Mar 2017
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Lionel, I to am very much against positive discrimination as it serves no purpose in the real world. The most appropriate candidate should be chosen for a post based on their knowledge, skill, experience etc. something I have always honoured when appointing people. Gender, sexual orientation, race, religion should not be a factor unless that is appropriate to the job.

I think we actual agree in as much as equal pay for equal work regardless of gender. We still have some way to go as there are those who still believe women are delicate creatures that need to be protected and who are incapable of functioning at the same level as a man.
Lionel
3rd Mar 2017
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I'll reply here since there's no reply function to your later post.

I really am not that ogre, that bastion of male supremacy. Women and I have worked togther eqyally in Royal Mail delivering the post. They received the same pay as me, and did a god job.

On the farms, years ago,I didn't work with one woman who knew what she was getting into, and that colors my thoughts.

I was and am, five foot three and then weighed eight stones. Now it's a bit more. I too lifted heqavy weights, a thiteen sone sack of seed orn over my head; I have struggled to look a breeding bull in the eye. Fearsome brutes at the best of times. The more dangerous if they still had horns. And yes, to this day I have the bodily damage resulting from misjudging them.

There is a matter of female stock perons (oh, must we call them that?) and male live stock, one which I've witnessed, again to my cost. I won't relate that right now but it is a matter for serious reflection if women are to husband livestock.

Otherwise, again, there's little disagreement.
jeanmark
3rd Mar 2017
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I agree to an extent Lionel, but when I started my nursing career in 1965 there was not such thing as a mechanical hoist. Physically having to lift a 30 stone patient off the floor, up the bed or putting them in a bath had to be done, regardless of the size or weight of the nurse - I was 5" tall and weighed 7 stone, that was no excuse as the patient came first and there were morbidly obese patients in those days. I have to admit there would be two of us delicate females! Incidentally, 5' was the minimum height requirement when I started my career because of the lifting.

Farm labourers were not the only people to pay the physical price for heavy lifting in bygone days. Fortunately for both of us, things have changed and neither of us have to do it any more.
Lionel
3rd Mar 2017
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Well, I'm not one of those who believe women are delicate creatures. My earlier post relates to experience in a very physical industry.

But I would say, things like ship building, if we still did that, and construction may not suit the more feminine frame.

Like so much else in life, it's a matter of common sense.
Kazzaj
28th Feb 2017
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Hey Lionel what about the women's land army? Didn't they take over the farm work during war time and kept the country fed?please don't underestimate the strength of a woman mentally and physically my nan always used to say it's a good job men don't have babies!!!
Wilf
1st Mar 2017
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I agree Kazzaj...my Mother was in the land army and used to work with bulls, cows and horses and she is a really tough woman. Likewise I had an aunt who died last year aged 95 and in WW2 she was in the land army and again she was a tough lady!
Lionel
3rd Mar 2017
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This could be another cat among pidgeons time ... I just wonder if the generation of our children and grand children have been so hardened up as to cope with the rigours of the Women's Land Army. Yes, they were great stalwarts. Some remained in my home village well after the War, still working the land or in forrestry. I may not do anything but admire them.

But again, I wonder if so many of the young generation are able to undertake that work?
Wilf
3rd Mar 2017
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Probably not Lionel...they were a one off tough generation
Kazzaj
1st Mar 2017
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Yea wilf I am a care assistant and I know lots of ladies in their 80s/90s/100s and they are tough women! I guess they had to be!
Wilf
1st Mar 2017
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Yes I agree we were talking to my mum the other day and she was from Liverpool-very tough. Her dad was in South Africa during WW2 and they didnt see him for 5 years!
Wilf
28th Feb 2017
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I suspect many of the jobs you refer too with heavy manual labour within 40 years robots will be doing Lionel in fact in car factories and many other similar places e.g. tunneling they already are!
Lionel
28th Feb 2017
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Yes they will, Wilf. I am now an old farm worker, with a broken body to prove it. Even today, there are so many hydraulic mechanical devices available to farmers which limit the amount of sheer physical work involved.

But handling cattle, especially breeding bulls, I rather doubt robots will be good in that field.
Wilf
1st Mar 2017
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Well you never know Lionel...If they have cars that can drive themselves now it must be less complicated to heard bulls?
Pam1960
28th Feb 2017
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We have come along way with equality for women. In large organisations there are many women in senior roles, we have had two female prime ministers and generally in education and in the workplace the opportunities for women gave increased. However in everyday life women are not classed as equals they are in the home to cook and clean and look after their families send in most cases their career is secondary to that of their husband. Great strides have been made towards equality but there is a long way to go yet
Kazzaj
1st Mar 2017
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Lots of women juggle work, children, and looking after the home these days
Wilf
1st Mar 2017
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My mum worked full time and looked after us 3 boys and dad for years...never complained and just got on with it
scandiman
28th Feb 2017
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I have no problem with anyone having an equal opportunity regardless of colour, sex, religion etc. However, they should only be appointed because they are the most suitable for the job, NOT in order to fulfil a quota.
Lionel
28th Feb 2017
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Scandiman, in principal I completely agree with your stance, and have, at times lived it.

But the term 'workk place,' is painting with a very broad brush.
Wilf
28th Feb 2017
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I totally agree with you. When I worked in larger companies I always chose the best candidates. Why wouldn't you? Incidentally the best two people I ever worked with were woman and they were the personification of efficiency!
Jo Kingham
28th Feb 2017
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No there isn't! Why is it that girls generally do better than boys at school but yet boys get the better jobs! Not surprisingly those women that do hold top jobs are past child bearing age - funny that!

I don't believe there will ever be true equality and know of instances where the same pay is not given to men and women doing the same job - so it has to be down to gender.
Marley444
28th Feb 2017
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I am not sure there will ever be total equality for women in the work place ... well not until the day that men can give birth! I still think that even though times have moved on and there are so many more equalities in the workplace, on the whole men earn more than women still. There are more men in senior jobs generally ... I think there will always be a likelihood that most women will require maternity leave at some point in their careers, and this will always be an underlying issue. The five women mentioned have all passed the menopause and will not be having babies! I think there will always be underlying discrimination against those younger women who have got to multi task and be successful in both their careers and motherhood.
Jenninora
28th Feb 2017
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I do agree with that Marley. That is just the point. Mothering takes up quite a lot of time. Law gives them the chance to return. Takes a lot of energy for a woman to mult-task.
Wilf
28th Feb 2017
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I agree with you my wife worked and bought up our kids and still works! Its tough whereas us chaps just need to get on and work. I think the equality is getting level...much better than in the 60s and 70s
Lionel
28th Feb 2017
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Equality in some areas, Wilf. if the lady I met nearly 20 years ago had muscles like a wrestler and hands calloused through heaving concrete on a building site I don't think my interest would have been sparked. In fact I know it wouldn't!

Shouldn't we admire and cleave to gender differences? If not, well, I'll leave that to you.
Wilf
1st Mar 2017
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yes the Soviet Union and Eastern Bloc were a disaster...they a re only getting out of the mess now...apart from Russia. Interesting how the Chinese have surged ahead...work ethics come to mind!
Lionel
28th Feb 2017
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Wilf, I can't reply other than go above you.

There is no problem as far as I may see in equal pay for equal contribution in the work place. That is how it should be.

But as far as I can see this evening not all work places are equal.

Ah, the Soviets. Spent a deal of time behind the Iron Curtain in Central Europe. No incentive to work whatsoever, so no advances in technology or productivity.
Wilf
28th Feb 2017
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Agreed Lionel...but for equal work women should have equal pay...same as all other people. I read an interesting line from Soviet Russia the other day when workers used to say "They pretend to pay us so we pretend to work"...a great reason never to have a communist society like Russia. China is another case though as they know how to work and have built the most astonishing economy in only a couple of decades
JohnHerb
28th Feb 2017
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Women have always been in charge they just pretend to let us chaps think we are in charge. Look some of the best leaders of all time have been women...the Queen, Mrs Thatcher swinging her handbag about on the heads of her "wet" cabinet like John Major for example. I ask you how can you compare someone like him verses Mrs T? Seriously its better than ever and I know my daughters will grow up in a UK where there is a lot more equality than ever and good for it I say.
Jenninora
28th Feb 2017
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Yes John, true enough. A woman brave enough, intelligent enough, free enough, savey and willing enough to stay up there will be honoured. We have always had those women.
We should not bemoan our country as it is a fair nation too. Many are not, for many reasons.
Why are we having to deal with some difficult situations, with newcomers wanting a piece of the action???
Strength and peace too our STRONG WOMEN in keeping the Good Britannia sailing.
Jenninora
28th Feb 2017
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It is much better now. Employment law has brought this about and there is much focus on equality. I would say it depends on the work place. It depends on the requirements of the work.
If a firm or working institution works to the rules ( as they are meant) then women have gained so much, and have a platform to speak from. Good to see women in more powerful positions, new thinking is good.
Women, because they are the nurturing gender will always slip in and out of a work force. This can hinder their path to rising and success and to stay put at an elevated position. It takes more strengths in a woman to successfully wield power and stay at it.
Good for them if they can stay the pace.
CaroleAH
28th Feb 2017
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I agree, Jenninora. There does seem to be more respect for women in the work-place but they do also seem to bear the major responsibility of child-care and often, later in their careers, the care of elderly parents which, as you so rightly say, is a major hindrance to their progress to having a successful career. When my mother got married in 1939 she had to resign from her job as a telephonist for the GPO as they didn't employ married women and even 30 years later, when I got married there was no maternity leave in Lloyds Bank - you could work until you were 6 months pregnant and then it was "Cheerio" and a pram cover for the baby if you were lucky! So, although we are moving in the right direction it is slow progress.
Jenninora
28th Feb 2017
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Yes slow progress, but woman will always have to dig deeper to find the nuggets to generate, firstly will + time and secondly, push and success. Only a few will achieve. But I say it again, we have something near equality, more than our mothers.
MrsPat
28th Feb 2017
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I think its getting there. Many top women in entertainment industry and in politics all the main players seem to be women. Corbyn verses Mrs May...not really on the same level I don't think.
Wilf
28th Feb 2017
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Mrs May is a new Mrs Thatcher. After Winston she was the best PM we had in the last 100 years
Lionel
28th Feb 2017
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Well, Wilf, perhaps this should be a new thread. If I open up this it will be seen as way off topic.

But I will say Thatcher was excellent with the EU and with the Argentinians. But in some domestic matters she was a disaster.
Wilf
1st Mar 2017
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True Lionel she was too hard especially on the miners where she would not have like to have been treated like that herself or her family.

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