Should Jeremy Corbyn Stay or Go?
The results of the EU Referendum have left the country in a state of temporary turmoil.
The Conservative party are preparing to elect a new leader, and Prime Minister. The Labour party have had 60 senior members of parliament resign, based on their perception of Jeremy Corbyn’s inability to lead them from now on.
David Cameron and Ed Miliband have told Jeremy Corbyn to resign following this wave of resignations from the shadow cabinet as Angela Eagle prepares to spark a Labour leadership contest.
Mr Cameron used Prime Minister’s Questions to say: “For heaven’s sake man, just go!”
The Labour leader has continued to resist the calls to quit, with his spokesman telling rebels to “bring it on” in the form of a leadership contest.
Angela Eagle, the former shadow business secretary, is widely tipped to be the unity candidate that will be selected to fight Mr Corbyn in a leadership challenge, although she has so far refused to comment on her plans.
What are your views? If the Labour Party no longer have faith in his ability to lead the party, and they have voted with their feet, should he step down? If Labour party supporters wish him to remain should he be loyal to them?
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I am not a Labour voter, however my gut feeling is that it is the people who support Corbyn - and it's the Blairites/Red Tories who are behind much of this poisonous situation.
Our Government and political system is in a mess - and who will pay the price for their disarray and our sensationalising media putting the country down.........my guess is that it will be the families and individuals who try hard but get nowhere fast.
One wise commentator said the other day "Let's remember, this is a political crisis, not a financial one"........so let's not be dragged into further crisis-please
He's a decent, straight talking man who cares about the ordinary people. In today's world be are swayed by style and poisonous rhetoric over substance. Jeremy isn't the problem, the very reason people like him because he's genuine.
Other politicians generally lack sincerity. They're the problem, not him.
Labour has been more successful, dynamic and inspiring since in the past year than any other politician in my lifetime. Is he really not a leader?
Resignations were in the public domain and before the leadership knew eg Jamie Reed (12Sep t2015)
Resignations were made to gain maximum bad publicity for Corbyn as with resignation of Stephen Doughty on live TV..... he planned this in advance (6thJan 2016) with Andrew Neill and Laura Kuenssberg
All the while constant sniping from the likes of David Blunkett in The Sun, Daily Mail, The Telegraph
If Corbyn has 'under-performed' which is questionable it's the responsibility of the PLP, unelected Blairites and former Labour leaders with a very large axe to grind for causing so mush distraction and undermining their own party
The Telegraph(3rd May) predicted a coup immediately after the referendum on June 23rd to be initiated by multi-millionaire Margaret Hodge - whatever the result
The coup was initiated by Hodge and taken up by Hilary Benn and then went into overdrive, maniputed by Alistair Campbell
This publication is pro-Corbyn but that shouldn't disqualify the content, given the rubbish being published elsewhere
The same may not be said of the very many Blairites who inhabit Socialist politics. Indeed, one might rightly say they infest the 'New Conservatives,' as well.
Blair and his acolytes have left a very bad taste in the mouths of the British electorate. I dare to say to you here, until they are expunged from the Socialist Party, and from 'New Conservatives,' few will ever trust a politician.
Could that be why the hard right is gaining traction?
But if some people become filthy rich a lot more become extremely poor
Corbyn is wanting to promote policies that recognise this group and their needs and roll back on the deprivation. Because of this he's considered 'dangerous'. ( and because he's popular and has something to say)
True, some of these abandoned people are looking for a scapegoats and are lured by the hard right's messages.They have also lashed out by voting 'Leave'. It was an opportunity to give the complacent elite a good kicking.
This is the legacy of New Labour (that and the current state of the Middle East)
Yes Harold- an English hero forgotten and almost written out of history... yet we have a statue of William the Bastard in Westminster....... it seems very appropriate for our Labour MPs backstabbing their leader and neglecting their constituents
The coup has been in the planning a long time but it's gone wrong because he won't fade quietly away. The attacks will become more and more vicious and more ludicrous as the plotters' desperation mounts.
It's Chilcott next week and a leader who won't make excuses when it's released... no spin from Corbyn
Then there's plain old jealousy. Here's a principled 67 year old man who's engaging with many young people because he's saying something and not just uttering bland soundbites. How refreshing.....young people looking up to an 'old man' and listening and resonating with what he's saying.
Now this next happened but I can't attribute it to any particular politician, although Pinnock comes to mind. Back in the eighties when Labour were in a very bad place I think it was Pinnock, but can't be sure, said:
'How does the Labour party say to a working man who owns his own home, holidays abroad twice a year, and at least two cars and is paying for children in university, how do we say to them we'll help you out of your misery? How?'
That's not a direct quote, but the actual words were very similar.
Dragging up that statement once again begs the question, what is the role of the Labour Party in the life of Parliament and the lives of ordinary Brits?
Corbin has yet to tackle this point.
I hope Corbyn remains as a thorn in the side of all those Labour MP's who couldn't care less about this country, but only their own self preservation.
As for that hypercrite Hilary Benn attempting to lecture people on the morality of democracy then stabbing Corbyn in the back and trying to start a hijacking of the Labour leadership.
A school report of mine from fifty odd years ago read, could do more.
Many of these people, in my opinion, are narcisstic, egotistical self-serving individuals with an inflated sense of self-entitlement.
An honest, modest leader with ideas and pinciples who doesn't milk his expenses makes for a rather unflattering comparison for his critics
I just hope he has an opportunity to get his ideas and policies out. The media, (including the BBC), the Conservatives, the Liberals and 4/5 of his own MPs with the help of Alistair Campbell and New Labour figures from the past, are desperate to kill him in a political sense.... they have seen how he has connected to Labour Party members and are terrified of him doing the same with the country at large. He must be stopped at all costs
at a General Election.
Just look what they did pre and post referendum with their hysterics.
On June 27th she pulls a knife out -when she fancies being leader. Angela Eagle said:
'Under your leadership, the case to remain in the EU was made with half-hearted ambivalence...... I have come to the conclusion that you are not the person to lead the party that we both love'
The behaviour of many Labour MPs is the most despicable I've seen in 50years. The Media's daily character assassination is the worst I've ever seen and both are colluding with each other
I have enjoyed my 1st debate on here and as they say a week is a long time in politics but it changing minute by minute now.
Que Serra Serra folks I hope to see what is on here tommorow. Thank You again
Please, do keep it all coming. We Silver Surfers appear to be reaching a consensus and isn't that a good thing, after the turmoil and division of these last years? I think so!
I'll sign in again tomorrow.
Jeremy Corbyn may be a good man (but I have not seen anything to prove it yet) but he is not a leader, he should step down. I do like the fact that he stands by his beliefs even if I do not agree with all of them but very few politicians do that, they change their mind as often as the wind changes direction.
Heaven help us if Boris becomes leader. I always thought he supported the Leave campaign just for the hell of it and I think he has proved it to everyone now.
First, I'm against Boris becoming Prime Minister, although tonight the odds look in his favour. Having read his book about Churchill (it was not a bad summary) I believe he has imbibed too much of the Churchillian spirit which for him is a delusion. Churchill's mantle as a war leader was a one off. It is not now a case of wrapping oneself in a perceived Churchillian mantle and prattling on. We will pay the price for his delusion if he's elected!
Yes, I think Corbyn is basically a good man, although now caught up in the Labour system when for so many years he was a back bencher and aloof. He's not a leader, no, but, as far as todays Labour party is concerned he's a good background think-tank man, incapable of directly influencing events.
Sure you're not underestimating the effect he has had on hundreds of thousands of people?
Rather sadly the SDP came at just the wrong time. There was insufficient difference between Tories and Labour for them to scramble for a popular middle ground.
Now, with both main parties impotent, at least publicly so, there is a wide open gap between them and the moderates of both parties may fill that ground and take power, to lead us forward.
I don't believe tonight either main part has sufficient voting traction to do that.
He was not a deliberate fraud, but he was not the man of public perception then or now. But then nobody cared, with had a charismatic public figure whose speeches galvanised the doubting population and for the first time since Lloyd George we had a national leader.
I think we look to Churchill with some amount of nostalgia because we have not had such a charismatic public leader since; not a leader who delivered the result we all wanted.
You might argue Thatcher was in that mould, but ... she divided the nation, she did not unite it!
To now try to copy Churchill in these times is a gross mistake, and one we should all be wary of. A national leader is for his/her times, not before nor after their times. They are a one off.
Corbyn has a purpose even though Labour is in a mess which is of many years making but I will remember him as a loyal Captain of a ship that has sadly ran aground and come hell or high water he determined to steer it.
I hope Jeremy Corbyn is relieved for his own wellbeing sake because he seems too decent a human being to Lead our now sad Labour Party
Jeremy Corbin's views, I feel, are too far left of public opinion to have any great impact, which means he will struggle to win any elections.
This country, and indeed Europe, is leaning to the right - Marine le Penn, and others I can't now name. A rank and file Socialist hasn't much to say to the right leaning electorate in these times, so rather sadly, he his been hounded not for his faults, but rather his beliefs not being in step with public opinion.
Michael Foot suffered the same fate.
In my Part of Yorkshire we had an MP Bob Cryer a rank and file Socialist who said what he thought and fell out with mainstream often but sadly died in 1994 too young like John Smith. I hope you see my previous comment about Corbyn
I remember Bob Cryer, I was a shepherd in North Yorkshire at the time. Housed in Muker. The flock was, well, everywhere over the Moors because the Collies wouldn't work for me, just their master!
Cryer was a one off. Our MP's today are too scared of speaking out against the main stream - do they fear loss of something? Or is it they'll not ever be invited to the EU trough? Your guess is as good as mine.
We can't suddenly invent a new political party from out of the ether and expect it to win a general election, much as I might, just might, like that to be the case. No, my hope is that the moderates from both Labour and Tory parties form a new Centrist party, neither left nor right, dedicated to, and focussed on the well being of this nation as a whole. That breaks the mould of years of two party politics where party comes before the likes of you and I.
And no, I would not cast a vote for Boris!
My point is, the best from both Tory and Labour might yet come together in a third mainstream party which could take the nation forward.
As it is we're in a kind of stalemate.
Labour MPs should advise the membership to think wisely next time they vote or Labour will be replaced as an Opposition Party.
At least 3 are in receipt of 'No confidence' votes from their own constituency parties.... guess what? They like handing them out but not receiving them
Yes, we need the unions, I have benefitted from being a union member, but not activist, for forty years. As far as I know I've never paid a political levy.
And yes again, I think if David Miliband had been elected to lead Labour, as he was on course so to do until union intervention, then we would have had a right old shindig in the UK over the EU. As to that outcome, well, one may only guess.
Corbyn is a rotten little commie, he is rabidly anti-Semitic (but why?) very pro-Palestine (?) and he supports further immigration.
He should go, go, go, to North Korea...and take the toxic Angela Eagle with him.
We need a clear out of the two main parties and reform as two, or better three parties which strive to reflect better the times in which we live and the views of their electorate.
If this present 650 were employed in the steel works now they would already be redundant!
For perhaps thirty five years I've felt our two party democracy (?) doesn't best serve the needs of a fast changing country. On the ballot paper, even in local Council elections, the choice is between Labour and Tory. All others who might be mentioned are really non runners.
We as a country need a wider choice than just two parties. I think the 2015 General Election showed that.
Now, whether one voted in or out of the EU, it is immaterial. What matters is that, far from uniting the Tory Party or the Labour party, it has created much deeper divisions within their ranks.
And here is the added sparkle to the referendum, well, as far as I'm concerned. It is not impossible moderates from both leading parties may form a third party and stand against their former alma maters in the next election!
A realistic choice; no longer the same, tired old faces! That must be worth consideration.