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Should Jeremy Corbyn Stay or Go?

The results of the EU Referendum have left the country in a state of temporary turmoil.

The Conservative party are preparing to elect a new leader, and Prime Minister. The Labour party have had 60 senior members of parliament resign, based on their perception of Jeremy Corbyn’s inability to lead them from now on.

David Cameron and Ed Miliband have told Jeremy Corbyn to resign following this wave of resignations from the shadow cabinet as Angela Eagle prepares to spark a Labour leadership contest.

Mr Cameron used Prime Minister’s Questions to say: “For heaven’s sake man, just go!”

The Labour leader has continued to resist the calls to quit, with his spokesman telling rebels to “bring it on” in the form of a leadership contest.

Angela Eagle, the former shadow business secretary, is widely tipped to be the unity candidate that will be selected to fight Mr Corbyn in a leadership challenge, although she has so far refused to comment on her plans.

What are your views?  If the Labour Party no longer have faith in his ability to lead the party, and they have voted with their feet, should he step down?  If Labour party supporters wish him to remain should he be loyal to them?

 

Should Jeremy Corbyn Stay or Go?

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Faithnomore
19th Aug 2016
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But just to put the point home , I would like to point out why we may never have a stable goverment again, the majority of people are working class or poor within england, the minority that deems themselves fit to rule are either from middle or upper class, how could they ever possibley understand what the voters want or that damageing policies like mass migration from less advanced cultures has done to thier quality of life, instead they are branded racist, meanwhile terrorism, sexual violence and heroin are allowed to flood are streets, furthering the cause of terrorism, and policies like bedroom tax further destroy the will of those at the bottom of the pyramid and ultimately less people vote because its are own goverment that causes suffering. Thats the situation in a nut shell.
Faithnomore
19th Aug 2016
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Jeremy corbyn represent the continued neo liberal ideals, that has made indigenous brits suffer terribley, by importing ignorance and violence from other less advanced nations.
dermuid13
5th Aug 2016
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Jeremy Corbyn is an honest upstanding politician who is the best person to lead the next Labour Government because his policies resonate with both the new comers and old labour voters like myself who are fed up to the back teeth with "sit on their hands" blairite Politicos career politicians whose wishy washy ideas are no different than those of the disastrous Tory Government in power now.
Facelift
17th Jul 2016
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Please give me the definition of Democracy please. Thank you...
Faithnomore
19th Aug 2016
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Its a system where by you choose your own oppressor.
jentie51
10th Jul 2016
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I think Jeremy is the breath of fresh air this country desperately needs, so of course he should remain leader of the party.
Irene88
7th Jul 2016
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The Labour members voted for him in huge numbers - don't the Labour MP's realise that their electorate don't agree with them.
Lionel
7th Jul 2016
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I think that needs a closer scrutiny.
Alexander McEwan
6th Jul 2016
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Jeremy, is the gift, that keeps on giving.
celtwitch
8th Jul 2016
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I would argue that he is the gift that keeps on taking.
Lionel
7th Jul 2016
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celtwitch
6th Jul 2016
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The little rat should go, and soon, North Korea is lovely at this time of year.
Lionel
7th Jul 2016
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You're writing from personal experience, Celtwitch? You know North Korea so well? My, you are so well travelled!
celtwitch
8th Jul 2016
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I lived there for 5 years when I first came to earth, I think you would fit in there perfectly.
mick2e1hzm
2nd Jul 2016
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Why are people who do not support Corbyn called blairites or red Tories, could it have some thing to do with the big U-turn he made over the EU, or the mess he made when talking to the Jewish community, or the fact that after the vote to leave was announced that all he was concerned about was climate change and human rights, nothing about any foreword plan on trade, we need some one who will push for the best trade deals, the rest can comer later, he has a personal agenda, plus a big ego
Joan Fraser
2nd Jul 2016
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I am no great political commentator, but the past couple of weeks have shaken my faith beyond belief. I suspect many of those who are against Corbyn are those who needed an excuse to get away from the front benches before the Iraq Inquiry is made public.
I am not a Labour voter, however my gut feeling is that it is the people who support Corbyn - and it's the Blairites/Red Tories who are behind much of this poisonous situation.
Our Government and political system is in a mess - and who will pay the price for their disarray and our sensationalising media putting the country down.........my guess is that it will be the families and individuals who try hard but get nowhere fast.
One wise commentator said the other day "Let's remember, this is a political crisis, not a financial one"........so let's not be dragged into further crisis-please
Wilf
2nd Jul 2016
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You are right its a total mess...Its very bad for democracy that Labour is so weak at the moment. We need a strong opposition for democracy to work
whitey
2nd Jul 2016
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In our society we require . Smart , charismatic , good looking .people . Able to stand up at prime ministers question time .and exchange ,smart quips and howl like banshees when they score a point , or shout down a person .if you are not this type of person in our modern world you are seen as lacking the essentials to lead .We have seen a prime example of people with charisma ,and what happens in smoke filled rooms when they have served there're purpose .They do however require, guts , straight talking honesty , an ability to control and use the Whitehall mandarins . Would it not be wonderful if just a little of Yes Ministers , wonderfull naivety in asking Why should that not be possible . We are badly served by many of our politicians and wonderfully served by the minority . Stay and fight for what is good in our society .
robinh
1st Jul 2016
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Why do people use the term leftist? Jeremy Cornyn is a socialist. Why not call him that instead? Being left wing is a good thing and so what if he's older. A few years ago many of the great Politicians were older than many are now.
He's a decent, straight talking man who cares about the ordinary people. In today's world be are swayed by style and poisonous rhetoric over substance. Jeremy isn't the problem, the very reason people like him because he's genuine.
Other politicians generally lack sincerity. They're the problem, not him.
MorrisandDoris
1st Jul 2016
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He's a silly old man with leftist views but probably a nice man to know outside of politics !
Oldfolkie
30th Jun 2016
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Repeatedly I hear that Jeremy is not a leader. What does this mean? He shows all the leadership qualities that I was taught throughout my professional life. He engages with people, he listens to what they have to say, he explains the reasons for his thinking and the actions he wants to take. He fills those he is set to lead with enthusiasm, as demonstrated by the number of people who have joined the Labour Party since his nomination as a candidate for the leadership. He has been consistently belittled by the press and the media but he has borne it all with dignity. What more do we want in a leader? Glib sound bites, expensive suits and designer accessories, Brylcream, weasel words and duplicity?
Labour has been more successful, dynamic and inspiring since in the past year than any other politician in my lifetime. Is he really not a leader?
JohnHerb
30th Jun 2016
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I think you have a really good point here-Jeremy is quiet, friendly and is a man of principal which I have to say is a lot more than you can say about people like Gove-I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him and for that reason I hope he never gets the PMs job. I think the issue with Jeremy as a leader is he has not charisma & toughness-what is that? I am not sure but so called leaders have it-Churchill, Rosevelt, Thatcher (love her or hate her!).
HaroldGodwinson
30th Jun 2016
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Corbyn was undermined from the first few minutes of his mandate and sometimes even before as when Blair advisor John McTernan called for his immediate overthrow if he was elected.

Resignations were in the public domain and before the leadership knew eg Jamie Reed (12Sep t2015)
Resignations were made to gain maximum bad publicity for Corbyn as with resignation of Stephen Doughty on live TV..... he planned this in advance (6thJan 2016) with Andrew Neill and Laura Kuenssberg

All the while constant sniping from the likes of David Blunkett in The Sun, Daily Mail, The Telegraph

If Corbyn has 'under-performed' which is questionable it's the responsibility of the PLP, unelected Blairites and former Labour leaders with a very large axe to grind for causing so mush distraction and undermining their own party

The Telegraph(3rd May) predicted a coup immediately after the referendum on June 23rd to be initiated by multi-millionaire Margaret Hodge - whatever the result
The coup was initiated by Hodge and taken up by Hilary Benn and then went into overdrive, maniputed by Alistair Campbell

This publication is pro-Corbyn but that shouldn't disqualify the content, given the rubbish being published elsewhere

Lionel
30th Jun 2016
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Harold, that's a fine Anglo Saxon family you come from. Warriors and kings to a man!

The same may not be said of the very many Blairites who inhabit Socialist politics. Indeed, one might rightly say they infest the 'New Conservatives,' as well.

Blair and his acolytes have left a very bad taste in the mouths of the British electorate. I dare to say to you here, until they are expunged from the Socialist Party, and from 'New Conservatives,' few will ever trust a politician.

Could that be why the hard right is gaining traction?
HaroldGodwinson
1st Jul 2016
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The Blairites abandoned their old traditional voters in the chase for floating voters. As Peter Meddlesome said: ' the Labour Party has no problem with peple being filthy rich' and he was no doubt thinking that would be great for him and Tone too.
But if some people become filthy rich a lot more become extremely poor

Corbyn is wanting to promote policies that recognise this group and their needs and roll back on the deprivation. Because of this he's considered 'dangerous'. ( and because he's popular and has something to say)
True, some of these abandoned people are looking for a scapegoats and are lured by the hard right's messages.They have also lashed out by voting 'Leave'. It was an opportunity to give the complacent elite a good kicking.
This is the legacy of New Labour (that and the current state of the Middle East)

Yes Harold- an English hero forgotten and almost written out of history... yet we have a statue of William the Bastard in Westminster....... it seems very appropriate for our Labour MPs backstabbing their leader and neglecting their constituents
Wilf
30th Jun 2016
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Interesting that most people here on Silversurfers want Jeremy to stay
HaroldGodwinson
1st Jul 2016
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As the backstabbers say as they stick the knife in...'he's a decent man' and I think decent people (whatever their politics) can look beyond the media frenzy and see that he's being bullied and persecuted.

The coup has been in the planning a long time but it's gone wrong because he won't fade quietly away. The attacks will become more and more vicious and more ludicrous as the plotters' desperation mounts.
It's Chilcott next week and a leader who won't make excuses when it's released... no spin from Corbyn

Then there's plain old jealousy. Here's a principled 67 year old man who's engaging with many young people because he's saying something and not just uttering bland soundbites. How refreshing.....young people looking up to an 'old man' and listening and resonating with what he's saying.
june1
30th Jun 2016
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he is a good man with principles but he is not a leader. We have to have a leader who can communicate at present..
Lionel
30th Jun 2016
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Exactly, June. It seems to me Corbyn is a back bench rabble rouser. A man of conviction (that's a novelty in British politics!) but he's not leadership material. He's a minority man. He cannot galvanise the British people into marching forward into anything!

Now this next happened but I can't attribute it to any particular politician, although Pinnock comes to mind. Back in the eighties when Labour were in a very bad place I think it was Pinnock, but can't be sure, said:

'How does the Labour party say to a working man who owns his own home, holidays abroad twice a year, and at least two cars and is paying for children in university, how do we say to them we'll help you out of your misery? How?'

That's not a direct quote, but the actual words were very similar.

Dragging up that statement once again begs the question, what is the role of the Labour Party in the life of Parliament and the lives of ordinary Brits?

Corbin has yet to tackle this point.
trevftm
30th Jun 2016
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The most honest person I have ever heard
Happlin
30th Jun 2016
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As nice as he appears he does seem to lack leadership qualities
mrs p
30th Jun 2016
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He stands for what we use to. Want freedom ,better working conditions for the working people less poverty,look out for each other and for the less fortunate than our selfs ,not racism and yes he is not as strong and bloody minded as the rest of Europe leaders but working class .
Rikki-Nadir
30th Jun 2016
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He is the only decent politician with integrity in Westminster. His expenses' claims last year were £9 - yes, NINE pounds. Every one of the 172 that voted against him claimed expenses of over £100,000 - ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND POUNDS - on top of a £74,000 salary - EACH. That one fact should tell you who *really* has your welfare at heart.
Wilf
30th Jun 2016
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Is that true? where did you find that fact from? If it is its amazing and will make me reconsider Jeremy
megra
30th Jun 2016
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These stats are available in the published figures of MPs expenses.
Wilf
30th Jun 2016
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I have just looked at some of the spreadsheets and cannot see any that would add up to £100k per annum?
Baxi
30th Jun 2016
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He seems like a nice bloke with principles, but I don't see him as a world leader. I think they'd eat him for breakfast!
Lionel
30th Jun 2016
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He would just be the first course!
bluesuede
30th Jun 2016
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The problem is Corbyn was elected by the membership, but it is the self serving ego opportunists supported in the background by people like the Portland Communications, so beloved by Blair and Brown during their ruinous tenure who are trying to ignore the memberships wishes.
I hope Corbyn remains as a thorn in the side of all those Labour MP's who couldn't care less about this country, but only their own self preservation.
As for that hypercrite Hilary Benn attempting to lecture people on the morality of democracy then stabbing Corbyn in the back and trying to start a hijacking of the Labour leadership.
Lionel
30th Jun 2016
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Blue suede, surely Corbyn must do more to be a thorn in the flesh. Just being Labour leader isn't enough, that role embraces being the official opposition, embraces taking core Labour doctrines out to the people of the UK.

A school report of mine from fifty odd years ago read, could do more.
HaroldGodwinson
1st Jul 2016
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It's a bit difficult to be the official opposition when the revolting MPs are effectively on strike... yet we are still paying their salaries, expenses and pension contributions.
Many of these people, in my opinion, are narcisstic, egotistical self-serving individuals with an inflated sense of self-entitlement.

An honest, modest leader with ideas and pinciples who doesn't milk his expenses makes for a rather unflattering comparison for his critics

I just hope he has an opportunity to get his ideas and policies out. The media, (including the BBC), the Conservatives, the Liberals and 4/5 of his own MPs with the help of Alistair Campbell and New Labour figures from the past, are desperate to kill him in a political sense.... they have seen how he has connected to Labour Party members and are terrified of him doing the same with the country at large. He must be stopped at all costs
izvor666skycom
30th Jun 2016
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Corbyn needs to go. I have been a Labour Party member for 40 years. His absence from the remain referendum was disgusting, I believe he followed his own agenda, that being nationalisation so now the EU can't interfere. The only people he seems to communicate with is momentum. He is not inclusive to anyone outside momentum or London. Even after all the criticism instead of trying to communicate with the National Labour Party members and supporters. He attended another rally in London with momentum. Supporters. We don't count.
bertieostrich
30th Jun 2016
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I think the Labour party will split as the gap is to wide. To me it wouldn't be a bad thing as long as one side went back to Labours traditional roots of supporting the working class and the less well off in society.
roverT33
29th Jun 2016
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He has shown no leadership qualities. The times i have seen him in parliament. In his cords and comfortable woolly cardi. Looking like he is waiting for a train, doing the crossword or word search. He has been against the EU for 40 years, when he is given the job to lead he goes the other way, and is for it because that is what he is told to do. That is going against his own beliefs. That is not a sign of a good leader. If he had a dog, It would be the dog taking him for a walk...
HaroldGodwinson
1st Jul 2016
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Not a very well reasoned or constructive case, I feel
mick2e1hzm
2nd Jul 2016
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Can you see him getting a good deal for this country off the EU we need some one who will fight for this country not some one who for 30 years has hated the EU and in the last 8 weeks loved it, after the results where announced all he was concerned about was climate change and human rights, nothing about trade deals, and in this country human rights only protects the criminals and stops us from deporting them
Lionel
30th Jun 2016
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RoverT, from this man's limited viewpoint, I must say you are quite right. As said above in a reply this evening, could do more. If he doesn't, or cannot, then ... he's history, like the well meaning Michael Foot. Nice man, sincere and genuine, but not a leader of men.
Firinne
30th Jun 2016
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So how do you explain his unquestionable popularity with a wide range of people, from young to old? How do you explain that thousands flock to hear him and come away inspired?
essexcalf
29th Jun 2016
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I have seen Jeremy Corbyn speaking live in public twice and he is absolutely brilliant and attracts crowds wherever he goes. He is a wonderful speaker, compassionate, honest and I believe every word he says. I cannot believe that the Blairites have stabbed him in the back, not one of them can hold a candle to him and I fear for the party if he is forced out. Jeremy Corby really is the only person who can lead the Labour Party to victory
at a General Election.
bluesuede
30th Jun 2016
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Major issue is the immature media,whose brand of hysteria and misdirection taints anyone they are not "in bed" with.
Just look what they did pre and post referendum with their hysterics.
cowshindtail
29th Jun 2016
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He is the greatest asset that the Labour party has as he is widely admired even among non Labour voters for his honesty and integrity.He should definitely stop,he is what this country and his party badly need.We have had far too many years of right wing governments.
Mavis Clarke
29th Jun 2016
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Jeremy must stay, a wonderful compassionate caring human being who can change this country for the better, How do people know that he is not a leader, give him a chance. We do not want leaders who take us to war or encourage greed, we need a good socialist and that is Jeremy Corbyn.
bluesuede
30th Jun 2016
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Agree. He was elected by the membership and not the Parliamentary party. It would be a hijacking of democracy if they are allowed to oust him for their own self serving means.
izvor666skycom
30th Jun 2016
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Mavis he was supposed to lead us in the referendum but he failed to turn up. Millions of Labour supporters had no idea what to do so they listened to the likes of Farage. This country has been ripped apart and his answer. Stay in London and have a rally and talk to his momentum group. We don't exist, I'm not a blairite I'm a 40 year Labour Party member.
HaroldGodwinson
1st Jul 2016
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On 13th June Angela Eagle said: 'Jeremy is up and down the country, pursuing an itinerary that would make a 25year old tired. He has not stopped, We are doing our best but if it is not reported, it is difficult'

On June 27th she pulls a knife out -when she fancies being leader. Angela Eagle said:
'Under your leadership, the case to remain in the EU was made with half-hearted ambivalence...... I have come to the conclusion that you are not the person to lead the party that we both love'

The behaviour of many Labour MPs is the most despicable I've seen in 50years. The Media's daily character assassination is the worst I've ever seen and both are colluding with each other
April23
29th Jun 2016
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I signing off here too, Bins to take out and so on.
I have enjoyed my 1st debate on here and as they say a week is a long time in politics but it changing minute by minute now.
Que Serra Serra folks I hope to see what is on here tommorow. Thank You again
Lionel
29th Jun 2016
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Folks, this evening's debate has been wonderful but furious for me. For this evening, just for this evening, I'm signing off. I'm going to have a pint and smoke my pipe in my armchair. My Collies need my attention as does my wife.

Please, do keep it all coming. We Silver Surfers appear to be reaching a consensus and isn't that a good thing, after the turmoil and division of these last years? I think so!

I'll sign in again tomorrow.
marion5
29th Jun 2016
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well what does he want, the people don't want him there so i would give in gracefully
Firinne
30th Jun 2016
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The people? Which people? I was at the rally last Monday in Parliament Square. Police figure for numbers present was 10 000.
mick2e1hzm
2nd Jul 2016
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Yes all wanting the referendum re-run, I want the lottery re-run as I did not win, and 90% of them have never worked, as they are still at university.
Lionel
30th Jun 2016
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Press called it as five hundred. Who to believe?
Pam1960
29th Jun 2016
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Nice guy but out of touch with the younger generation. He should go now.
bluesuede
30th Jun 2016
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The young generation don't vote so why worry.
mick2e1hzm
2nd Jul 2016
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No they don't vote, they have rallies to try and overturn the results, that's democracy for you, wonder if they will re-run the lottery because I did not win
Firinne
30th Jun 2016
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I'd love to know what evidence you are going by. It's mainly young people at the rallies I've been to.
Notdeadyet
29th Jun 2016
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It is unfortunate that both Labour and Conservatives are in turmoil at the same time but let us hope that some good will come out of it.
Jeremy Corbyn may be a good man (but I have not seen anything to prove it yet) but he is not a leader, he should step down. I do like the fact that he stands by his beliefs even if I do not agree with all of them but very few politicians do that, they change their mind as often as the wind changes direction.
Heaven help us if Boris becomes leader. I always thought he supported the Leave campaign just for the hell of it and I think he has proved it to everyone now.
Firinne
30th Jun 2016
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I'd like to know your definition of a leader. For me, it's somebody whom I can trust and who consistently expresses values I can identify with. Like a society which is fairer than we have had in this country for a very long time. For me, that's not Cameron. Not Blair. Not Boris. Jeremy Corbyn should stay.
Munsterlander
29th Jun 2016
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Notdeadyet-I agree with you Jeremy is a good man at heart and believes in helping the less well off in society. members have voted for him. he should stay.
Lionel
29th Jun 2016
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Notdeadyet, neither am I, although the state, I think would prefer that to be otherwise - no pension payouts.

First, I'm against Boris becoming Prime Minister, although tonight the odds look in his favour. Having read his book about Churchill (it was not a bad summary) I believe he has imbibed too much of the Churchillian spirit which for him is a delusion. Churchill's mantle as a war leader was a one off. It is not now a case of wrapping oneself in a perceived Churchillian mantle and prattling on. We will pay the price for his delusion if he's elected!

Yes, I think Corbyn is basically a good man, although now caught up in the Labour system when for so many years he was a back bencher and aloof. He's not a leader, no, but, as far as todays Labour party is concerned he's a good background think-tank man, incapable of directly influencing events.
Firinne
30th Jun 2016
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If he's 'incapable of influencing events', then he certainly has shaken things up this week!!

Sure you're not underestimating the effect he has had on hundreds of thousands of people?
April23
29th Jun 2016
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Very true. think he would make a damn good coil in a better political party tho. I not said Labour Party becouse I do think our 2 Main Parties are too far gone and we need a middle ground to unite them BUT I remember that happening with SDP in early eighties so my Political mode is now Que serra, Serra.
Lionel
29th Jun 2016
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Que serra, Que serra, wasn't that Doris Day? Maybe wrong there.

Rather sadly the SDP came at just the wrong time. There was insufficient difference between Tories and Labour for them to scramble for a popular middle ground.

Now, with both main parties impotent, at least publicly so, there is a wide open gap between them and the moderates of both parties may fill that ground and take power, to lead us forward.

I don't believe tonight either main part has sufficient voting traction to do that.
megra
30th Jun 2016
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Actually, it's que sera...
Notdeadyet
29th Jun 2016
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Just wanted to say, Lionel, that I have learnt a few things about Mr Churchill over recent years and he was not the saint that everyone sees him as and he was not always liked by the world leaders of his time so another reason for Boris not to try and emulate him. As you say, Churchill was a one-off and of his time.
Wilf
29th Jun 2016
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Churchill like all of us had positives and negatives.....But he was a giant of the 20th Century. A soldier, poet, painter, politician and the right man for the moment. Boris is a mere midget compared to Churchill
Lionel
29th Jun 2016
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Exactly, a man of his times!

He was not a deliberate fraud, but he was not the man of public perception then or now. But then nobody cared, with had a charismatic public figure whose speeches galvanised the doubting population and for the first time since Lloyd George we had a national leader.

I think we look to Churchill with some amount of nostalgia because we have not had such a charismatic public leader since; not a leader who delivered the result we all wanted.

You might argue Thatcher was in that mould, but ... she divided the nation, she did not unite it!

To now try to copy Churchill in these times is a gross mistake, and one we should all be wary of. A national leader is for his/her times, not before nor after their times. They are a one off.
April23
29th Jun 2016
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In my opinion our political system has been in need of radical change for a long time.
Corbyn has a purpose even though Labour is in a mess which is of many years making but I will remember him as a loyal Captain of a ship that has sadly ran aground and come hell or high water he determined to steer it.
I hope Jeremy Corbyn is relieved for his own wellbeing sake because he seems too decent a human being to Lead our now sad Labour Party
Lionel
29th Jun 2016
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April, if I may here express an opinion. I agree with you. John Smith was the last decent Labour leader, open minded, inclusive and anti-EU. Well, actually that's not entirely true. He wanted other terms of membership and I believe he died for that, Mr. Blair taking his mantle, but illegitimately.

Jeremy Corbin's views, I feel, are too far left of public opinion to have any great impact, which means he will struggle to win any elections.

This country, and indeed Europe, is leaning to the right - Marine le Penn, and others I can't now name. A rank and file Socialist hasn't much to say to the right leaning electorate in these times, so rather sadly, he his been hounded not for his faults, but rather his beliefs not being in step with public opinion.

Michael Foot suffered the same fate.
April23
29th Jun 2016
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Lionel Thank You very much. You made the point I trying to explain and I remember John Smith who sadly died in 1994.
In my Part of Yorkshire we had an MP Bob Cryer a rank and file Socialist who said what he thought and fell out with mainstream often but sadly died in 1994 too young like John Smith. I hope you see my previous comment about Corbyn
HaroldGodwinson
1st Jul 2016
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Bob Cryer was a great man
Lionel
29th Jun 2016
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April, yes I read your earlier comment with some amount of agreement.

I remember Bob Cryer, I was a shepherd in North Yorkshire at the time. Housed in Muker. The flock was, well, everywhere over the Moors because the Collies wouldn't work for me, just their master!

Cryer was a one off. Our MP's today are too scared of speaking out against the main stream - do they fear loss of something? Or is it they'll not ever be invited to the EU trough? Your guess is as good as mine.
Putty
29th Jun 2016
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I voted Conservative last time, and a few times before that but there is no way I would ever vote Conservative with Boris in charge. I have voted Labour before and would do again if they had a centralist leader who could command wide respect and put this broken Kingdom back together. Would I vote Labour with Corbyn in charge? you must be having a laugh.
Lionel
29th Jun 2016
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Putty, that's my point. Neither Labour or Conservative may command respect from the electorate - they just don't now have the clout! They're out of step with us all.

We can't suddenly invent a new political party from out of the ether and expect it to win a general election, much as I might, just might, like that to be the case. No, my hope is that the moderates from both Labour and Tory parties form a new Centrist party, neither left nor right, dedicated to, and focussed on the well being of this nation as a whole. That breaks the mould of years of two party politics where party comes before the likes of you and I.

And no, I would not cast a vote for Boris!
Wilf
29th Jun 2016
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I think this is the dilemma many are facing both main parties leaders or leaders in waiting are unliked
thefilthycripple
29th Jun 2016
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He was elected by an Internet fit up ,possibly financed by a third party it was akin to Ryan Giggs winning the sports personality of the year or 39000 people from the Vatican City voting for a second vote on referendum . .It is also a bit rich Ed Miiliband saying Corbyn should go when he caused the mess by changing the voting structure of the Laboir party .One thing for sure if Corbyn stays then anybody voting Labour in a general election ,they are wasting their vote as voting for an MP is valueless
Munsterlander
29th Jun 2016
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Corbyn should stay. You are correct in that a lot of this whole mess was caused by Ed Milliband. he was never fit to be Labours leader and ended up a total joke. How can a bloke like him who has never had a proper job in his life and is a multimillionaire living in Islington be a Labour leader. At least Jeremy is a normal bloke and sticks to his guns. Milliband had the media in to show them his kitchen just like Cameron did and then had to admit he had 2 kitchens. Who has 2 kitchens...I never trusted him especially when he was photographed eating that bacon sandwich-what a mess.
thefilthycripple
29th Jun 2016
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I do not think Corbyn has had a proper job either and he is dancing to MacCluskey's tune
Lionel
29th Jun 2016
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Filthycripple, Ed Miliband stabbed his brother in the back and from that single act no good may come. And, at the last General Election no good came for him! He's now an outcast, a Cain with mark on his forehead, forever. He says he's Jewish, but as a man raised as a Jew, and now these near fifty years a Christian, I doubt that very much. There is another answer, and he fits that!

My point is, the best from both Tory and Labour might yet come together in a third mainstream party which could take the nation forward.

As it is we're in a kind of stalemate.
PensionPlus
29th Jun 2016
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Corbyn is only milking the limelight as he will soon disappear into the long grass once the members finally get rid of him as leader.
Labour MPs should advise the membership to think wisely next time they vote or Labour will be replaced as an Opposition Party.
HaroldGodwinson
1st Jul 2016
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The membership are telling their MPs to think wisely but are being ignored, as they race around like headless chickens.
At least 3 are in receipt of 'No confidence' votes from their own constituency parties.... guess what? They like handing them out but not receiving them
Lionel
29th Jun 2016
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Whilst I like the adversarial nature of our politics, it takes two to tango. Frankly, Labour has two left feet since the last election, so a gift to Cameron.
PensionPlus
29th Jun 2016
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madcatnan
29th Jun 2016
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I hoped for real change in the Labour Party when Jeremy was elected but even then though I am with him 100% on his left wing traditional values I didn't see him as a leader or PM. I am so sad at how things have turned out, but what worries me more is that there is no one else among the present Labour MPs I would trust as far as I could throw them, and don't get me started on the choices for the next Conservative leader!
Lionel
29th Jun 2016
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Madcap, this is a part of my argument, that Labour, and then the Tories, will disintegrate as a two horse race for power and something else emerge. From this side of that mergence I welcome something new to consider.
April23
29th Jun 2016
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I totally agree with you Lionel
Wilf
29th Jun 2016
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He seems to be a good bloke but you are right he is no leader and there is nobody in the Labour team who is either. I heard David Milliband mentioned today but that would be a disaster. They should have chosen him 4 years ago instead of his brother
Lionel
29th Jun 2016
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The people would have then chosen him, the unions didn't. We must separate the unions from government, and I was a union member for forty years. Yet I say they must not be directly involved in national politics.
Wilf
29th Jun 2016
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yes you are right Lionel and therein lies the issue for Labour. If they had got David I think he would have put the Tories in their place and we may not even been leaving the EU. Its a real irony. We need the unions but not to the extent of damaging the Labour Party. we now have almost a one party state with the Tories which is a very bad place to be in
Lionel
29th Jun 2016
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It is indeed a bad place to be in. Let it be said, I am not anti Labour, nor am I anti Tory, being a reasonable man weighing and sifting matters as they occur and voting accordingly.

Yes, we need the unions, I have benefitted from being a union member, but not activist, for forty years. As far as I know I've never paid a political levy.

And yes again, I think if David Miliband had been elected to lead Labour, as he was on course so to do until union intervention, then we would have had a right old shindig in the UK over the EU. As to that outcome, well, one may only guess.
tom
29th Jun 2016
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without the backing of his party he just a libility he will not have any left ti form a shadow cabinet
Lionel
29th Jun 2016
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Tom, you're so right. But, as said in my latest post, he may be doing us all a favour without knowing it.
celtwitch
29th Jun 2016
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Labour were finished as a serious political part a long time ago,
Corbyn is a rotten little commie, he is rabidly anti-Semitic (but why?) very pro-Palestine (?) and he supports further immigration.
He should go, go, go, to North Korea...and take the toxic Angela Eagle with him.
Lionel
29th Jun 2016
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Nearly my thoughts! That's a second time in a couple of days!

We need a clear out of the two main parties and reform as two, or better three parties which strive to reflect better the times in which we live and the views of their electorate.

If this present 650 were employed in the steel works now they would already be redundant!
Lionel
29th Jun 2016
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My thoughts on Corbyn, are perhaps are a little off the wall.

For perhaps thirty five years I've felt our two party democracy (?) doesn't best serve the needs of a fast changing country. On the ballot paper, even in local Council elections, the choice is between Labour and Tory. All others who might be mentioned are really non runners.

We as a country need a wider choice than just two parties. I think the 2015 General Election showed that.

Now, whether one voted in or out of the EU, it is immaterial. What matters is that, far from uniting the Tory Party or the Labour party, it has created much deeper divisions within their ranks.

And here is the added sparkle to the referendum, well, as far as I'm concerned. It is not impossible moderates from both leading parties may form a third party and stand against their former alma maters in the next election!

A realistic choice; no longer the same, tired old faces! That must be worth consideration.
bonniefechter
29th Jun 2016
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Corbyn is not a Blairite. He wants the Labour party to be a socialist party and not a Tory mark2 party. The labour party was formed as a socialist party and was highjacked by the awful Blair & co.
Lionel
29th Jun 2016
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Bonnie, to some extent I agree with you. But, whilst Jeremy Corbyn is re-shaping the Labour Party he must also provide an effective, strong and decisive opposition to the Tories. Like Miliband, this he has not done.
Pauline52
29th Jun 2016
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Personally, I think he should go, but I'm not a Labour voter. He seems to be - as people keep saying - a thoroughly decent man, so maybe there's a very good reason why he's being so stubborn? As I understand it, he was voted in largely by several hundred of the 'grass roots' labour membership who each paid £3 for the privilege of voting. If he leaves on the basis of a opinion from a comparative handful of MP's, is he betraying the trust of the grass roots? I suspect that would be his (thoroughly decent) reasoning and there is some logic. Nevertheless, a significant chunk of labour voters went against the party line in the referendum - certainly, enough to make a very big difference. Clearly, there is a serious party divide and Jeremy Corbyn is clearly not pulling it together.
Capricorn
29th Jun 2016
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I think Corbyn is being selfish . Yes he had the votes but not the political nous to take on Parliament .
Wilf
29th Jun 2016
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The problem is he has zero charisma and is not a leader. he should go now before Labour are a total shambles. Its not good for the UK. We need a strong opposition to keep the Tories in check
JohnHerb
29th Jun 2016
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Go Go Go. Nice bloke but totally hopeless as a leader. get in Hilary Benn he is well thought of and his dad was a star. These are testing times we need leadership in the UK.
megra
30th Jun 2016
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I do not understand why anyone would want a crypto-Tory like Hilary Benn to be Labour leader. His father was a man deserving of respect but he isn't.
Wilf
30th Jun 2016
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I think he is an articulate and intelligent man. His dad was smart but a bit of a nutter and was an aristocrat I believe but pretended he was a working class chap
Jo Kingham
29th Jun 2016
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Difficult one. As you quite rightly point out he has a lot of support from party members on the one hand, however I can't help think if your senior team have no confidence you've just got to be gracious and step aside....haven't you ???
Pete H
29th Jun 2016
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This country needs a strong opposition party (especially in these testing times) and comrade Corbyn is clearly incapable of leading one. No other leader would try to hang on in the face of such disapproval from his own party. Time to end the limpet impression and disappear back his past life of quiet protest and anonymity. He has been a total shambles and a disaster for the labour party and the country.
Munsterlander
29th Jun 2016
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He should defiantly stay. Who else have Labour got? Angela Eagle looks hopeless and is about as far from a leader as you could get. The fact is Jeremy was democratically elected by the Labour rank and file. He should stay. If they get the vote again I am sure he will be voted in again. We abide by Brexit when its a democracy---we should abide by Jeremy as he is a democratically elected leader

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