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Would you be prepared to pay more tax to fund the NHS?

MPs are warning that the NHS is in “survival mode”, with hospitals and community health trusts set to go £900 million over budget this year.

A cross-party group of 98 MPs have written to Prime Minister Theresa May, asking her to establish a parliamentary commission to see whether there should be a special NHS tax.

For the first time in more than a decade, a majority of Britons say that they are personally willing to pay more to increase spending, according to the respected British Social Attitudes survey.

They are increasingly dissatisfied with the state of the NHS, with almost three times as many saying that it has got worse as say it has improved, a gap not recorded since the late 1990s.

With an ageing populations and funds not able to meet the NHS costs, what are your views? Should we pay more tax to fund the struggling NHS?

Would you be prepared to pay more tax to fund the NHS?

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Johnmillington
20th Jul 2018
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This country pays 20% in tax, other country’s pay 40% in tax for social services. And as result get good social services, while we in this country have services that are behind 3th world country’s.
Every government we have had for the last 30 years has been frightened to death to put taxes up.
If we want good National Health and public services then we need a government who have the balls to put up national taxation
rockyboy2
5th Jul 2018
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My wife and myself have paid tax for over 50 years why should we pay more? Also the government cheated her out of retiring at 60 with no advance warning. My solution STOP the seven billion in foreign aid and give it to the NHS
Johnmillington
20th Jul 2018
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It is more like 11 billion
anntrousisme
28th Jun 2018
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I wonder how much it would have cost my parents for the skills of the paediatric surgeon who saved my life when I had peritonitis in 1951 when I was 6 years old, had there been no NHS by then. I have nothing but praise for the NHS as I have received very good health care all my life. I had to wait for several months for a 3 hour spinal operation by a neurosurgeon 10 years ago (how much would that have cost?) but it was worth the wait. I think adults over 21 should pay a (possibly variable) contribution for life. I would be very willing to pay a contribution at source from my state pension as soon as practicable, provided the amount involved is fairly worked out for all of us.
viking
20th Jun 2018
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It is no longer"would you be prepared to pay more taxes". See latest headlines, YOU WILL BE PAYING MORE TAXES TO Etc.Etc
Well worth paying extra tax providing it really will go in it's entirety to the NHS, and in return they must stop the wastage, and clamp down on the foreign freeloaders.
Billythequiche
9th Jun 2018
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The NHS cannot really be short of money, it was announced this week that they will be providing extra funds/ free treatment for gender reassignment, feminization/masculinulization? Also for hormone treatment, facial hair removal, adams apple shaving, breast augmentation/removal and genital alteration.
You can die waiting for breast cancer surgery or prostate cancer drugs, especially if you are older, because of lack of money but you can change sex for free.
I have no interest or prejudice in or against people who want to become something different but I thought the NHS was meant to prevent illness, cure disease and ameliorate the suffering of the infirm. If there really is a crisis, priorities must be decided on the risk to life and health first.
viking
11th Jun 2018
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Agree, and I think it raises the issue of where do these cosmetic operations get carried out ? Are they "farmed" out to private hospitals therefore sending an inflated bill to the NHS, or are they jamming up the NHS hospitals operating theatres ??
rockyboy2
5th Jul 2018
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I agree it is a total disgrace
viking
2nd Jun 2018
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I would hate to work for the NHS as I feel I would be reduced to tears or suffer a heart attack by now due to the continual sniping and bad mouthing by the press and TV.
For heavens sake back off you sensation seeking newspapers and journalists.
The service is brilliant in spite of the obvious, and please, everyone in the service keep your chin up , you are all so cheerful in spite of those who wish to increase circulation and viewing figures by continually carrying out a vendetta.
CarolM
25th May 2018
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The NHS saved my life when I was 'knocked down' as a teenager, I was in a coma for 18 days and cared for in hospital for 13 weeks. My eldest daughter was born 'naturally' with the NHS and for my youngest I needed an emergency caesarian operation without which both of us could have died. I don't think I could afford £2000 personally, but between my husband and myself we could do.
Denys1954
12th May 2018
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The only chips I want are the ones you can eat, not one of those things they stick in the back of your neck.

As scandiman said in a previous post, we are the Baby boomers and we are getting old and need care. We are also the ones that have put the most into the NHS through taxes and National insurance over the years. We have paid for our care in advance, it is the Government and the NHS Management that have used our money and now when we need it there is nothing in the coffers to fund it.
viking
12th May 2018
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Very true BaW I like what you have said.As regards your last paragraph unfortunately the idea of people in this country having to carry an ID card or similar is thought of as blaspheme by the political class. If it were ever to happen [of course it won't !!] then all those illegals and nere do wells would be shown up. This would be an embarrassment for Westminster. The slack way the institutions are run here only leads to one thing [ all covered in recent happenings ]
BaW
11th May 2018
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I have nothing but good things to say about the NHS; I have received excellent treatment whenever I have asked for or needed it. That said, I have used private practitioners when unable to access NHS care in a timely fashion to deal with injuries and illness which would only get worse without treatment. So, what about introducing incentives to reduce the load on the NHS? Perhaps tax breaks for anyone who chooses (and of course can afford) to go private because of having to wait on the NHS for weeks/months/years for treatment, or for folk who are obliged to go private if they cannot access NHS services close to them (for example dentists).

The NHS is for everybody who is a citizen of the country, or for anybody in emergency...but all users should contribute towards it. So, given that workers in this country pay tax and NI, implement a proper recouping of money from foreigners not entitled to our services (including emergency treatment) - other countries manage this very well. Other commenters have covered other means of saving, but I would add no vanity surgery should be paid for by taxpayers.

One certain way of increasing NHS funding would be to reallocate the ridiculous amount the UK gives to the Overseas Aid budget (£13.3 billion last year). What a vanity law that is. Overseas Aid should be given on a well-balanced assessment of need and as a moral duty, not just a pumping out of tax payers' money because our politicians feel good about it and to meet a European target - and in sums which are nearly double that compared to the average of all countries.

Any cost-savings must go hand-in-hand with reorganisation so that there is a cohesive NHS strategy to manage a patient and their needs. This would include all GPs, specialists, social care either at home or in recuperation units, and hospitals. Many agencies and even departments in the same medical facility simply waste time on revisiting symptoms, treatments, etc, on every visit, rather than being able to see what a patient has already been through and reported - so improvement of how notes are held would save precious staff time. A centralised system (I know it's been tried, but surely there is the expertise somewhere to do this efficiently) would be best and most secure in this day of GDPR , but perhaps an individual smart card (as mentioned by another contributor is implemented in Spain) for each patient to carry with all their records, NHS number, etc, which is updated every time they access any medical treatment. If we can chip a pet, then technology is out there to enable much better efficiency.
madmitch
11th May 2018
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If it was run and controlled properly there are plenty of funds to run it. Just remove some of the fat cats and wasters and charge those who are not entitled.
scandiman
8th May 2018
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Not forgetting that older people are to be taxed more to pay for their care. Also in order to ‘heal the generational divide’ under 25s will be given £10k to help them buy a home. Oh, and not forgetting of course, that we older ones have ruined our children’s future by voting Brexit.
viking
6th May 2018
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All the contributors here know the answers. Why oh why won't the politicians listen to the people ? Answer why should they, when they all have private health schemes provided by our taxes.
Private hospital treatment, doctors on call 24/7 home visits etc. etc.,
It is a different world for them, so why worry about the serfs. That is until the next election, when the hands will be wrung again, and the mantra repeated yet once more !!
scandiman
3rd May 2018
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How typical of politicians. After decades someone has finally realised the Baby Boomers are getting old and need care. Instead of planning for this they blame us for getting old. Of course, NHS problems couldn’t possibly have anything to do with mass immigration and health tourism could it? The money they get should be better used. They’re top heavy with management. Instead of each Trust doing its own purchasing it should be centralised. Their IT is a joke, and I know this from someone who works for a company called in to deal with it. It’s using Windows XP or 2000 which is old software. They pay massively inflated prices for everything. Successive governments have failed to make health work an attractive prospect so no-one wants to do it. Medical staff are over-worked and leaving in large numbers. We have to travel 17 miles to nearest hospital. For my eye clinic appointment next week I will arrive by 3pm and probably won’t leave until at least 6. The time spent actually being seen will be 20 minutes; done it before and I’ve timed it. My town of 27,000 does not and apparently won’t be having a hospital. Seeing a GP is almost impossible. So no, I won’t pay any more. The wastage and inefficiency has to stop.
Costezuela
1st May 2018
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Firstly may I say that I didn't vote on this matter because I live in Spain.
Secondly, I would like to tell you about the Andalucian Health Authority - I live in a small mountain village inland from the Costa del Sol. We have a Doctor's surgery which is open 24/7/365!! - There is an ambulance also on site and when this is needed it always travels with a Doctor and a Paramedic on board.
As a resident I have a medical card which contains all my medical history and it isprogrammed in such a way that any Doctor within the NHS can access my records. Also, any medication prescribed is entered onto this card and any Pharmacy can access the info. but not themedical record.
This levelof service is not unique to where I live but is available throughout Andalucia - the system is run chiefly by the Doctor's with a small administration team behind it - there are no multi layers of management 'creaming' off the top!!
Bernard Wooller
28th Apr 2018
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I've been paying for 54 years into it and I see millions of people who have arrived here recently virtually go straight on it, people who are not entitled to be treated are not pursued enough for payment
Grey lady 13
28th Apr 2018
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I don’t understand why in patients are not asked to pay £2/3 per day for their meals. They would have to buy food at home. This could raise a lot of money for the NHS from the people using it, and not have shortfalls met by all taxpayers.
I don’t pay tax, by the way, but I would be willing to pay for hospital meals.
viking
2nd May 2018
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The last time that I was in hospital the meals could only be described as adequate. The cooking staff did their best with the limited rescources and the money that is available.
Perhaps some of the morbidly obese could have the £3 worth of hospital food sent to their homes to trim off a few pounds !!
methilman7
27th Apr 2018
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There is plenty of money in this country, but far too much of it is in the hands of greedy over-paid people. We could easily fund a decent NHS if less money were paid to the greedy and more were given to the needy. Huge pay-rises and bonuses might be legal, but they are also immoral.
Darkstar
27th Apr 2018
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The N.H.S is badly run. If run as a business it would have gone bust years ago. It needs good management to look at costing and better use of resources.
Lionel
28th Apr 2018
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Darkstar, I don't see how one may run a free at the point of delivery medical service as a business.

The NHS is a State owned asset, State funded and State run (rather sadly). Thus I take the opposite view, the NHS tells Whitehall what it requires and Whitehall coughs up.
Darkstar
30th Apr 2018
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Sorry Lionel. There can never be an endless amount of money. The N.H.S. must be run better for any chance of survival.
Zena510
26th Apr 2018
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I would be keener to pay a little extra to the NHS if I was assured it was going in that direction.
I also would be encouraged more if the whole of the management of NHS was streamlined and ran much better,
Costezuela
25th Apr 2018
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Having read most of the comments to date the one thing nobody mentions is that the NHS in England is top heavy with self serving managment who take huge salries and contribute nothing to the welfare and care of patients - start at the top and work down -cut out several layers of 'management' who are paid to do nothing and then start at the other end and get tough with patients who clog up the system -missing appointments, goingto A&E withminor problems etc.
Boz
24th Apr 2018
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Why should we pat more when there are people who dont pay at all, the NHS should chase those who dont pay, make people show ID before any treatment, its the same old story punish those who are honest and the dishonest get away again and again
2017seeSaw
23rd Apr 2018
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Until NHS Bosses get to grips with WASTE, then perhaps we can see the true cost of running our NHS.
Over the counter drugs, should and will be limited, thank goodness: £3.50 for Paracetamol, when same can be sourced for circa 16p -18p in any supermarket.
£24million spent on constipation remedies. Madness.
Missed appointments waste vast amounts of money.
20 different types of rubber gloves, wastes money.
Too many outpatient and follow up appointments.
Selfish people clogging up ALL A & E Departments, go and take a look for yourself.
Drunks, in A & E. at one time the Police would Police this, not any more, poor NHS staff abused by louts.
ColinM1
21st Apr 2018
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Your question is basically flawed . Health and NHS matters are devolved . You are obviously referring to England and not the other countries . I live in Scotland and despite some problems ( NHS Tayside where I live has been in the spotlight ) the overall situation . Free prescriptions are the norm . I can get a medical appointment to see a doc or nurse and see them within 24 hours . The UK is 4 countries not one !
Lionel
28th Apr 2018
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Nay I suggest this might be political window dressing while starving other sectors of funding?
ColinM1
29th Apr 2018
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Window dressing ? No, Scotland has got its priorities right unlike other parts of the UK . Health policies passed in Holyrood by democratic vote to the benefit of the people .
Onecott
18th Apr 2018
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Yes ,there are so many procedures done on the NHS these days that I feel it is unrealistic not to pay a little bit more towards our care.
viking
18th Apr 2018
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Not to sure about your comment Westminster, considering the NHS is the 3rd largest employer of labour inTHE WHOLE WORLD ! How would the trade unions view this, with corporate companies in this country with such a poor record of asset stripping etc. etc.etc. ???
Westminster
17th Apr 2018
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Nothing provided by the State is ever going to be top class. Money to the NHS is like throwing money into a bottomless pit.

We should copy Germany and France, and have a medical system run by an insurance company on a limited time contract.

If the company does not perform up to scratch it can be replaced.
Kes
17th Apr 2018
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They don’t need more money, especially more money from the people of this country. The NHS and it’s money is badly mismanaged. There are far too many people draining the service who have never paid a penny piece into the system. I could go on, but I don’t have the energy.
Lionel
17th Apr 2018
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I see from last week's press there's a move in Whitehall to tax pensioners so as to pay for their care needs. I guess it's a sort of insurance policy messed about by government.

In view of the fact it is reported so many pensioners are on the breadline, so it is also reported, this extra tax seems like a hare brained scheme. In fact, it makes hares look bright and I know they're not.
Pam1960
16th Apr 2018
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The last time I was in A&E was last year when in the middle of the night my husband developed breathing problems and a swollen tongue. I called 999 and the paramedics arrived within 5 minutes. Taken to hospital and seen and diagnosed immediately. Allergic reaction to his blood pressure medication. They treated him and monitored him fi r a few hours before letting him come home. Great service. Unfortunately for the NHS it was Freshers week. A&E was packed with young people suffering from drink and drug related issues. Police were present and nursing staff spent most of their time cleaning up vomit. The NHS is not a babysitting service, charge them for wasting valuable staff time. Also charge those who go to their GP when they have a cold. How many times do they have to be told to take paracetamol and rest. If you charged all the time wasters the NHS may have some money.
ruby tuesday
16th Apr 2018
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to me its simple if i go abroad i must take holiday ins ..what about the visitors that come here with no ins.. get treated for free .this should be looked into

sorry to be so blunt i started working as a young 15 year old girl paid all my taxes im now a 75 year old woman who still works hard it anoys me to see the health service being abused
viking
15th Apr 2018
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Interestingly enough Jean mark, in the Sunday newspaper that I have read to-day there is an interesting article confirming what previous contributors have said, namely how little is clawed back from different hospitals, from foreign "visitors" which seems to be at odds with your observations.
However I do agree with your observations about the large corporations trying every which way to get money from the "cash cow"[the NHS]. Just look at how new build hospitals are financed and the interest payments incurred to the builders.
Yodama
15th Apr 2018
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Waste, bad management and chaos. Maybe a ruse to steer us into accepting privatisation.
I copy from my earlier post.

The NHS has at present 1.4 million staff and a £104.3 Billion annual budget. Giants of business, finance and construction are drawn like flies to this huge budget.
They build roads, railways, dig tunnels and run prisons to re-shape the health landscape, they have been flexing their muscles over the past decade.

The question is "who owns the NHS?" If you think it should be for the people and the people should own it you are sadly mistaken. It's deregulated threads now unravel to investment firms, overseas parent companies and.........yes! ......THE MULTINATIONALS .

Market analysts predict rich pickings from the NHS, a recent report by corporate finance specialists Catalyst suggested £20 Billion of private business could be carved from the Coalition's health reforms which have opened up NHS supply services to Commercial providers.

Bridgepoint Capital has about £5 billion invested in health care. It believes there will be excellent growth and consolidation opportunities for private sector players that can offer efficient and innovative business models.
Sir Richard Branson’s Virgin Care has won £750million worth of NHS business but has been dogged by complaints that services have been reduced at GP practices and community health clinics it controls.
“The Virgin business model is commercially confidential but the gossip is they take five per cent off every contract. So a district nurse does £100 of health care for £95 for having the benefit of Richard Branson being her boss and a lot of district nurses don’t like that.”
Private companies are cutting corners.
I think before we start looking anywhere else, we should be looking at the huge corporate tentacles spreading throughout the NHS and suffocating it. Always the same greed, greed, greed. Not to mention the cost of pharmaceuticals, over charging by the giants.

Slowly but surely we are being herded and swallowed up, privatisation on a very large scale is firmly ensconced and will ultimately take over. News and programmes like Panorama bleating gloom and doom for NHS, when it is the Giants of industry who are going to take over and run it, There is enough money in the NHS just not enough for the bloodsuckers.
Circle Health who are so proud of their private health Hospital in Cambridge, has lost £4.1 million in the first six months.

Kick them all out, it is out of hand and unmanageable now, get back to basics. The other question is, who is oiling Politicians hands so that they can get a huge slice of the cake?
There is a lot more going on then the daily blurb on the TV, lulling you and leading you up the wrong path. ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS, it is the big corporations at the bottom of every failed enterprise and every rotten decision.
2017seeSaw
23rd Apr 2018
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The only part that rang a bell for me, was Back to Basics.
When any business, worth its salt, is in trouble, then someone somewhere, has stopped doing the basics.
In a room of 'complainers; recently, I asked one simple question:

The NHS is funded through taxation. Who, here today is paying tax? Not one single hand went up.

Big Corporations, are only big, because they are efficient, and provide jobs for people, who then pay taxes.

If we give the NHS any more billions, then they will simply, pour it into their buckets, and out will come the money. Better care? No.
kentrix39
15th Apr 2018
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No.
Get rid of the so-called managers at the highest level and charge all people that have not lived here and contributed to NHS via taxes a sliding scale of charges to be taken straight from their credit/debit card as is done in Europe. I had my debit card charged before I could claim back by insurance, that was Spain when we were supposed to be in the EU.
Too many foreigners are being let off or not billed for treatment once all these things are buttoned up finances will improve,
Stop hiring "advisors" that cost thousands of pounds, what on earth are these "managers" paid for. As a manager when I worked, I sorted my own problems out, that was what I was paid for. Unfortunately I had to give up work some years ago when I was 72 gone down hill ever since, however I still think I could work on any problem and find a solution.
jeanmark
18th Apr 2018
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Interesting kentrix39, when I was in Spain I only had to show them my passport and EHIC card and all but my antibiotics were free. My course of antibiotics cost me €5! Usually you receive free treatment for those things the local population receive free.

As for your problem-solving abilities, do you think you would have been able to solve all the problems you were presented with in the NHS? Clinical problems are a doodle compared to managerial and financial ones!
sphillips
14th Apr 2018
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Pensioners get free prescriptions sometimes including several items. If there was a non-compulsory charge of £1 per prescription - not per item - I believe that would raise a significant amount of money for the NHS. I realise it would mean a change in computer software but surely the benefit would out-way the initial cost.
2017seeSaw
23rd Apr 2018
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Agreed. £1 per prescription would raise millions.

Within a population of circa 200,000 probably over 50% of people get free prescriptions, for all sorts of reasons.

Madness. We pay for teeth, we pay for glasses, we pay insurance for our cars and homes.

NHS free at the point of delivery, yes, providing all of the authorisation(s) have been checked.
SCKate
14th Apr 2018
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Wouldn't it be an idea the NHS to set up a private Health Scheme for patients who could afford to pay a lesser fee than that of larger Health Insurance companies. So that it becomes a half and half. It would go someway to reducing the burden from the tax payer.
I also agree with SueC62 The NHS should look at reducing it's administration costs. And it needs to seriously look at Foreigners coming in for tourist treatment. This is an absolute outrage and not what our NHS was set up for. Travel insurance needs to be produced before treatment is given. I wouldn't dream of travelling to another country without it so why should they leave their countries without it.
sphillips
14th Apr 2018
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SueC62
13th Apr 2018
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I think the issue is with the calibre of some of the managers. Some of the processes that are in place are the cause of financial loss. For example, my father had an operation at one hospital. Back home, there was a reaction. The 'process' demands that he has to go to the local A&E, wait hours, for the busy A&E doctor to confirm what the paramedic had said, that he needed to go back to the operating hospital because only they could fix it. Twice this happened. Waste of ambulance staff time/fuel, A&E staff time and poor dad lying on a trolley for hours until he could be transferred.

I also many years ago contracted for 12 months as a project assistant in an administrative office. I was grossly overpaid for the type of work they gave me but I wasn't about to complain! They actually didn't have any work for me but the position existed so they filled it. Everyone was 'so busy' but we temps used to the private sector, could see they weren't. They offered a permanent job to a 7 months' pregnant temp who was delighted to shortly be going on maternity leave on full pay and at the end of the year, they had a massive financial blowout on an 'away day' because 'if we don't use up the budget we won't get it next year'. I found this the most stressful job I've ever had because every day, I'd walk in wondering how on earth I was going to stretch my tasks to fill the day. And yet ill people are denied life saving treatment.....
Emski
13th Apr 2018
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In the 1950's, we had steam trains, for these we needed an Iron foundry along with machine shops, Boiler makers welders etc etc not forgetting the coal to power them. Thousands and thousands of workers paying into the NHS in the days before multi million pound scanners etc. Those jobs are long gone, along with the thousands upon thousands of pounds of contributions paid into the health service.
It would appear that today we have the scanners and all the advances in technology but with far less money being paid in.
The government does not help by turning the screws on the people who run the hospital's to meet deadlines with ever decreasing finance available, Not only that, The government must insist that people visiting this country should have health insurance to cover them for any treatment that they receive from the NHS .(as we do in their country)
We all must pay more into the NHS before the powers that be scrap it and adopt a private health scheme like that in the states.
To have the best we have to pay for it!
Salky
13th Apr 2018
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Of course I would pay more to help the NHS. This crisis goes way back to Thatcher and her ridiculous inclusion of “market forces” into the service. She totally wrecked it from the word “Go”.
However, not only would higher taxes help, I think the common sense thing would be to stop the millions of pounds in overseas aid being wasted abroad, paying out on enriching despots in already wealthy countries.
Jean177
13th Apr 2018
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Agree with you but sadly the one thing missing in the NHS today is “common sense”.
JackR
13th Apr 2018
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Too many managers! The managers are paid on the basis of how many people are reporting to them - ridiculous! You can imagine the consequences! Put the money into front line medical staff.
jeanmark
13th Apr 2018
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Not sure I can agree with that thought and every organisation needs managers at different levels, and the NHS is one of the largest employers in the UK. Most NHS managers are paid on the basis of the size and complexity of the service they manage and the degree of responsibility. As to putting money into front line medical staff, I hope you include nurses in that. They are the only staff continually with patients 24 hours a day, 7 days a week etc. They get much less money than their medical colleagues, but are relied upon to keep doctors informed about a patients condition.
Lionel
13th Apr 2018
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It's the front line staff of medics that concern me most. From a very limited experience with my wife we put upon them and have higher expectations than they may deliver.

They're human as we all are. They must be delivered time for a quality of life outside medicine. They must be paid according to their worth to British society. Don't understand this is the case at the moment.

Very many years ago in London I was at college with a nurse, Steph. So often she would miss classes for a week or two because the hospital demanded she work extra hours. As I recall, and I may be wrong here, her basic week was 80 hours. On top of that she wanted to study to improve herself. So many times a couple of us would go to her lodgings and coach her in our subject. She passed the exam.

80 hours a week is no life at all. I know, I've done it so many times in another industry.

The NHS must, absolutely must, re-evalute it's view of front line staff and pay them accordingly. Yes, I'm in favour of pay hikes for front line staff and would be happy to pay more tax to achieve that.
JackR
1st May 2018
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Sorry for delay. Definitely include nurses - front line and have all my support. It is not that I think the NHS doesn't need managers, of course it does. It is the number and the method of arriving at their remuneration of which I am critical. This is not from first hand experience, but it is from a finance manager in the Nuffield organisation who has direct dealings with the NHS.
IvyR
13th Apr 2018
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I have been paying into the NHS for 55yrs.
caaland
13th Apr 2018
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All persons who qualify for free NHS services, should carry a NHS medical identity card which much be produced at doctors, hospitals, A&E etc. Qualified persons are all those born in the UK or have legitimate UK nationality; legal visa holders, EU nationals or other foreigners who pay NI and UK taxes as a starter...
dickjones
13th Apr 2018
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Agree that we should reduce international aid; also until the NHS can get its own house in order and get rid of all the managers who appears to do little to improve service to patients i do not see why i should pay extra which in all likely event will end up in a big black hole!
Blackdan
13th Apr 2018
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Cut back on international aid by half and use that money to fund the NHS
AlisonP24
13th Apr 2018
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The NHS are struggling due to mismanagement. Too many managers, Too many changes in process. Too much money wasted on simple things. Time to take politics out of the NHS. Stop free treatment for those who are not entitled. Turn people away from A&E if they are not an emergency. Charge people for missed appointments if there is no valid reason (dentists do).
caaland
13th Apr 2018
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I've seen so much wastage of materials, time and transport only due to top heavy mismanagement
johntoothill
13th Apr 2018
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We should also bring in payment before treatment for overseas patients and introduce an insurance scheme they can buy before entry for this .
jeanmark
13th Apr 2018
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I would hate to bring in an US type system where someone becoming critically ill was denied care and treatment because they were unable to identify if they had sufficient funds in their pocket. Other countries, like the UK, do have travel health insurances. but they may not always cover unexpected costs, as many UK citizens have found out when they travel abroad.
johntoothill
13th Apr 2018
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They should have to make sure they had just as our. Own people in their countries have to . Our country is not a charity for all other nations and we that is what is helping cause part of the problems we now face . Bills they promise to meet and fail to do . Charity begins at home .. We could also use some of foreign aid budget to help balance the .nhs books . Our own people deserve a first class service not a service tied down with debts of non residents .
jeanmark
14th Apr 2018
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I can assure you many brits travelling abroad fail to bother to get insurance and then complain went hit with a large bill. At the moment any UK citizen travelling in Europe should carry the EHIC card and will then receive free emergency treatment for anything the local population receive free treatment for. When I was taken ill in Spain I only had to pay for my antibiotics - they cost me €5 for the full course!

Many overseas travellers do have health insurance but as I have already noted, it may not always cover unexpected costs. I fail to understand why so many people believe non- UK residents all come over here for free treatment. Many do pay when it is a planned admission and often before they are discharged. Emergency treatment will be given or would you suggest that if someone develops an acute illness or is involved in an accident they should be refused treatment unless they pay up front?
johntoothill
14th Apr 2018
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My comments are based on fact of the level of unpaid and unrecoverable bills issued by .NHS. Our own people have not this preferential treatment overseas in so many countries. There is no reason why they should have it here at our expense when rest of our people suffer because of it . We and our parents paid from wages all our lives to give us and our children a good service . Not a poor service because funds have been used for those who have not contributed or never will . As I said there could be an health charge made on visitors here to cover all costs . That is fair . I can appreciate your humanitarian views but not at the cost of our own people having to wait for hours in A&E , cancelled operations and long waits for treatments amd appointments . Charity begins at home. I think Jean we must agree to differ on this one .
jeanmark
14th Apr 2018
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My comments are based on experience, having worked in the NHS for 47 years, 20 of which at a budget holding management level. My specialist field did care for overseas visitors who had an acute illness, the majority of whom did pay their bills. But then I was in a speciality that you wouldn't want us to deny them care and treatment!

I do understand your concerns but know from experience that the problems with the NHS are multifaceted. I find it difficult to accept many of the comments on this subject, as they appear to blame everyone but themselves. I have seen more abuse of the system from home grown citizens than overseas ones. I think it is also worth noting that we benefit more from overseas workers, than those overseas visitors that abuse the system.
johntoothill
14th Apr 2018
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With all due respect to you and the work you did and past experience, I am basing my comments on figures at most two years old based on what NHS published nationally not on one isolated unit a few years past . I am not talking about European workers using E11 type credentials, I'm taking about other nationalities who are not covered by that . Yes some do benefit our country , especially in NHS roles but they are not the defaulters. We have not only cost of this treatment left unpaid despite promises but addition cost of admin staff trying to recover what they can of it . Yes I agree that problems are multifaceted and this is not major cause but an important one I feel . I do not condone abuse of the system by anyone of any nationality . It applies to all abuse of it . My late wife also worked in the NHS so I am also not ignorant of the problems . There is also so much game play for political gain by the Labour Party and unions going on . It should stop and a non - political solution be sought by all .
jeanmark
15th Apr 2018
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I totally agree are with the last statement, many of the problems such as wastage etc. can be laid at the doors of politicians, of all parties. Take politics out of the equation and things could improve.
johntoothill
13th Apr 2018
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Yes provided it goes into patient care and not admin etc . Retain or bring back Complex care teams urgently as these are bring run down on cost grounds but give an excellent service .
Lynn100
13th Apr 2018
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I’d be glad to pay more tax if it was ringfenced for front line care in hospitals & GP surgeries but not if it was used for yet another reorganisation or another layer of management. It’s time to let the NHS consolidate the work it does without interference from Government.
Lionel
13th Apr 2018
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Lynn, it's got to be more than ring fenced it must be written into something like Magna Carta which is unchangeable by any government.

I do not want to see additional NHS funds put into general taxation like the Vehicle Excise Duty which is spent else where so there's little or nothing for potholes.
thefilthycripple
13th Apr 2018
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I would but I would like to der a drastic pruning of top heavy management . I have severe reservations about the quality of mamy of thesr pen pushers
orchardlane
13th Apr 2018
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It is about time we realized that we are a small country. We cannot afford to support overseas dubious governments neither should we expend so much on aircraft carriers and multi million pound military planes.

Let us reconsider our priorities.
DaveC6
13th Apr 2018
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some people think this government is doing well. I don't, they don't sem to understand that inflation costs all of us but most of all the government coffers. Cutting money from everything can only end with there being no services left. The only answer is to increase tax so that all services can continue, especially the NHS
Jakki
13th Apr 2018
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Running in it's present form, I would not be willing to pay more for the NHS. It needs a MAJOR overhaul on spending. We all know drugs cost lots of money but as they've recently pointed out, things such as paracetamol on prescription cost £8.80, but buying a packet in the supermarket is less than 20p. Also, need to stop the stupid practice of patients DEMANDING antibiotics when they're not needed & are actually ineffectual. Why can't the doctor just say no you can't have it? There's no denying we need more GP's when the average waiting time for an appointment is 3 weeks. You could either be dead or cured within that time & it's no wonder many go to A&E which only means several hours waiting rather than 3 weeks. The NHS does need more money to cope with the influx of population, new & expensive drugs & procedures & more staff to deal with it all but without dealing with the wastage that goes on already, it's like throwing good money after bad.
jeanmark
13th Apr 2018
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Have you ever been confronted with a patient demanding paracetamol, antibiotics or other such medication on prescription? I can assure you it can be a life long memory!
Jakki
13th Apr 2018
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I am not a doctor, so no I haven't. Perhaps the money saved by not giving out these prescriptions could be used for security officers instead!
Lionel
13th Apr 2018
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Yes, Jeanmark, patient expectation is far too high.

I was raised by my grand parents who were Victorians. I don't think they ever grasped the fact medical care had become free. As I look back I don't think my parents did either.

As a consequence I appreciate the NHS. I don't always agree with the doctor so we have a discussion, well it is my body.

Unless we value something it has no worth to us and may be used and abused at will. I've witnessed this in A & E late last year.

The point is we must pay for what we have. What we pay for, sometimes sacrificially, has value to us. Fact of life. Further to that, because we read in a red top newspaper or online that xyz has this beneficial effect isn't necessarily the truth. It's journalism to sell newspapers. If one has a cold don't expect the doctor to prescribe antibiotics! Infact, don't bother the doctor at all!

Our values have become skewed.
jeanmark
14th Apr 2018
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There are security personnel but you can hardly afford to employ one for each doctor. Maybe patients should start taking some responsibility, there is plenty of information out there for them to be informed. Unfortunately we have raised generations who believe it is their right to have everything they ask for believing it is 'free'.
Jakki
14th Apr 2018
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viking
13th Apr 2018
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Reading through this, it seems that there are some really good ideas to help the finances of the NHS. So why don't the
politicians and the so called leaders of the health service listen, take notes and put some or all of these ideas into practice ??
It certainly looks as though politicians in particular are just dragging their feet and waiting for the "elbow" at the next election time, thus leaving a successor to take the poisoned chalice.
val d
13th Apr 2018
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They need to get overseas visitors to pay for their treatment and also any immigrants should not be allowed free National Health they should have to pay for treatment unless they have been in the country for more than 3 years.
NickB1
13th Apr 2018
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Yes, but as others have said, only if it was guaranteed to go into the NHS, and it needs to go alongside reforms to the structure - the internal market has to go in order to achieve greater discounts and efficiencies on a national basis.
barbaratoms
13th Apr 2018
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Would pay extra tax if it was guaranteed to go to the NHS
HazelD8
13th Apr 2018
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Several fs ily members work for the NHS and are appalled by the amount of wasted money which is spent on a regular basis. There are frequent reorganisations/mergers etc of areas supposedly cost cutting when they have to reapply for their jobs, sometimes being made redundant. It’s a well known fact that nepotism rules meaning that inappropriate people get the best jobs then because they can’t do it more money is thrown away by that person recruiting someone to do the job for him/her whilst he/she sits back thumb twiddling and being paid thousands to do so.
Another complaint heard regularly from the majority of patients is that hospitals have the heating turned up too high, an expensive and bug breeding environment, turn it down by a couple of degrees and save thousands. Over ordering equipment is another area things could be tightened up. I know of one NHS department that had 6 laptops left over after re-equipping, the heads of departments took them home for their children!
HJR58
13th Apr 2018
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Yes providing it was ring fenced and couldn’t be spent elsewhere.
calder46
13th Apr 2018
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The NHS seems to be in permanent financial crisis due to the ever increasing demands on the service.
While tinkering with the system may well produce short term minor improvements it really is time, in my opinion, to solve the crisis by increased funding not necessarily just from government but by increased public contributions.
DerekA
13th Apr 2018
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Yes on the proviso the money went to the NHS not like road tax into some general government fund never to be seen again. As retired ambulance service I am probably biased, but do wonder who on earth thought a profit could be gotten from the NHS, eg, patient transport services to name but one?...
Jean177
13th Apr 2018
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Having retired from nursing 22 years ago just at the advent of "care in the community " when everyone was supposed to be discharged quickly and cared for at home ; cottage hospitals were closed , geriatric wards were deemed no longer necessary , convalescent homes closed . Beds were closed in general hospitals as would be no Longer needed because of fast discharges to the community . Everyone with any nursing / medical knowledge said this would not work in practice and it hasn't . Beds are blocked with post op and elderly people as there is just not enough care assistants to give the care at home and it takes ages to organise . A friends son has recent been sent home far too early , waiting for the community physiotherapist to call : she rang and was told there is an 18 week wait for physio to call . He will be back In hospital before this ever happens ! The management and powers that be , have no idea how to run a hospital efficiently . Everything costs so much now and funds are swollowed up in updating equipment and new robotic surgery , a wonderful advance to medicine but never envisaged in 1948 at the creation on the NHS . So yes we need to pay more if we want to keep it but also put a stop the terrible waste of resources that goes on in all areas.
Blondie B
13th Apr 2018
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Well said jean177
I totally agree .
jeanmark
12th Apr 2018
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I would't object as long as it was ring-fenced for the NHS. However, I'm not convinced it would elevate the problem. I feel that financially the NHS is a bottomless pit for no other reason than it is expected to do more and more as medical knowledge progresses. Like any business, costs increase year on year as does our expectation for successful treatments.
Lionel
12th Apr 2018
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Jeanmark, surely the NHS is in dire straights. Yes, you're quite right, it is expected to more and more as medical knowledge progresses, as it must. But that expectation of the NHS is governed by a very limited budget, when compared to expectation and demand.

Unless I'm much mistaken it needs a shot of adrenalin - money - to revive it and then we may determine the way forward. Whatever the way forward it must encompass the very many more people inhabiting these islands than before; it must encompass new technology and new therapies.

But to do that it needs a major cash injection. I will subscribe tonight! But there is a proviso: this is adrenalin; that stops when the patient is sufficiently revived and a much more long term answer must be in place and in time.
Lionel
12th Apr 2018
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I wrote a rather erudite reply but i's gone missing!
Lionel
12th Apr 2018
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Ah, suddenly appeared.
jeanmark
13th Apr 2018
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I agree with your thoughts Lionel but all these problems are not new but are now critical. Finance has always been a problem. When I was a budget holder for a specific clinical service in the 1990's an annual budget of (initially) £5 million pounds sounded a lot. That was until you tried to provide a high standard of service in clinical areas and I was never accused of wastage or mismanagement. Neither did I find there were too many senior managers, maybe I was lucky in working in a large NHS Trust that recognised the sense of putting budgets in the hands of the people who used them, I do admit to having a finance manager to support me, but then her background was in finance whilst mine was in nursing.
Lionel
12th Apr 2018
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Yes, absolutely. But there would be conditions.

I would require the government of the day to issue a declaration of the legal standing similar to Magna Carta, that these extra tax revenues would be applied to the NHS and never, not ever, be absorbed into general taxation as has Vehicle Excise Duty. It is to be a stand alone revenue devoted to the NHS.

The NHS must be elevated out of the political arena, like the Inland Revenue, and not used as a vote gathering political plaything. Mention the NHS in an election campaign and the candidate is disqualified. The NHS must be a self governing, autonomous body dealing with the health of this nation. That's their business and we should pay for it. Treatment, as Jeanmark reminded me a while ago, is free at the point of delivery, but must be paid for out of taxation.

The precise rate of this tax must take into account also Social Care. So very many of us will need Social Care at some point and it must be paid for. Using our homes as an asset can cause inequalities as the very many who don't own property would receive the same care. I wouldn't want to point up a distinction between home owners and renters so an extra level of tax on income would iron out these inequalities.

Whether we agree or disagree, the NHS must go on. It must be paid for either out of general taxation, which makes it a political plaything or a separate levy on income which could be engineered to take the NHS out of politics.
viking
12th Apr 2018
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There can never be enough funding for the NHS because of the cost of the very latest equipment which is now necessary to replace previous long winded proceedures which in turn required more doctors and nurses etc.
A large new piece of scanner which replaced a previous machine was now all singing and dancing, but the staff had to go to the Saar to be taught how to use it. Then if it went wrong or needed adjustment, a service engineer would have to come and visit from Germany cost ?? All the latest equipment although very wonderful comes at a huge price to the NHS. but there is no escape, it has to go on to keep up with the latest technology.
Alicia
12th Apr 2018
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I no longer pay tax as I do not have enough income. They should take more money from the rich to pay for the NHS.
CaroleAH
12th Apr 2018
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My answer would be "maybe". Having worked in the NHS for nearly 40 years I know that there are many instances where improvements could be made without the need to raise taxes. I agree with other Silversurfers about the exorbitant salaries of some of the executive staff and the sheer number of them - as the old saying goes (and it's probably not strictly PC theses days!) there are too many chiefs and not enough indians. There is also the huge amount of money lost to health tourists who come into the country, use our NHS and then disappear without paying for their treatment. I wouldn't like to think that we were as bad as America where you have to show your health/travel insurance before obtaining treatment but there must be a middle road where the fees for treatment can be recouped. In the GP practice where I worked we had a patient, aged 60+, from Iraq who registered with us as she was staying with family for over 6 months. She had a heart condition as well as other ailments and after a consultation with the doctor and practice nurse she was put on 10 different kinds of medication - on a repeat prescription. For a few months she came in to collect her prescription and came for check-ups to monitor her condition. Then her son started to order her prescription and she didn't attend for annual reviews etc. To cut a long story short, she had returned to Iraq but her son was still ordering her medication - all free because she was over 60 - and presumably sending it to her. This lady probably received at least 12 months medication paid for by us which in the vast scheme of things is a small amount but multiply that by the number of people doing the same thing and also those claiming free prescriptions when they are not entitled to them and it's obvious that savings can be made.
The NHS is a wonderful service, most of the time, but could do with an overhaul before more money is thrown at it and perhaps, more importantly, the public should be better informed about the appropriate use of GP appointments and attendance in A&E departments. We can be too quick to criticise the queues in A&E and blame it on staff shortages and lack of funding etc but if only the patients who genuinely needed to be there were treated then the queues could probably be halved.
Lionel
12th Apr 2018
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Well said. You give a good insight into these affairs.
CaroleAH
12th Apr 2018
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Thank-you, Lionel.
Lionel
12th Apr 2018
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I tell it as I read it Carole. You're always worth reading!
CaroleAH
12th Apr 2018
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That's a lovely compliment, Lionel - thank-you! I do have the occasional rant but do try to be objective 🙂
Lionel
12th Apr 2018
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Please rant away to your heart's content. You're always well worth reading.

I too have a rant, more often than not, probably because with Christian eyes I'm so disturbed at my country these days. I know you'll understand.

Apart from ranting on SS there's little I may do as I watch my step grand children follow the latest trends - sleep overs with the opposite sex and much more.

No good will come of this.

Carole, just speak your mind. We are like minded people. The source of our inspiration is the same.
turbox
13th Apr 2018
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Agree totally with your comments. I often wonder how many people actually need to be at A and E but could be treated elsewhere ?
Blondie B
13th Apr 2018
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Read your cements caroleAH
And agree with all your comments about funding or lack of it!
It makes me so sad but also very angered how such a wonderful NHS service could have just disintegrated as it has... And unfortunately stories such as the lady from Iraq, are not uncommon...how many more people are just sucking the life out of our country like that ? It's awful that this acutely happens and they get away with it . We had a perfectly run hospital system that completely worked . People like myself and my husband who are now retired like many others are the ones who were looking forward to a comfortable retirement! After paying heavy taxes for many years ...and saving for our retirement, but not the case for us all now as even if you have savings your penalised for it as your state pension and any other benifits you May be untitled to are cut ...it sounds as though I'm just moaning ...but it makes me so angry , as I know that there are people just like us everywhere in the same position, and it's just not fair.
Blondie B
13th Apr 2018
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Blondie B
13th Apr 2018
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Also forgot to add ...we would .agree with the extra tax ...but if we actually could believe it would be going to the right organisation.
CaroleAH
13th Apr 2018
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Thank-you, Turbox. I worked in a very busy A&E department in Leeds for 13 years (as a receptionist) and many patients were regular attenders often arriving by ambulance because they were lonely, drunk or sometimes, if they lived near the hospital, it was cheaper to dial 999 for an ambulance than get on a bus or into a taxi to get home. Once they had been booked in they usually disappeared before being seen by the medical staff. There are also people who do not bother to register with a GP so when they are ill their first port of call is A&E, so add them to the people who cannot get an appointment with their GP or who do not want to be seen by the Out of Hours service and you can understand why A&E is usually chock-a-block full.
Pam1960
12th Apr 2018
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I don't know why it has taken so long to come to the conclusion that we should be paying a NHS tax. The NHS has needed more money for years. I personally would like separate tax not only for the NHS but for Social Care and Education.
Tubby
12th Apr 2018
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Although I'm now an OAP I am sure that the working public would on the whole be prepared to pay a little extra on income tax to keep this wonderful service going, but the NHS must sort it's self out and put a cap on executives pay as can't be right that some are payed more than our PM??
Wilf
12th Apr 2018
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YES YES YES! We need more funding in the NHS BUT at the same time there need to be efficiencies. i have arthritus in one of my toes and when I arrived at the hospital recently there was total confusion and I was asked what I was doing there? Eventually they found my "paperwork" yes actual papers that must have been posted by my doctor...in 2018? Its madness why isnt everthing online like our shopping is? But yes I would pay some more tax if it means getting a better health service and also paying nurses especially more money. They might start with cutting the overblown managers wages I get the impression they are far to high. A bit like council leadres and chancellors of universities but dont get me started on that subject.
Lionel
12th Apr 2018
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' A bit like council leaders and chancellors of universities but don't get me started on that subject.'

Go for it Wilf.
Wilf
12th Apr 2018
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Well it annoys me 30 years ago they would earn the equivilant of £75k a year and now its say £250k as they have to get the best? yes greed is what I call it and it is a drain on the NHS
Lionel
12th Apr 2018
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Wilf, yes most certainly greed is a major player here. But greed, even it's disguised forms of must haves, updates and outdated hardware, is endemic in our present society. Don't you think?

Suffolk County Council a very few years ago employed a CEO. Suffolk, a very rural area with a low population density. She was paid £250,000 a year plus expenses! But, it gets better. This CEO employed a hoard of executives to do her job for her, was in Council offices about one day a week. That's nearly £700 a week for ... what?

In terms of the NHS, Universities etc., the best personnel are not necessarily attracted by the highest salary and perks. We still have a class of men and women, independently wealthy people who are dedicated to public service. Such people are not swayed by a fantastic salary, are so much better connected than the others, and are virtually incorruptible. They must maintain their family name and integrity.

If it was all about money we wouldn't have a nurse on hospital wards. But we have them, dedicated people whom I look up to.
Lionel
12th Apr 2018
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Sorry Wilf, that's £700 a day!
Wilf
12th Apr 2018
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Totally agreed Lionel and its just the greedy beautocrats who insist they are the best and we must pay for that. How comes scores of council and NHS bosses are paid more than Mrs May as the PM. Are their jobs that difficult??? No= pure greed
Lionel
13th Apr 2018
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Greed is the disease of our society. We have followed the Americans in this as in much else.

I don't know what industry you were in so if I cause offence please forgive me.

Advertising and marketing feed off people's inherent greed for more. Enough is never enough. People have now become hoarders!

I read of NHS managers, Civil Servants and other administrators demanding eye watering salaries. Does the administrator deserve this sort of salary or the person at the front? Is a front line GP worth less than a practice manager? Is a teacher worth less than a school administrator? That's for you to call.

It's my belief administrators are worth less than producers of wealth. A coal miner w]is worth more than the coal mine admin people.

What do you think?
MrsPat
12th Apr 2018
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Yes of course I would as the most importent think we need to ensure in society is our health. Without that we cannot function so its worth inceasing taxs if we need to ensure we get a better health service.

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