Should Donald Trump be prevented from making a State Visit to the UK?
On Friday, Mr Trump signed an executive order halting the US refugee programme for 120 days, indefinitely banning all Syrian refugees and suspending the entry of all nationals from seven Muslim-majority countries.
Moves to implement the measure have triggered anger and protest across the world.
Buckingham Palace has declined to comment on the row.
A petition to stop the US President Donald Trump’s UK state visit has gathered more than a million signatures.
Downing Street has rejected calls to cancel President Donald Trump’s proposed state visit to the UK after this clampdown on immigration.
A source said a rejection would be a “populist gesture”, adding that the invitation had been accepted and scrapping it would “undo everything”.
The Downing Street source told the BBC: “America is a huge important ally. We have to think long term.”
The petition states:
“Donald Trump should be allowed to enter the UK in his capacity as head of the US Government, but he should not be invited to make an official State Visit because it would cause embarrassment to Her Majesty the Queen.
Donald Trump’s well documented misogyny and vulgarity disqualifies him from being received by Her Majesty the Queen or the Prince of Wales. Therefore during the term of his presidency Donald Trump should not be invited to the United Kingdom for an official State Visit.”
So what are your views? Do you agree with Donald Trumps temporary ban on immigrants from the seven Muslim-majority countries? Should this be linked with his pending State Visit to the UK? Or is it a separate American government policy that shouldn’t be linked to his Sate Visit?
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His attitude towards women is deplorable and implies that they do not have the right to be treated with respect.
During the election he said that Mrs Clinton was guilty and encouraged one of his entourage to lead a chorus of ,"Lock her up" He seemed not to realise that law is dealt with by judges and that the executive has no right to interfere.
He has moved to alienate the neighbouring country of Mexico and encouraged others in hatred towards her. There is already a barrier between the two states and a wall would have little additional effect. He has tried to bar Muslims from entering the country and insulted the judiciary who ruled his ban unlawful. A more sensible president would have strengthened checks on those entering the country if necessary but not used this to promote hatred..
In spite of the fact that the vast majority of scientists believe that global warming is dangerous and is caused partly by human activity, Donald Trump disagrees. His decision to reopen the coal industry will make it much more difficult to get global warming under control. His actions in this regard may prove a disaster for the whole planet.
Mr Trump actually got less votes than Mrs Clinton but because of the fact that this was an indirect election he was elected by the representatives in the electoral college.
Faced with the fact of the election of Donald Trump. Mrs May had two alternatives:
(i)She could treat him as a friend and use her influence to persuade him to moderate his policies.
(ii) She could Become his fiercest critic.
She chose the first path and there are signs that this policy may be paying off; after meeting her he seemed to become more supportive of NATO.
I do not think she should have invited him for a state visit so soon but to change policy now would be insulting and this would do nothing but harm.
To say The Queen would be embarrassed is laughable seeing the many tyrants that have slept at the Palace over the years.
Scandiman, everyone who is anyone has claimed a piece of the moral high ground, which is no moral ground at all. It smacks of self righteousness more than anything. Whilst very vocally tearing down someone else they noisily hide their own immorality. Show business people spring to mind here. Oh, and politicians. Journalists ... where does it end?
I'm not entirely British, being the seventh generation of Polish/Jewish immigrants in 1840. But, generation by generation we were brought up to be more English. Today my wife would say I'm more English than the English. I treasure those very Englsih virtues, humility in defeat, magnanimity in victory and therefore utterly deplore the state of this once great nation, the nation used of God more than any other to take the Gospel to the World. Little wonder the Spirit of God is departing us. Soon, people will say we're Ichabod!
Minister to be barred, unwelcomed or refused a State Visit to any other Country? We are a Democratic Country free to vote our choices. The USA is the same, and they elected Donald Trump.
The man I can never respect, but the Office is that of our greatest allies.
A State Visit now, maybe not. But sometime in the future, when perhaps the Man fits the Office and realise not everything can be bought!!!
There's been an awful lot of judgement heaped upon Donald Trump when all we have is fake news and press speculation. There is a difference?
Let's all take a long, deep breath, give him much more time in office. He will be either the best of presidents in the last fifty years or worse than Obama.
Only time will tell.
But we Brits need America, we need that trade and we need their kind thoughts. Let's not be too hasty to judge nay person, let alone one so influential as the American President.
The American President wishes to speak in a stadium where he may address a hundred thousand people, not a few dissenters in Whitehall.
He's shown these mealy mouthed politicians he may rise above them and show himself to be the victor. He will address the nation, not a few failed public servants.
We would expect our Primemister Mrs May to be respected as the representative of Britain
I am especially fed up with all the whingers who will not respect the majority vote when did we as people become so childish n beginning to behave in such a lawless manner what happened to our democracy?
I agree with u
I've always looked upon the political and military shenanigans of the US with that eye. An observer from afar, a wider view. It seems to me since the late 30's you've had two presidents worthy of the office ... FDR and Ronnie Regan, both adventurers on the world stage, and both of whom took America by what could be grabbed and brought some sense to the American people. Only after their deaths have been been politically sainted.
With all due humility - the USA is not my country - Trump, for all his human failings, is well in their mold and let's face it, fasteddie, after Obama, the Bushes and Clinton, political CPR is so badly needed. They are the reason your country is in it's present abysmal state. For what it's worth, their 'puppy-dogs,' in Westminster have done the same to us. Emasculated the nation.
But we have a cold, calculating woman in Whitehall, and not for the first time, whilst you now have Trump, a brigand, a pirate and an adventurer. I contend Trump will deliver, no, perhaps over deliver, on his campaign promises. After his death he will be sainted too!
Remember, the American people protested against Regan. And yet he's a political saint. You cheered Obama who destroyed the meaning of 'American,' as an outcome of the word America.
So, let's all calm down, shall we. You people elected Trump and you're stuck with him. Please, have a little Britishness about you, after all you national roots are here, and accept responsibility for the vote, gracefully. And that without apologies published abroad. And yes with some dignity and poise. So much better, don't you think?
The Dunning-Kruger Effect I quote here:
he Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which unskilled people make poor decisions and reach erroneous conclusions, but their incompetence denies them the metacognitive ability to recognize their mistakes. The unskilled therefore suffer from illusory superiority, rating their ability as above average, much higher than it actually is, while the highly skilled underrate their own abilities, suffering from illusory inferiority.
The USA was already in decline, vast sums of money spent on wars which it can ill afford, the result, a neglected population!
What difference did Obama make ,
Nobel peace prize was a farce, he has stepped up wars and increased the threat to America by incurring the wrath of Muslims around the world. Somewhat Insane if you ask me.
George W Bush, after twin towers, smashed Iraq and caused lasting mayhem on the say so of a tissue of lies.
Somewhat Insane if you ask me.
I feel sure millions of your fellow Americans who voted for Trump and who came from all walks of life, would feel that perhaps the very syndrome you have labelled them ALL as suffering from, are trying in vain to free America from the business as usual despots who have held free rein for so long,
Referring to The Dunning-Kruger Effect, perhaps it is best suited to those who voted for the arch criminal Hilary Clinton.
Perhaps New Zealand, (not Zeeland,) would welcome your psychological expertise, good luck with that.
The media, both in America and around the world have done a magnificent job in driving the character assassination machine. Busy little bees, dredging up every little dirty secret, saturating willing minds and driving it to distraction.
I wonder at the human race, where are your reasoning powers? Why are you hanging onto every little salacious morsel? Why are you believing it and crucifying the man?
The latest trend to emerge is 'False News'. In my opinion, most of the news today is in part false or inflated to whip the avid 'news watchers' into a state of frenzy.
We have law courts who call news like this 'hearsay evidence' and it is dismissed out of hand without given proof.
I wonder who really drives this machine. Perhaps it is the media moguls who wish to manipulate world events and who have a vested interest in having their chosen candidate kowtow to them.
The liberals/left wingers are being shown for the fascists that they are throwing their toys out of the pram and causing mayhem and violence, just because they didn't get their way. Just like the anti Brexit remoaners over here.
The ANTIFA mobs on both sides of the Atlantic should be sued under the trades description act, because they are more like Fascists and Nazis than any other group outside ISIS.
These people embarrassing our Country should take the time to think about the thousands of people round the world killed by terrorists which World Leaders don't seem to be to stop.
At least Mr. Trump is trying something.
Wonder what silly Lily and co would feel like if a family member or loved one where to be caught up in crossfire of these killers.
Rwanda, Reunion, Russia, France, Samoa, Saudi, India, Senegal, Serbia, and the Seychelles.
I think it's fair to say so many more countries are involved. So, of that much heralded 1.5 million votes, how many are non British nationals living outside the UK? Could put the petition result in a better perspective!
It is possible to ban votes/posting from countries other than Great Britain. Actually, it's quite simple. But the Government website hasn't done that. One must ask why? And ask, how many other petitions have similarly been skewed by foreign intervention?
Many other countries may have grievances against Trump but to interfer with a legitimate people's vote is treasonous. Our Government should make adequate provision to secure their website against all non UK interventions.
Just saying.
My point is, if we take out non UK IP addresses, and that can easily be done, what is left?
We are on our own now,without Europe covering our back. Dangerous times.
I notice the petition in question was against a Trump State Visit. Yet the Crown offer such to Idi Armin, a mere Sergeant in the Ugandan Army, mass murderer, polygamist and despotic ruler of a former State in the Empire. Surely, no one may think Trump in his league? Do they?
Our liberal thinking left wing luvvies would so like to shape their world in their own image, yet, even a quick glance at what they say they want shows that road map is the road to ruin. Just look at them - a shed load of dissolutes without a reasonable original thought between them!
I say, welcome President Trump, welcome!
Ok, Mr Trump might be going at things like a bull in a china shop but, at least he's trying.
The rest of World Leader's don't seem to be able to protect us from the cowardly evil killers who hide amongest innocent Muslims.
Think all he is doing is trying to protect his people.
Let him get on with what he says he's going to do, just be patient, if he doesn't do anything that he's saying he's going to do then yes start griping then!
We allowed the Chinese leader a state visit in 2015 and their human rights record is appalling .
The invitation was from Her Majesty ,I'm sure both Her and her family can easily show this man how to behave .
I am sad that the American people voted a racist ,xenophobic ,mysoginist into their highest office ,but you " reap what you sow ".
By the time he gets here ,the legislature will have overturned his proclamation ,and deemed it unconstitutional ,I'm pretty sure ,and when he gets here we will show him how a multicultural society is supposed to work with tolerance and loyalty being near the top of the list .
If he is to see what he may yet save the United States from, take him to any Fenland town or better, Boston or Peterborough; take him to Leeds, Bradford, Birmingham, oh the list goes on. But better, I hear Mutte Merkel is very hospitable and the Swedes. Should just look at the pictures in their online press. Multicultural working?
We cannot take an arrogant stance on what is right or what is wrong with the President and how he implements his policies. Maybe it will be his hairstyle next.
Put away your placards people, it will not change a thing, he is coming, he will be welcomed by the Elites.
His temporary ban on Muslims is maybe his show of muscle, a message to say if " if you think we are a soft touch, think again!"
Donald Trump, President of the United States - Marmite man!
All new brooms want to sweep their own clean paths.
Donal Trup is the democratically elected President of the USA. He leads the most powerful nation on earth. We would do well to fuether ally ourselves with him. He could be there for eight years - long time to be out in the economic cold.
The sense I gained from policy statements was 'migrant,' labour, People who come from Europe to a job, work their time and return home. The now so very many who may become permanent residents, and do, destabilised our jobs market, housing and usually they gather in ghettos in our towns to the exclusion of native people.
This is not satisfactory. It can be mitigated by controlled/regulated migration for time delimted work opportunities.
It is my understanding this is the mainline stance of the major Leave organisations. But sadly, there will always be those who hijack something for their own ends.