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Should fox hunting be legal again?

Theresa May has said she will hold a free vote on overturning the fox hunting ban in England and Wales if she is returned as prime minister at the general election.

Speaking in Yorkshire, Mrs May said she was personally in favour of fox hunting and would want to keep the Conservative party’s commitment to letting parliament have another say on the issue.

When the ban became law in 2004, 61% of people supported parliament’s decision and 30% opposed it.

Traditional fox hunting with dogs is illegal across Britain, but in England and Wales, two dogs can be used to flush out a fox so a farmer or landowner can shoot it, while in Scotland, an unlimited number of dogs can be used.

The revelation that Prime Minister Theresa May supports fox hunting has been met with a mixed reactions – what are your views?

Would you like to see the law changed? Or do you think the ban should continue?

Should fox hunting be legal again?

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LolaRose01
1st Feb 2019
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Why bring back fox hunting?

It has been scientifically proven that fox numbers keep themselves down without human interaction. Which means that's not an argument for pro fox hunting.

If a fox is causing repeated problems shoot it humanely, don't hunt it down and tear it to pieces. I have nothing against killing something humanely to save something else.

If someones reason for fox hunting is fun, then they can use an artificial trail for their dogs to follow. And if anyone is thinking 'But the best part is seeing the fox being torn to pieces' please tell me what sick world we are living in.

As I mentioned earlier it's just the horrible act of killing something as inhumanely as possible, especially when you know full well there are other much more humane ways to kill a fox.

If you are thinking 'Well I have another reason for fox hunting' please comment in answer to this so I can tell you how wrong you really are.
Barton babe
7th Jul 2017
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We have enough cruel savages in the would, don't add to it with fox hunting.
gr8nutcase
3rd Jul 2017
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It should never come back, its barbaric to think that a fox is ripped to pieces by the hunt dogs and a slow death just for sport. Just think if this happened to you, being slowly ripped to pieces, bit by bit - I know that sounds graphic but its true. If a farmer has problems with a fox then he should just shoot it.
BrendaD7
23rd Jun 2017
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Animals are not here to be torn to pieces for sport or the amusement of those with no compassion How would they feel if they were chased across country by a pack of hounds? Whilst I agree that perhaps some animals must be culled to prevent the spread of disease This should be done humanly without inflicting pain, fear or suffering This also applies to slaughter houses
Romina
15th Jun 2017
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Absolutely not.It has no place in a civilized society.There are other ways of controling foxes.Has anyone ever seen or heard one being torn to pieces.This is not what we should be training man,s best friend to do...
quietlady
26th May 2017
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I think hunting should continue in 2 forms. If a farmer has problem with foxes, then he can invite the hunt onto his land to hunt, otherwise I think that hunting following a trail is
acceptable.
VG
23rd May 2017
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We have laws against animal cruelty why should fox hunting be exempt? Could it be because of those who wish to participate. If our prime minister needs their votes it is a sad day for our system. There are many national issues needing attention rather than encouraging a bunch of hooray Henries to have their fun in such a barbaric cruel way. Drag hunting works in other countries why not here? I have never experienced nor seen evidence of packs of foxes as someone claims. If money and time was spent protecting our wildlife and the environment there would be more hope for this planet. To my limited knowledge, the only animal responsible for wiping out other species, destroying habitat and causing climate change with its resulting damage is mankind. This behaviour appears to be fuelled by selfishness and greed, so very sad and. Shortsighted.
VeraS
20th May 2017
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Its already been voted on NO!!! or will it keep going on until sadists get their way
iestynlad
19th May 2017
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Won't make no difference anyway - they still hunt foxes
NormanB8
19th May 2017
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move forwards not backwards.
RoyT
18th May 2017
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Fox Hunting was banned by a free vote in parliament which was democratic. If we can have another vote on this then some people will want to use this as an excuse to want another vote on Europe. Both were decided democratically and should be left as they are.
Mapek
18th May 2017
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Its an outdated and cruel practice anyway, it should have been abolished years ago, trouble is its the moneyed folks who do this mainly and as we all know money talks.
Pam1960
17th May 2017
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I concede to your superior knowledge on this subject Lionel. As someone who has lived in a town for the entirety of my life I have little understanding and knowledge of the ways of the country and the many problems farmers face. My heart has ruled my head in this case as I don't like what I perceived as cruelty to animals
Pam1960
17th May 2017
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I don't disagree with farmers using one or two dogs to flush out a fox. What I can't agree with is the fox Hunt as a sport. It is cruel and an unnecessary way to rid the countryside of foxes. Surely it would be better for the animals to be shot rather hhxn pulled to bits by a number of dogs
Lionel
17th May 2017
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Pam, the problem with foxes is, they are wiley beggars seldom staying in the same place for more than a few days. Fox hounds will get their scent and go for it when we haven't a clue where they are.

What hasn't been said in this thread is that fox hounds, once they catch a fox, don't immediately shred it. No. One will sever the spinal chord at the neck. The fox is dead. The remainder is what even the average domestic dog would do to it's prey.
ThePrimate
21st May 2017
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The problem with fox hunting is it's still, literally, overkill. So, should it be killed after being chased and scared witless for many miles by a pack of hounds and people on horseback facing the inevitability of its demise once backed into a corner, or would a bullet, which it wouldn't see coming, be kinder or do the hunt supporters on here get a thrill out of the chase and pursuit of the fox?
Mimosa
21st Jul 2017
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Don`t need to do it, barbaric way to treat wildlife. Foxes are bread in hiding by these pro hunt scum.
MrsPat
16th May 2017
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No No No No No! This is barbarism. We Brits pride ourselves on being an animal loving country and a bastion of civilisation. Then we let a load of nutters on horses chase a poor defenseless "wild dog" all over the place until its exhausted and then let them rip it to sheds? If this is legalised I will move out of the UK and go to a civilised society like North Korea
JeanC5
15th May 2017
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There is no need for fox hunting. It is not necessary. The UK can survive without it. It should not be made legal again for those who wish to have it as a sport as it is a cruel sport.
viking
15th May 2017
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I have seen first hand a fox or fox's handiwork in the chicken run which occured twice, even after deep fencing was installed. The chickens were not eaten but just savaged. Fox hunting would now get some sort of revenge. Lets hear the other side of the coin please from chicken and egg producers.
Lionel
15th May 2017
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Hello Viking. I'm not a chicken or egg producer as such, although Ihave chickens in my garden. But as said below, one night on the moorside in North Yorkshire I lost fifty new born lambs and a Collie during a sustain attack from a large number of sheep.

At day break the carnage was heart breaking. I won't even begin to describe it. My boss's Collie was disembowled but by the blood in his mouth and on his face he had put up a good fight. Seemingly the odds were against him. Poor beggar. Later I buried him where he died.

Most of the people on SS who've posted against fox hunting, even against killing foxes, have never seen the devastation a pack of foxes can cause, the suffering and death they may inflict. Day old calves disembowelled and dying. New born lambs breathing their last before even they properly saw daylight. Chickens confined within a run with nowhere to go, just suffer and die. Wilful destruction.

Rearing livestock is brutal; it always was and always will be. A stockman or shepherd will do what must be done to protect his livestock. It is as the Rabbi says in Fiddler on the Roof when asked for a blessing for Tzar: may the LORD bless him, but keep him far from us. Yes, may the LORD bless foxes, but keep them far from me and mine.
Lionel
15th May 2017
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It does seem an unpleasant truth is difficult to deal with. But the fact remain.
ThePrimate
16th May 2017
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D'you really want revenge with a pack of hounds to kill an animal following it's instincts or would culling with a rifle satisfy you?
IvorB
15th May 2017
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There should be a more humane way to control the amount of foxes not hunted with dogs
Ogg
14th May 2017
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No it should not be made legal again it is savage to block the foxes den so they have no where to go that's not fair play at all and how often do you even see a fox now . If the poor animal had so much as a fair chance but it does not.
Justjohn
14th May 2017
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This is not sport if you are a fox ! This is a rich and landed gentry game . No need to hunt with hounds ,if foxes need to be culled there are more humane ways than having them chased for miles and then torn to pieces by a pack of dogs
[email protected]
14th May 2017
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It is not a sport. Why should a poor fox be hunted just for someone to have fun.
silvernuneatonian
14th May 2017
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Its not a sport, full stop. I hate fox hunting, its barbaric. Its just an excuse for those jumped up lowlife to dress up in silly red coats and breeches.
sixtyplusvat
14th May 2017
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What a despicable so called 'sport'! I cannot believe that so many people actually enjoy killing an animal in such an inhumane way! There have also been tragedies in the past where domestic pets have been killed as they simply got in the way of the pack hounds!
GlynysH
14th May 2017
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Fox hunting is barbaric and should be left in the past. How would they like it if a lion was chasing their dogs. Foxes are wild animals and hunt by instinct.
SusieB58
14th May 2017
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Shooting a fox dead is more humane than hunting the fox with hounds and watching them tear it apart.
Bigjohn
13th May 2017
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I have visually seen the attacks on by Foxes and it is not a pretty sight. See my previous comment.
Bigjohn
13th May 2017
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I was Farmer in the rural areas, and families who reared chickens in outhouses on their land with good fencing to prevent foxes getting in failed. One fox will kill a hundred chickens not for food just to enjoy the slaughter, so Yes I in full agreement to bring fox hunting back. Foxes are complete vermin despite them living in towns now, they should be exterminated on sight.
ThePrimate
13th May 2017
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Exterminated or ripped to bits by a pack of hounds for someone's pleasure?
Lionel
13th May 2017
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BigJohn, you're like a breath of fresh air amidst this suffocating slop.

I was a farm worker for twenty five years, much of that in N. Yorkshire as a shepherd. Time out of number I've spent 36 straight hours birthing lambs on the Moorside, Collies deployed to guard against foxes, only to find within a few hours the foxes have got in, savaged a dog and willfully killed fifty lambs, sometimes more.

That is willful, meaningless slaughter, killing for the sake of it. Whatever the law says now, I will shoot a fox on sight.

Locally, a chap who has a five acre small holding running 200 hens lost most of them one night. His income from eggs was devastated. Foxes. He found the birds in a nearby ditch, some dead, some needed to be killed.

I have a near fox proof chicken run in the garden, yet time out of number I can see the results of a sustained attack on my birds by the dents in the thick wire mesh.

As said, I'll shoot a fox on sight.
ThePrimate
14th May 2017
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Let's be clear on this Lionel - the question is, Should fox hunting be legal again? I don't have a problem with a clean dispatch of a fox, but, I do have a problem with fox hunting with hounds that rip and tear all in the name of 'sport'. A fox will do what a fox does, it's in their nature - shoot them by all means but supporting hunting by hounds (which cannot be an efficient and cost effective method of control, therefore it has to be for enjoyment) is not 'suffocating slop'.
Have a nice day.
GlynysH
14th May 2017
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I grew up on a small holding and we had chickens and we protected them at night by shutting them in. I abhor fox hunting. Foxes are a wild animal and hunt by instinct. If you want to cull do it humanely not with dogs.
DianneE
14th May 2017
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Sounds just like the worst predator of all, so called civilised mankind
Bigjohn
14th May 2017
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I totally agree with a clean dispatch, I have see fox hunting when it was legal and each time the fox was cornered and was dispatched cleanly by the huntsmen. The dogs did not attack the fox. I accept that other hunting groups didn't train their dogs to corner and not attack until a huntsmen did a clean dispatch.
Lionel
16th May 2017
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Let's be clear about this, Primate, we in these deeply rural areas live a different way of life, and always have. The hunt continues, and others like me will shoot foxes.

Fox hunting should, and eventually will, be legalised. We know how to deal with vermin.

But what about metropolitans with urban foxes? Now what solution is there to that?
ThePrimate
17th May 2017
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I made it clear I don't have problems with a clean kill of a fox, but hunting with a pack of hounds, if not for enjoyment, is wasteful of time and resources.

In towns, perhaps we should be more vigilant at securing our rubbish, dropping litter etc to deter foxes, seagulls, rats etc. We just encourage them because we're lazy.

If a bunch of thugs set their staffies on a fox in a park (for example) there'd be uproar. Because it's posh folk on horseback doing the same it's meant to be acceptable.

"It takes a special kind of bravery to take on a fox with 25 of your mates on horseback and 35 dogs" Ricky Gervais
Lionel
13th May 2017
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An awful lot of misinformation being put about. Let's deal in facts, not hearsay!
RogerO
13th May 2017
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If the foxhunters give the excuse of killing vermin why do they breed them and why are they against other people shooting them?
Alicia
13th May 2017
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No it should not be legal, it is murder.
Theresa May wants to bring back fox hunting so I may think twice about voting for her now !
Bigjohn
13th May 2017
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Have you ever seen the result of a Fox attack in a chicken secured area, they can and will get in and kill every bird not for food but enjoyment. I have and it is nor a pretty sight.
Barton babe
13th May 2017
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So many times the fox is dug out of the hole that he has been living in and thrown to the waiting hounds. This is like you being dragged out of your home by a pack of yobs and hacked to death by them. What is the difference???
Wilf
13th May 2017
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I agree if it was in the papers done by a load of thugs everyone would gasp with horror. The fact that the "thugs" are in red jackets and on horseback seems to make it legitimate??
ThePrimate
13th May 2017
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Fox hunting with a pack of hounds is in no way 'humane' - lets get that one out of the way unless you think 30 or 40 hounds ripping a fox to pieces whilst a bunch of braying horseriders watch on is humane, in which case we are never going to agree on very much. Badger culling as well is just our way of getting rid of an inconvenience. As a species we are really rather good at getting rid of things. We are not the only ones that kill for other reasons than obtaining food;
http://www.ranker.com/list/animals-that-kill-for-no-reason/laura-allan
but I fail to see how fox hunting, hare coursing, badger baiting etc is anything other than cruelty. Foxes scavenge in towns & cities only because we give them the opportunity to get into that black sack left outside for the refuse collectors or throw that half eaten kebab or burger into the road after a night out. We have foxes around here, they come through our garden and cause no problems whatsoever. Where I work we have badgers living under our building. Do they bother us? no they don't - yet someone somewhere would be happy to kill them just because they think they shouldn't have the right to co-exist. There are more important issues to be decided on in this election such as the ultimate privatisation of the NHS, education, social care etc but a good indicator of a person's humanity is how they treat or look after those who pose no threat to them - and that includes the ones that co-exist with us. What shall we have next? a cull of domestic cats that roam at night defecating in other people's gardens and killing birds and mice? We are part of this problem - we have allowed foxes to flourish because we make it easy for them to get a meal in towns. We're the only species that manages to destroy it's habitat rather than nurture it and that includes removing any other species that get in our way. Who was here first by the way?
EileenS2
13th May 2017
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No, it should NEVER be brought back. Yes, there are lots of foxes around, in towns as well as the countryside. This isn't the fox intruding on our space; this is us intruding on the fox's space. Little by little we are taking over and pushing all other creatures into an ever-decreasing amount of territory. What do we want to do with the lambs and chickens taken by the fox? Eat them, of course. Same as the fox. Leave this much-maligned creature alone.
anneover 60
12th May 2017
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I don't beleive, if it comes to a vote, it will change. This is just Mrs. Mays way of suckling up to the traditionaly conservative rural voters.
IreneL
12th May 2017
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Absolutely no too fox hunting.
Lionel
12th May 2017
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KennethS7
12th May 2017
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I believe Mrs May is going to lose a great many votes just on this issue alone
Alicia
13th May 2017
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Yes she might lose my vote.
AndreaH5
12th May 2017
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This is for me one of the main reasons I probably won't vote in this election .
Before you all screen at me that I should , I know I should.
But honestly the two major party's have policy in their manifesto that doesn't sit right with me at all .
JoW
12th May 2017
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Fox hunting should be allowed if done humanely which is possible.. Too many foxes are now in areas unsuitable for them and dangerous to humans especially Babies and Pets they also kill chickens not just one for food but as many as they can. Allow the country folk to do the culling as long as it is done without pain to the foxes. It is possible.
EileenS2
13th May 2017
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How can a hunt be carried out 'without pain to the foxes'???? A hunt involves running for your life; running, running, running like you've never run before. If you're lucky you may escape. Most likely you'll be torn to pieces - an agonising death.
DianneE
14th May 2017
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I so agree with you Eileen
Angel face
12th May 2017
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It's very very bad for the foxes .
Niktaw
12th May 2017
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I'm a retired farmer who has seen the damage done by foxes and have seen that hunting is the best way to cull foxes without leaving them in pain or injured. Hunting culls the weakest and leaves the strongest. I also know what its like to see loved animals culled because of TB. When the Ministry of Agriculture walk onto your land they take over, you have no choice. What is wrong is that people with pets which get TB are allowed to keep their animals so spreading the desease.
Lionel
12th May 2017
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Niktaw, some common sense at last.

I was a farm worker for twenty five years and know only too well the damage these things can do. In my time the local hunt would do good work and I would go off and shoot them on the farm.

And yes, oh, do I ever know what's it's like to have the Ministry on your back! With me it was pigs and Aujeski's disease. What made me even more angry was that my taxes were paying for the men from the Ministry! Beggars! Should have left us to clear up the mess.
Sandy25
12th May 2017
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It is monstrous. That's all
[email protected]
12th May 2017
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Perhaps anyone wanting this to return would be in favour of bear baiting and dog fighting too.
Winward1
12th May 2017
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Disgusting & utterly cruel . . .
cynaman
12th May 2017
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Barton babe
12th May 2017
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It was David Cameron that started this on about this free vote on fox hunting, Theresa May is just carrying on with it. Leave our wild life alone, they do us no harm. If these hunters want something to hunt and rip apart let them hunt our rapists, murderers, child kidnapper and the like, that would get our over crowded prisons sorted.
PeterM72
12th May 2017
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why should it be made legal it is only pampering to the upper classes to watch an animal being torn to bits to satisfy the priviledged few there are other ways to cull the foxes humanely
REEDWEEDER
12th May 2017
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It's a fox they are hunting not anything useful ,they cause massive problems for country folk & now city dwellers , they have deceases that pass on to domestic animals, they kill farm animals, name anything that is positive about them? Thousands of people used to earn their living from fox hunting & NO it's not just for rich people. Also the hunt was a tourist attraction bringing money to country areas.
Yodama
12th May 2017
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Sounds a lot like humans, maybe go on a manhunt?
Colleen Cockett
12th May 2017
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Something needs to happen, a fox got into my chicken run the night of 8th May and killed all my chickens. The first thing my husband said to me on my birthday was not happy birthday, it was a ..........fox got in and has killed all your chickens including one sitting tightly on eggs due to hatch this week.
Yodama
12th May 2017
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How did the fox get into your chicken run Colleen? Sad to see all your chickens killed, it must be heartbreaking.
Maybe a sturdier run would keep them out.
Colleen Cockett
12th May 2017
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Believe me it is a sturdy run we have kept chickens for many many years, since we married in 1972, They was evidence that it had tried digging under the fence but it looks more like it actually climbed and over the top.
Nursegd
12th May 2017
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Absolutely NO. All forms of hunting and animal abuse should be stopped.
Eeyore60
12th May 2017
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This is not sport - well maybe to the upper class that enjoy suffering!
bluemoon239
12th May 2017
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How can they even think of calling this sport. It's just plain and disgusting cruelty.
[email protected]
12th May 2017
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radisson21
12th May 2017
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Its a disgusting sport..
igf2311
12th May 2017
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In a day and age of so called 'enlightenment', not matter what 'pleasure' and 'personal freedom' it might give to the participants, it is still barbaric. Ban it and educate the participants to be a lot less 'self satisfying'
jane63c
12th May 2017
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Spare us from distraction techniques to keep people from thinking about the real issues like the state of health and social care.
Ratz
12th May 2017
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This activity (not a sport) is a Rich persons murderous day(s) outing & disgraceful. Wanting it legalised is a very poor decision
Wendy7
11th May 2017
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It's barbaric, backward thinking. How can we have a woman like this running the country, she has no compassion and just wants to suck up to the upper class and royalty, they suck too.
Wilf
11th May 2017
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It is Barbaric and not the sign of a civilised country
Lionel
11th May 2017
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Does anyone here really think a few words from our M.Ps vacuuous minds make the slightest bit of difference to anything? That a vote in the centre of the Westminster bubble will change anything?

The hunt goes on, as it has for at least a thousand years. No change. In this very rural area I see the scarlets and hounds so often. They aren't hunt dragging, oh no. This is a fox hunt.

How is it done because some urbanites with tickly tummies don't like the idea of it? Simple.

It is leaked a fox hunt will take place in such a place. Hunt sabateurs, those who really should get a proper job - turn up, as do Bobbies but the scarlets and hounds are thirty miles away already downing the first fox.

Well done, sir, I say.

Having seen what a fox did in my neighbour's chicken coup I'm only too glad to see the scarlets.

Quite honestly here, if you're an urbanite you have no right of opinion in what we rural folk do. If urbanites chose to move to these rural areas and then don't like our life style, then ... go away.

Brutal? Yes, that's rural life as we live it. But, as a kind of after thought. Would it be just a little better for urbanites to deal with their urban fox problem before telling us rural people how we should live? Would these people prefer it if we rural people shouted no sky scrapers, no motorways, no roads, no street lights, no supermarkets and no internet. Oh, and no kiddie's creche, doctors surgeries ... I could go much further on the advantages urban people have over us.

So, whatever Parliament says it is of no relevance.

Life goes on, as it should.
KennethS7
12th May 2017
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If there no sky scrapers only houses and streets it would be great but if there was no internet we would not be having this exchange of words
AlisonT2
11th May 2017
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Really? Still? Who honestly thinks chasing and killing a defenseless creature is sport? Savages....
DianneE
11th May 2017
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Cruel and barbaric, definitely not what "civilised " people need to do in the 21st century.
Lionel
11th May 2017
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Is anyone so uniquely qualified to say wht is civilise and what is not? Who is the arbiter of what is civilised? Public opinion?

If you want to know about about public opinion just recall the governments we've had in the last thirty years. That should tell you h0w wrong popular opinion is.
Yodama
12th May 2017
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You have the right to agree or disagree, in this case, you disagree and ask, "Is anyone so uniquely qualified to say wht is civilise and what is not? Who is the arbiter of what is civilised? Public opinion? [sic]
Civilised is enlightened, educated, refined. Edified, humanised, socialised, cultivated and sophisticated. There is no public opinion arbiter; it is a word to describe the evolvement of humanity.


Yes, there is a problem with foxes, rural and urban alike. The question arises, how we keep the numbers down. Farmers are permitted to shoot foxes and are allowed two dogs to flush out the fox which is then shot (I stand corrected if this is not so.)

You talk of shooting foxes, a quick end for the fox is a far cry from a pack of dogs and their
Baying, blood red jacketed masters who gain sadistic gratification from watching the fox torn apart.
Watching the fox being disembowelled by hounds which is sometimes left to die a long painful death, surrounded by humans who are not even armed to at least put the animal out of its misery

This barbarism must be stopped.
There can be no comparison made between the two.

You say foxhunting has controlled their numbers for a thousand years.
Explain to me, please, why is it so different now? [Sic]
Fox hunting was introduced in the 1700s.

How does a fox hunt which takes place perhaps a 150/60 or even less times in a year have any real impact on the culling of foxes, hunting with hounds makes an insignificant contribution (5%) to the total fox mortality. Farmers tend to overestimate both the number of foxes on their farm and the number of foxes killed by the hunt.
About half of these foxes are cubs killed before the main hunting season begins and therefore, highly likely to die anyway as cub mortality is very high.
Farms differ in size and fox population.

You say:
How is it done because some urbanites with tickly tummies don't like the idea of it? [Sic]
Quite honestly here, if you're an urbanite you have no right of opinion in what we rural folk do. If urbanites chose to move to these rural areas and then don't like our life style, then ... go away. [sic]


Whether I am an urbanite, rural folk,( I am rural) or an alien from Mars, the depravity of bloodlust and cruelty exhibited by these hunts, incenses any reasonable thinking person with rage, as the poll suggests.
Suthey
12th May 2017
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Yodama
11th May 2017
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At the very core of any human being is that intention drives their actions and motivations.

Watching something this horrific and finding it fun leads me to the conclusion that at their very core, they are not humane nor do they belong in civilized human society.
Makes me wonder how cold blooded Theresa May is.
Lionel
11th May 2017
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For once I disagree with you. Tony Blair's ban on fox hunting was enacted in isolation. It had no contingents to control fox populations. Hence, we in these deep rural areas are over run with foxes. His act was a rather silly act ussed as a blind while he passed through other far less popular legislation. So this is political, it has nothing to do with foxes or hunting.

If people want to ban fox hunting - some chance - then let them suggest a way of controlling fox populations.

Maybe the simplest answer would be for metropolitans to look after themselves - God knows they have enough of their own problems - and leave us country folk to our historic way of life.

What do you think?
Wilf
11th May 2017
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Good to see you back on form Lionel-I do not think it should be reintroduced. We have huge issues in the UK and I do not think foxs are one of them! We need to look after our poor and elderly-we need to care for the sick and homeless-Mrs May has said all of this. What is she doing talking about reintroducing what the majority of the UKs population think is a medieval sport. I despair of politicians they seem to leave all commonsense and brain power behind when they get in power
Lionel
12th May 2017
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Wilf, I despair of politicians too. Perhaps they're a little better than a dictatorship, but not by much today.

Wilf, as I said above, it's not a matter of re-introducing fox hunting because it never went away. Nor will it.

I've said elsewhere on SS I'm a country lad and I've lived the country life, except for a decade in London. I shoot, and I shoot to kill. Mostly I kill for us, pidgeons, hares and rabbits, oh, and the odd muntjack deer. A hare or rabbit is chopped up in three parts and fed to my dogs. Sometimes I creep behind a bush, with target in sight only to find ... well a neighbour after the same prey.

Westminster legislation doesn't change that, or anything else. Nor will it. I'm bringing on the next genration of country lads.

Yes, they would be far better employed in the areas you cite rather than mess with us quiet folks. Surely a politician's legacy is getting these greater areas right rather than bothering with we minnoes? Whatever Westminster legislates, life out here will go on as before.

It does anger me a little urbanites have so much say in what goes on out here, in the realms they cannot conceive. Blair's right of access bill some years ago was the cause of some concern. Although it said gardens were off limits, I had a couple, complete with ski poles in summer, in my garden. Politely I asked them to stop munching my veggies and leave. They told me they had the right to roam. Not on my land, dearie.

Everywhere I go there are three unsocialised Collies beside me. That's the way I like it. On this occasion I just said, on the count of three my dogs will go for a kill - that's you. One...two and they were gone.

I suppose my case is, let Westminster people play their games and we will carry on regardless.

Carry on Regardless, wasn't that a rather cheeky film with Barbara Windsor and Sid James?
Pauline52
12th May 2017
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Why has she raised it at all? For the same reason that Tony Blair tried so hard to avoid it of course. There is a very small minority to whom this matters - on both sides of the argument. They are powerful people by virtue of their wealth, and how much of that wealth will be donated to which political party. Most of us have little interest in a law that cannot be effectively policed - and the killing of foxes by packs of dogs will stop or continue regardless of any such ban! I suppose it's a useful distraction from the really important issues for those who need a cause...
ValerieR6
11th May 2017
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Unless you have heard the screams of a fox being ripped apart on a hunt you cannot comment ! I did at the age of 12 years , I used to ride with the hunt ,the fox liked it they told me ! That memory has NEVER left my mind it's barbaric and sub human and I will not vote for you mrs may although I agree with your policies for that reason
Micheledarcy
11th May 2017
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Just hope they vote to keep the ban.
GuyR
11th May 2017
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Can't believe that this topic is deemed so unimportant with the failing NHS education etc etc
maryE
11th May 2017
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Although I do no believe in fox hunting I really think there are far more important things for parliament to think about
Pwilly
11th May 2017
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Just seen a pack of hounds being exercised on Dartmoor. They are large powerful dogs and I can't imagine the terror one tiny fox must feel as they tower above it, as it exhaustedly gives up its life. The thought of that first bite makes me want to cry.
kathykat
11th May 2017
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It should never be back
susanmichelle2007
11th May 2017
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It's inhumane horrible and cruel.
Lionel
11th May 2017
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How do you know? Word of mouth? Have you ever seen a fox hound kill a fox? I have.
Macmay
11th May 2017
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I've seen first hand what a fox can do on a farm and the devastation it causes, however, I don't agree with hunting them and no it's not toffee nosed/elite that like the hunt, there are a lot of working class who enjoy it. I hate this so called class distinction.
The PM is calling for a free vote and I think it will remain banned, I've spoken to a lot of MPs across the different parties and all want it to remain banned. So, yes, she is playing a good game and the ban will remain.
lulubell51
11th May 2017
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I live in a rural area where farmers and owners of small holding are often suffering livestock deaths by foxes who kill indiscriminately,for example they will get in and kill all the hens but only take one which is heartbreaking for the owners.There were less of these incidents when fox hunting took place,however that does not mean that hunting is right,but the foxes do need to be culled in a humane way for sure
LucyP8
11th May 2017
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Absolutely not. To chase scared animals with packs of hounds degrades the dogs and the people leading them. There are other ways of controlling the fox population.
Lionel
11th May 2017
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We've had a ban on fox hunting for thirteen years - the ban means nothing, it goes on anyway. But what alternative methods of controlling the fox population would you suggest?

Further, would these methods work on urban foxes which are a greater menace by far?
LucyP8
11th May 2017
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It's a fallacy that fox hunting controls numbers of foxes. It's a sport, plain and simple and rightfully called a blood sport.
Urban fixes are attracted by food waste. If that was sorted, urban fixes would not be an issue.
Lionel
11th May 2017
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Fox hunting has controlled their numbers for a thousand years. Explain to me, please, why is it so different now?
LucyP8
11th May 2017
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Maybe we're more aware these days that animals are more like us than we thought. They care for each other and look after their young and feel fear and terror. To be chased till exhausted and torn apart for fun - aren't we above that sort of behaviour? And I repeat, it was never a population control, always a sport.
Helen Highwater
11th May 2017
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I was always very much against fox hunting .... until I visited a Rare Breeds farm in Suffolk when they'd just lost a lot of their unusual breeds of chicken to a fox; the devastation was unbelievable. So I'm very ambivalent, but I applaud a "free vote" rather than a party whip vote.
LindaH27
11th May 2017
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no we dont want fox hunting legal its cruel and horrible , i wouldnt vote for a person who is in favor of fox hunting
Bointon
11th May 2017
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Absolutely disgusted that foxhunting should become legal again. People fought long and hard for a ban and it should be honoured.
smreynard
11th May 2017
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Ripping up animals for sport shouldn't be allowed in a civilised society.
PennyL5
11th May 2017
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No one has the right to destroy our wildlife especially in such a cruel manner. If you aren't eating it don't kill it. Better still don't kill any animals.
Pauline52
11th May 2017
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I think it's true that the main purpose of this vote is to appease the 'big money' people who are in a position to threaten the political parties. It was exactly the same (though in reverse) for Tony Blair who tried very hard to avoid the vote in favour of the ban. Make no mistake, this is no less a Labour issue than Tory - selfish money goes to the party offering what the selfish want - but it is big money and matters to both major parties.

Personally, I was against the ban first time around but we've moved on - attempts to reverse legislation like this are rarely successful. There is, however, still a powerful minority who won't shut up until they have been thoroughly silenced by both the main parties. A vote in favour of the ban by a significant Conservative majority will be unassailable.

This is not a 'rich v poor' issue - the minority is made up of as many 'poor' followers as rich landlord hunters. To my mind, the answer to this conundrum is to make sure that ALL candidates of ALL parties are fully aware of the opinion of the majority - i.e. that the ban should stay. If we all stick to supporting the candidates that we chose for other reasons, whilst making sure candidates know our views on this issue, the ban will not be overturned.
Lydia321
11th May 2017
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If they try to bring back fox hunting it will be with a free vote. So many MP's from all parties will vote no. It is to appease the fox hunting minority. Conservatives can then say well we tried. Our local MP is Conservative and he is against fox hunting and I am sure many more are. Also not all fox hunting supporters are 'toffs' as someone on here called them.

I live in the country and know that some 'non toffs' would hunt given the chance. They are the same people who are illegally taking part in hare coursing which takes place in fields near to me despite the farmers trying to stop them . As soon as the police arrive they are off across the fields and it is so hard to catch them.
ArchieUK
11th May 2017
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It would be very interesting as to where delhoy got the facts from ?

How does he/she think about the murder the murder of 1.000.000 animals a day for a religious cult, but perhaps that is not important.
delhoy
11th May 2017
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They breed the foxes so they can hunt , they say they need eradicating no you need to stop breeding them for your own evil sport , and yes it has been proven.
Yodama
11th May 2017
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Barbaric to tear a fox to pieces when it is caught. A huge game, lots of laughter ensues while the fox is screaming for its life.
Who are these people?
Not all 'toffee noses' like fox hunting JennieH, some abhor it.

Probably Theresa May is kowtowing to the types of people who have contributed to her party in some way. You scratch my back kind of exchange.

"Come on old gel, what about this ridiculous fox hunting law then, can't you find your way to squashing it? lot of Tommy rot what"
JohnP13
11th May 2017
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It is barbaric and cruel. The existing law needs to be enforced and hunts prosecuted.
Rose G
11th May 2017
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Foxhunting is a barbaric cruel sport and should remain banned by the government. There should be a more humane way to keep control of foxes.
judyap
11th May 2017
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Not because I particularily like foxes, but I feel its a very primitive and disgusting sport which dehumanises people.
Yodama
12th May 2017
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It is the very fact that pleasure is derived from this torture of an animal and the dehumanisation of otherwise personable people that is the crux of the matter.
JennieH
11th May 2017
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Most people want to see fox hunting stay illegal but Theresa May will not listen to the majority and will allow it to be legalised again because the Conservatives are for the rich toffee nosed community. She will not be getting my vote! Fox hunting is barbaric and vile and any person that can get pleasure in chasing a animal to exhaustion and happily stand by while dogs rip it to pieces are very sad sick individuals
joan boakes
11th May 2017
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I live out in the countryside and always have. We have foxes and badgers around. They pose no threat to the farmed animals around here. There natural diet of small rodents, berries and rabbits etc. are plentiful. The mothers and cubs play around in my donkey field with rabbits and pheasants nearby. They sometimes lay on top of my chicken run in the sun. The hens aren't bothered. The reason foxes have become a nuisance in towns is because humans encourage them by leaving so much food waste laying around.
ValD
11th May 2017
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Hunting is an out of date barbaric act! I can't believe an intelligent woman likeep the prime minister wants bring it back!
Marilyn Connolly
11th May 2017
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Who said she's an intelligent woman? She's just another Tory puppet.
violetM
11th May 2017
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It's done and dusted. Will the MPs keep voting on bills which have been passed until they get the result they want. It's what they want on Brexit. Maybe we can rerun the next polling on 8th June if we don't vote in "our choice party"? Enough, this should not even be on the agenda.
Glumbumble
11th May 2017
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There is no excuse for chasing and terrorising any animal prior to ripping the creature to pieces for perverted entertainment.
Dog fighting is illegal, cock fighting is illegal but these are grotesques of the working class.
Fox hunting is wrapped in the privilege of wealth so we are supposed to ignore the awful behaviour as we show defference to our masters.
No return to fox hunting.
Kobyhodge
11th May 2017
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The huge rise in the population of Urban foxes is in part because they have not found a way to keep their population under control, which hunting helps to achieve. Whilst it is the so called sport of the elite, it does nonetheless serve a useful purpose
BirdofParadise
11th May 2017
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What rubbish. Their habitat like most wildlife's is being eroded and the litter and food remains dumped on our streets encourages them into towns. It's the human race that needs more control.
Kobyhodge
11th May 2017
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You're quite right Bird of Paradise, I used to Debate on behalf of the Fox and right about us humans getting better control of things, but controls could be put on the hunters requiring humanity and I do feel that the fox population needs controlling, but it is to be put to a 'free vote' and we the people can make the decision, probably to keep the ban in place.
QueensburySue
11th May 2017
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There is nothing more barbaric than a pack of hounds ripping another animal apart while it is still alive, all being cheered on by another pack of pompous chinless wonders on horseback! And they have the nerve to call this a sport!!!
If foxes are killing a farmers sheep then he has a right to shoot them....... more humane than the Hoorah Henry way!!!
valspe
11th May 2017
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May has obviously promised her wealthy hunting brigade sponsors that she will repeal The Hunting Act if they support her. If she wins, which she will, as she has no opposition she will repeal The Act despite the fact that 84% of the Country are against this cruel and barbaric "sport". There is no place in modern society for this cruelty. She must be stopped. Much prefer Brain May to Teresa May!
Angel lady
11th May 2017
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Fox hunting is barbaric and has no place in modern society.
rudgy
11th May 2017
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May is trying to appease the country folk with this idea .Disgusting ,just shows what sort of woman she is .
And people want the likes of her to run the country.
JanetY4
11th May 2017
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It's absolutely barbaric and cruel!!!! It's as evil as dog fighting, cock fighting, bull fighting and animal cruekty by 'humans'!!!! NEVER, NEVER, NEVER!!!!
Wilf
11th May 2017
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I agree its like going back to the dark ages this is 2017 for goodness sake!
BeatriceE
11th May 2017
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Please Mrs May, this is one of your policies that the majority of your supporters do not want, the will of the people must come first on this very important issue.
Wilf
11th May 2017
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I agree the vast majority do not want this what is she doing?
Jul57
11th May 2017
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I appreciate that the fox population may need to be managed...however it is possible to carry this out in a more humane way. Not by chasing the poor animal to exhaustion and death by a pack of hounds in . The fear this animal must feel is totally unnecessary!!!!
Marley444
11th May 2017
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It's barbaric it was banned for a reason enough said!
Wilf
10th May 2017
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No definitely not I am not sure what the PM is doing ... has she lost the plot? We are supposed to be focus on brexit and the economy and welfare not foxs??? This could only happen in Britain I really do think our MPs are barking mad- sorry about the pun!!!!!

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