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Should ‘INACTIVE’ over-50s go back to work?

A conservative minister has called on the “inactive” over 50s to return to work in a bid to combat any potential space in the jobs market after Brexit.

Work and Pensions Secretary Damian Green said older people and those with disabilities could be utilised to fill jobs as a result of the Government hoping to implement tougher controls on immigration.

He said there were “millions” of people who could potentially enter the workforce.

The MP for Ashford told Sky News: “There are large numbers of people – British citizens – who are what’s called ‘inactive’. They’re not unemployed, they’re just not involved in work at all.

“Many of them are older workers over the age of 50. Many of them are one of the millions of people we have who are disabled – most of whom want to work.”

The comments come after official figures revealed Britain’s rate of unemployment has not been lower since the summer of 1975.

What are your views? Are you currently employed? Are you an inactive over 50 who would like to go back to work? Are you over 50 and have chosen not to work? Do you agree with Damian Green’s views?

Should 'INACTIVE' over-50s go back to work?

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esteelauder
7th May 2017
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I am still working full time but hope to return to work for two days after retirement for as long as I find fit to continue. I am hoping to find both, time and money to pursue my hobbies and maintain the social contact.
SmarttramS
26th Apr 2017
1
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I worked until I was 70. I have been off work now for almost 3yrs, and would love to go back to work, if someone would take me, in a manual job.
gailyp63
22nd Apr 2017
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it should be the choice of the individuals ability, a lot of people find that they gradually want to retire .I know a few who have taken a couple of days work just to keep their mind active and the social part of it .An heck of a lot of money as been spent on encouraging the over 50s to stay active in my community I cant speak for how many people use the services because find myself constantly busy .
shortyshah
21st Apr 2017
2
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It depends on definition of 'inactive'?
anyone over 50 has surely worked more than 30years and myabe they just want to be 'inactive' for a while.if they are not claiming from the government-then it is entirely up to them ehat they do with their time-they have deserved it.
Irene88
21st Apr 2017
1
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I do voluntary work, but a bit of paid work would help out financially. I find meeting diffeent people keeps your mind acrive. However, I don't want to work every day of the weeks at 66 housework and gardening ( which I love) takes me longer than it used to.
Goodwinsands
21st Apr 2017
1
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Yes by all Means!...If someone in Sheffield would offer me a job...I am a volunteer librarian, at Broomhill Library, speaking fluent French, and some German and Spanish, previously managed a bookstall at a large church, selling books, CDS, gifts etc.on my own, with turnover of £15K p.a....
Previously was export despatch manager at a large engineering manufacturing company, with 6 staff, and with HND in Production Control....I believe in hands-on working and would love to get my hands on some work again if someone would give me a chance....Edwin.
Vivat
21st Apr 2017
2
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Inactive over 50s !! I am nearly 63 and still working I am not able to claim my pension yet. Plus I do voluntary work. However, I do like my work but as I get older I do get more tired.
bornardinho
21st Apr 2017
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I enjoy being inactive. I tried picking fruit once, it was a terrible experience. I would much rather stay at home and claim my pension, thus allowing poor immigrants to do the work.
SandieH.
17th Apr 2017
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I could never go back to my old job, on a busy trauma Ward. The whole environment was changing at an alarming rate. I wouldn't mind doing something like helping children read and write.....but our own children will be producing offspring soon, and I am so looking forward to being a grandparent.
grenshaw
15th Apr 2017
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Would happily work part time, one or two days a week. However, part time jobs these days are all 5 mornings or 5 afternoons or 5 evenings a week and the other five or six days of the week there are other volunteering roles that I already do.
GillS77
14th Apr 2017
1
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My husband, who is 71, was disabled at the age of 70. He would love to be able to go back to some kind of employment BUT as he is OVER 65 he cannot access motability allowance, PIP or disabled person allowance, therefore there is no way that he could get into a place of work
Lionel
14th Apr 2017
5
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Gill, I'm with you. Before I say anything else, let me say I'm not against anyone for any reason. OK?

My wife is in a similar place to your husband. She is nearly 66 and has ME/MS - we don't know which because at her age the medics aren't that interested. She is on two sticks and at other times uses a walker for the short distance she can manage.

But her mind is fully alert, and well attuned to what she did for her last few working years - local government.

But mobility is the problem. I could get to her to a place of work, but once inside, well, that's as far as she goes. Her legs no longer work.

Who would employ her? Which insurance underwriter would underwrite her employment? Yet she is still a valuable asset to the nation. But, few employers see it that way.

As it is we struggle day by day to keep her meaningfully occupied and interested. That must be like your husband.
GillS77
14th Apr 2017
1
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Problem Lionel is that according to Government, anyone over 65 does not need to be able to be driven or drive, therefore they do not need to be given Motability Allowance of any kind. To get my husband around we have had to buy a second hand motabilty wheelchair accessible vehicle for £8500, as there was no help from government at all. When asked, by my MP, the Secretary for Works and Pensions, said that anyone over the age of 60 should have enough savings to get them to retirement when they have been disabled.
Romabecks
14th Apr 2017
4
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We shouldn't be made to go back to work, we've made the decision to down size our house, move into a smaller house and live off the money left over , so we don't have to work another six years before we get our state pension. If people want to work then great but don't force us all to work.
Dippydoda
14th Apr 2017
3
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im 69 and love my job keeps me active and gets me out
RioDes
14th Apr 2017
3
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If this is purely freedom of choice then people who feel able & wish to return to work - carry on! As yet though surely we do not have any knowledge of the impact of so called Brexit on the jobs market? Quite a number of the EU migrant workers apparently wish to stay from what I gather in the news so is this dependent on Government decisions? All still up in the air as far as I can see!!
Billythequiche
14th Apr 2017
3
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Only if it is for a fair wage and not as a source of cheap labour. What would the ''honourable gentleman'' think of a case where an employee with 25 years service, when enquiring about staying on an extra year after retirement age, was told they would be getting a £12000 per year pay cut?
Lionel
14th Apr 2017
2
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Oh dear, Billy, whatever are you saying? Our erstwhile and wholly honourable M.P.'s who wouldn't dream of claiming expenses for a duck house, oh, no, God forbid, what would they say in the case you cited?

Nothing!

Cut their pay by 12,000 and stand back. Headlines across the national press, the BBC news (?) etc., M.P.'s resign en masse, each one flocks to join some EU cause for a better salary ... yep, that's the kind of thing.

I say let 'em go, most of them, and certainly our MP here, are not worth a fig.
Champagne Chick
14th Apr 2017
7
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It is too broad a question for a yes or no answer. It all depends on the reason the over 50 person is not working. Do they want to work? If yes can they find employment? If on benefits are they are on benefits voluntarily or as a need? Many jobs are now filled by immigrants. If someone over 50 chooses not to work and is financially independent then that is their choice. When we leave the EU maybe employers can positively discriminate in favour of people who live locally instead of advertising abroad. There are many reasons why someone over 50 may or may not work. Everybody's circumstances are different.
Nellbat
14th Apr 2017
4
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If people have a work ethic they will work as long as they can. I had to retire earlier than planned due to health problems aggravated by finding my husband dead in bed completely unexpected. I always gave 100% to my jobs, I held 3 jobs before I retired. I didn't get enhanced private pension in fact my pension was reduced because I left before reaching 65. I had to wait a further 15 months for my State Pension.
I chose to retire because I was ill, am still suffering chronic conditions and couldn't give my all to my work.
If people want to work they will be working until retirement. Why don't you go after ALL AGES who could work but choose not to, It would boost the job market, and reduce the welfare budget.
katiekicks
14th Apr 2017
5
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Another offensive comment by an out-of-touch MP. I, like all the over 50s I know, are continually looking for work, and only ever able to get part-time, minimum wage, short term projects, despite having a degree and oodles of experience. There are no jobs. I did do 3 months in a supermarket stacking shelves - earning £60 a day and finishing at 1.30am and I could be and was called into work at any time. I've been a cleaner, and now am looking after the sick, and witnessing the disabled and terminally ill being stripped of all benefits and told to go to work - people with physical and mental disabilities. If I can't get a job, they have no chance. I will have to work till I die. So I'm here ready to do a proper job for another 20-30 years. What would Damien green suggest....
Junebee
14th Apr 2017
1
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Iam a 1950s WASPI women and should have my pension robbed of my golden years till 2020 if i live that long
Wilf
14th Apr 2017
0
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It was very bad that HM Gov did this. they said they communicated with women but it just was not true
SandraB7
13th Apr 2017
4
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I think if older people want to work, yes they should be allowed to, obviously if they don't well thats fair enough it should be down to the individual. I work 1 day a week, and will be 70 in a few weeks and i love going, it gives me something to look forward to, and i wouldnt like someone to tell me i couldnt do this.
stevesbird
13th Apr 2017
3
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I was live cry to be able to take early retirement.Ihad a good job which I enjoyed but I enjoy planning my own life now!
If older 'inactive' folk wish to work, good luck to them.some older folk have to work for the money.
The spare jobs which may be caused by brexit will be hard work and most older folk would struggle to do it.
The ministers can always find an older person who is fit, well and loves work.Most are not like that,we get tired more quickly, don't get over bouts of ill health so quickly.
Think again ministers.
ecarg
13th Apr 2017
2
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What about all the volunteers out there who work for free,they certainly aren't inactive but are providing services that in many cases the government would have to provide and pay for .Or prehaps the government would like to start paying these people so that they then could class them as active.No I didn,t think so either.
Nellbat
14th Apr 2017
2
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Good for you ecarg. Yes that is what I am doing now. I volunteer but in a position where I can go into the centre or work from home doing Social Media publicity. I chose to volunteer because my health was being affected even more by demands and pressure of working whilst fighting health problems. I would like to do more voluntary work or even paid work if my health improves enough for me to do it but with more than one chronic condition unlikely to happen any time soon. As you say we volunteers save the government a fortune and do it because we want to be as active as we can.
Skoonie
13th Apr 2017
3
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Damian Green, you need to look at your rules, Universal Credit rules allow "sanctions" for breathing. Come to Hull JC to see how joyously the "coaches" apply them.
I asked for help last year to find work part time all I got was a course on how to avoid sanctions!
Same old Tories talking rubbish and lies in their attack on the less well off.
Why not create more Lordships and let the over 50s have them.
£300 a day for either dropping in or snoozing!
PaulM11
13th Apr 2017
2
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The big problem with the UK is that British employers are only looking for experienced people that fit a certain profile.

They do not train. They do not have any imagination into trying to recruit people from their preconceptions.

So in the IT world people over 50 will not be recruited or will only be recruited for the most mundane, junior, minimum pay contracts.

As an ex-computer lecturer, who took early retirement at 55 I gave up looking for work after around 50 attempts to get work. I only had 4 interviews and no feedback. I therefore started a small web business and sold it a couple of years ago.

The problem is not with the over-50s or the disabled but the employers, who will not train, will not recruit.

If you compare the UK to say Germany, Holland or Sweden you will see that a far wider range of people in employment. They also provide a far higher calibre of training for the unemployed and new recruits.

And, of course, the government are playing a game. Forcing people to go into any old job is not good for them or the potential employer.

If a person takes a job, and then loses it after a few weeks, the long term unemployment statistics look bad, but that person has had a bad experience and loses confidence and the employer has wasted time.
yogina
13th Apr 2017
4
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The kind of seasonal agricultural work done by many immigrants is hardly suitable for older workers . Nor indeed is work in the care sector . This man is deluded if he thinks these types of jobs are going to be filled by the elderly !
Wilf
13th Apr 2017
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Interesting. My view is a lot of manual jobs now like working on farms, delivery drivers are taken up by youngsters from mainly Eastern EU countries. What does Damien Green think? Are the over 50s, 60s going to do this work? I spent time in my youth doing both and its hard work. having said that work is becoming more flexible and its a good thing to keep active and if its some extra money on top of my pension and an interesting job I would be all for it. My dad worked from 14 to he was 80. He is now 88 so hard work never hurt anyone!
JoyInSutton
13th Apr 2017
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This makes my blood boil, really these MPs do not have a clue and are only seeking to reduce the benefits bill any way possible. Like others I will be working an extra 6 years before I get my pension. I do not believe that the number of inactive over 50s quoted exists or is able to do the jobs they think might be created by Brexit. What hare brained scheme will they come up with next!
JulieA7
13th Apr 2017
6
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I was lucky enough to be able to chose to retire early, Damien Green should keep his nose out of my life.....
There are plenty of unemployed people who need the jobs more than I do.
bag lady
13th Apr 2017
7
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I am an over 60 who is being robbed of over £50000 of my pension even though I entered a contract with Government when I was 17 and have paid a full stamp since then.
I still retired at 60 to enable me to spend more time with my 90 year old Mother who has Alzheimer's. Also my knees are ruined because of the job I worked in for my last 13 years.
My retirement allowed a 24year old to have a full time job with career prospects.
Young out of work people or those fit to work but claiming benefits should be the people filling these jobs.
Not us that have paid our dues.
I do agree that older people should work if they can and are able to get employment that is suitable to their fitness, but now certainly not extreme manual jobs.
Sorry for the rant.
pink rose
13th Apr 2017
6
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If people over pension age or those younger and not on benefits want to go back to work they will but who will look after ageing parents and grandchildren. We're not inactive but don't get paid a wage!!
After brexit we have to let in those who will do jobs where they are needed and keep out those who want to abuse our benefits system.
PaulineM2
13th Apr 2017
1
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If they are fit and want to work, why not! If there are jobs to be filled then it must be better than being on benefits.
redburn
13th Apr 2017
5
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I retired early and my job went to a young mother of 2. I think if everyone is forced to work longer now a lot of young ones will miss out on jobs
MargieT
13th Apr 2017
7
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I may be over 60 and retired but I am far from inactive! And anyway, the government has stolen my pension and I won't get anything from the state that I have worked for til I am 66!
Denver490
13th Apr 2017
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Work is not all about pay, it offers so much more. I'm not advocating full time but can't see why anyone would want to stop, I love working at 63 and don't envisage stopping for a long time yet.
annggel
13th Apr 2017
4
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Get the younger benefit scroungers working. As an over 50 or rather over 60, I'm not inactive, I am Free Nanny Day Care to my grandchildren and I'm not in receipt of any benefits - most important would have been my state pension, though not a benefit, an entitlement.
I worked and provided for this time in my life like a lot of others, so the government should not target further the over 50's for their mistakes in managing the economy.
As it is my husbands taxes currently assists a couple of families each month and I feel as his wife, he should have some of this offset instead as an allowance to his own family - but sadly "No".
Rant over.
Lionel
13th Apr 2017
5
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Not a rant but a lot of truth.

I didn't have children, although did try! Therefore my taxes were higher than family men and the state paid allowances were denided me. So in all I've cost the state a lot less than a family man. In fact the state has profited yet more from me.

My wife has MS/ME and is in a heck of a state every day. She has minimal assistance from the state and it is only because I'm now retired I may care for her. It would be a good gesture, in both our cases, if the state gave back some of what it has taken from us at our time of need.
annggel
13th Apr 2017
3
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I can imagine the minimal assistance - money or otherwise, I just hope it's not anything like the 15 minutes visits you see the care in the community workers giving?
Thankful for small mercies is just about all it is nowadays.
Take care.
Sallyann1983
13th Apr 2017
2
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Only if they are fit to do so!
upwarduk
13th Apr 2017
1
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I marked National Curriculum tests until last year (74) and my husband is still coaching children for the tests (73) We have never been inactive in our life, we have worked for our living.
Wilf
13th Apr 2017
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I admire people like you. I just mentioned my dad worked until he was 80 and is still going strong. Its good to work hard and get job satisfaction
Karateman10
13th Apr 2017
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I have worked all my life in the armed forces, worked as a nurse/ paramedic, now teaching in a voluntary capacity , done enough.
anncrisp
13th Apr 2017
6
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Surely people are employed,unemployed or retired.!! Does he mean people who for one reason or another cannot sign on as unemployed.? Let's train our young unemployed people.Im over 50 and chose not to work,but don't consider myself inactive.!!
JohnHerb
13th Apr 2017
5
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Its a great idea. I would like to work more but i think employers discriminate against us over 50s whereas we actually have all the experience in life. I have been a gardener for most of my life and know more about gardening than most especially youngsters..but then I would wouldn't I.
Lionel
13th Apr 2017
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JohnHerb, were you a professional gardner? If so, I stand in awe of you.

Professional or not, gardening and farming are best learned 'on the job.' I only grow food, my wife attends to the 'pretties.' But I learned food gardening from much older folk and copy their techniques even today. The same was true when I went farm working, I learned from an old time farmer - he was fifty years older than me - and I can say it was the only way to learn my job.

So many times I've tried to teach my step grand children some basic gardening techniques, drilled into them mantras such as, if you feed the land it will feed you, or be good and kind to your livestock and they be good for you. But, they're the takeaway generation. If it ain't in a packet they don't want to know.

Yet to counter that, I was at the East Anglian Museum of Rural Life in Stowmarket this time last year. They are re-developing an old walled garden. A professional spends half a day a week there and the rest of the time two lads in the early twenties care care of everything from propagation to harvesting, and boy, do they know their stuff. After forty five years of food gardening they put me to shame.

There seems to be a resistance among many young people to learning from us oldies but here and there some see the light. Is it enough? I don't know.
JohnHerb
13th Apr 2017
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Tough job Lionel and out in all weathers but a satisfying life and I am very contented
Lionel
14th Apr 2017
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Yes gardening and agriculture are tough jobs indeed. I stayed in farming until my rather small body became arthritic but can look back with fondness on a fast disappearing but wonderful way of life.
Lionel
13th Apr 2017
5
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This is a typical politician's soundbite. Vacuuous, but it might give a clue as to future policy direction.

Surely, is someone is over fifty and adequately provided for without recourse to state aid, it is their choice whether to work or not.

If they do wish to return to work there are some hurdles to over come first. Ageism in the work place may have been outlawed by Cameron a few years ago, but, believe me, it is alive and very well. My stepson's employer, a nationwide debt collection business in London, begins down grading promotion opportunities from 40 years old. Also, staff at 40 may be sidelined and replaced by younger personnel. It is clearly a company policy.

From experience within my family, which correlates with press reports, some employers would be pleased to employ people over fifty but companies underwriting their Employer Liability policies hike up premiums for taking older workers, so it becomes a loss making exercise for prospective employers.

Then there is the matter of tax. 'Inactive' over fifties will pay more tax, or come into the tax bracket, by engaging in paid employment. That must make the proposition less attractive since, as Marley rightly says, many will feel they've contributed to the Revenue for years already.

As for targeting the sick and disabled once again, the comment is reprehensible. Instead of causing these people to live in fear of poverty the DWP would be better to reassess it's spending on Benefit sub-culture people, of which there are so many.

The Welfare State was created to benefit the truly needy. Any government department with such a broad remit will find scroungers and frauds if it cares to look closely enough. But it takes political courage to look in the right places. Not too much of that about, is there?
craftyailz
13th Apr 2017
5
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There are lots of young people who haven't got a job - what about training them up to do the jobs. What he means is that they would hope to be able to get away with paying them less - and if they can get retirees to work they wouldn't have to pay NI either.


I'm disabled and if I could work I would - but then I wouldn't be disabled.

I'm 62 and won't retire until I'm 65 years 10 months and 8 days.
Lionel
13th Apr 2017
5
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Good to hear from you Crafty. My wife is disabled and I was a carer for some years, so there is some insight into why this attack on the sick and disabled cannot prosper. But having said that, many will, none the less, be hurt or unnecessarily shamed.

Keep posting, you've a lot to say here.
JohnHerb
13th Apr 2017
4
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I agree that the youngsters need to work first but they also need to want to work. We should be sending them on more training courses and but also giving more jobs to the over 50s who have so much experience. i would be keen to work more if I could
Lionel
13th Apr 2017
2
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JohnHerb, the motivation to go out and work is sadly missing from a chunk of the young generation. Not all by anymeans!

I have a feeling life at home is too comfortable, living rent-free and not paying housekeeping because they don't have a job. The bank of mum and dad is a little too freely available to them.

As you rightly say, by removing over fifties from the work place, or them removing themselves, at least thirty five years experience is lost to the nation and cannot be replaced. It's all very well people saying there are new ways of working now, computers etc., they say they work smart and similar mantras, but in the end a computer or smart working doesn't grow food. That's graft; getting one's hands dirty and let's be honest here, office smart working cannot exist unless others are grafting to feed office workers.

In a crisis supermarkets will close, ATM's will shut down. My year roubd garden, and food stock will feed us. But I wonder about city based workers. How will they fare?
JohnHerb
13th Apr 2017
1
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Its simple Lionel-once upon a time if you didn't work it was difficult to eat. Now the nanny state looks after us all and many people are lazy. Bring back conscription for 18-20 year olds and part of it make them work on the land. Soon toughen them up. Be a good idea to get a few MPs out there as well.
Lionel
14th Apr 2017
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Can't disagree with any of that.
Marley444
13th Apr 2017
6
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I was lucky enough to retire at 60 and I have no intention of going back to work again. Give the jobs to the young ones I say. We have contributed to the Inland Revenue for many years! And why try and target disabled people?? I think that the Work and Pension people are so incompetent .. I am sure they employ far more people than they need so why not re-employ the surplus to do something more useful?
Lionel
13th Apr 2017
2
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Re-employ them to do something useful? Like work?

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