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Should the Winter Fuel Allowance be means tested?

As part of the plan to help fund the Social Care crisis, Teresa May is proposing to have the Winter Fuel allowance means tested.

The Winter Fuel Payment is a key pensioner benefit which gives people up to £300 a year tax-free to help pay heating bills. The Conservatives say this is the largest benefit paid to pensioners and will now be targeted at those who are least well-off.

More than 12million pensioners claimed the payment of between £100 and £300 last year – but it will no longer be available to all if the Tories win the general election

Currently, the Winter Fuel Allowance is given to all pensioners regardless of how wealthy they are.

Means testing the Winter Fuel Allowance could lead to hundreds of millions of pounds worth of savings, and the money would be used to help fund Social Care.

What are your views? Do you think means testing the Winter Fuel Allowance makes economic sense? Is this a fair way to help fund the Social Care crisis? 

Should the Winter Fuel Allowance be means tested?

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petmum
10th Jun 2017
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It would cost more to means test than it would to pay to all, the same as PIP. Why not make it taxable instead, then no-one who gets less than £11500 would lose it. Those who get more would pay tax on it at the revellent rate. At least that would be better than everyone who doesn't quite qualify for pension guarantee losing it.
TrudyLS
17th Aug 2017
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PIP is not means tested
petmum
17th Aug 2017
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I actually meant the cost of employing people to decide who should get PIP.
gbseabreeze
5th Jun 2017
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to people with over 25K income does not necessarily make a difference. I take it but make sure I donate at least the amount to charity
dave 43
2nd Jun 2017
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To people on £100,000 or more £200 quid is neither here nor there but would mean hundreds of millions to the NHS.
DeniseC7
30th May 2017
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No i don't think so because the higher earns have paid more tax. That means they have paid more in so they should get something back. Why should it alwas be the people who have paid nothing in get all the help. If people don't want the money then they should be able to opt out.
scandiman
28th May 2017
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Teresa May's plans for social care could cost the Tories the election. The gap between them and Labour has been considerably reduced. She's scored an own goal.
If the electorate return a Labour government, they deserve everything they'll get. Britain back to the 1970s.
Lionel
29th May 2017
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Whilst I agree with you, I don't see how Labour can sustain a five year Parliamenary term in it's present fragmented state, It's cohesion as a political force is shattered by rival factions, infighting, old animosities being aired and of course that untreatable disease, Corbynitis.

A few months ago he couldn't put together a Shadow Cabinet, so where will he recruit a full administration? If, in the unlikely event he achieves that, then the existing fragmentation will be augmented by power - a dangerous, heady drug, and all the behind the scenes back stabbing that comes with power.

As I write I can't recall a single coherent, party wide policy statement such is their internal discord.

In the event of a Labour administration there will, undoubtedly, be chaos in the country, a 'padded out,' Brexit deal which will alienate about half the nation.

On the day of the Referendum I wrote on the excellent SS forum thread on Brexit that whilst I didn't fear to result, I did fear the 'peace' afterwards. If Labour come to power then the fragile 'peace' we have now will be utterly shattered.
old adage
27th May 2017
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At what low or high figure can it be set.
biker babe
27th May 2017
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Common sense isnt so common when it comes to issues like these...
time for change
26th May 2017
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My brother is a millionaire so does he need the winter fuel allowance to spend on a nice holiday in the sun while the rest of us freeze? Don't think so.
Barton babe
26th May 2017
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How can one truly means test anyone?
One person can have saving in the bank, that is above the limit the government want us to have.
Another person can be claiming for all sort of things, they have no bank account or sayings that the government can check on, they also COULD have stacks of cash hidden away. It would not be the first time a tramp has died, only to find thousands of pound hidden away.
worlie26
26th May 2017
3
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this should only be given to people who REALLY NEED IT AND CERTAINLY NOT TO THE RICH
Pauline802
25th May 2017
1
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Lots of posts think that pensioners overseas get the allowance - they do not. This statement is copied directly from the gov.uk website.
You can’t get the payment if you live in Cyprus, France, Gibraltar, Greece, Malta, Portugal or Spain because the average winter temperature is higher than the warmest region of the UK.
That money has already been taken and used where?
JacquelineC34
25th May 2017
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Pensioners have worked all their lives and contributed into the system, regardless of how much money they have, ALL should be treated the same and all given the Winter fuel payment.Teresa May could have cut it down to £100 per household if she wanted to save money, but please treat everyone the same, if you give one pensioner the money, you have to give it to everyone whos paid into the system.
worlie26
26th May 2017
2
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YOU MUST BE CRAZY, THE RICH CAN AFFORD TO PAY FOR WHAT THEY WANT BUT MOST
PENSIONERS CANT, GET REAL
Lionel
23rd May 2017
7
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Here I'll echo some views below.

We must get our own house in order before splashing so much of our money on spurious foreign aid projects.
Soozie63
22nd May 2017
3
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Undoubtedly there are people who do not 'need' the allowance as they are better off financially. It depends on what system she is proposing to use as a cut-off.
CynthiaH3
22nd May 2017
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I don't see a problem with some testing because as it stands even the queen is entitled to the allowance, is that right?
worlie26
26th May 2017
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JUST HOPE THE QUEEN DOES NOT TAKE IT, SHE GETS ENOUGH FROM OUR POCKETS MAYBE ITS THE ROYALS TOGETER WITH ALL THE HANGERS ON THAT SHOULD GO LOOK AT WHAT WE WOULD SAVE THEN, THAT WOULD MORE THAN COVER THE HEATING NEED SURELY SO MAYBE WE SHOULD VOTE ON THAT???
Kalkan Bella
22nd May 2017
3
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I do feel that a rough idea of where the threshold will be should be given, It does seem reasonable for people with an income of over £40,000 should not get the heating allowance.
Kanitbe
22nd May 2017
1
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Means testing should have been done years ago as many have now become complacent and accept this more as a winter bonus. Fortunately a lot of elderly persons have saved or planned ahead for old age and therefore do not require the Winter Fuel allowance. There are also those who prefer living overseas, in much warmer climates or in better insulated houses that certainly dont need it. A huge saving will be made but those who are suffering will still qualify.
LesA9
22nd May 2017
4
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If you have worked 35+ years , paid your taxes and saved for you and your family's future you have done what every single British Government has asked of people . Why at this stage should you be penalised just to help Governments who give our money out willy nilly to people who have not earned the Rights to benefit from it .
Jaybee340
21st May 2017
3
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I do need the fuel payment, I had to turn my heating off in Feb can't afford to put it on again till November.
Kalkan Bella
22nd May 2017
1
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I still one have economy 7 radiator on low but I have not used the hot water tank at all this winter as I just cannot afford it. (I do fortunately have an ecectric shower and I use my kettle to boil water for washing dishes etc)
Juliemacrae
21st May 2017
11
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I personally have been receiving this allowance and I do not need it. But unfortunately there's no way of giving it back. I understand Sir Alan Sugar feels the same way. It's ludicrous that the better off pensioners get it. It should go to the ones that need it.
Kalkan Bella
22nd May 2017
2
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Thank you for being prepared to give up your allowance.
Christiana
21st May 2017
5
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Why can we send billions abroad to other countries when they have disasters but UK never received any when the floods devastated Devon and Cornwall
Christiana
21st May 2017
1
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I'm pensioner have worked all my life still work part time paid all my taxes never been on benefits seems you get nothing for working hard even when receiving my pension I still get taxed although already paid tax at source- older pensioners have been through Wars going without -but pensioners in Spain have free weeks holiday from the government -what do we get bus pass and cold winter payment-looks like all those will be taken away soon -come on UK buck your ideas up

PS if someone in 1960s when I was teenager said we would have food banks in the 2000+ you would have laughed in their face
Lionel
21st May 2017
2
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'PS if someone in 1960s when I was teenager said we would have food banks in the 2000+ you would have laughed in their face.'

No, I would have bl""dy well emigrated.
JacquelineC34
25th May 2017
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You are right, it's always the ones who have provided for the future, and have some money in the bank, that get penalised.If you haven't worked and have squandered your money then you get handouts all the time. I think ALL pensioners should get winter fuel payments regardless, let's treat everyone the same for a change.
Paulandminou
21st May 2017
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I have just finished watching the Andrew Marr show which featured Damian Green from the Conservatives.

He stated they were proud to have brought Pensioner Poverty down to 14%, in another part of the interview he stated only those in genuine need of the WFP would receive it.

Joining those two comments together it seems to me only those on about a level of income which allows them to receive pension credit will receive WFP.

This is a long way from just taking it from the very rich.
Kalkan Bella
22nd May 2017
2
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That is what worries me a bit, I am on the borderline and cannot calim any benefits however I do need that winter fuel payment,
The hard fact is that this winter I have had to switch off my large tank water heater this winter so do not know what I shall do should the threshold for only those who are on benefits. (I do have an electric shower)
Also I rent my flat so cannot install a more efficient water heater.
Bowdidly
21st May 2017
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Depends on where the cut off starts . I believe that it should start at the adult minimum wage for 40 hrs week income level
Whippetywoo
21st May 2017
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The cut off income should be set around the average annual wage level. Folks who do not receive Pension Credit still need this support.
Kalkan Bella
22nd May 2017
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Mikeblockuk
21st May 2017
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Make it a taxable benefit...simple.
george46
21st May 2017
2
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I think all pensioners whose joint income is above £26000 per year should not receive Winter Fuel Allowance.
This stops all pensioners who receive the basic state pension plus additional modest private pensions which they have worked and contributed to should not be penalised for having done the correct thing in saving for old age.
Reducing it to the means tested level of receiving Pension Credit is too harsh.
Why can't the Tory Manifesto state the level at which it comes into effect?
AnnH9
20th May 2017
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I'm 60/40 in favour or it being means tested. I'm sure that those who really need it will be awarded it. There are lots getting it who don't.
snoopy2015
20th May 2017
1
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means test by all means but i am asked to vote yay or nay but how can i vote when no figure is mentioned this is the problem it is all guess work
Trish12345
20th May 2017
3
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I do think it should be means tested as not everyone needs it. It is nice to have it but my husband and I would manage without it.
For those on a basic pension it must be retained and surely all of the info required is in our pension records so it should be fairly simple to administer?
george46
20th May 2017
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State Pensions are some of the lowest in Europe shameful for a wealthy nation. The so called triple lock at best only adds a couple of pounds each year to the weekly payments and its just mean to restrict this along with a cut in winter fuel payments.
When you reach the pension age there is little one can do to increase income generally especially those individuals with poor health.
Payments for unpaid relatives providing free social care should be addressed properly and provide a meaningful income because they are saving the country billions each year.
VeraS
20th May 2017
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Doesn't matter what we say it will be means tested
DonnaS49
20th May 2017
2
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Yes it should. There are any pensioners not even residing in the UK that are getting the Winter Fuel allowance. How can that be right?
Juliemacrae
21st May 2017
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I'm one of them Donna and no I don't need it. But there's no way of returning it and it is paid direct into my bank account. I don't think anyone who is not living in the Uk should have it. It was designed to help with high fuel bills for British cold winters. Why should someone living in a warmer climate get it? It's on the same level as giving child benefit for kids living in another country.
Fussyhousewife
19th May 2017
3
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Who decides that pensioners should be means tested - oh yes those who earn in excess of £120,000 per annum, have a secure pension, and paid expenses all courtesy of those they are intending to means test (we did pay our dues didn't we?)
TheaH
19th May 2017
6
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People of pension age have paid for his over many years. Many struggle to pay heating bills in the winter and shouldn't have to chose between eating and being warm. Even those a little better off find it comforting to know that if bills go up they can still afford it.
bellemalcy
19th May 2017
1
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Most pensioners rely on this for the cold months as they are not afraid to put the heating on.
GrahamL13
19th May 2017
0
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Seemingly it's going to be ot if you live in Scotland.
inearlygaveup
19th May 2017
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on your marks then for a move up to Scotland
Littlegpd
19th May 2017
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We all need end of life care it has to be paid for,
JinxB
19th May 2017
2
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Although I enjoy getting the winter fuel allowance, I cannot really justify claiming it, I am retired with both state and occupation pensions, I consider myself to be reasonably well off enough not to genuinely need it so as I said to me it is a bonus not a necessity
CaroleAH
19th May 2017
1
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The problem with expecting/suggesting that rich pensioners could Gift Aid their WFA to charities or food banks etc is that it just won't happen. It's a sad fact of life that the more money people have, the more they want to cling on to it. How many people do you know who would cross the road rather than drop a few pence into a charity collector's tin or, even worse, save their Remembrance Poppy to wear from one year to the next? MickC4 has got the best idea - only pay WFA to basic rate tax-payers!
Juliemacrae
22nd May 2017
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I think thats a sweeping statement. How do you know that ? As a well off pensioner, i firstly pay 40% tax and give generously to good causes. I have worked my way up from council house beginnings and invested wisely for my old age needs. I built a business from nothing and worked for years for virtually nothing. Ultimately having 5 outlets and employing over 40 staff. I sold it after 35 years for a good price. At no time during my life did i expect the state to look after me and planning fof my old age was at the forfront of my thinking. I wanted a choice in old age and did not want to rely on the state should i need care. Theres nothing wrong with that and if younger people get the same mindset maybe it wont be such a mess in years to come.
MickC4
19th May 2017
4
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Should only be paid to basic rate taxpayers over 60. Very easy to implement!
Lionel
19th May 2017
2
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Whether a rich or a poor pensioner, WFA is yours in Law. Both richer and poorer formally employed/self employed people have paid into the State and now require the contract, from cradle to grave, to be honoured.

The more comfortably off pensioners have paid more tax than those less well off, so why penalise them? Less well off pensioner who have been employed have paid in what was demanded of them. Therefore there is no difference.

Instead of means testing WFA, or anything else, how about the State takes a close look at the millions who exist on benefits, have made a life style out of it, and will, at retirement, receive the highest pensions and top ups, as well as the other perks like WFA?
ChristineN6
22nd May 2017
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I agree Lionel, it makes my blood boil when I see lazy so and so's who smoke & drink get more in benefits than those of us who have worked hard and been careful with our money over the years. I have a friend who hadn't worked for over 20 years, same age as me but gets more pension than me. HOW?
Trudy Begg
19th May 2017
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I heard a young person on the television saying why should the old people get this allowance as she doesn't despite paying tax and national insurance. The young have forgotten that the older people paid all their live as well. Our money has helped pay for their education and health and the only reason the money is in short supply is the mismanagement of successive governments. Freezing us to death is possible a Tory euthanasia.
Lionel
19th May 2017
1
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I'm afraid successive generations have failed to make our young people understand what life was like in the very early Post War years. The rationing, deprivations, rat infested bombsites. Not to mention the poverty and oh, shock of all shocks, no Facebook, Whatsapp or whatever. This failure is down to us.

They know nothing of how our parents grafted to make a living and thereby bring this great nation off it's knees. Once we got in the work place we all went for it and in doing so created the world our children and grand children would inhabit. We worked ourselves stupid to pay a mortgage, sometimes at 15% - that's the property they want to sell before we're gone!

We haven't told them about working hard for a good reward. No, but what we have done is hand everything to them on a plate at no cost to them.

I have a step grandson. At 15 his ambition after school is to sit at home and play on his X-Box, all day and all night. His mother and my nearly son-in-law are required to fund his laziness. It is his birthday this weekend and he is here with his grandparents. Oh my, is he ever going to get a dose of reality from me. The snowflake will melt in the furnace.
JinxB
19th May 2017
1
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Up until your last sentence I was agreeing with you, however it is those who really need WFA should be getting it people accuse Tories of only assisting the rich but as soon as they try to cut a benefit for the better off joy complain you are right about the mismanagement though Brown And Blair left the larder empty and even had the cheek to leave a note for the incoming Chancellor, sorry spent it all, none left
Trudy Begg
19th May 2017
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Oh yes I did say successive governments.....we don't really know if a note was left, we were not privy to this it was newspaper speak.
The elderly and disabled are soft targets for the Tories and this is yet another of their measures that will harm lots of people.
I'm glad you are not in need of it, lucky you...so donate it to a charity.
Trudy Begg
19th May 2017
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Absolutely spot on.
Lionel
19th May 2017
1
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Trudy, one after my own heart. Tell it like it is.
Lionel
20th May 2017
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Good point Carole.
beaudefrance
19th May 2017
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Paid taxes all my fault life. I am now a pensioner and the winter fuel allowance is partly returning some of the tax I've paid over 48 years of working life. How mean to threaten to take this little perk away. Any government hits the most vulnerable first. Not happy!!
beaudefrance
19th May 2017
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Adult life not fault!! Predictive text strikes again
RedWhine
19th May 2017
4
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I hope that the fuel payment to non U.K. Residents is stopped before they start looking at UK pensioners who actually live in this country.
Trudy Begg
19th May 2017
2
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They went away from this country for the sun and warmth which we have little of. All their pensions and heating allowances are spent in their chosen country so none of their money is building our country with income.
They should certainly lose it.
JillB1
19th May 2017
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I agree with the give it to charity & gift aid it if you don't need it financially. The cost of the administration to work out who should & shouldn't receive it is a waste of money & will always leave borderline individuals with problems.
Lionel
19th May 2017
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Paulandminou
19th May 2017
2
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I do feel it very ironic that the reason May is confident enough to bring in this idea is because she feels she will win the election. The reason she will win is because she is the strong voice for brexit.
Of course if the Country had not voted for Brexit we would not be having this election and who were the people who mostly voted for brexit, the over 60's who will now be suffering.
I think the winter fuel payment should be scrapped entirely but the pension should be increased by a similar amount. That way it would be taxed meaning it costs the Country less whilst those most in need receive the most.
beaudefrance
19th May 2017
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Now that's a good suggestion.
Lionel
19th May 2017
0
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Best suggestion so far. Thank you.
MickC4
19th May 2017
0
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The government pension is tax free!
CaroleAH
19th May 2017
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Yes it is, BUT it is included in a pensioner's "earnings" if they have a private pension so you are taxed on the aggregated income after deducting the personal allowance.
May tulip
19th May 2017
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ChristineN6
22nd May 2017
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But it is taken into account with your other earnings.
MickC4
22nd May 2017
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Very true, and so it should be.
MickC4
22nd May 2017
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I have also written to my MP, stating that, for basic rate taxpayers, all private pensions that we have saved up for over the years, should be tax free!
GaynorA5
19th May 2017
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I work full time , I live alone and I already am very careful with my heating only having it on when I am expecting visitors . Instead I sit with a blanket on my knee in the coldest of weather . I am just over the threshold for tax credits free prescriptions etc . I will have a very small superannuation pension in addition to my state pension so will probably again be just over the threashold for help and would be over the threshold probably for help with heating . No leave it alone . If people have enough money they could decline it .
iestynlad
19th May 2017
0
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If you don't want the winter fuel payment give it to charity with gift aid! 25p extra for every £ - WINWIN
iestynlad
19th May 2017
3
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This is a disgusting betrayal. Why did we pay NICS? Robbed and defrauded. Stop this madness of feeding children at school. What kind of mother sends small kids out on a winters day with no food in their bellies. Why should the taxpayer stump up for neglectful parents - take the children away from them if they don't feed them. They get family allowance
greystella
19th May 2017
5
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I am just above the amount the Government think I can live on. I have just paid £150 at the dentist and £280 for a pair of glasses. Now I may lose out on the heating allowance for the sake of a few pounds. I have worked for 50 years and have paid taxes. My husband died so I have to pay for my heating out of one pension. If the Government wants to save money only give the allowance to people who live in a cold climate. I live in Scotland where the winters are harsh. Once again it is take the money from the pensioners. Many of us are only getting back what we have put in.
Mags 55
18th May 2017
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I personally think that it should be means tested because it's given to all pensioners & loads of them don't need it - may I add that when my husband was alive we got it but we didn't need it BUT we didn't refuse it because it's the only thing we EVER received from this government after all the years of paying into the system! I could never understand how anyone in government could authorise that payment - to all pensioners - in the first place!!! I'm one of the ladies born in the 50's who won't get her pension until she's 66 & the fact that all those pensioners get the Winter Fuel Payment & don't need it because they are very well off really sticks in my throat!
JeanS5
18th May 2017
2
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For all those voting yes, just send yours back if you don't need it. As I get older I find I need the heating on higher over the winter, especially here in the north east of Scotland. The bills are horrendous anyway since our utilities were privatised.
rizzle
19th May 2017
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Have friends who have tried to refuse heating allowance and the Xmas bonus payment without success!
Surely should be something you claim if income entitles you rather than an automatic payment.
Silversurfer Sue
18th May 2017
4
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In theory maybe not everyone needs the winter fuel allowance, however I think pensions are in for a bit of a bashing so maybe we will see our incomes drop, maybe we will need the fuel allowance in the future. Perhaps people should be asked to voluntarily decline some or all of their winter fuel allowance. No one should have to choose food or warmth
barge
18th May 2017
2
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One way to save money would be to stop paying the winter fuel allowance to people in residential care homes.

As someone who has worked hard,paid my taxes all in a lowly paid profession I don't agree with means testing the winter fuel allowance.
yogina
18th May 2017
3
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Means testing would cost more than would be saved so a waste of time , I have heard some pensioners say they don't need it , so why not donate it to food banks to help those who do
SandieH
18th May 2017
2
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I also feel that the cost of administering means testing would eat into the savings made making it less viable in financial terms.
SandieH
18th May 2017
4
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As a compassionate (theoretically) we cannot afford for our elderly people to be unable to heat their homes during the winter months. Some people on pensions can afford to do this but many cannot and these people must be protected from mean minded policies. History shows us that when benefits are means tested, many do not apply for them. We cannot allow that to happen to one of the most vulnerable sections of society.
MillyC
18th May 2017
4
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It depends who you class as wealthy pensioners. It seems if you spend your savings or make no contribution to the system you get everything but if you work hard and try and save for your old age you will be penalised, so who's the fool, who's classed as rich.
VenaB
19th May 2017
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Agree, we are penalized whatever we do and the people who made no provision whatsoever get help from every corner!
windes
18th May 2017
6
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IF they were going to pay genuine pensioners in THIS country and were to stop giving it to ex pats living by choice in warmer climes, and as for 'wealthy' pensioners why should they be penealised for providing for their old age.
VenaB
19th May 2017
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But most of the expats have paid into the pensions system.
Junepat
18th May 2017
4
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Not only should it be means tested to stop people that do not need it getting it but if you are not residi g in this country you shouldn't get it either.
NormaG9
18th May 2017
1
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Has no. one told you PateddieF the heating allowance was stopped for expats living abroad in supposedly hot countries 3yrs ago we get cold Winters here in Cyprus but recieve nothing.
PateddieF
18th May 2017
0
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I dont think it should be means tested but it should be looked at again as i know people who live in care homes who get this allowance. Also i believe people living abroad get it as well?
VenaB
18th May 2017
4
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Once they start to means test this benefit, lots of people who are entitled do not apply. Thousands of pounds are not claimed because people think they are not entitled to benefits. What happens to the people who have small private pensions, who incidentally cannot get pension credit, housing benefit etc. Slippery slope once means testing comes in, I say NO!
dejavou
18th May 2017
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sootywight
18th May 2017
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Why not just tax it.
WinR
18th May 2017
0
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I agree that many wealthy people should not get it . However there are many of us who do not receive pension credit but because of final pension being denied and having to buy annuity at last minute AND living in Scotland they must be careful how this is implemented !!
dejavou
18th May 2017
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I don't think it should be means tested as has been said by others any savings will be eaten up by administration costs. Perhaps rather than paying cash, credits could be given which can only be used for gas and electricity. So many people I know regard the payment as a Christmas bonus, to spend as they like, then they complain that the are in debt for fuel. I worked for 50 years before retiring after working five years more than my official retiring age, so I consider I have earned it. The WFA and my bus pass are the only perks I receive on top of my state pension, due to having a small pension, which takes me £5 a week over qualifying for Pension Credits
Petros
18th May 2017
2
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Wealthier Senior Citizens do not need this handout and the savings should go to those not so well off with health conditions that require heating on more, especially if their health conditions mean thwy can no longer work, that have to enter a lottery each year to get warmer homes discount, not just to aid social care. Obviously the means tested rate should be set at a realistic level
NeatC
18th May 2017
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Yes But they have all put in the pot, some people do not contribute to the pot at all.....
Lily
18th May 2017
4
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I agree with other posters on here who have said that it all depends on where they set a level because not everyone who does not get pension credits are well off . I also very much agree with 'Bolshi's' comment below .
Di1591hotmailcom
18th May 2017
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It's such an amazing help it should be for everyone in receipt of a state pension ,lots of pensioners will die of the cold without it the state pension does not go far enough in the winter as it is
Prosseco
18th May 2017
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No it should be for everybody who is entitled to it, my mother counts it very useful,
Bolshi
18th May 2017
15
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I think if you pay higher rate income tax or have chosen to live abroad you should not receive Winter Fuel payments, but other pensioners should.
Julia Slocombe
18th May 2017
4
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Means testing this allowance will probably cost far more than the actual savings made - has that been taken into consideration?
SandieH
18th May 2017
1
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twickly1948
18th May 2017
8
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Wealthy persons should not be allowed the Heating Allowance, not the poor & middle class people, Pensioneers are always penalised. The Triple Lock system should be left alone as well.
GlenysH
18th May 2017
4
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No it shouldn't be means,tested - people are unwilling to apply for things - our generation feel that it is demeaning that us why many women who anticipated getting a pension at 60 and now having to work to 66 are living in poverty and on savings rather than claiming JSA. Making it means tested would I think mean that it will not be claimed and more people will live in cold unheated homes which could mean more illness and in some cases death
mick2e1hzm
18th May 2017
7
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When you think some MPs get WFA on top of their wages and pensions and for some they have never had a proper job even people sitting in the House of Lords get it, they should not get it along with those living in warm climates, they get it in Spain,
WilmaR
18th May 2017
6
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Why is it always the elderly being targeted?
Why are all benefits not means tested and TAXED?
Why do immigrants receive thousands in benefits when they have not contrubuted 1p in contributions.
The only amendment I would make to this is to clarify that PENSION is NOT a Benefit it is an entitlement!!!!!

STATE PENSION - keep this going please. and send to ALL MPs !!!!?

Read and pass on:
Dear Prime Minister
I wish to ask you a Question:- "Is This True?"
I refer to the Pension Reality Check.

Are you aware of the following ?

The British Government provides the following financial assistance:-

BRITISH OLD AGED PENSIONER
(bearing in mind they worked hard and paid their Income Tax and National
Insurance contributions to the British Government all their working life)
Weekly allowance: £106.00

IMMIGRANTS/REFUGEES LIVING IN BRITAIN
(No Income Tax and National Insurance contribution whatsoever)
Weekly allowance: £250.00

BRITISH OLD AGED PENSIONER
Weekly Spouse Allowance: £25.00

ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS/REFUGEES LIVING IN BRITAIN
Weekly Spouse Allowance: £225.00

BRITISH OLD AGED PENSIONER
Additional Weekly Hardship Allowance: £0.00

ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS/REFUGEES LIVING IN BRITAIN
Additional Weekly Hardship Allowance: £100.00

A British old age pensioner is no less hard up than an illegal immigrant/refugee yet receives nothing

BRITISH OLD AGED PENSIONER
TOTAL YEARLY BENEFIT: £6,000

ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS/REFUGEES LIVING IN BRITAIN
TOTAL YEARLY BENEFIT: £29,900

Please read all and then forward to all your contacts so that we can lobby for a decent state pension.
After all, the average pensioner has paid taxes and contributed to the growth of this country for the last 40 to 60 years.
Sad isn't it? Surely it's about time we put our own people first.

Please have the guts to forward this. or copy an paste

I JUST DID!
CaroleAH
18th May 2017
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Where did these figures come from - are they correct?
Annemary
19th May 2017
1
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I can't verify the Pension figures but the racially-hostile text is incorrect.
CaroleAH
19th May 2017
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Thank-you, Annemary - that's what I thought. Fingers crossed that other Silversurfers have not "cut and pasted" the rant and forwarded it to their MPs 😉
Annemary
19th May 2017
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Is it acceptable to 'have the guts' to challenge this racist list of lies?

Pensioners lived through or remember the aftermath of the fascist threat that brought about WW2. Winston Churchill championed the European Convention on Human Rights and International conventions to protect those fleeing persecution, leading to an agreed set of rights to asylum for the vulnerable and desperate.

Our country is proud to offer safe harbour to such people.

Your post is one I have seen before, spreading hatred and misinformation.

A Refugee is a person who has been forced to flee, often in fear of their life. The burden of proof, and it is a tough process, is on them to demonstrate the threat is genuine. If they prove this to be the case, they are granted leave to remain, usually for 5 years, and some need to join our Benefits system to survive. Contrary to false claims, they receive no additional or special help. Many find work, and are desperate to finance themselves. Some are skilled people who add value to our economy or set up businesses which also contribute. In this way they begin to pay taxes.

You may argue desperate asylum seekers should simply not be allowed to stay in the first place, what ever their case, but their right to ask for asylum is enshrined in international law based in human decency.

Those granted Refugees status are able to claim help such as Jobseekers Allowance and related support, but whatever the amount, it is equal to that received by a British Citizen. Perhaps the point is that pensioners are treated less well by the benefits system than than non-pensioners, hence the fight many of us are undertaking to protect the triple lock and the heating allowance.

While in the process of claiming asylum, vulnerable people in this situation are, frankly, treated as the lowest of the low. They flee danger, including things like bombs dropped by their own governments, female genital mutilation, genocide, forced child militant recruitment, arrive here, and are sent, with no choice in the matter, to a 'dispersal' town, to live in accommodation generally agreed to be of the lowest standard. often crowded hostels or poorly maintained homes in extremely deprived neighbourhoods where services sometimes struggle to cope. Their rent and utilities are provided, which you may think unfair, and that they should be kept in some kind of camp.

They receive £37 a week to cover all other living costs. That's roughly £5 a day for travel, food, clothes, sanitary products, household cleaning items, etc etc. £37.

Not £250.

If a woman is pregnant she needs good nutrition and to look after herself. For that, she gets another £3 a week. If she has a baby under 1, she gets £5 a week extra on top of their allowance. For a child between one and three years, another £3.

I don't know where the figures you quote came from but, frankly, they are so wrong only one conclusion is possible. They are motivated by hate and deserve to be laughed at.

Stop scape goating people who actually get the absolute minimum to survive after having gone through hell to seek help elsewhere.

The real struggle is protect all our communities, elderly, young, with a disability, those seeking refuge. Picking on one another is exactly what serves those who hope to take welfare away.
Michael 66T
18th May 2017
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I was not aware that people who had chosen to retire to "warmer climes" still got winter heating allowance.
Also the cost of implementing the change could well out way any cost saving.
NormaG9
18th May 2017
0
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We dont Michael it was stopped over 3yr ago
annptf
18th May 2017
0
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My husband and I receive WFA which is welcome.
But we are lucky enough just now that we can live
without it and we think that it should be means tested.
SueN7
18th May 2017
2
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Pensioners always seem to be penalised and it's not fair, we have worked all our life and saved as much as we could but with rising costs all the time sometimes you have to chose food or heat, this is wrong. The Government have already changed the retirement age, so please leave us alone .
libble
18th May 2017
3
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It all depends on where they set a level because not everyone who does not get pension credits are well off and this is probably how they will decide on who gets it .I do think it should be people with more than ,say 50 grand savings ,because when you have worked hard all your life you should have some rewards
AngelaA9
18th May 2017
0
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Mollylucky
18th May 2017
1
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I would have no objections to the WFP being means tested - as long as they don't set it too low. We need to do much more for social care as we are all getting older and living longer. It would be good to know that I will be cared for when I need help, and still have something to leave the kids!
JEN66
18th May 2017
3
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If you have paid your taxes all your life why should you be penalised for it? No matter how much you earn. You should have the choice to say you want to give it back if you do not need it.
Smulders
18th May 2017
8
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I don't mind subject to mean testing but what level they're going to set it at? I've paid and saved 50 years and now I'm being penalised for scrimping and saving! I can't get any benefits because I saved for my pension, because i am still married and each get state pension again I can't get benefits. If i spent as i earned i would have recieved lots of benefits!
Mapek
18th May 2017
3
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Well lets face it there are a lot of people out there who could pay for their winter fuel quite easily and who don't really need the fuel allowance at all, but they take it anyway, just my opinion.
Bettina
18th May 2017
0
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Maybe they could give their money to charity, food banks for example
pidgens
18th May 2017
4
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Sick of the government slowly nibbling away at pensioners - I have worked for 50 years and also cared for a vulnerable adult for over 40 years forsaking any chance of having a family and saving the government money by being a carer - paid for schools etc which I have never used and various other services which I have never used so if I get a refund for all of that then I may change my opinion.
velocity
18th May 2017
11
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Perhaps the government should be looking at all the people who live abroad in warm countries who also get this benefit? I also think that again the people who save for their retirement are penalised while those who haven't bothered get all the perks.
pidgens
18th May 2017
1
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Mapek
18th May 2017
4
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I didn't realise people who live abroad in warm countries got this, that's quite disgusting really.
NormaG9
18th May 2017
0
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We don't it was stopped over 3yr ago
JoyInSutton
18th May 2017
0
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Anyone with a big pension should be able to afford their fuel bills. I don't think this should be open to all, We have to look at ways of tightening the public purse.
TonyC4
18th May 2017
2
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I agree that the heating allowance should be means tested but in the past both political parties have said that it would cost more to do the testing than would be saved in the long run.
PatriciaH14
18th May 2017
8
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The government forget the pensioners that have a decent pension,have saved hard and paid taxes on the money,they also won't qualify for pension credits​ and housing benefit,theyr already saving the government money,,
JoyInSutton
18th May 2017
0
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I have worked for 44 years and never been unemployed. I have paid my taxes and have a small pension which will come to me, rather later than I thought. But I am happy to give my fuel payment up if it could be put to better use elsewhere,
RinaM
18th May 2017
5
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Why am I to be made to pay twice for care? I paid my Taxes and N Insurance during my working life why do I have to pay again when the younger generations get full benefits out of the monies that WE have paid in,I saved for my retirement so why am I to be penalised for doing just that?
Annetteg1
18th May 2017
3
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I dont believe the money will be used for social care as stated. My husband & I have worked hard all our lives and not flittered money away during that time so are penalised for being steady. If "rich" people receive it they can always give it to charity eg help the aged. I really think it will cost a lot of money to administer this mean test so not cost effective.
pidgens
18th May 2017
0
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Agree - we should be able to choose who we help
Silverfox13
18th May 2017
0
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Meanstesting is very unpopular, but so is giving money to those on high incomes. If there have to be cutbacks, I think they should meanstest winter fuel payments.
RoseyS3
18th May 2017
8
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If they live outside UK should be stopped,we can only use bus passes in England',Scotland and Wales have there. Own too.Also what about all the child benefits that they pay out to EU people not born here just because their parents work here !
GlynysH
18th May 2017
1
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Yes I think it should be means tested I would give mine. A lot of people don't need it as it's often not used for fuel anyway.
pat123
18th May 2017
1
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Yes I would be happy for the fuel allowance to be means tested, would be good to know at what level though. Would wish this money saved to go to something useful, not furnishing some minister's office etc!
chromehead
18th May 2017
0
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Nobody I know in my age group 70+ actually need this payment and are willing to give it up PROVIDING the money saved goes to something useful. ( Not gay one legged window cleaners against foxhunting)We are all working class, ordinary people and usually discuss this in our working men's club and to a person we're all Labour supporters. What does that say about us ?
Billythequiche
18th May 2017
9
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Living in UK and pension of less than £30k should qualify.
Lydia321
18th May 2017
6
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I don't believe the winter fuel allowance should be means tested but I think there should be a facility to decline it. I think many wealthy pensioners would.
georgine
18th May 2017
2
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Anyone who needs extra money for their utility bills on a small pension will not go without so think that is how it should be also it should be stopped for hot countries abroad.
SylviaG4
18th May 2017
2
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I have lost 5 years of my state pension however I have never been out of work and although my husband and I are not rich we can afford to feed, clothe and keep ourselves warm. Many people cannot afford to stay warm and they should get help.
sunshinegirlwendy
18th May 2017
5
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They should stop paying winter fuel allowance to all the british people who live in warm countries during the winter months. I am sure this would save the amount they are looking for.
jamesjoyce01
18th May 2017
10
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Should people at least be living here at the time that the payment is paid out not living abroad for the months that this payment is meant to cover
As per a previous comment i am losing my support for may and am convinced we will not hear the worst until she is back in power
As for the comment about personal pension comment not all pensions produce vast amounts of money so how do you set a means test amount and what would it be!
I certainly don't have a pension that allows me to live abroad during the winter months despite having worked since i was 15
If the power companies were brought to book about the extortionate charges for fuel perhaps the fuel payment would not be needed
pat123
18th May 2017
0
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Absolutely agree with you regarding price of fuel!!!
keithnowinyorkshire
18th May 2017
2
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Mrs May forgets she need the Grey vote to come out and vote. This will be the first election that I will not vote. As a life long Conservative party member and former local treasure I feel let down by her and her cabinet
chromehead
18th May 2017
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Blimey! you consider yourself a " local treasure. " You sound like Dickie Bird!
CharlesL
18th May 2017
1
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How much will means testing actually save after the costs involved with setting up and running the test?

Need to have real world figures to see if it will actually save tax payers money or cost more than it could save.
PeterC6
18th May 2017
0
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Just where do you get your information from ????
MargaretM62
18th May 2017
2
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Think it should not be means tested we have paid Into the system all our working lives , so it's a nice benefit to have .People who are living on just the basic pension at least can have heating in the winter months without worrying about food or heat.
The MP's do not need to worry with their pays and all the extras they claim do they not claim for second houses ????when some people do not even have one house!!!!!!!!!
Jo Kingham
18th May 2017
3
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Yes absolutely it should. why should everyone get payments for fuel allowances just because they are of a certain age. Those that need it should be able to claim it, those who don't shouldn't get it. It infuriates me that it's paid to those who are enjoying the winter in warmer climates. Child benefit changed and is means tested - this should be too.
Lydia321
18th May 2017
4
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As long as the winter fuel allowance is means tested the same as family allowance I agree. If pensioners earn over £80,000 then that would possibly be acceptable..
NormaG9
18th May 2017
0
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Don't be infuriated any longer Jo we live abroad permanent and recieve nothing it was stopped 3yr ago why not check with the pension department if you are so annoyed
SandraT8
18th May 2017
2
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Pensioners, no matter how wealthy they are, have paid into the pot so should get the same benefits out. The wealthiest would have paid more in anyway so why hammer them again in their retirement years.
Zardell
18th May 2017
4
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No, absolutely not. I've paid into the pot through taxes and insurance all my life and now it's time for me to get a bit out. We in the UK are some of the lowest paid pensioners and to take it away from us or to means test it is appalling. I don't care how rich some folk are. If they've paid in they're entitled just like anyone else. If they want to refuse it or give it to charity that's up to them.
BrianGlyn
18th May 2017
4
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Starting to lose my support for "May" and her cut to us older folk on basic pensions, yes agree it should be tested in some way, I'm sure that many of us have private pensions so should not need it, maybe the start would be only give it to those on pension credits or basic UK pension, others should be made to claim any such benefits i.e proof of income and savings, really do not see means testing working as the cost would outway any savings
TessaB
18th May 2017
0
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I'm 75 and still working I have to so as I can have a reasonable lifestyle nothing grand
pammie1950
18th May 2017
2
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UK pensioners ONLY. Then claim for it, it will be too expensive to means test it.
Awarby
18th May 2017
6
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I don't think it should be means tested but I don't think that those living abroad for more than 6 months of the year should receive it.
joseattwood
18th May 2017
2
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Their target level will be so that numbers of pensioners will lose out. Perhaps they shd cd stop fuel increases instead
ElainePeony
18th May 2017
1
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Admin costs....paying the salaries of the means testers will negate the savings! A better way would for people to claim it rather than just being given the money....I donate mine to Age UK, anonymously...
BarbaraEW
18th May 2017
1
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As long as the 'cut-off' amount is an acceptable amount, not one that would penalise those just existing. I have never 'claimed' this benefit, and would not, because I have a works pension as well as state pension. I wouldn't have thought I would qualify, but I have had it paid, so not sure people need to 'claim' it. I was only a secretary all my working life, nothing grand, and my pension is not huge, I could afford my bills without the fuel payment, I would be happy to have mine stopped. It makes sense that people who were company directors, doctors, higher ranked police officers etc, etc, ie higher earners, who have really good pensions, higher than some people's salaries, should not be paid the fuel payment, because they must be far better off than me! I am surprised this was not a Labour proposal as they are all for taking more off what they call 'the rich'.
FrancesT9
18th May 2017
1
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In principal I agree that means testing would reduce the fund by a huge amount but there are many elderly who wouldn't claim it. Presently it automatically is credited to the recipient. I also think that all the expats who have chosen to live in another country shouldn't get it.
JoanP7
18th May 2017
0
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yes it should be means tested .because million airs claim this .and many rich people claim it to who don't need it just because they are old age
RogerB40
18th May 2017
0
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The Winter Fuel Payment (not allowance as some are calling it) currently costs taxpayers over £2 billion every year. Probably, three-quarters of the 12.7 million who receive it automatically every November, don't know they are getting it, because they don't need it. I'm one from whom the WFP has been removed through the lying and the cheating conducted by Iain Duncan Smith. I live in the middle of France, and we have just stopped using our central heating after 198 days of use since 10 October 2016. I received the WFP for nine years, and it has been denied for 2 years. And yet, UK Pensioners living in Sicily and Sardinia still get it, because of the way in which IDS fiddled the system he imposed!
Casey
18th May 2017
1
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I've worked all my life - still am at 65. I have my own house, I have savings for my old age. I have never claimed anything from the State. I live on my own. The bills I have to pay are the same as a couple - except they have two pensions coming in. I will no doubt lose this "benefit" because I saved. I did it all wrong - I feel like I've spent my life paying for everyone else's benefit. In the words of the pools winner, I think it's time to "spend, spend, spend".
ChristineN6
22nd May 2017
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I totally agree with you Casey
guiness
18th May 2017
0
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It would cost far more to administer than would be saved. The department full of staff plus numerous managers would not be cost effective.
JudithB59
18th May 2017
3
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Today's pensioners have worked hard during their lives and deserve their benefits. Some MPs have claimed more than that in spurious expenses. Why should this generation of pensioners pay for that!
SusanN93
18th May 2017
2
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This governments agenda is to scrap the Welfare System. Its all in the jargon of the vile 2012 Act they pushed silently through the "Back door" in a parliamentry debate. Everything that Labour gave us after WW2 was oppossed by the Tories. Fact!! Yes, its been abused and sadly the most needy get bashed for it. What a mess. Attacking pensioners wont work.
JohnG38
18th May 2017
1
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The problem with means testing is how do you set a fair cut off point? Once the principle of mean testing is established the cut off can be adjusted downwards at the whim of government. Pensioners and those in poverty should not be stigmatised by a dehumanising procedure that mean testinmg would entail.
Poppyrose
18th May 2017
2
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I was in the tranche of retirees who were born too late so don't qualify however I do feel that there needs to be some form of means testing so that the pensioners on a low income are helped but the rest realistically don't need it. I have heard so many saying it's nice to put towards a holiday or a treat of some sort which would indicate they could do without.
Everyone has paid into the system and theoretically should get it but it should be a benefit for the needy only so yes, means testing should be introduced.
pat123
18th May 2017
0
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PoppyRose, so there are pensioners out there who do not 'qualify'. I did not know that,
Poppyrose
18th May 2017
0
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Anyone born after 5th May 1953 do not qualify
sybclalee
18th May 2017
3
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People say it would be uneconomical to implement means testing, but the simple answer is to give it to all those claiming pension credit and allow other people on low incomes to apply separately.
FionaC2
18th May 2017
3
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My husband got his last winter for the 1st time he is still in full time employment. It was nice to receive it but we didn't need it like my 90 year old gran does.
MariaA5
18th May 2017
1
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If means tested how much will be lost in administering the test? Not too sure how to vote.
ChristineN6
18th May 2017
17
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Why should older people who have worked hard all their lives and put a bit aside be penalised just to give it to the people who have drunk or smoked it away. It shouldn't be given to people who have moved abroad though, they live in a warmer climate so don't need it.
If we need to save money anywhere then stop all foreign aid. Charity begins at home. Only pay in to help those affected by disasters such as earthquakes, floods etc.
violetM
18th May 2017
4
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I couldn't agree more.
KimP5
18th May 2017
0
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What makes you think that people who have moved away live in a warmer climate?
VictoriaS
18th May 2017
2
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Agree whole heartedly we pay all this money to overseas aid and we still get charities asking us for money to provide water, food, education and eye operations for various countries.
rungless
18th May 2017
3
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well said Christine I totally agree!
Clydesdale
18th May 2017
4
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Well put Christine ... I am fed up with pensioners being put to the bottom of the pile under those who have paid nothing .
Baxi
18th May 2017
4
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I agree with you ArchieUK - it's a rediculous proposal. Just imagine the admin associated with means testing all pensioners!

If someone feels that they are well off enough that they don't need it, there should be a mechanism that they can decide to put the money back in the system - that would be far simpler.
ArchieUK
18th May 2017
9
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Now the jealousy gang are out again,
Some years back, in the days of SAGA someone did some calculations on this subject and the conclusion was that it would be more expensive to have a means tested system and that it would be more expensive than to pay to all those entitled.
BarbaraEW
18th May 2017
0
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They don't need to do more than just work out who gets extra benefits because their pensions are too low! If you claim pension support, you should be automatically entitled, then those on the margin of claiming, can individually ask for it, even if it is a reduced amount. I doubt it would be that difficult, or costly, given all the form filling we have to do anyway.
JohnHerb
18th May 2017
6
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It probably should I have mates who have quite a bit of money and they say its wrong that they get it. It should be reapportioned to people who really need it
McGilchrist
18th May 2017
6
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Ideally it should, but the cost of administering that is just not worth it. I have friends who do not actually need it but give it to charity. So going to a good cause.
scandiman
18th May 2017
18
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I want to see it withdrawn for those living in hotter countries. I want to see the foreign aid money means tested. Can't prove your country needs it?- you don't receive it. Fairness applies to everyone.
Marley444
18th May 2017
3
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Yes I think this should be means tested ... there are many people who get this allowance who don't need it, so if it helps fund the social care crisis it seems a more painless way to distribute the funds. I also agree that means testing should be applied to infant school free school meals ... never understood why that was introduced .. why should ALL 5-7 year olds get free lunches???
BarbaraEW
18th May 2017
1
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I don't think child benefit should be paid to those on high incomes as well. My sister in law and her husband were millionaires when they were receiving child benefit and she just bought endless pairs of shoes with hers! There must be a cut off point, as at the moment even royalty could claim it!
sixtyplusvat
18th May 2017
5
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I am quite happy for the fuel allowance to be means tested. Personally, I am very grateful for it as my income is below £10k per annum and I religiously put it in my 'bills' account to pay for winter fuel. However, I used to know someone who used theirs to buy a new cashmere sweater every year! The Queen, Richard Branson and Elton John are also entitled to this allowance so I think it does need adjusting.
JohnHerb
18th May 2017
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I agree with you if your income is below £10k pa then in my view you should be paid double the allowance and richer pensioners should forfeit it.

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