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UK and the EU: Better off out or in?

Should Britain quit the European Union? Or should it stay? What, indeed, would quitting mean?

In determining whether to quit the EU, we shouldn’t just look at the benefits of being in, but also understand what “out” would mean.

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UK and the EU: Better off out or in?

685 people have already voted, what's your opinion? OUT IN

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johnmckenzie1
17th Mar 2016
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It's about time the general population of the UK understood that politicians are Not elected representatives, BUT elected Decision makers. They are under no obligation to follow the views and opinions of their electorate. They say they follow their conscience !!
This means, they ultimately vote for whatever is in THEIR best interests.
The British public need to throw aside their unquestioning support for all politicians and have some faith and courage and inform the world that we are Proud to be British and want to remain an independent country.
We are an intrinsic part of Europe BUT unfortunately we DO NOT want to marry them !!!
Vote Brexit
Stoic
7th May 2015
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Why shouldn't Britain be able to survive in the world at large on its own? Is it supposed that the countries of Europe that have been trading with the UK to their advantage, will suddenly stop trading? I'm to the thinking that the EU will be decidedly worse off than what the UK will be. In the event of a withdrawal from Europe many MPs will have to pull their finger out and really start working. No longer will they be able to sit back and let the supposed free market do the work for them. It would mean more energetically streamed trading bodies out in the world pushing what Britain has to sell. More energised regrouping of Britain's exportable industries. Making it a decidedly disadvantage to allow overseas companies to sweep the field in home sales.
I am sure it would be a more exciting time to have the nations workers and industrial sector working toward a really resurgent period. Knowing it is up to them to restart the engines and get cracking.
scandiman
29th Apr 2015
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Llook at YouTube 'Britain on the brink'. We have been persistently lied to for years by politicians determined to create a federal Europe. Yet we have had no say in this. There has been no intelligent debate on this, we are told by people like Clegg it will be bad for us to leave, but they offer no evidence to support this. This is a betrayal of our people.
I am beyond being angry about this.
123Siobhan
4th Apr 2015
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We gain far more than we loose by being in the E.U. Yes there are problems as with any large Union but most of those are misinformation published in newspapers which don't give all the facts. Yes as a member we have certain issues which we dislike. For example the Human Rights Act, or rather the interpretation of the HRA, by lawyers and judges who have made it quite despised instead of keeping it true to what it was meant to be when it was first written. For what is left of our manufacturing industry it is an open market. We can freely travel around the various different countries, for work or leisure. We should not blame the EU for the economic issues we have at the moment. These were world wide issues created by the banks and other financial institutions.
superbius
5th Dec 2014
1
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If we leave the EU now, we will sink beyond any recognition whatsoever. We need it to survive. The great Britain of the last century no longer exists and neither will we if we leave this great institution. We have benefited so much since gaining entry to the Union, not only by the fact that we have had greater opportunity to experience nearly all the beautiful food that comes from some of these countries but our way of life has changed for the better in my opinion, especially in the way 1 can travel and enjoy other countries benefits and also work there if u wish.
Big_D
9th Dec 2014
4
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That's not exactly true now is it? Britain is no burden with paying out huge sums of money that it cannot truly afford to finance power hungry Brussels. Our laws are no longer ours and we are being held to ransom by political extremists who abuse Human Rights legislation forced upon us by foreign powers. None of which happened when we were apart of the Free Commonwealth, which incidentally still exists.

We don't need what was once the European Common Market, because thats not what it is anymore. Europe needs us, but we don't need them.

Our way of life is being systematically destroyed by Euro loving MPs who see it as a means to gain wealth & personal power - Blair & wife are prime examples. Europe has decreed that we must let everyone who wants to come here to enjoy our welfare state, has the right to do, even though it means its destruction, because it was never meant to deal with the numbers of people who are using it without ever paying into it.

We have to destroy our countryside to build houses for immigrants while our own people are left homeless and starving in the streets of our main cities.

You talk about how you can travel & enjoy other countries benefits. We could do that before. So there's no gain there. We could also work there before. So there's no change there again.

Europe gets an annex by us staying. Despite what the upper echelon of British Corporations say & the benefits they garner the general population of this country are suffering.
superbius
5th Dec 2014
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what more could any 1 want i ask you.
fireflyatdusk
22nd Nov 2014
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Please write your comments here...I think that now we are in the EU, it would be too risky to leave it for a very uncertain future. Strength lies in Europe staying together. Any problems could be sorted out by the politicians and not left to the to cast blame for too much immegration ect. If this is the case, then the Government is failing the people of this country! It's not the immigrants fault, but politicians. They should be accountable for any mistakes they make on our behalf!
Archiebald
23rd Nov 2014
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I agree with you that it would be far too risky economically to leave now. Think we should stay in and raise our influence...thats the trick
Herbert
18th Nov 2014
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While we are still a great country I worry that alone we will not have any influence and we will gradually get poorer. Like all things in life its a matter of common-sense. We all know we have to many people coming into the UK. We need to have freedom of movement inside the EU and we want other peoples coming to work here...just have sensible quotas...as they say in the advert ...Simplees!
Cliff
18th Nov 2014
2
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The world has changed: We are in panic over immigration, largely due to the written press. Fear is fuelling our insular attitude; we’re clinging to our long gone past glories. We are a small but rich country however, that won’t last. Alone we will be a bit player, slowly sliding down the economic ladder. If we tread the European path, we will maintain our banking and other successful industries and continue to attract inward investment. But, we must rekindle our once excellent work ethos; an eastern European has the same feelings as us, but they’re hungrier than us – this is something we must address. For the future of our next generation and beyond it is crucial that we remain connected to our near neighbours; the UK should become a major player in Europe and it is the way forward for our ultimate success and quality of life. Size does matter!
Archiebald
23rd Nov 2014
1
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I agree with you the EU is the most powerful economic bloc globally. Better to be in it and have influence than to be out just by ourselves
fliss59
16th Nov 2014
2
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We absolutely need to be and stay a part of the EU. It would be madness to even think of leaving. People talk about the original premise of the common market but surely that is the free movement of goods, services and people? it also safeguards us in terms of workers rights, work safety etc. other people talk about being run by foreigners but we have an opportunity to vote in EU elections and the unelected commissioners are chosen by our national leaders who are democratically elected by us to make take those decisions. it's actually more democratic than the system we have in the UK.
I think we also have a lot in common with our neighbours. I am biased as well as looking forward to going to live on the Continent!!
Kaye
16th Nov 2014
5
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Why should we be told what to do by the European parliament. We have our own. I have no problem with immigration but the people should have a job and contribute to the tax man . If you go to many other countries to live you have to have job to go to and be able to support yourself for a given time.
Bernard Wooller
15th Nov 2014
7
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I Believe we should leave the EU for a number of reasons, although the immigration debate seems to be centre stage at the moment I think its a side show of the main reasons for leaving.
I've always felt as a trading organisation the EU was a relatively good place for the UK to be, but it now seems an organisation
that ultimately wants to be a federated country, not for me thanks. Also since the Euro was introduced I get an impression that the Euro block are running things.and within that part of the EU it seems to me that what the bundersbank wants goes nots whats good for all the other "partners"
Wilf
16th Nov 2014
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Bernard I think that you have hit the nail on the head. One of the most important benefits of the EU is as a trading bloc and my worry would be if we come out of it the UK would suffer considerably economically.
Bernard Wooller
18th Nov 2014
5
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Hi Wilf I was going to develop my argument more as to the reasons I think we would be better out of the EU but pressed the wrong button, any way Vis a Vis your worry about the
economic impact of leaving I would say 2 things, most trade now is governed by the world trade Association, and it would not be in the EU's interest to stop buying/selling to us.just look
in the supermarkets at the goods we import from the EU they will come to an arrangement.From a personal point of view I just feel the EU is to expensive and bureaucratic, for instance
they move the parliament every so often to Strasburg from Brussels every so often,whats that all about? Also I believe I read somewhere that the EU's accounts have never been passed by auditors.In Conclusion I just feel that the EU gets more from us than we get from it and we would be better off
out.
Wilf
18th Nov 2014
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Bernard I agree its too bureaucratic and expensive. Thats the problem with large government type institutions the world over. I think the salaries paid to MEPs are ridiculous as well. My point is that for the UK we are coming lout of recession and I think it would be a huge risk to "gamble" that coming out of the EU would not affect us economically. I think we would see a huge flight of capital
Airey Fairy
15th Nov 2014
5
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I used to consider myself a committed European, and,indeed ,undertook a one-year course at Bournemouth university to learn Dutch and then spent some time with the VDAB, the Belgian employment service at their HQ in Wevelgem , near Kortrijk (Courtrai ) and even went to Brussels to address a conference of other European employment agencies.However, I have now revised my opinions of the whole over-beaurocratised ,overbearing, self-opinionated SHAMBLES that the EU has become. So ; EFTA , Yes !! Brilliant idea !! But EU ?? No !! They are /it is RUINING Britain with rules and regulations ad nauseam ! In retrospect,we should never have joined ,although it seemed like a good idea at the time .Graviora quaedam sunt remedia periculis !!
katman76
14th Nov 2014
7
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I thought that we lived in a democracy. There is nothing democratic about being in the EU. The political parties have mugged us. We are sleep walking into a disaster that we have no control over. The concept of a United Europe is good, but only if you are one of the poorer countries. The idea is that the rich countries give up some of their wealth to help the poorer countries to raise there standard of living. Nothing wrong with that except over the decades we have to become poorer and at our expense the poorer countries
Mindings
14th Nov 2014
4
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Those who want us to stay in are a minority. We get little out of being in a Political Union that is not democratic. We did not have a referendum to join it was just for a Common Market and I was told then that there was no plan to become a Union so the political decision was not public and was treason. If we stay in there is a very high risk for break up by Civil War.
robnew42
14th Nov 2014
7
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When we were given the vote to decide should we join or not irrespective of the French President, it was then a decision based on the EEC, an economic club, definitely not to join a federal Europe. I feel sure if that had been put to us back then, the answer would have been a NO majority.
Mindings
14th Nov 2014
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I fully agree. Back when we had the Referendum I was opposed and asked why. I said to a political group that it would be an attempt to drag us into a Union. I was laughed at and told I was stupid as they would never join a Union. They went public on that to get people to vote us in. They then were guilty of high treason by lies to get us in a Union. In a perverse way we are not members of the EU due to a False lead. We need to be out or we lose democracy. The other members just want us to pour money into their scavenging.
minty
14th Nov 2014
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Definitely out ! I am sick of unelected people telling our parliament and Judges what to think and do.
ellenisle
14th Nov 2014
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The EU is anything but perfect. I feel we should stay in and work on changes within the E U.
Archiebald
14th Nov 2014
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I totally agree with your comment Ellenisle...lets stay in and change it for the better
Chantrybear
13th Nov 2014
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The EU isn't has developed much further than when we voted to join under Ted Heath, but it was Thatcher who took us from the EEC to the EU, and without a referendum. Brown took us further with the Lisbon Treaty (necessary with all the new countries joining). It isn't perfect, but then what do we expect of an institution devised by politicians? Churchill might have thought the UK would be better out of Europe but that was then, when we were at the head of the Commonwealth, and he wanted us to be closer to the USA. The Americans aren't interested in our small country, except they want us to stay in Europe to promote friendly relations between Europe and the USA. Our days of Empire ended in the last century, and this country needs to look forward to see where it's interests are best served, and that is staying in Europe where we already do most of our business. To me it isn't the European immigrants who refuse to accept British values and traditions, it is immigrants from our old Empire counties who bring their own values, religions and traditions with them and set themselves up apart from the Brits. Refusing to accept our values etc is an insult. If they don't like how we do things here then they should go back home.
Archiebald
14th Nov 2014
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I think this is spot on as we need to move forward with the times and the EU is a brilliant concept especially with trade etc. I am not sure about the immigration comments above from Chantreybear as think a lot of it is simply down to individuals as to how they integrate into societies which is true the world over.
duprez
12th Nov 2014
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sixtynotout has it spot on, no need to say much more apart from explaining to 'mystic' that the reason we (UK nationals) need passports is because all other EU country members have to carry ID cards-our passports are just the equivalent.

We really need to stay in the EU. United we stand divided we fall etc etc… apart from anything else the cost of leaving would be much more than any immediate savings imagined by the shortsighted gang that want us to leave.

Britain would NEVER be the country they are imagining it would turn into if we pulled out. The people that want us to leave are looking backwards not forewords and that is never productive.
Archiebald
13th Nov 2014
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Yes I agree with your comments duprez it would be madness to leave the EU. We just need to get some independence back in like immigration. I am all in favour of it but the UK will have 70 million people by the next decade and any fool can see that is total madness for everyone.
CyberCynth
11th Nov 2014
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The EU is not perfect, by any means, but I think Britain would be much worse outside the Union than within it. Quite apart from the trading issues, there is the danger of nationalism raising its ugly head; this is an issue that tends to start wars. We had two conflicts in the last century that became global. Do we really want to risk another world war by becoming isolated from the rest of Europe?
mystic
11th Nov 2014
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Before we entered the EU we were given several positive reasons for entering it. One of them was that we wouldn't need a passport to go abroad. What happened to that promise. It seems to me that the rest of Europe have always been our enemies. The main EU body reminds me of a school gang that bully the little ones. We are one of the little ones that use to stand up for ourselves and win. Then we weakened and tried to join the gang to stop the bullying but it didn't work. The gang just demanded our dinner money, told us when we could use our mobile and who we could contact etc. Made the other weak ones that they didn't want, become friends so that they could use and abuse our friendship. I could go on and on about how we have been let down by our governments and the EU. I say enough is enough. Lets get the hell out of the EU and go back to surviving as we did before we entered when we could take pride in GREAT BRITAIN.
Archiebald
13th Nov 2014
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Mystic, I think the world has moved on since we joined and now with globalisation I dont think it would be good for GB to just be an independent country while the other nations of the EU are in an integrated trade bloc
jonem
10th Nov 2014
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The trouble is that most people think that leaving the EU is going back to a previous state, in reality the UK has never been independent (the UK has only been in existence for just over three hundred years). Even more than this, except for maybe a period in the dark ages when there was no England, Wales, Scotland or Northern Ireland let alone UK.

In almost every case from the Romans to the present we have benefited from alliances with and sometimes domination over other countries.
Sixtynotout
10th Nov 2014
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No one would claim that the EU is perfect - there is always room for improvement in everything. However, leaving the EU would be absolutely foolish and damage the future of the UK and its workforce.

We need to improve from within the way the EU works so that all Europe's citizens, including us, feel that they have a good, healthy, safe and prosperous future together.

In the past century we were involved in two calamitous World Wars killing millions of people not just in Europe but around the World. Both those wars started here in an unstable Europe.

The beginnings of the EU started after the end of the Second World War as The European Coal & Steel Community set up to prevent the repeated bloody wars between neighbours.

That has grown into a fantastically successful community of European countries and prevented disputes between members getting out of hand which might lead to war. Europe has seen its longest period of peace and stability in history.

We need to remain a member of that community not only to protect jobs here in the UK but to ensure the Community remains strong enough to keep peace within the diverse countries and races within its borders.

Just as it was right that Scotland and the rest of the UK are stronger together so it is right that the UK and the EU are stronger together.
mystic
11th Nov 2014
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I remember that before we joined the EU there use to be 3 pages of local jobs at least, every night in the local paper. It gradually went down to 1 night a week and now, I think, half a page. As I am retired I haven't looked for a while but I know that since we joined the EU our job vacancies have dwindled. I remember it being said that Great Britain should be used as a human waste bin by other countries - a sort of big prison. I think this is already happening
Sixtynotout
11th Nov 2014
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mystic, you raise some interesting points. The number of job vacancies must go hand-in-hand with the state of the economy, the stronger the economy the more vacancies. And, as we know the state of the economy goes in cycles up and down. Much of time through the 1970's and 80's our economy was thriving as was much of Europe, jobs were plentiful as were vacancies. So was inflation.

Today we find ourselves, after the banking scandals and financial collapse which brought the economy of the world to a standstill, in a very different place.

Our economy is just about holding its own with reasonable unemployment figures compared to many other countries in Europe. There are jobs to be had but it seems many of our own people do not want to do them which is why farmers and many factories are now reliant on better educated Europeans coming here to do work.

It also appears that over the last 20 years or so our education system has let many of our children down badly so that many are leaving school with very little prospect of competing against far better educated Europeans for good jobs. It is our politicians, not Europe's, which are responsible for education in Britain and they have failed badly.

Reports in some of today's papers report that many of our smaller businesses now have to look to Europe for staff as they cannot fill vacancies with people from the UK.

Another issue is the lack of trained engineers for the great projects which are about to get started such as HS2, the Northern Rail Hub etc. Engineering companies have already said that there are too few trained engineers here to satisfy their needs so they must look to abroad for trained staff.

So far from becoming the human waste bin that you suggest, the UK is actually importing better trained and better educated people from Europe. These are people we need to staff our hospitals, build our railways and boost our economy.
Big_D
9th Dec 2014
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The reason being is that in most inner city schools English is not the 1st language of over 70% of the pupils and class sizes Also add in the factor of schools under Muslim influence with their attitudes to women all due to increased immigration our ineffectual government has allowed the EU to have over us.

British Light & Heavy Engineering industry has been destroyed by succeeding governments who were filled with politicians more interested in self-aggrandisement than in the welfare of Britain, Britain has become a nation of Services & all of our once great industrial power has been left to wane. Where is our Steel Industry, Ship Building, and our Mining and Textiles?

It's not the importation of specialized workforces that helps Britain, It's the training of our own.
mystic
11th Nov 2014
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Your last paragraph says it all and is a good enough reason as far as I am concerned, to leave the EU
Wilf
16th Nov 2014
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The problem is Mystic who would do all these jobs? My brother has a restaurant and simply cannot get staff to work there...but most of his staff now are from the EU and he says they are really hard workers. Young people who want to work hard.
Globetrotter
10th Nov 2014
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I can do no better than quote Winston Churchill. For those of you who have never heard of him he was the prime minister who saw us through world war 2.

We have our own dream and our own task.
We are with Europe, but not of it.
We are linked but not combined.
We are interested and associated but not absorbed.
If Britain must choose between Europe and the open sea, she must always choose the open sea.
Winston Churchill, House of Commons, May 11, 1953
mystic
11th Nov 2014
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oh so true. I choose the open sea anytime - its a lot cheaper 😉
CDW
10th Nov 2014
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Thank you Bazzer, well said. I can see no good reason why we shouldn't revert to the former EEC which we had initially which was for the purposes of trading within in the European countries which were members. I have a suspicion that there could be a few countries following our lead if we were successful. We, as an island nation, are in a completely different situation from mainland Europe when it comes to our borders and immigration. Mainland Europe countries have so many connections to each other the borders were always difficult to maintain and very expensive whereas apart from perhaps increasing border staff the UK has not fundamentally changed. If only it were possible to sort it out with common sense - alas I don't think there is anyone with the guts let alone inclination to do so.
granmabones
10th Nov 2014
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Do not have sufficient knowledge to make an informed decision more needs to be debated onthis subject in order to know the true facts.
Herbert
18th Nov 2014
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Good comment. The government need to get a website up and put in the FACTS!
Bazeley
10th Nov 2014
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Generally I would have said stay in as I think being a collective power gives us strength, but I am concerned that we seem to be increasingly tied up with laws and regulations that are not working for us and even worse, some are becoming detrimental.
girlbabar
10th Nov 2014
7
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I would prefer to be out of the common market. It is not what we joined as we joined a common market. We did not join to be ruled by Brussels- we put in far more than we gain. The biggest problem that I can see is that France will no longer attempt to keep back the refugees. We need to implement border restrictions. When was the last time any one actually really looked at a passport.
We need far more scrutineers at airports and ferry ports.

We also need to detain illegal immigrants when they are found and also visa overstayers. They need to be detained in old army camps and deported as soon as possible. Australia and New Zealand do it so why do not we?
Bazzer
10th Nov 2014
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I voted, all those years ago, to join a "Common Market" - a European Economic Union - to remove import/export tariffs & to make trade, both for business & personal reasons, easier, more manageable, & cheaper for all. I did NOT vote for the devolution of our Sovereign powers to an unelected Bureaucracy in another Country. Nor did I vote for a Federalised Europe. We have surrendered FAR too much of what was Britain to the faceless bureaucrats in Brussels, who treat us with contempt. They force "laws" on us which are wholly inappropriate to our culture & well-being. Bear in mind also that the accounts of the EU have NEVER been signed off by any auditor - they are corrupt! Noses in the trough? Certainly!
I would like to see a genuinely independent analysis of the cost/benefit of leaving or remaining in Europe, NOT a politically biased monologue from pro & anti - just a straightforward evaluation of the implications of either option for when (if) it comes to a referendum. If I am forced to vote without any further information forthcoming - I will vote to leave. Further - after many years of seeing the three main parties cock up just about everything they've touched, I will be voting for a fourth party in the General Election. This worm is turning!
mountainman
6th Feb 2015
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WELL SAID BAZZER I WHOLEY AGREA WITH YOU AS A WHOLE THE EU HAS GONE BEYOND ITS ORIGINAL CONCEPT AND HAS TURNED INTO A FEDERAL EUROPE AND IS STILL GROWING , NOW TURKEY WANTS IN AND WHO WILL BE NEXT PROBABLY MORE OF THE BALKAN COUNTRYS AND THINGS WILL JUST GET WORSE
CyberCynth
11th Nov 2014
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Bazzer, I can sympathise with your views on the running of the EU; the whole system badly needs changing. There is a lot of corruption in the Towers of Europe, but there is also a lot of hypocrisy, too. For example, while Nigel Farage is happy to slang the EU at every opportunity, he is taking the maximum amount possible in expenses from it.

You don't mention which 'fourth party' you will be voting for in the forthcoming election, but please think carefully before giving fuel to the fire of nationalism!
ladyrim
10th Nov 2014
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It would cost the country to much to opt out we would loose a lot of export business Europe most probable decline any new contracts from companies here
Wilf
16th Nov 2014
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I think thats right we would find a lot of companies would not want to do business in UK PLC
Archiebald
9th Nov 2014
4
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I think its better for us all to stay in. Better to have a lot of friends in this world and by and large it works!

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