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Would you like to see the mail, rail and energy industries nationalised?

Would you like to see the mail, rail and energy industries nationalised?

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Chrisssy
6th Jun 2017
0
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Just a little research on how much the government currently subsidises rail shows this from a gov.uk website
"Governments received a net payment from TOCs in each of the
last six years, receiving £817 million in 2015-16, which is the
largest amount received since the time series started in 1985-86.
On average, for every passenger kilometre travelled in Great
Britain, governments received 1.3p in franchise premiums in
2015-16, which was the same as the previous year.
The majority of government funding was in direct rail support,
which is the grant payment to Network Rail. This was £4.0 billion
in 2015-16, an increase of £197 million on 2014-15."
As for nationalisation taking us back to strikes then clearly some commenters don't see the same news that I do as they are ongoing, mainly because they want to remove the guards from the service. I'm really not sure what happens if there is any kind of incident on a train if this becomes nationwide practice. And of course there is the overcrowding issue - again publicised widely.
CarolF6
20th May 2017
3
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There is absolutely no reason why a country cannot run it's own utilities effectively - many countries do. Why are we paying other countries to run ours? And why do we think corporations do a better job, when what they do is rake off huge profits for their shareholders and pay their CEO's huge salaries. Profits from running utilities should be ploughed back into a country's infrastructure and things such as social services and the NHS, instead of into the bank accounts of rich individuals.
GeoffB5
19th May 2017
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Having grown up with nationalised industries, I know it does not work. One example: we would have national rail strikes back, likewise with other industry. The unions would again have too much power.
Newport photo man
19th May 2017
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I would like to see the energy industries taken back into state control, as they have been robbing us since privatisation.
iestynlad
19th May 2017
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Foreign companies with their foot on our necks! Renationalise and take back ownership. We could be held to ransome - aren't we already - with the cost of energy and water. Vital essentials to life. What next privatise the air we breathe!
McGilchrist
18th May 2017
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As one who remembers the, nationalised industries, especially the railways, I would not want to see them nationalised again. Money being poured in. No interest in efficiency. Jobs for life attitude. Money being poured in.
SUSIJEN
17th May 2017
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With everything nationalised and Labour in government the unions will rule everything again. I'm old enough to remember trying to do my Maths homework by candlelight. No thankyou.
Lionel
17th May 2017
3
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Our railways are publicly owned, it's just not the British public in ownership.

Arriva is an outpost of Deutsche Bahn, the highly efficient German train operator. The Essex-operator C2c is part of Trenitalia, the Italian state rail company. Not a lot of comment there. But I could go on and be very boring.

It’s just that the government ownership is by foreign governments. Not ours. Therefore, ultimately a foreign power has control over our water, electricity, gas, railways ... and it goes on.

How Corbyn thinks he may extricate these utilities from the hands of continental megaliths I don't know. But I know this. These companies perform so much better in their home countries than they do here. so, what's good for them is good for us too.
mick2e1hzm
17th May 2017
2
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The last time every thing was run by the government it was ruled by the unions, and Corbyn has stated that he will give power back to the unions, and I remember being forced to lose a lot of pay through the 3 day week, why do you think people like McCluskey are backing Corbyn
Pam1960
17th May 2017
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I would like to see the mail and water services nationalised. In an ideal world I would also include rail and energy services. Looking back on the issues before privatisation what could be put in place to stop these services being run into the ground or would we be back to an over manned over pad workforce and over charged public
Pauline52
17th May 2017
2
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Nice idea, but pie in the sky for the time being I think. It's all very well saying they are cost-neutral to return to Public sector, but whether or not that proves to be true, I'd like to see some realistic figures about the on-going running costs and regular investment - and where that money will come from.
Bigjohn
17th May 2017
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Why does Corburn want to go backwards in time and not go forward. He is living in the past with communist ideas.
JohnHerb
17th May 2017
3
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Maybe we should Nationalise the rail and water. They have no real competition its not like a normal competitive environment. So how can I get competition on my drinking water...Can different companies pipe they water via my tap...No of course not
Fifi trixabel
17th May 2017
2
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my memories of nationalised industries were over manning, high costs, staff proud that they attended but didn't work inefficiency.
ColinO6
17th May 2017
1
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these industries are already nationalised,the tories have franchised them out to their friends,who are coining in all the cash which would be spent on NHS defence, energy control,etc,as for the tory leader shades of st,maggie ,who among the tory tribe will be the backstabber.they sent maggie blubbering into retirment will history repeat itself.
NorfolkBroad
17th May 2017
3
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I remember the days when British Rail was nationalised - dirty trains, famed for never running on times, and strike after strike after strike. Due to medical reasons I am no longer allowed to drive a car so use the train quite often. Without exception they are clean, almost exclusively on time, and relatively strike free. The staff are helpful. When anything is 'nationalised' people seem to assume that they can do what they want and will always have a job. The train service in the UK with the worst reputation currently is Southern because the Union is always calling the workers out on strike; they are not interested in modern alternatives and only think about keeping as many people doing jobs that have become obsolete. The only things I think should be nationalised are Gas and Electricity (and all future alternatives of Power), the Emergency Services, and Customs and Excise. Everything else has improved since it has gone private.
Billythequiche
17th May 2017
5
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The only real difference would be that those who do not use rail for instance, would subsidise those who do; us in the north would subsidise London commuters. Blackmailed by powerful unions there would be no improvement in service and no one would be held accountable.
JeanS5
17th May 2017
8
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Those with shares in these companies will not want to lose out. Personally, I think it is a scandal that huge profits are being made by private companies, on what should be basic services to our communities. Everyone will ask where the money is going to come from, but the UK government always manages to come up with the money for their own pet projects, not forgetting the numerous wars we get involved in. They have practically sold off most of Britain's assets, yet the debt keeps increasing! The country needs sources of income which do not rely on continually upping taxes, because all that does is reduce spending power. Basic housekeeping!
thefilthycripple
17th May 2017
3
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A horrendous notion ,I remember the trains were always late dirty ,remember BT you waited for months for a line and often you had to share it with someone you didn' t know . Nationaikdatiom means total inefficiency
JeanS5
17th May 2017
6
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Now the trains are still late, cost the earth and keep breaking down. You can fly from Aberdeen to London for £25, one way, yet by rail it is over £300!
tinatots11
17th May 2017
5
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Ok so on paper it sounds a good idea but where is the money to buy back these industries from the private sectors whey are spread around?
HelenA35
17th May 2017
6
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Many tail networks in Europe are nationalised and are far superior to anything in the UK
Wilf
17th May 2017
5
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Very true the French railways are excellent
donald duck
17th May 2017
3
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yes i am in favour of nationalising the major services cancell H S2 that would save a fortune put a tax on the top wage earners corbyn is talking just how the labour party acted years a go for the working man
jamesjoyce01
17th May 2017
9
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I used the railways during the 60s/70/80s and no way were they anywhere near as expensive as they are today, yes i agree they could have been more efficient but they were not the only industry with problems a lot of the problems were caused by antiquated thinking towards working people by bosses
I was also a postmen during some of that period and take offence to the person who suggests i was back in bed by noon, my shift started at 5am, i would be out of the sorting office in all weathers by 7am putting up with peoples aggressive dogs among other things, back to the office about 10.30 for a break before taking out another load before returning and finishing my shift about 2.30
Also quite often we would be asked to do overtime to cover lack of staff which meant we would probably do another 3 hours in the evening
JuneW17
17th May 2017
2
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When will we ever learn not to keep going back ? If Nationalisation didnt work before why is it going to work again ??? All this would achieve is to increase the hurden of debt on the whole country.
CathyS9
17th May 2017
7
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Idealistically yes, but realistically no. So many other priorities right now. Labour can afford to be idealistic as they know there's no chance they will be in power to carry it through.
Putty
17th May 2017
3
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People have such short memories. The nationalised rail industry was very inefficient, expensive and union dominated. I could not afford to use rail travel in those days but the cheap offers available now are amazing.
The same applies to the energy industry, The cost of my gas and electricity has dropped dramatically since privatisation. The old state owned organisations were inefficient and held to ransom by the Trade Unions.
Similarly the Royal Mail. Inefficient practices protected by the Trade Unions. I personally knew postmen who would have done their days work and be back in bed before noon. Everybody must have seen how the old push bikes have now gone.
I worked in Local Government for 30 years managing the 'hourly paid' labour force but the restrictive working practices were unbelievable and cost a fortune, until compulsory competition was introduced and reduced costs dramatically.
Nationalised Industries lead to Trade Union domination, restrictive working practices, and increased costs to the consumer. We must never go back to those days.
JuneW17
17th May 2017
1
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I couldnt agree more.
Wilf
17th May 2017
-1
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I agree I think those days have gone and we need to look forward
JeanS5
17th May 2017
5
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If your gas and electricity bills have dropped dramatically since privatisation, you must be the only one in the country. Mine have increased by about twenty fold, and that is taking account of my family all going their separate ways. As for Posties, now they work till evening and pull a huge trolley around, for less pay too, most just part time. Mail is delivered later and later, and here it is collected at 9am. What use is that for anyone? Railways improved? I dont think so. The price is exorbitant and never a week goes by but another one has broken down. Short memories?
Putty
17th May 2017
0
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The average fuel bill is about £1000 a year. So you were paying £50 a year ? Really? Postmen now work all day, like everybody else, I use the West Coast rail line and find Virgin and London Midland to be clean and reliable and the off peak prices are excellent, and a fraction of what they used to be. Perhaps you aren't old enough to remember how bad things used to be.
SueS79
17th May 2017
5
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Your energy prices have gone down. Who are you with ? Also all privatisation does is make the shareholders wealthy. I object to my money going to people who already have more than enough
jane63c
17th May 2017
6
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It is a false market and is part if the country's essential infrastructure so should not be in the hands of profiteers. The East Coast line was recently run as a public company, it worked brilliantly.
Munsterlander
16th May 2017
12
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I am a lifelong Labour supporter and this is one of the reasons. The nationalisation of many industries has been a scandal with huge pay increases for the top executives of many of these companies and in many cases total incompetence. Look at Southern Rail which I use. They are always on strike and even before all that started they never used to run on time. The water companies used to have managing directors on reasonable salaries when the public owned them. then I remember reading when they were privatised the "had to get the best" so salaries and rewards hugely increased for the same managers! What a joke-we the people paid for it. In my view the state should finance and run these operations. many of these companies are now owned and run by foreign companies-why on each would we sell off our crown jewels-its a joke. Yes bring them all back into the public sector-rant over.
[deleted]
17th May 2017
3
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JuneW17
17th May 2017
4
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Look no further than subsequent Governments for incompetence and some people want to put essential services back in thier hands !!

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