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Would you support Junior Doctors if they go on strike?

Junior doctors have rejected the Health Secretary’s last-minute pay offer and will go ahead with their ballot for strike action.

The BMA has started balloting around 40,000 junior doctors in England today about possible industrial action.

The BMA argue the new government contract for trainee doctors would mean major pay cuts, and threaten safety by making doctors work longer hours. The average working week will still be 48 hours, and the maximum will be reduced from 91 to 72,with strict enforcement by watchdogs.

If the new rules are forced on them, our junior doctors are more likely to move abroad and the NHS will be in crisis.

Although the timing and length of the strike has not been decided, it would cause huge disruption for the NHS over winter, leading to thousands of cancelled operations and appointments.

Votes on strike action will be cast from today and will be counted on 18th November.

What are your views?  Do you think Junior Doctors are right to go on strike? Do you have sympathy with them?

Would you support Junior Doctors if they go on strike?

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leslieross
26th Jan 2016
0
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Junior Doctors put us all at risk by striking. They are professionals and should act accordingly. Work is hard and life is tough as all the physicians who preceded them would tell them.
internationallady
13th Dec 2015
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Junior doctors already work far less hours than their senior compatriots did when they trained due to EU regulations. As a Nurse I have seen their hours reduce significantly while nurses step up and take over some of the things doctors did in the past and probably with more compassion. The Govt are right when they say we do not have a 24 hour 7 day health service, you only have to visit a hospital on Saturday or Sunday to know that. As a patient I have found younger doctors that I have come into contact with... i know this is not all, to lack the caring and compassion I have seen in the past and that saddens me as they are becoming more selfish and less selfless. As a nurse I have never been on strike, and I never would desert those I was caring for.
AnnHar1
21st Nov 2015
3
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My great niece recently qualified as a doctor and is working on the wards still under supervision at the moment. She reckons that she has a great job and although she doesn't have a lot of time to party she has a job that she loves and a great life. She also says that she wouldn't strike
Cazza263
20th Nov 2015
2
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I am not sure of the details of the proposals but "The BMA argue the new government contract for trainee doctors would mean major pay cuts, and threaten safety by making doctors work longer hours" does not quite compute with the next sentence: "The average working week will still be 48 hours, and the maximum will be reduced from 91 to 72,with strict enforcement by watchdogs."

So ... are Junior doctors merely facing paycuts because their maximum hours are being reduced to 72 from 91? And how can it be threatening safety by making them work longer hours if their maximum hours are being cut? Doesn't add up ...
pal23r
20th Nov 2015
3
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I do think that more should be done to keep our own British doctors and nurses in this country and they should definately bring back Matrons, Matrons would sort the hospitals out!
Matron999
20th Nov 2015
4
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My grade was Matron but we don't have the same job description as the old matrons did unfortunately. I agree bring her back and also bring the ward domestic under the jurisdiction of the Ward Sister. I remember just how wonderfully clean everything was and as nurses we had to do damp dusting as well. That wouldn't happen these days.
Matron999
20th Nov 2015
4
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I'm a nurse although retired and worked for over 40 years on what may would consider a poor salary for the job I did and the extra unpaid hours I worked. But I did it without grumbling because it was a job I chose to do, you could say it was a vocation. Did we ever strike? No never because our patients came first. I never thought I would see the day doctors would vote to strike and I am appalled. Patients will now suffer because operations and out patient appointments will be cancelled. Other patients will probably have to stay in hospital an extra night because the other doctors ie consultants and registrars will be too busy to discharge them. A very sad situation indeed.
jeanmark
20th Nov 2015
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The term 'junior doctors' refers to all doctors below consultants. It is sad that doctors believe strike action is the only solution open to them. However, this isn't about money, like you, they care deeply for their patients and feel this is the only option they have been given to protect the health and wellbeing of their patients and themselves. I'm also a retired nurse and worked full time in the NHS for over 45 years but still support their cause.
Matron999
20th Nov 2015
1
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Junior doctors does not include registrars. They would be insulted to be called that after the amount of training and years worked in the NHS. A junior doctor is below a registrar.
jeanmark
20th Nov 2015
1
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In the context of the government debate it appears that Jeremy Hunt refers to all doctors under consultant level as junior doctors. Junior in this case doesn't seem to refer to experience. Like you I was a 'senior' nurse when I retired (Band 8c) and do understand the difference.
Matron999
20th Nov 2015
2
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Well he's insulting the doctors even more. I was an 8c as well, I don't think there were many of us at all and there will be even less now. I wasn't replaced by an 8c. More cost cutting.
Westminster
11th Nov 2015
1
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Junior Doctors eventually become Consultants if they are any good.

Consultants are rich with their high salaries and private patients, they average £250,000 per annum.

I would happily work as a Junior Doctor on £80,000 per annum with the prospect of becoming a Consultant.

Most of them will not strike, because it will blight their chances of promotion, you notice that most of their Union reps are mouthy young females.
jeanmark
20th Nov 2015
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Does that comment mean you are a bigoted male!
Westminster
20th Nov 2015
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No, just mentioning what I have seen on TV
jeanmark
20th Nov 2015
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I don't think seeing something on TV warrants sexist comments.
SovereignInventory
12th Nov 2015
2
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I don't believe that we need to make sexist comments about "mouthy young females".
SovereignInventory
9th Nov 2015
2
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I have just voted on this topic and the results show 37% not in favour, yet the vast majority of comments on here support the junior doctors if they go out on strike - strange?
On my most recent jobs, I had to sign something brought in by the EU about working more than 48 hours a week. Does this not apply to junior doctors then?
internationallady
12th Nov 2015
3
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Yes it does. Junior Doctors had their hours slashed when the European working time directive came in. So they already work shorter hours than many of the senior doctors did in training. I could not support a strike. I am a nurse and have never supported leaving patients unattended. It is completely immoral.
SovereignInventory
12th Nov 2015
3
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Thanks for clarifying that for me. I take your point about striking, I hope it never happens that you have to make the decision.
grandma2
9th Nov 2015
1
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They have worked for years before they become doctors gaining the best qualifications, working very long hours over all days,not just weekends,they have to treat all people with respect and are being treated very unfairly themselves, for the duties and responsibilities they have.
Why shouldn't they have 'weekends', everyone else does and with those comes extra pay for working them.
Working long hours, they become tired like everyone else,they need rest we don't know what they have to do when they go home, how the government can let this happen, we all can't afford private medical care, like they do, it's the National Health Service for everyone paid for by all of us through our working lives, we must look after the workers who keep it a wonderful service,
The government are just making cuts everywhere to hurt ordinary people, why do chairmen and business executives get paid so much, their pay and leaving/retirement pay is a joke.
AnnHar1
21st Nov 2015
1
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I worked for the NHS and my pension (which I paid into ) is amazing and has risen year on year inline with inflation. The pension is for life and when I die my husband will get half the amount also for life!! I also spent many years working in the hospitality industry where I also worked EVERY weekend, bank holiday, Christmas, New Year all for no extra pay!! (I got paid antisocial working hours payments with the NHS and people fought to get those antisocial shifts FOR THE MONEY!!) I also get no pension from my many years being a hospitality slave even though I was a high flier !! Yes I worked long antisocial hours with the NHS but I was rewarded well for it both whilst working and since I retired
tyson
21st Nov 2015
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Then you are very fortunate!
Matron999
20th Nov 2015
4
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Junior doctors haven't "worked for years" before they become doctors. Junior doctors are the grade that have recently qualified so some (the doctors who qualified in the summer) will have very little experience of working long hours and weekends. These doctors are the lowest grade doctors working their way up through the ranks until they become registrars. Historically all junior doctors have worked long hours and they know what is expected of them when they first apply for medical school. Let these doctors have weekends off and heaven help any patient being ill at the weekend.
internationallady
13th Dec 2015
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I agree... how come Doctors can have weekends but Nurses keep going? I do believe we need a true 24 hour 7 day a week service which includes people like Physios, and OT's as well as the medical staff. Never get sick at weekends it is proven by research that your chances of survival are significantly less.
tyson
8th Nov 2015
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We need a better pay for junior doctors and better hours to encourage them to stay in UK and not seek better paid work abroad!!!
AnnHar1
21st Nov 2015
1
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The "brain drain" has been going on for years in all fields of occupation not just in medicine some people just want to experience more of the world and having good qualifications in whatever field they are in helps them to achieve that
scotman
7th Nov 2015
4
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Any doctor in hospitals should not be working anywhere near the hours they do and for the Tories and SNP to say they are protecting the NHS in their respective countries is absolute nonsense.
thetelephonist
7th Nov 2015
2
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yes I would support the junior doctors I work for the nhs no medical staff and they work very hard it about time someone stod up to this government they don't work seven days a week they barely work at all and are paid salaries behond an ordinary persons dream pay our national health staff what they are worth
AnnHar1
21st Nov 2015
1
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So do you think that they only just started working these hours then ?? its nothing to do with politics and all to do with life Florence Nightingale worked until she dropped too
Wilf
21st Nov 2015
1
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But just because they have always starting working these hours it doesn't mean to say they should continue doing so. An engineer on a train or aircraft would not be able to work these house as they would be considered dangerous-the same goes for doctors
thefilthycripple
6th Nov 2015
2
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The threat of doctors moving abroad is a red herring ,our doctors are paid a lot more than most European countries ! The only place to earn more is the USA and the competition there is red hot !
AnnHar1
21st Nov 2015
1
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Wilf
6th Nov 2015
2
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Yes but they should be paid much more and not have to work 90 hour weeks. Nobody else does
AnnHar1
21st Nov 2015
0
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I regularly worked those hours for years!! as a Hotel manager so its silly to say that "nobody else does"
Westminster
11th Nov 2015
1
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They do not work 90 hours per week, that is one of the fairy tales they feed the public.
Wilf
11th Nov 2015
1
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How many hours do they work then? On BBC question time last Thursday a couple of them said they do work these length of hours
thefilthycripple
6th Nov 2015
2
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Essential services should never go on strike .however the hapless Jeremy Hunt is wrong by insisting that the doctors agree 22 of 23 points before he will talk to them.By no definition is that a negotiation !
Wilf
6th Nov 2015
1
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I totally agree with you how can that be a negotiation!
rudgy
6th Nov 2015
2
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Yes .This government has a lot of idiots trying to run things .Better they were more concerned for the people who elected them and not their selves .
Wonder how many of them work 90hours or even 72 hours a week ,might take them couple of months .
The junior doctors do brilliant work.
Wilf
6th Nov 2015
0
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Get in someone with common sense like Lord Sugar to sort it out!
Margaret Hart
21st Nov 2015
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We've watched him since his Amstrad days and he's the biggest crook of all.
Wilf
21st Nov 2015
1
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Strange thing to say about one of the UKs top and most respected businessmen!
Margaret Hart
21st Nov 2015
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Did you ever own an Amstrad product or know anything about his business ethics.
Robert2706
6th Nov 2015
2
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Margaret Hart
6th Nov 2015
3
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I feel very strongly about this matter. Yesterday my husband had a specialised scan on his pancreas due to 6 years of problems with recurring stones after having his gall bladder out. It was a very young doctor who performed this internal scan and he is the only one in our area who can carry out this procedure. If the young doctors are forced into a strike or if these new rules as forced upon them then he is exactly the type of doctor who will move abroad as with his skills why should he stay here to be treated so shabbily. Doctors trained in the UK are wanted and needed all over the world and we could lose many more. Surely a junior doctor us worth at least the same as a junior MP but they all get the same unless they have some special responsibility and many have no idea what to do. What do others think?
AnnHar1
21st Nov 2015
1
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So do you think that there are no doctors as good as ours elsewhere in the world?? I beg to differ as my family are scattered alll over the world and have amazing doctors and facilities at their disposal and they didn't train here ! The only difference it that instead of paying NI contributions and having a free NHS they pay health insurance which pays for all their needs
Margaret Hart
21st Nov 2015
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If our NI contributions had been used as they should have been and not the money spent on other useless projects we would have no problems.
Margaret Hart
21st Nov 2015
1
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I didn't even infer that but there is always work abroad for Doctors trained in the UK and I know there are wonderful doctors all over the world.
nanabet48
20th Nov 2015
2
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In my opinion a junior doctor is worth a lot more than a junior or senior MP. At least a junior doctor has a few years training in his profession behind him - what training does an MP have for the position he/she holds?
grandma2
9th Nov 2015
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I agree, when you know the qualifications doctors need, and they have to be insured, I don't think M.Ps do
jeanmark
20th Nov 2015
1
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All healthcare professionals need insurance not just doctors although they do have to pay much more and there are a number of healthcare professionals who have to be highly qualified to. However, I do support the doctors cause as I believe eventually other healthcare professionals will be hit by similar political strategies.
donny1954
6th Nov 2015
3
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It is Junior Doctor's that carried the most responsibility in a hospital to take care of patient's and if they get it wrong the Consultant's walk of with the possibility of most of the Credit.
greenspringy
6th Nov 2015
5
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These doctors and our NHS must be protected at all costs. It is without question the finest system in the world. If anyone is in doubt about this imagine the life of anyone you love being lost because your insurance wouldn't or couldn't pay out. If this Government is incapable of administrating and funding the NHS, they are at fault, not the doctors..If people will not pay into the fund through tax and other contributions and the government is so inept that it cannot find other avenues we will all at some time in our lives suffer the consequences and live to regret it.
jeanmark
20th Nov 2015
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suich
6th Nov 2015
4
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The government have made a big mistake. Junior doctors are the heart of the NHS. They have the best training in the UK but want to leave to work abroad where the pay, conditions and work life balance is better. We have a shortage of doctors already so why is it the government want to bring in these unfair and unsafe measures.
MOD
6th Nov 2015
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It's the only thing they can do unfortunately. It's so sad that the government can't appreciate the amount of work they do.
Kentish Maid
6th Nov 2015
3
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I don't normally agre with strikes but in this case I would, our doctors are under paid and over worked.
bobd
6th Nov 2015
4
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There are grossly over worked and under valued
Marley444
6th Nov 2015
3
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Yes, I would actually .. don't usually support striking but this time I am on the Junior doctor's side
Munsterlander
6th Nov 2015
5
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We need to look after our Doctors. What on earth is the matter with the governments-doctors, police, soldiers, teachers, nurses-look after them! If any other profession was working 90+ hours a week they would not accept it. Seems to me many MPs don't even work 40 hours a week!
Jo Kingham
6th Nov 2015
7
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Doctors provide such an incredibly important service and that should be recognised. They don't go into the profession for the money that's for sure but they should be afforded sensible pay and conditions so they can function properly. The incentives for doctors to go overseas these days is huge. Since Obama's health care reforms loads have moved to the USA where there are rewarded handsomely for their expertise. Sit down and talk to them, negotiate and come to a sensible solution - let's try and avoid the strikes - it's the last thing the NHS need
Jo Kingham
6th Nov 2015
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Marley444
6th Nov 2015
2
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Wilf
5th Nov 2015
6
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Enough is enough! How can junior doctors work 90 hours week after week-it just doesn't make sense. I understand Jeremy Hunt isn't listening to the Junior doctors and is just trying to bully his way to make them have new conditions. He should have a proper negotiation rather than just giving them a fait accompli
Marley444
6th Nov 2015
3
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90 hours a week is just ridiculous! That isn't good for anyones health!

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