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Would you welcome a ‘circuit-breaker’?

There is no united view on how to control Coronavirus and we are receiving so many mixed messages at the moment.

Whilst there is no silver bullet, other countries like New Zealand and some Asian countries seem to be managing more effectively than we are.

A circuit break is designed to break the trajectory of coronavirus cases rising.

A “circuit-breaker” lockdown could save thousands of lives by the end of the year, scientists advising the Government have calculated, as pressure mounts on Boris Johnson to impose stricter restrictions.

As the three-tier Covid alert level system comes into force across England, the Prime Minister is facing calls to go further by introducing a fortnight of nationwide curbs to bring the coronavirus resurgence under control.

Downing Street is understood to be keeping the idea on the table, after Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer said a two to three-week national lockdown over the October half term was needed to prevent a “sleepwalk into a long and bleak winter”.

A paper by members of the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) reportedly calculates that more than 7,000 lives could be saved if schools are closed and people are ordered to stay at home from October 24 for two weeks.

The Times said the modelling suggested that coronavirus deaths for the rest of the year could be reduced from 19,900 to 12,100, with hospital admissions cut from 132,400 to 66,500.

The paper, due to be published on Wednesday, is authored by Professor Graham Medley and other members of the Government’s Scientific Pandemic Influenza Group on Modelling – known as SPI-M.

They are said to note that there are “no good epidemiological reasons to delay the break”.

As the country seems unable to reach a consensus on how to control the virus, what are your views? How would you feel about another total lockdown? Would you welcome it? 

Would you welcome a 'circuit-breaker'??

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MollyUK
20th Oct 2020
2
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I don't think this virus will be overcome easily, but a circuit-breaker is worth a try. Everyone knows that if you give Joe & Josephine Public an inch, there'll be a high percentage who'll try to take a mile, and that's exactly what happened when the lockdown was eased. There's no easy answer when we try to achieve a balance between the economy and people's lives, but going mad and throwing parties is definitely not a great answer! Some people simply can't take responsible decisions for themselves, so it looks as though making mixing illegal is the only way that'll stand a chance of working.
MarionH92
19th Oct 2020
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Why did the government allow the universities to restart, it is since then we have the rates going ever higher.Young people are the ones now positive but it does not affect them much, but they are the ones transmitting the disease to others.Any fool would know, that you cannot stop these young people who are entering uni, to keep apart from each other it is obvious they soon started to mix and have parties....after all, they won't die of it.
As they are now having there lessons via the internet surely they could have done this from home,how can total lockdown work, when half the nation does what it likes.....why not let life continue using masks taking care but not closing everything down, that way we could build herd immunity.So far despite all the rules and regulations have not seemed to work, the only thing it has done is put thousands of people out of work, and now worried to death about the future if these rules aren't relaxed, the economy ....well will it ever recover?
Lionel
20th Oct 2020
2
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Well Marion, you got some very good points here.

I'm a firm supporter of another lockdown, but at the time believing it could be enforced if necessary. Very regrettably outside of Surfers, it has been brought to my attention successive governments have run down the Police Force and military to the point where they couldn't prevent the local deli opening. All of which brings me to the point of asking Boris, why the hell bother announcing another type of lockdown. It just ain't gonna happen.

I'm completely confused here. Who's running this country?The young folk or the elected government? But what government? It seems to me we haven't had an effective government since before the EU Referendum. That's almost five years ago. Our chap has been missing for five months, I suppose on full parliamentary salary, perks and now the pay rise as well. But back to governance.

On the one hand Boris announces a lockdown for Manchester and failed Labour leadership candidate Burnham now turned Mayor is bargaining with Boris for a billion pound hand out to comply. The Mayor of London is busy shutting down our first city all of his own accord.

Who the hell is in charge here? Perhaps more to the point, has that person got the clout to enforce a lockdown or, to quote a pal, even prevent a deli opening? Do you know, Marion, because I don't.

As of this evening it seems to me the bulk of the country is blissfully heading for herd immunity or a great national disaster. Right now I'm glad I live in the back woods away from most people so my wife and I don't have a choice. We just carry on as normal.
MollyUK
20th Oct 2020
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Good points, Marion, although I'm not sure I really understand what "herd immunity" is, exactly. I'm pretty sure it doesn't mean that everyone in society will become immune if we mix willy-nilly. Surely, for those who live pretty much outside the herd (like the old and sick), it won't help much. There are an awful lot of people who aren't mixing now (or can't mix) who will be dead meat if they socialise, even if herd immunity is achieved. And in order to get herd immunity, wouldn't that mean sacrificing a lot of people's lives in the hope that immunity will result from mixing? Who do we nominate to be sacrificed? That's a hard one.
viking
20th Oct 2020
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Agree absolutely, since two large Uni's in this county have returned to their usual rip roaring ways, we now have moved a notch in the lock up scoreboard. To add to the other reasons police have carried out dawn raids to break up the "county lines " which seem to run very close to these establishments.
Readers who have daughters/sons will of course write reams telling other readers here ..........absolutely not guilty ! My treasure ..etc.,etc. unfortunately there have been posted at least two incidents which beggar belief about "raves ". The Beadles are investigating.
jeanmark
5 days ago
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MarionH92, herd immunity works if the majority of a population has been vaccinated against a disease and thus protects those who are unable to be vaccinated for what ever reason or have a compromise or weaker immune system. At the moment scientists have not identified clearly if those who have been infected develop immunity, in which case herd immunity will not work. A virus has to have a host to allow it to spread, a 'circuit' breaker would help slow the infection and assist in controlling its spread. It will only work if everyone complies.
viking
19th Oct 2020
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Now the Welsh are on a complete lockdown [ or is this a circuit breaker ? ], we shall just have to see what happens next .
Valleyman
19th Oct 2020
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Drippy Drayford is calling it a "firebreak." LOL.
deniselee
19th Oct 2020
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It will only delay the inevitable which is what happened when we locked down in March. The virus is still out there we just locked ourselves away from it (and crippled the countries economy in doing so) It's here to stay and we just have to accept that. Protect those who want to be protected and let everyone get on with living.

It took many years to create a polio vaccine so it doesn't make sense that a miracle vaccine will be produced in the next few months. I for one would not go anywhere near a vaccine
Tr1sh
18th Oct 2020
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Until a vaccine becomes available all we can do is try and contain it. In the meantime, if a "circuit break" lessens infections then, it seems a small price to pay.
treveden
18th Oct 2020
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The so called "Circuit Breaker" seems such a simple idea. But wait a minute, think back to March when we Locked down the whole country.
4 MONTHS later! we didn't eradicate the virus, only managed to contain it to an acceptable level below R1.
It was inevitable the virus would surge again when the atmospheric condition was achieved.
We now have that low rate still in many areas of England. What this next lockdown is asking is to close all those areas. Why not close the areas that are causing the problem, don't punish the whole nation for the behaviour of others.
So to sum up my feelings on this , why should we believe a two week shutdown would be effective when the last last one took 4 months?
Kimmy57
18th Oct 2020
2
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Yes I strongly agree, everyone should be made to do this , not just the odd place, I am terrified, I had been sheilding for a very long time, untill I had to go back to work , and I was soo safe in my four walls ... some people just don’t take this seriously enough .....
Catton
17th Oct 2020
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I think that another lockdown may be the only answer. Not what we want but it may be the only way people get the message across. Rules are continually being broken as folk tweak rules to suit themselves. I think the only way to properly enforce them is to bring in the army as there are not enough police officers to deal with rule breakers and their other police duties. This worked in Italy, Spain etc.
People seem to accept deaths from covid as the norm now. I have heard of 3 deaths this week in different parts of the country of people I know, the youngest being 43, the eldest 61.
I want to be with my family for Christmas so lets have the lockdown now.
Finally, BJ should bring in the other party leaders to have a 'war cabinet' to fight this invisible enemy.
IsobelLegget
16th Oct 2020
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Put the whole country in lockdown, and enforce it.
ValC41
16th Oct 2020
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As the government did not act quickly enough to start with I am sure this virus will burn itself out.I am sure my husband had Covid in January.He was in hospital for a month and they did not know what it was at first.He had all the symptoms at the beginning and ended up in critical care for 11 days.Thank the lord he finally conquered it.He was not given much of a chance until they tried the 3rd antibiotic.He was 81 at the time
Saga lass
16th Oct 2020
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The Covid-19 restrictions are too little too late.
Never mind businesses losing out, what about the people’s lives and their health!
Short sharp shock always works.
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We are not going to beat this virus without a lockdown again. Should have been done a long time ago.
PamS316
16th Oct 2020
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Hard short lockdown but enforced. Close borders, travel restrictions, curfew. Tough love I’m afraid. BUT, if after short time after lifting all of the restrictions numbers rise again then I think we get on with our lives taking all of the basic precautions and accept that we have a risk, but it is up to the individual to assess their risk. With the chance of no vaccine this is an existence not a life and I want my life back.
Valleyman
16th Oct 2020
8
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I think the first thing to do is dump the phrase “circuit breaker.” It’s a full lockdown, not some new option. Nobody knows how things will pan out. Every scientist has a different opinion. But it does appear that lockdowns don’t work. Different countries have tried different approaches but we’ve all ended up in the same position. As far as I can see admissions/ventilator use/ deaths are not at the same level as the first wave. My family are involved in healthcare, and I’m dismayed how the NHS has deserted so many other patients to focus on Covid 19 (28th highest cause of death in the UK). My preference would be for life to go on with a sensible approach. Shield the vulnerable, wash hands, wear masks (correctly), keep your distance, but let us flourish and make money. If not there will not be an NHS, or benefits, not to mention the devastating effect on the nation’s mental health.
jeanmark
18th Oct 2020
1
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Valleyman, I think it is a little unfair to say the NHS deserted so many other patients, your family may well work in heath care but do they know how difficult it is to find extra beds where none exist, extra staff where none exist etc? I have two members of my family working at the front line, one in Covid-19 intensive care and often worked a 13 shift as there were no staff available. In such circumstances you have to try and cut the risk to other patients plus deploy staff where the greatest need is at the time. ITU usually requires 1:1 care, many kinds of surgery require ITU beds, and thus have to be canceled, many trauma patients still require immediate ITU care, ITU's within existing hospitals can not just be extended without cutting other services. That is why routine services were reduced, yes it is hard for those who are still waiting, but in our life time, there has never been such a situation that has stretched our already reduced resources to such an extent. Lets not blame the very people who are trying their hardest and many are suffering terribly as a result.
Valleyman
18th Oct 2020
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JeanMark, I would never criticise front line nurses. As I said, my family are nurses and I myself was a nurse for thirty years. Unfortunately front line nurses do not decide policy. Field hospitals were created then mothballed due to lack of use. Waiting lists for cancer treatment, just one example, have lengthened to unacceptable levels. It is sad to see the field hospitals being reopened now but that is due to the resurgence of the virus.
jeanmark
18th Oct 2020
2
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Well Valleyman we have something in common, I was nurse for 47 years. You are right, front line nurses do not decide policy, but it is usually senior front line staff that have to try and juggle beds, staff etc. and I have been there.

I am well aware of the problems with areas such as cancer treatments but I'm also aware they often then fall into the vulnerable section and are more at risk of contracting the virus if treatment has begun. I also agree the waiting list are unacceptable but trying to play catch up is very difficult when routine and emergency services have to continue.

A second wav of the virus was inevitable, the main problem is the way our government has handled the whole situation. You only have to read about Exercise Cygnus in October 2016, to see how they made the decision not to prepare because of cost. I accept this was a simulation for a Flu pandemic the the principles of management are the same.

They may now be too late, I understand the economy is vital but without people there will be no economy! A barrier of 2 weeks would hopefully give them time to catch up with the virus and hopefully make it easier to manage.
ruth29
16th Oct 2020
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I don't think people understand the seriousness of the virus and some will choose to do as they want and ignore the rules.
MollyUK
20th Oct 2020
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I think, as well as not understanding the seriousness of this virus, a lot of people are banking on a vaccine, or developing immunity to it. But it isn't a living organism, it's a globule of fat which, once inside the body, can cause the body to replicate the virus. It's not a bug which can reproduce itself - it's not alive, so it can't be killed! I don't think anything like it has been seen before, or at least not recorded. Either we let everyone take their chances (and don't whinge when a huge percentage of the population dies) or we have to face some very hard self-control. No two ways about it, really.
crazyknitter996
16th Oct 2020
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Nothing will work or help with the pandemic when you have people not following the rules. We all have to work together.
Yodama
16th Oct 2020
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It is impossible to manage this virus with lockdowns or circuit -breakers, ,without the huge amount of collateral damage that folllows.
Instead of the relentless statistics on corona virus, I would instead, like to see some statistics on people who are dying with heart attacks, cancer and other illnesses due to lack of treatment..
We are headed for a broken world if the current trend in businesses closing down and millions losing their jobs is not addressed.
I personally feel the genie can't be put back in the bottle, let business continue and trust in the population protecting themselves.

Be aware of banks crashing and bail-ins in the near future.
Valmo
16th Oct 2020
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The virus will return after the circuit breaker so why ruin the economy. It is our children’s and grandchildren’s futures we should be thinking about.
JenniferT57
15th Oct 2020
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Winter is only just starting and levels of infection are already rising alarmingly. What events to date seem to have shown is that there is a sizeable minority who not only will not take things seriously, but will also do anything they can to cock a snook at the authorities for imposing restrictions, witness the scenes in Liverpool last night and the raves during lockdown. Therefore, as certain individuals cannot be trusted to act responsibly, for the good of everyone, I believe another total lockdown to get the numbers down is absolutely necessary. Otherwise, no way will hospitals be able to cope, far less get on top of other treatments that had to take a back seat during the first wave.

I hope, though, that the Government will learn from the last time that they were far too naive in hoping people would all abide by their recommendations. I hope, therefore, that the current three-tier system will be in place for as long as is necessary - years even - after the next lockdown is eased, so that any area that still poses an issue can very speedily (which is the key) have further restrictions imposed.

I understand the Chancellor’s fear of the economy collapsing because of lockdown, but a full-blown second wave would also decimate it and the uncertainty of when the next lockdown will happen will cause shares to plummet anyway. People worried about eating out, going round shops unless absolutely necessary etc, will also seriously damage businesses, maybe permanently, maybe more than a total lockdown because they will feel they have to be open in case of customers who will not come in numbers sufficient to cover the businesses’ costs
Maggiefaulkner
15th Oct 2020
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I have said 'no' to a circuit breaker as all avenues taken so far seem to have left certain segments of society with no choice but to lock themselves away, frightened of life itself; whilst those spreading the virus continue with their lives as though nothing is happening. Surely, the vulnerable are taking the steps they need to to ensure their own safety, and have the sense to continue to do so? My gut feeling is that the lockdown will come again, some people will panic, some will ignore it and we will all suffer in some way or another. My heart goes out to people whose family members are, in essence, being held hostage in care homes, with their dementia meaning they do not understand what is happening, and why they never have any visitors. This is hard on all concerned - if people can still go to a pub, which now has to be termed a 'restaurant' why can't children see their parents in care homes, when they would take all the care needed to safeguard their welfare. Unfortunately, there does not seem to be one answer as to how to control the virus, as even New Zealand and Australia have found that as soon as tough measures are loosened, it rears its ugly head. So, what can we do, other than be sensible and try to help those who really need it. Good luck everyone.
ChristineK72
14th Oct 2020
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If everyone had observed the original rules of lockdown it would not be necessary now Will it be any different this time
Wilf
14th Oct 2020
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Agreed-the problem in GB is everyone has their own opinion and the government are just not tough...or clear enough!
crazyknitter996
16th Oct 2020
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Agree totally with your statement!
wakefijr
14th Oct 2020
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I can’t see what the benefit will be? Lockdowns have not worked as it doesn’t get rid of the virus just delays the effects which is all well and good until you factor in the devastation to people’s livelihoods, the suffering from cancelled operations and the future deaths (which could be considerable) that will be caused due to diagnosis and treatment being delayed or not even happening. Think there needs to be a more strategic look at how we protect the most vulnerable whilst trying to restore “normal” life.
Lionel
14th Oct 2020
3
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Let's stop beggaring around. If there's to be another lockdown then shut down the entire country, Scotland and Wales included.

Shut all ports of entry/exit, railway termini, airports, in fact just everything. No one moves from their home unless they have a damned good reason for doing so.

Shut universities, schools everything except essential services. Enforce a no movements law and enforce it rigidly.

The last lockdown of a hundred and something days penalised the elderly and infirm; whoever heard of quarantining the healthy? It's the sick usually shut down. This time, everyone.

If we don't take drastic action the country will be pussy-footing around for years and I for one am fed up with incompetence in high places.
Wilf
14th Oct 2020
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I totally agree with you Lionel-enough said
Lionel
14th Oct 2020
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Wilf, I accept your enough said, but please allow me to give a reason for my concern.

According to the many sources I've read these last months concerning Spanish 'Flu it was the second wave that did the most damage. It killed millions in Europe and the States.

I've been banging on about this for months - beware the second wave, but nobody has taken me up on it. Now it is a reality.

If this second wave follows the pattern of Spanish 'Flu it begins with a seemingly less harmful virus but quickly mutates during the early winter months. As far as I can find out we're not prepared for this second more deadly wave; we're still talking about vaccinating against the milder first wave.

Wilf, if the record repeats itself there's some of on here today who won't be here at Christmas.

After these months of research I'm now calling it as it is.
Wilf
14th Oct 2020
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I agree with you Lionel. The Spanish Flu killed millions. I understand about the economy but I think the only way out of this is a total lockdown. Boris would actually be respected. I am now hearing of a few of our friends who are getting it so it's a real concern.
Lionel
14th Oct 2020
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I think you know me by now Wilf, I'm not an alarmist, nor am I a conspiracy theorist. I have patiently and painstakingly researched the Spanish 'Flu for months believing there is more to Covid than meets the eye. I've just begun to enter into the mistakes made a hundred years ago. These mistakes shouldn't have happened as Europe and Britain had Russian 'Flu in the 1890's. The lessons were there to be learned. But we're Brits and didn't learn.

People are making the same mistakes today: we're OK, we survived Covid, sure you're OK today ... but tomorrow? It reads like the let's eat drink and be merry syndrome. The last part of that verse from the Bible might just be correct - for tomorrow we die.

Here in East Anglia the rate of infection is rising more rapidly than anywhere else in the country. Yes, I'm worried, of course I am I've a chronically sick wife to protect. But we have spent the summer preparing for this outcome.

Wilf, if Covid follows the pattern of Spanish 'Flu - and notice here no one in the press or so-called experts have mentioned this - then there will be no economy anywhere to worry about. A hundred years ago 50+ million died mostly Americans either in the States or coming to Europe as soldiers. Fifty million. That means no economy. The Good Life seems quite palatable in that event.

I may be wrong Wilf, I truly hope I am. If Covid = Spanish 'Flu then we're all in more trouble than we can imagine today.
Wilf
14th Oct 2020
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Yes I agree Lionel worrying times and at the end of the day no end in sight. We should learn from the past but few seem to. Lets just hope modern science will develop the vaccine but from what I read we are talking later next year for populations to be fully vaccinated/maybe even 2022
Lionel
14th Oct 2020
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Wilf, let's not spend our days in hope of magic bullet. If it happens it happens.

I believe our best hope is to learn from the past, particularly their mistakes. Our best defence today? Share what we know among each other; on doorsteps, on Surfer's wherever and however. That's why I've spoken out tonight.

The upshot of months of research is that we're in trouble as a people. I don't say that lightly, no, but with a heavy heart. Right now this is a phony war, the like of which are parents, your folks, will remember. But stand by ...

It was said so long ago a prophet has no honour in his own land. I expect to be ridiculed for my thoughts.
Wilf
15th Oct 2020
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I don't think you would be ridiculed at all Lionel on the contrary I think you are absolutely right. As I said yesterday we do not seem to learn from history. This virus is not going away in the short term so drastic measures are needed and fast. The likes of South Korea, China and New Zealand should be examples to us with the use of technology, compliance to do the right thing by the population and a tough line by the governments.
JE
15th Oct 2020
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Well said Lionel, I like a person who calls a spade a spade!
Lionel
15th Oct 2020
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Thank you JE. I fear if our leaders don't wake up and face facts and the lessons of history rather than science (actually, that word derives from the Greek word gnosis which means knowledge) we'll be importing every spade China can make.

And knowledge is one thing in short supply in these times.
Happy Hippie
14th Oct 2020
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If it were not for the NHS being closed for business and being selective in who gets treatment, i would have said no, and just reinforce the law and penalties for not following rules and advice, that would slow it as much as anything, But given that there is a minority who feel they can do as they please, and spread it around, there may at some point be no choice 🙁
Wilf
15th Oct 2020
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Maybe we need to be tougher with the minority who do flout the rules?
wplenderleith
14th Oct 2020
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This is a virus and as such it will be here for a while. The last lockdown only delayed things, why try the same again. My area is in a circuit break at present and it is damaging health and the economy. The town I live in has no outbreaks of the virus but we must suffer.
Singingpink
14th Oct 2020
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No, only lockdowns in areas where the numbers are rising. Don’t penalise shops, restaurants and schools who are behaving.
JE
15th Oct 2020
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Yes, but lots of people and organisations are ‘behaving’ in areas where the numbers are rising too. Some of this is brought about by people travelling from the higher infected areas so spreading the virus around.. Perhaps the time has now come for a stricter nationwide approach and apply a circuit breaker and lockdown everybody and everything.
ChrisD45
14th Oct 2020
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I think a lockdown is needed but unlike most people I think it needs to be wait for it
Lockdown till the new year or till the infection rate is down to single figures.
It may seem harsh but I think it needs to be all but gone before we try to get back to some form of normality
Wilf
14th Oct 2020
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Yes we should have a circuit breaker..I would say a month-total lockdown and also and most important get testing at the airports and ensure everyone is using the app. Unless we get drastic measures and pretty quickly this virus is just going to run on a rampage. If countries like South Korea can manage it why can't we?
ChrisD45
14th Oct 2020
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In full agreement with you
MrsPat
14th Oct 2020
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Boris needs to get a grip on this. I agree with a so called circuit breaker. Let's act now though.
Munsterlander
14th Oct 2020
5
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We are an Island and so should be able to stop the virus easier than other countries. Look at how well New Zealand have done.
HappyHippie
14th Oct 2020
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I agree with you, I said this right from the start, lock the country down, no one in no one out... Boris really need to step up and get tough, for goodness sake people are dying!!!!!

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