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How confident do you feel that the Government can deliver Brexit to the benefit of the country?

Theresa May has lost two senior Cabinet ministers within the space of a day, with the resignations of Boris Johnson and David Davis

Boris Johnson has dramatically quit as foreign secretary, complaining that Theresa May’s plan for Brexit would leave the UK a “colony” of the European Union.

In a scathing resignation letter to the Prime Minister, Mr Johnson said that, under her leadership, the UK was “heading for a semi-Brexit”, with the dream of an outward-looking global Britain “dying, suffocated by needless self-doubt”.

Mr Johnson’s shock departure was the second resignation of a Cabinet “big beast” in less than 24 hours, after Brexit secretary David Davis walked out late on Sunday.

Both Mr Johnson and Mr Davis had signed up on Friday to Mrs May’s blueprint for Brexit at an all-day summit at Chequers which the Prime Minister believed had secured Cabinet unity behind her proposals.

But her administration was thrown into disarray within 48 hours, as first Mr Davis and then Mr Johnson said that they could not commit themselves to promote the plans under the doctrine of collective responsibility.

Theresa May will fight any attempt to unseat her through a vote of no confidence by Conservative MPs, Downing Street has said.

What are your views?  How do these latest developments make you feel? If you could vote again in a referendum, would you vote the same way you did? Who do you think is capable of delivering the Brexit you were hoping for?

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jorid
9 hours ago
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O.M.G lets hope it was not (fake news) ha ha , the new Brexit man reckons unless the EU pull their finger out we will not pay an exit fee (millions) Now if that does not start EU playing fair then we will walk-----a few other countries will follow suit, this is what EU does not want.
Could it be a glimmer of light at the end of this 2year long tunnel.??
Have a good Sunday all x
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ColinM1
10 hours ago
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I seem to have touched a raw nerve when you resort to unsubstantiated personal abuse .Learn , like some of your co respondents , to answer with logic and reason .You seem unable to accept the fact that the Brexit argument is deeply flawed and recent happenings have confirmed clearly that your so called “ democratic “ referendum was certainly not and manipulated by undisclosed “ black money “ . Remember the European Parliament is directly elected , the Council of the EU is directly elected, the European Council is directly elected ,The European Commission is elected by the European Parliament and the Council of the EU . Compare this with the undemocratic Westminster setup manipulated by a bunch of gangsters ! Repent - all is not yet lost !
viking
11 minutes ago
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Sorry to contradict you Colin M1 but the president of the EEC was NOT elected. He was slid into power on the "old boys network".
Yet once again the photographs to-day show who this country has to deal with in Europe and JC J in particular.
How would you feel if this country had a leader [either party] who behaved in such a manner.
viking
1 days ago
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No M1colin you have not replied to my earlier post about federalisation and the whitepaper published by the Junta, and the freedom of information not applying to those on the EEC gravy train, and what will happen to those who have chosen to remain !!
fizzywiner
2 days ago
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We pay politicians to lead and advise for the good of the country. They are doing neither and are not even being held to account for blatant and repeated lies, especially concerning the referendum. It seems to me that the 1% with most money now pulls the strings of a large majority of politicians of both major parties in parliament.....and do so with a view to making themselves even richer and more powerful. So called 'brexit' is just a manifestation of this imbalance.
steve263
2 days ago
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It's an absolute disaster from start to finish. The brexit vote was full of lies from the very start on both sides. David Cameron was scared s***less of Farage the bloody weasel, and Boris Johnson told so many lies it's a wonder his nose is not a foot long. We need a fresh vote without all the lies that were put out.
jorid
1 days ago
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Sorry Steve i did not need the info dished out before vote. I had watched over a number of years the EU getting bigger and too big truly.
Camron did try to update the EU to make it fairer but they would not have it, hence the vote.
The fors and against each had their own spin on what to do but the history of the EU did it for me, i had seen that with my own eyes.
ColinM1
4 days ago
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Now that the Brexit crooks have fallen on their faces , there must be no delay in in declaring the fiddled Referendum null and void . People have learned their lesson and Brexit should be consigned forthwith to the dustbin of history !
PercyVere
4 days ago
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Colin, your side lost a democratically held referendum. Suck it up, join us and help make Britain great again.
ColinM1
3 days ago
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Democratic??? Afraid not - total fiasco and manipulated by right wing crooks ! We voted in Scotland overwhelmingly for REMAIN with every County saying YES . May and her cronies have not listened to the people !
Hank999
3 days ago
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Scotish say no more
PercyVere
3 days ago
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I realised that as soon as I read his latest reply. I expect he voted for the Ginger Minger too, in the hope they'll win independence in the unlikely event of a 2nd neverendum on the subject - only to be taken back into the "surfdom" of the EU by her and her band of loonies.
ColinM1
3 days ago
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Oops a “ democratically held referendum “? Only the most one eyed Brexiteer could claim that ! Be honest - it was the biggest example of ” to hell with the rules we have plenty of lolly we don’t need to declare” . Interestingly I don’t see one attempt in these postings to answer my details posted earlier . Repent ! All will be forgiven !
ColinM1
2 days ago
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Nuff Said !!!Blind bats and they still argue away !! LOL
Tory MP Philip Davies has submitted a letter of no confidence in Theresa May to the chair of the backbench 1922 Committee, saying he has “lost trust” in her ability to deliver the EU referendum result.In correspondence with his constituents, the MP for Shipley said the prime minister’s Chequers plan for Brexit is “unacceptable” and failure to deliver Brexit could end with Jeremy Corbyn as prime minister “This has not been an easy decision and I have agonised over it, but I know in my heart of hearts it is the right decision,” Mr Davies said.
ColinM1
2 days ago
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I know people like some of the responders on this web page ! . They read the Express and Daily Mail. They were born and brought up in a council house but now they are "much better than that". Shallow doesn't even begin to describe them.
Hank999
2 days ago
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Colin - Boy you are way of the mark with me, Hank
PercyVere
2 days ago
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Ditto.

Hank, I really don't think there's any point in trying to discuss anything with Colin any further. Do you?
Hank999
2 days ago
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PercyVere A Brexit discussions like a merry-go-round, You get off at the same place you got on and no one has changed their mind. No one has even mentioned the cost of a second referendum unless the Scots are willing to pay for it. Now there's a good idea.
ColinM1
2 days ago
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May's Brexit proposals have been two years in the making. They were killed off in Brussels within eight minutes
Does it, maybe, kind of feel like the risk that was taken with our children and our children’s children’s futures might not be paying off?
ColinM1
2 days ago
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Kinda hot in the boiler house !! Haven't even started on Dark Money !!
ColinM1
2 days ago
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Do I have this right: May spent two years hunting for a plan, finally settled on a piss poor one that was unacceptable to EU, was bullied by ERG into making it even less acceptable and is now saying the EU need to accept a shambles they have consistently insisted is unacceptable?
ColinM1
1 days ago
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I still can't see Jacob Rees-Mogg on TV without remembering he was the Tories' general election candidate for Glenrothes in 1997 and that I witnessed him becoming flustered outside the bus station because some 12-year-olds told him John Major was a 'big fanny'.
ColinM1
1 days ago
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You are surely not THE Hank the Yank ???
ColinM1
1 days ago
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Tough at the top sunshine !
ColinM1
1 days ago
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Hi Nicola Happy birthday to you and all the team in Holyrood ! Appreciate your fantastic efforts and much appreciated - unlike the somewhat confused crowd in the southern airts ! xx
Hank999
1 days ago
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No, my roots are well and truly in the UK. A beautiful country although we do have some wild tribes in the far north
Hank999
1 days ago
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Happy Birthday - Let's hope age brings wisdom.
Hank999
1 days ago
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No Colin the one your thinking of is Scottish mind you ours has lost her way so perhaps they are related
ColinM1
1 days ago
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Is fearr liom ó Albain , Hank !
Hank999
1 days ago
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Colin, I translated that as you were playing with your sporran - not interested.
jorid
1 days ago
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Colin did you know when you ride the same horse day after day the horse gets tired and throws you OR you end up with sore -----were your brains are meant to be.
We all up to now that is have given our reasons for vote but you have ill mannered with your voice i do have buttons in my sewing tin ha ha
Have a good day Colin and chill
PercyVere
1 days ago
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They were killed off by Barnier and his cronies, not the EU. Let's wait and see what happens over the summer months. I would suggest he's looking for a few more €Billion and then he'll say, "Yep, all is fine. Let's crack on with it."
ColinM1
22 hours ago
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ColinM1
35 minutes ago
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Sorry guys been so busy enjoying beautiful weather in God’s country but appreciate the messages ! Have you seen the remarks of the latest Brexit plonker ? Even the horrendous right wing Mail on Sunday seems to have seen the light this week end ! Getting better !!

“Raab on the report that found Vote Leave guilty of breaking the law and overspending in violation of Venice Commission guidelines - "I wasn't part of that" except he was, he was its Campaign Director who now wants to 'respect the law' and 'take back control' of it by ignoring it.”
Hank999
9 minutes ago
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Colin, As I said, this whole discussion is like a roundabout you get off where you get on and nobody changes their view, so what is the point. One thing Colin you have convinced me that I was right to vote 'leave' and I believe now we would be better off if Scotland was separate from the UK and we had a hard border.
VeraS
4 days ago
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Mrs May has not got backbone to stand up to Europe We should have been out by now
Alicia
5 days ago
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Let us get out of the EU now and done with as that is what we voted for.
ColinM1
5 days ago
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Vote Leave has been fined £61,000 and reported to the police by the Electoral Commission, after the watchdog found “significant evidence” of coordination with another campaign group, BeLeave.
The watchdog said it had imposed punitive fines on Vote Leave because it said the group had refused to cooperate fully with its investigation and declined to be interviewed. Its former chief executive, Matthew Elliott, had previously alleged it was the Electoral Commission that had refused to cooperate.
PercyVere
5 days ago
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How on earth can you go on about the money which the leave campaign spent when David Cameron et al spent £9million alone on leaflets trying to convince us to remain in the EU?

These remainers have tried every dirty trick in the book to override the majority DEMOCRATICALLY arrived at decision, just because they think their opinion is more important, well it isn't.
ColinM1
4 days ago
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The Commons is now proposed to sit for only 10 days between now and October 8. At risk of stating the obvious this is a Government sending MPs away to prevent humiliation, and hang the interests of the country


The whole Westminster set up is becoming unworkable . " The end is nigh " !
ColinM1
4 days ago
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The UK govt has now sided against its own Dec. 2017 backstop to save itself from the Brexiteers. Essentially the fragile and hard-won Good Friday Agreement has been unilaterally abandoned without any local consultation. It could be a new watershed in British-Irish history.
Hank999
3 days ago
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PVere the gentleman is Scottish and they only see as far as the border
PercyVere
3 days ago
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Thanks Hank. I realised that as soon as I read his latest reply. I expect he voted for the Ginger Minger too, in the hope they'll win independence in the unlikely event of a 2nd neverendum on the subject - only to be taken back into the "surfdom" of the EU by her and her band of loonies.
ColinM1
2 days ago
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Charles Tannock , Tory MEP for London slates the Brexiteers in the New Statesman of 19th July :

“Im a Tory MEP , hardline Brexiteers in my party are destroying the British Union
English nationalists have made it clear that they will crush anything in their path – including peace in Northern Ireland The fact is that the Brexiteers don’t really care about the union. They are English nationalists whose lifelong ambition is to sever any links between the England and the EU and they’ll destroy anything in their path, including peace in Northern Ireland, to get it.
ARG
5 days ago
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There are no benefits to be had.
PercyVere
5 days ago
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No benefits?

What about the £20Bn we have to send to the EU for the supposedly free tree? (OK, we get about £8Bn back but we are TOLD where it has to be spent.)

What about being in control of our own fishing grounds?

What about being in control of our own laws without interference from the ECJ?
PercyVere
5 days ago
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Sorry - typo. free tree should read free trade.
PercyVere
6 days ago
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After much thought and lost sleep these last few days, I've come to the conclusion that we would be much better off with no deal at all, reverting to the WTO's rule book.

If that means there will be a border between NI and the Republic, let the EU/Republic build and man it. We don't have to lift a finger. A no deal won't affect trade like the purveyors of Project Fear would have you believe, nor would the City of London be overly affected. As for the flights ban/delays at ports - more shed-loads of BS.
ColinM1
5 days ago
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Northern Ireland has no functioning Assembly at present . The DUP are subsidised lap dogs to Mrs May's incompetent troop . Absolute disgrace and NI is a veritable colony and not a democratic part of a so called "Union " !
ColinM1
15th Jul 2018
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Annul the referendum result, set it aside, revoke the notification of section 50, apologise to the EU and ask if we can rejoin.
viking
6 days ago
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Joking of course !!!
Obviously you did not see the state of Juncker as in the Metro newspaper !!
Not fit for purpose as is the EEC.
ColinM1
6 days ago
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Totally irrelevant to the discussion . More to the point is today’s news: “
Theresa May’s hopes of winning support for her Brexit compromise have been dealt a huge blow as Justine Greening has become the first senior Conservative to support calls for a second referendum
The start of the inevitable tide against the most stupid and undemocratic move by the weakest , most inept bunch of chancers we have seen since Thatcher !
viking
5 days ago
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So John Claud Juncker is irrelevant ?? Really ?? He heads up that bunch of blockheads in Brussels, ultimately the unelected Mr J has more clout than you might imagine.
Previous remarks remain- buy a back copy of Metro !!
scandiman
14th Jul 2018
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Mrs. May went into the negotiations as a weakling. Faced with an intransigent EU she has caved in. We have learned nothing from our wars with the Dutch, Spanish, French and Germans. They don’t do compromise. Only a politician would have gotten us into this mess. No more compromise. Full Brexit.
viking
14th Jul 2018
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Talking of wars Scandi, Germany lost two world wars at the hands of us and our allies Now it is their turn "to get our revenge on those Englanders and punish them"
We should be very worried if the final document to leave has to be signed in a railway carriage in a siding, at the insistance of Claude Junker and others from the Junta.
Roof Top Crow
6 days ago
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What would that achieve? ?
Roof Top Crow
6 days ago
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Please explain what will happen to our economy if we go full Brexit.
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As full members of the EU, we have 50 trade agreements. If we go Full Brexit we will have none.
BrianJ87
13th Jul 2018
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Theresa May has lead us all along to trust her with Brexit. We were to leave the single market, leave the Customs Union , take control of our borders, laws and finances. We were also to be free to make trade deals with countries. Or on the EU. She will say that the current White Paper includes all this , but all are watered down versions. I believe this was her attention all along it was always going to be her version and nobody else could contribute. The country has been complaetely let down and now the only answer is to push for a no deal.
viking
13th Jul 2018
6
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Companies that backed the Remainers tend to be lazy firms who have enjoyed 40 years of a captive euromarket which has involved little maintainance and upkeep. Now that the whole of the rest of the world will be opened up with markets that will dwarf the EEC, it will need more expertise and additional expense to gain entrance to these markets. So basically they wish to remain as is, and not try to secure new world markets, which might infringe on profit margins [and bonuses] in the short term.
However they should feel confident of a benificial exit when they join the majority of this country who voted to leave the unscrupulous EEC.
Roof Top Crow
6 days ago
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Can you supply any evidence that companies that have traded successfully and profitably within the EU are lazy? And does this also apply to businesses in the other 27 member countries?
viking
6 days ago
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I will not release details of the firms that have this view, but I can vouch for their behaviour and authenticity.
It does most definately does apply to firms within the EU as they also are locked into the straight jacket of the Junta's rulings.
dancingcruiser
12th Jul 2018
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I do not blame May for the shambles that leaving the EU has become. Instead all of the problems are being caused by politicians, big business and the rich luvvies, that are all trying to subvert democracy. These people could not care less if staying in the rotten corrupt EU meant that within a few years there will be massive unemployment, and a huge increase in poverty.

By continually trying to stop Brexit, they are allowing the EU to virtually hold the UK to ransom.

Democracy, isn't that the ideology that we as a nation aspired to, long gone in this new UK, but military force is used to try and instill this on other nations.

Personally I do not think the UK will leave the EU in the way that voters thought we would. There are too many rich people with vested interests to stay bound to Europe, and jump on the gravy train that is there for the few.
Lionel
12th Jul 2018
2
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Yeeeeeessss!

At last!
ColinM1
12th Jul 2018
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May lost all political credibility when she and her cronies pumped money into the insidious DUP and Arlene Foster .They are a real bunch of biased political nonentities . She intruded into Scotland to speak to her semi literate buddies in the Orange Lodge.- These are the total epitome of fascist , pseudo military nonentities ! Today the 12 th of July they celbrate the Battle of the Boyne when a sexually disorientated plonker known as King Billy( William 3 ) sat on a white horse and did little else !
Lionel
12th Jul 2018
1
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Colin, instead of pouring out your vitriol in sniping attacks here and there why not be a real man, a genuine male, and engage in full strength head on debate, leaving behind your personal prejudices and using your head.

If you are truly possessed of a monumental intellect, as your profile would indicate, then publicly demonstrate it.

Face down the furies and stand.
ColinM1
13th Jul 2018
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Lionel , noted your somewhat chauvinistic response to my attack on Arlene Foster , the DUP and the Orange Lodge ! I as an individual believe in equal rights between men and women - you seem to be on a somewhat different wavelength .That is your choice . The fact I write books and and have taught a fascinating cross section of interesting people over the years was my choice . Intellect is not a prerequisite of human understanding .

Why did I make such a vitriolic attack on the Orange Lodge ? As someone born , brought up and educated in the West of Scotland my experience of their sectarian behaviour extends over more than a few decades . As an 18 year old student in Glasgow I was assaulted by their “ heavies “ as I attempted to cross the street rushing to catch a train connection . Last week on the anniversary of the Boyne an Orange Parade deliberately passed a Catholic Church with this result :

Canon Tom White said 'out of control' bigots spat at him while one tried to hit him with a baton as his elderly parishioners left mass at St Alphonsus’ Church in Glasgow.

Your friend Mrs Foster of the DUP made a special trip to this airt to address the faithful . Her theme ? We should build a bridge connecting Northern Ireland with Scotland ! Do not think so . Concentrate in getting a political compromise back home . This is the group of people Mrs May backs politically and financially !

Life , dear Lionel, aint what certain people think .
jorid
13th Jul 2018
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Life from you AND i when 18 is different now colin. The troubles, the extremes in Ireland anyway are over but voices like yours stirs things up----well i hope they are seen for what they are.
Have a good day
ColinM1
13th Jul 2018
1
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Hi Jorid Thanks for responding . Let me start at the end ( which is kind of- dare I say it - Irish ! ) Yes I have had a good day - done the chores - renewed my wife’s library books - walked wee Bo to the Deil’s Canyon - and written a few pages of my local history Blog . So far so good !

Not sure where you live and indeed how well you are acquainted with Ireland . With respect - for you to say “ I stir it up” is quite naive . I worked for an Irish Government Agency for a number of years - my great gran was a “ planter “ - Northern Irish Protestant - I read a lesson in a Catholic Church in Dublin at a relative's wedding some years ago - my “ best buddy “ hails from Derry and we enjoy the “ craik “ as Ireland win yet again at Murrayfield ! I KNOW the situation and that is why I wrote as I did . God bless - Colin ( elderly Scots Internationalist )
Lionel
13th Jul 2018
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Colin, I do so thank you for such an impassioned post. Very reasonable. I now understand some of your complexities.

As far as academic qualifications are concerned I mostly choose not to parade mine. It does so alienate one, don't you think? But, just for comparison, I have a first in Geology from London, spent years in agriculture in England, taught that in Eire, Ulster and the Czech Republic. Taught, not as in academic but in hands on doing the job.

I too know about racial or sectarian violence. I bear the scars. I'm a Jewish lad, now a Christian Jew, so lessons in violence and racial rage, well, I could teach that too! But I choose not to propagate violence. The peaceable way of Jesus is worth the suffering which can sometimes accompany it.

Having lived in Ulster 30 years ago I do know about the Orange Order, and the siblings it has spawned. That said, we come from a similar point of view.

Oh, yes, allow me to say I am no friend of Arlene Foster, nor the DUP or any other society which propagates violence and division. I've heard Ian Paisley in his own church and recoiled in horror.

But I do not understand that we should expose the last vestiges of our masculinity in tirades against people. Stand our ground, yes of course, make a point in the face of argument, yes again, But these protests must be in the measure of our increasing years, and hopefully wisdom.

The Irish question has sadly lingered since the Battle of the Boyne, three hundred years ago. Nothing we, at our age, may say or do will influence that sectarianism that is so deeply embedded, yes, I believe the Irish actually enjoy their differences.

Brexit, well, you and I will never be reconciled in that matter. But I do so wish people would quote sources of information and polls. That would make matters so much more transparent don't you think?

Thank you again for your most reasonable post. I look forward to a lively exchange between is.
jorid
14th Jul 2018
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Well Colin you certainly did your chores okay and glad you had a good day.
All i was saying spouting things from the past does no good for the future. the past in a lot of cases was a destroying past in Ireland as well as other places too. Hopefully we ALL have moved on from past mistakes.
Sadely i watch around the world and mistakes are still being made. A lot of elderly people i know debate about mistakes and do not carry them on to the future.
Have another good day Colin when we get older and have lived through mistakes i reckon we deserve peace for the future our future that is.
ColinM1
14th Jul 2018
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Thanks Jorid for your response which is appreciated Colin
ColinM1
14th Jul 2018
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Thanks Lionel for your response - appreciated Colin
Lionel
14th Jul 2018
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Colin, my step grandson hung himself last evening. I'll pick up the threads when I can.
ColinM1
15th Jul 2018
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So sorry Lionel my condolences.
ArchieUK
12th Jul 2018
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Many years ago we voted not , . to to join thr EU but to join the common market, since then our politicions, ove both parties have led us down the garden path for their own political ways.
Some of us wanted to go back to our old country, where our own politicions made the rules on many items, not to be ruled by a un demotratic system based in a foreign country.
Lionel
12th Jul 2018
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Archie, our old country, a nation-state is exactly what the EU has been tying to demolish by massive immigration across the entirety of Europe. This influx of disparate peoples, some of whom will become useful citizens I believe, have no loyalty to any state but to their religion.

Piece by almost invisible piece Englishness, Frenchness etc., is being undermined. My own step grand children in their mid teens relate to the EU and not Whitehall, they're Europeans but not Brits.

I too would want to see a return to nation-statehood in my lifetime. That doesn't cause wars, no, it is the military industrial complex in many different nations who do that and for personal gain. It matters little to them 50 million people died in WW2, but the profit they made in that ugly process matters everything to them.

Individual nation state, with their own peoples and cultures, currency and language are a strength to Europe. The EU, the Enforcers, are the weakness from which I hope we make an escape.
Jenninora
12th Jul 2018
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Approximately two years ago,around the time of the Brexit referendum, threads on Silver Surfer were well discussed. Some of you will recall some of the comments back then.

I read intently some of the strong opinions.
I agreed with subscribers that the way forward in a break from Europe was going to be tough, really tough.

A long winding road.

Sticks and stones. Debris all the way.

I cannot see as yet how the way will be concluded with everyone’ satisfaction.

It has taken many, many years to knit the European Union as we see it.
Unraveling will take time and its toll.
Too much has been given away. For whatever end. And now the unhappiness.

Our history is littered with what ifs and buts.

This time again, winners and losers. Just as before so much in life is changing. Population movement is one change.
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The people again, are asked to be patient.

Living with the outcome will be for everyone to judge.

I have come this far and I have trust and faith that I will get to my end and those after me will trust and have faith to do and say what they think is right.

There it is!!!

We will rumble on

Trust, faith and less negativity!!
JackieG8
11th Jul 2018
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What a mess. Pity the details and machinations thereof were not spelled out in detail before the referendum took place. However, so much criticism of Mrs May is unfair as who amongst you could do better? You cannot just walk out and bang the door behind your. That’s just a silly comment and so inconsiderate to many caught up in trying to make sense of an almost impossible situation that will take years more to finalize. Rather than be sorry to see Britain go, consider that the EU just might be glad to see their back. Sure, the EU has problems, but leaving is not the answer. As Macron said, he grew up near Amiens, surrounded by those cemeteries and memorials everywhere he looked.....there has been no WWIII in Europe since and that is worth something surely? ‘No man is an island’ as John Donne said and that could apply to islands too. Just don’t let Farage, and Bustling Boris be too taken in by their new best friend Donnie Trumpet!
viking
12th Jul 2018
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Interesting comment ,but you may remember Dave our then PM went to Brussels with a plan for some reforms of the EU, but was refused any sort of talk or meeting on the subject. He was sent home with a flea in his ear, and to tweak the bulldogs nose, just does not work with this country. Hence the battle with the junta in the EU.
viking
11th Jul 2018
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Just think how frustrating it will be for Frau M and the unelected Schnapps drinker, to see the Great British cash cow disappear over the horizon shortly.
jorid
12th Jul 2018
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viking both your comments hit the nail on the head.
jorid
11th Jul 2018
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Well the consenses seem to be its a mess, a joke, and that is after 2 years. Walk i say just pull out, a lot of countries are just watching how we fair as the want out too. The EU is so frightened of that too, hence there reluctance to give way on anything
mrp
11th Jul 2018
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No versión of Brexit will benefit the UK it may satisfy the isolationism so rife around the country but it is a delusion to believe the country will benefit, the harder the Brexit the more dire the consequences of job losses, lower revenues and freedoms we enjoy riget now
jorid
11th Jul 2018
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sorry there is a big wide world out there to trade with
Yodama
11th Jul 2018
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Quite right jorid, freedom to go and trade with whomesoever we wish to.
mrp
11th Jul 2018
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jorid
13th Jul 2018
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sorry not without EU restrictions
JackieG8
13th Jul 2018
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Be careful you don’t buy north or South American beef which may be full of hormones. Chickens from who knows where with who knows what fed up on GM grains......GM grain too, esp soy.
viking
11th Jul 2018
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Looking through your mails on this matter, it seems nearly all of us realise what the EU game is. Yes they really think that it is a game to agree on nothing and to demand everything from those "crazy brits".
The rest of the EU member states are bullied into submission by the Germans who don't forget are the real bankers keeping the whole rotten ship afloat. See my previous rant on the possible collapse of the EU if we leave.
JackieG8
13th Jul 2018
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You sound like Donald Trump who obviously wants to destroy the EU..........wouldn’t do to have anywhere in competition with HIS un-United American States. Be careful, very careful, you just might get what you wish for and be ruled by someone similar God help us all.
Margaret Hart
10th Jul 2018
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As of today I strongly believe that the summer recess of Parliament should be cancelled until thismatter is sorted out.
Mrs May can no longer smile or lie her way out of this it has to be sorted properly as it was voted for. I was a strong supporter of leaving Europe but not at any cost it should be sorted correctly like adults not like a game of pass the buck in a children’s playground. If she had kept her word and delivered what was required she would have had the full support LG the people but she had been too afraid of those who,disagree in Her own Government who should have been acting for the majority vote and should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves. I’m sick of hearing that those who,voted out did not know what they were voting for where in actual fact I probably knew more than many Ministers never mind MPs. I didn’t want all the foreigners out as our health service and other areas could not manage without them but I did want the U.K. to govern itself again instead of the unrepresentative European Government and I wanted our own forces apart from many other things. Let’s all stick,together and try to put the Great back in Britain but not the way Trump is performing. Please spread this as far as you can and ask your friends to help to stop the Parliament Summer Recess.
HazelF4
10th Jul 2018
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Disgusted with our political class,she has sold us out,will never vote Conservative again,feel sorry for our country.
Judianne
10th Jul 2018
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It could be as Lionel says she after a sneaky no deal
Lionel
10th Jul 2018
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I think so, Judianne. Given nothing is straight in politics what we're hearing is at best a partial truth.

Time will tell.
Judianne
10th Jul 2018
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Lionel
10th Jul 2018
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Indeed it will. Perhaps you would engage with me again when we know more, your company is most welcome. I love a debate.
Poppyrose
10th Jul 2018
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You see people have been thinking she was weak but she has the hide of a rhino and a frightening single mindedness and what she has done is destroy Brexit by underhanded tactics and this isn't the first time she has shown this. I spent a long time wanting to give her a chance but now I wouldn't trust her with anything. I'm so cross!!
Judianne
10th Jul 2018
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She was a remainer from the start, this is what she was planning all along slowly edged/pushed David Davis out, (he was right to resign for a few reasons) and letting her adviser take over, and and cleverly waited until it is too late to do anything about it!! don't know why Boris resigned tho', I am a life long Conservative, she made me wonder a bit!!
Lionel
10th Jul 2018
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All may not be as it seems. Our press is always looking for the sensationalist story, reader grabbing headlines. On Friday they got that, but, I ask you, was it the truth?
JanS18
10th Jul 2018
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It seems that the democratic idea of a referendum for leaving the EU has lost its way. All they have succeeded in doing is making us a laughing stock to the rest of Europe with no hope of a decent deal for the UK
Lionel
10th Jul 2018
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Jan, I'm not at all sure the democratic vote has lost it's way. In my opinion Brussels has far more to lose by Britain departing the EU than we have and therefore has been it's usual obstructionist self, as other countries have found.
Patharriss
10th Jul 2018
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Brexit is dying on it's feet, it was based on lies and no cohesive plan from the outset.
Lionel
10th Jul 2018
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How was Brexit used on lies?

The referendum question was quite straight forward - in or out.

If anyone took so much notice of the campaigning then we will be deceived. That's the nature of politics!
Yodama
11th Jul 2018
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The lies came out of the mouths of Ted Heath and his cohorts who got us into this unholy alliance in the first place!
Lionel
10th Jul 2018
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Whilst I agree with the general view that May is betraying or subverting the will of 17.4 million voters there may be a back story to this resulting in a very different ending. It could be the greatest political blind side in two centuries.

Theresa May has five weeks to come up with, and negotiate with an intransigent Barnier, a deal to satisfy the EU and the Commons as well as the Lords. Not possible, clearly. Too many opposing views.

Nor will our M.Ps accept a hard Brexit.

The deal announced on Friday will, of course be rejected by Europe, they've said as much already. The Commons might vote for it but by a very small margin. The Upper Chamber will say it doesn't go far enough. The Prime Minister will be out of time.

She may then go to the Commons when they come back after their summer recess and say the EU has rejected every offer Britain has made. There's nowhere to go but a hard Brexit. The Commons and Lords may well vote against that but, with no more time a hard Brexit is the only way forward. It will happen!

If this scenario mirrors No 10 thinking then this really is a great political blind side, the finest example political chicanery. An end achieved with no untruths, no deceit, just straight forward politics.

I wait to see ...
Poppyrose
10th Jul 2018
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Oh I'm hoping so because at the moment I'm feeling disappointed and deflated. I did think that could be behind all this this morning first thing but as the day went on doubt has crept in.
Lionel
10th Jul 2018
1
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Poppyrose, I wouldn't trust a politician as far as I could throw them - and being quite small that's not far.

As far as I can see the whole nature of politics is sleight of hand, slipping a lie in here and there. There's nothing straight forward or honest about it.

So, if Theresa May says on Friday, this is the way forward, then to me she has something else up her sleeve.

I've just speculated on what that might be. But I know this, what were told from Westminster is a long way from the truth.
Christine Smith
10th Jul 2018
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dejavou
10th Jul 2018
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it doesn't matter if the MP's are for against the EU, the public voted leave so they should put their personal opinions aside and get stuck in to getting the shackles cut.

I voted leave not due to immigration, but due to the EU taking away our rights to make our own laws etc. and the money going into a bottomless pit. In my opinion Germany was trying to by stealth what they couldn't achieve in 2 world wars.

If May goes who would be fit to take over certainly not buffoon Boris? Cameron called the referendum , so he should have been man enough to stick it out till the job was done, but of course he was so out of touch with the public he thought it would be a STAY result.

It's a good job the MP's aren't paid on results or the would all be begging on street corners
Lionel
10th Jul 2018
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Dejavou, this is the biggest political football of all time. But is to be relatively short lived. Our politicians are busy making their reputations, and fortunes, with Brexit meddling.

I take the same stance f yourself, they're our paid servants and should immediately implement the expressed will of the people.

But, politicians love the lime light guest spotting on TV or radio, writing for the press or towing the party line in speeches which get noticed. They're career people, detestable as that is to me.

You may well ask, if May goes who will take her place? She was shoe-horned in without a membership vote, tried hard to lose the last election (just re-read her manifesto) and now needs an alliance with the DUP to exist politically. Whoever puts up for the leadership, and there will be a good few candidates, will take office unelected by the people and therefore without a personal mandate.

That's a difficult place to be; very insecure. In my opinion anyone taking power under those circumstances values that power more than the will of the people and is therefore unworthy of that high office.
arnoldbradford
10th Jul 2018
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While we have a usless,weak,incompenant Prime Minister who has not stood up for the electorate, get rid of her and put someone in power who will listen to the people.
I have previously worked in Belgum and found the people absolutly PIG ARROGENT towards the British people, yes I would certantly vote for leaving again.
Lionel
10th Jul 2018
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Arnold, I travelled Europe extensively with my wife in 2001. Mainstream Europe and Central European countries. I found just what you say, sheer arrogance, even disdain, of us Brits. I've been to Czech Republic many times and they've welcomed me. But then they didn't realise Churchill sold them down the river to Stalin. They now know!

Our seemingly weak leadership allows Europeans to show such disrespect to us Brits, yet we didn't spare our young men's lives to rescue them from the scourge of the Nazis.
scandiman
10th Jul 2018
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I would vote Leave again. On past performance I wouldn’t trust this government to do anything as mundane as delivering a pizza, never mind Brexit. Incompetent, vacillating, self-serving, manipulative and controlling. We voted to leave completely but what we’re getting is a half-baked, deliberately vague hash that will keep us in EU for good. Sick to death of the lot of them.
AngelaW9
10th Jul 2018
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I may be in the minority in my own age group but I feel that Brexit can only have disastrous consequences for our country. I have always been pro the European Union partly because my dear old dad was in the army during the 2nd World War and as a family we believed that whilst our country was part of the EU there was the possibility of influencing other Nations and avoiding the carnage of war. I also am alarmed at the Economic prospects of not being part of a free trade block.
Wilf
10th Jul 2018
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I voted to stay in and one part of my thoughts was your comment about if all the countries are so closely aligned in the EU then there is no chance of any more European Wars. My other point would be we shoudl trade with the rest of the world anyway wether we are in or outside the EU which is what we have been doing as the USA is our biggest trade partner as a single country.
Lionel
10th Jul 2018
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Wilf, I think the Eu's claim to have prevented further catastrophic European wars, which is what I think you refer to, is a little high handed.

I would place the credit with NATO and it's declared policy of attack the one and you attack the many. Fearsome thought for an aggressor.
Wilf
10th Jul 2018
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Lionel I was really referring to the fact its kept the French and Germans at peace with one another after 3 wars from 1870-1940 with one another. I agree its NATO that has done the job against any other threats.
Lionel
10th Jul 2018
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My apologies Wilf.
Wilf
10th Jul 2018
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Not at all Lionel-its my clumsy English! I was going to say it will be interesting in the next 2 days with trump in Europe. Donald Tusk has already told him he should respect his European friends as the uSA has not got many at the moment?? I should think that angered the Donald!
Lionel
10th Jul 2018
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Wilf, I've mostly found your use of English most commendable. There's usually little doubt about your meaning.

It really is down to me, I jumped to the wrong conclusion, which left you in an awkward place.

Yes, the next few days will be very interesting, what with the Donald almost commanding NATO countries to shoulder more of the financial burden for their own defence.

Fair do's, America has used we Europeans as a defence shield against the Russians for 70 years, used the UK as a forward airbase - as you know I'm in East Anglia. We have far more nuclear weapons stored here than any other area of the earth. It's been said if one went off it would start a chain reaction wiping Britain off the map. So if I'm off air for a couple of days you know why.

I believe we should all contribute more toward our defence, but that means the US must re-establish its Cold War presence on European soil. Times are getting more difficult by the day and if European countries cannot agree on a single issue without the EU what chance have they of a united front against an aggressive Russia?
Wilf
11th Jul 2018
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I think Russia has designs on the Baltic states like Latvia but cannot see anything like an invasion of Germany it would just be madness and this is 2018 not 1965 and the Warsaw pact with thousands of tanks etc. I do think Trump has a point why should the Yanks be paying c4% of GDP on defense when the Germans are paying about 1.3% and practicing with Broomhandles instead of rifles-they must have been watching Dads Army! Rommel would be turning in his grave!
Lionel
11th Jul 2018
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The safeguard we presently have with Russia is that its economy is suffering badly from sanctions as well as their exports of oil and gas now at a low price. Putin doesn't have so much room for manoeuvre.

Western technology is far superior but, as with WW2 General Zhukov swept across western Russia and into Europe, Berlin, with 20 million men under arms. Sheer force of numbers and it was very brutal.

Yes, all Nato countries should pull their weight, Trump has a good point there. It's in our own interests; we should all have the capability to police and defend our borders and to ensure the safety of the nation. Nato is about meeting an overwhelming threat from Russia and with our pitifully depleted forces it won't be much of a showing.
Wilf
11th Jul 2018
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I dont think for one minute Russia has designs on the rest of Europe. My view is we should embrace them as friends. the average Russian is probably like the average Brit-few beers, a good chat, decent grub and a roof over his head and a loving family and friends. We all need to rethink our lives a bit!
Lionel
11th Jul 2018
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Wilf, so few people have taken that stance, one which I've endorsed since the Wall came down.

I've known a few Russians, some in London and a few in the Czech Republic. Given they've a very different history and culture they're not bad at all. Not sure about the beers though. There were some Russian guests at a wedding party in Czech. Soldiers on detachment to a local barracks. They hit the prune brandy - home made and distilled locally - with vengeance but throughout the afternoon and evening didn't get drunk!

In the early 90's the West had an opportunity to befriend the Russians after half a century of hostilities. We didn't take it. Instead we asset stripped their country, gave a legacy of a consumer society which at that time could only be fed by the West. We humiliated them on the world stage and treated them like losers for years.

Little wonder they're hostile to us.

I found the Russians to have long and detailed memories. They recalled Stalingrad in detail, Leningrad, remembered family stories of poverty and sickness brought about by Western activity.

We would do well to respect and befriend the Russians, but who will listen to an ageing lone voice like me?
Wilf
11th Jul 2018
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Totally agree with your thoughts Lionel-the world is too fragile and we are here to short a time to be aggressive in it. We need to learn to live together.
Lionel
11th Jul 2018
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LeonH
10th Jul 2018
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If these idiots worked fo a business rather than government, that business would be bust in no time at all. Clearly have no idea how to conduct negotiations to get the best possible deal.
Lionel
10th Jul 2018
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I'm not at all sure one may blame our government or negotiators.

The former Greek Chancellor, Varoufarkis (spelling is probably wrong) warned before negotiations with the EU began that they just don't negotiate. They make demands and block anything else.

That does seem to be the pattern of our so called negotiations with them. We're trying to broker a deal and Barnier just moves the goal posts each time.
StuartM9
10th Jul 2018
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We started off "leaving the EU" and in the space of time we are talking abou a softi still part of membersgip
france and germany. are laughing all the way to the bank. They have us exactly where they want us.
I am disgusted that this government have went on with their own agenda and no consideration of what the people wanted.. I hope they get kicked out at the next election they are no friends of the general public.
viking
10th Jul 2018
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The EU wish to make it as difficult for any negotiations as possible. You may ask why is this ? The EU hope that to make things as difficult as possible, then the UK may change it's mind and return to the fold.
If the UK does leave, then the third largest contributor to the coffers of the EU will disappear. This then means that to keep up the extravagent lifestyle of the EU, contributions from those countries remaining will have to rise to un affordable levels in three countries that spring to mind. This will then lead to the break up of this extravagent institution.
blackbeard
10th Jul 2018
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The momentum has been lost, the wish of the British people have been ignored and we are now about to pamper to the EU who will be laughing up their sleeve at us. This is a sad day. Mrs May should now concede that she has never had the control of the situation and has lost the confidence of her government and the people she should now resign and let someone who has the tenacity to want to win for the people of the UK take the reigns
Wilf
10th Jul 2018
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I agree BUT who would now make PM? I did not vote for Brexit but the vote was to leave and leave we must. I just do not see how it has taken 2 years to get here.
Lionel
10th Jul 2018
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Wilf, I think it's taken so long because of the bloody mindedness and intransigence of certain EU negotiators. Let's bear in mind here, such EU negotiators say they speak for the entire EU, but clearly that is not the case since 11 countries, in my recollection, have asked Westminster for a private trade deal outside the EU!

It will take too long to go into detail here, but historically, every time we Brits have become involved with Europe it's gone badly for us. With the present state of affairs, well, history repeating itself?
Wilf
11th Jul 2018
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Maybe they are clever negotiators Lionel. The other thing the EU top echelon is worried about is if they give the UK an easy time others may follow out of the EU like Holland or Italy and if that happened the whole lot could fall apart.
Lionel
11th Jul 2018
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As to who might replace TM well, there's an unimpressive list of hopefuls.Second raters most of them. I don't even see a promising candidate keeping his head down.
Yodama
10th Jul 2018
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Mayhem, pure mayhem!!!
How on earth did we expect Theresa May ( a remainer) to wholeheartedly fight for Brexit? I admire her tenacity but wish she would employ it on behalf of the majority of voters who want to shake off the shackles of a faceless bunch who are intent on an European Superstate, whatever shady deals they need to use to achieve it
.She should walk away now!!
It is a Disney fairytale to imagine we could ever be given any sensible or fair exit deals from unelected Brussels bureaucrats.

Parliament in chaos, voters getting madder by the day at the faked attempt to achieve Brexit. As I have said before, all smoke and mirrors, a mere sop to the British people who want out and want out now!!
Yodama
10th Jul 2018
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And no, I don't feel confident now that the right people are negotiating on our behalf.
Power hungry Boris is moving in for the kill, reminds me of Roman times. His latin speaking education should be able to translate
Et tu Brute.
Lionel
10th Jul 2018
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A TV medical programme used to have the slogan, Your Life In Their Hands. That's how it feels to me today.

Who are the right people to negotiate? They're all gold diggers. That's a direct reference to whores and kept people. Lusting after that which will always escape them. Power is both elusive and a very difficult task mistress. Et tu,Brute? Yes indeed, power ... best left well alone.

I don't believe we have the calibre of people to deal with the EU. Indeed, I don't believe anyone may deal with the EU successfully. If one's country is in the EU it's a dictatorship, if one's country is not it's a steamroller over local values and opinions. If one's country is leaving the EU it's everything but all out war. And this present stale mate with the EU might yet come to a conflict. Standby.
Yodama
11th Jul 2018
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Methinks some of us have woken out of the soporific state we have been lulled into since Ted Heath sold us out.
The EU tentacles have had many years to embed themselves into every facet of our lives... to our detriment.

Hypnotised via media into believing the EU is just one big happy family, sharing all equally. while the reverse is true.
It has given birth to more mega rich and mega power than we have ever seen before.
Standby as you quite rightly say Lionel, standby for the final squeeze that will leave us without any freedoms or rights as humans, the last gasp!
It is crunch time now and if our political negotiators are not driven by fear of repercussions by the Brussels mafia, then what else is driving them?....Something much bigger I suspect!
HappyHippie
10th Jul 2018
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she is the worst P.M. this country has ever known, I have never known the country to be in such a mess and I'm really worried about Brexit and what the consequences will be
Yodama
11th Jul 2018
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Don't think it matters much who the P.M or the party is, at the end of the day they all have to dance to the same piper's tune.......Germany!!!
GlynW3
10th Jul 2018
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Personally I think it will end up in tears, with no deal and we will just have to walk away. As I feel the EU will not compromise at all on anything. We voted out, so out it must be.
Lionel
10th Jul 2018
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That's well said Glyn. I completely agree.
Billythequiche
10th Jul 2018
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I am sorry to say I have no confidence at all in any of the present crop of politicians of whatever persuasion. In all my life I have never seen so many that have no commitment to public service and have only their own agenda and aspirations at heart. At a moment that is probably the most momentous since the second world war, when a clear mandate was given by the electorate, there is no consensus to achieve the best outcome for the country. There are those who dismiss the referendum and continue a campaign to prevent Brexit for their own purposes; there are those who revel in political machinations; there are those who see an opportunity for power grabs; there are many who have forgotten ''collective responsibility'' and loyalty; and there are, sadly, those who seek petty revenge for having been found wanting in ability and prudence.
I yearn for a ''night of the long knives'' to prune the undeserving from power, but the emphasis must remain on attaining the best result we can at Brexit.
The electorate have a memory and I am sure that some politicians will lose at the ballot box over disloyalty to their constituencies and their party.
Lionel
10th Jul 2018
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Standby Billy, the fan is about to get very sticky with an odd thing called truth.
Jakki
10th Jul 2018
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You're asking the wrong question - it should be WILL the government deliver Brexit to the benefit of the country. I have no doubt it CAN be done but with a remainer in charge it's just not happening!
ChristineP64
10th Jul 2018
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Confidence in this government and in May as been totally destroyed. We voted out for everything, not a partially in/out deal. The EU has been totally dismissive of everything we have attempted to gain agreement on. Blamed us for not having a plan, used EU citizens living here who May has always said would be able to remain and the Irish Border as a red herrings. They have never done anything to negotiate properly, just No No No. We should leave now, no more money, no more compromises on our part. If they want to trade with us, then let them come running. Sad that Dave Davis and Boris Johnson have resigned as trusted both of them but feel Dave Davis has been hindered by a remaining government.
LanceFogg
10th Jul 2018
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I have no confidence in the current government nor the only viable alternative at the moment, i.e The Labour Party, and am feeling extremely disillusioned with politicians in general. We need a third alternative more than ever - a political party that is determined to seek a full Brexit. That means freeing ourselves from the EU stranglehold of their rules and regulations enabling the UK to make its own laws, to enter into trade agreements with any other country and to maintain our sovereignty.
Unfortunately the only party that was committed to those principles has got itself in a mess with internal personality conflicts.
We need a new start and quickly before the left loonies get in and start to bankrupt the country.
Mollylucky
10th Jul 2018
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Theresa May has no intention of there being a successful outcome to Brexit - she never wanted it in the first place.
She should resign and let someone who cares take over!
RosalindH19
10th Jul 2018
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I didn't want to join the E.E.C. let alone the E.U. I want out. Unfortunately Theresa May's new Cabinet consists of mainly Remoaners. This will inhibit a clean break with the E.U. I am worried that we will be stuck with arrangements keeping us entangled with this bunch of unelected Eurocrats. I do not wish to be part of a United States of Europe!
jorid
10th Jul 2018
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I am sad, ashamed, and oh so much more as our country is being led by stuffed shirts who have eyes only for themselves and certainly not about the future of our once great country.
Others that will resign for sure who just cannot go along with Mays proposals, (nor will EU) so she has her own people resigning on a no deal anyway. Once you start giving in to this and that your on a short road to nothing. Anyway this deal is not (the favorite words of politions) what the People voted for.
Sadly i think we should just walk. If the EU in its largeness had took on board Camerons words for change this would not have occurred at all. Everything must change once it grows.
MOORE_J34
10th Jul 2018
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We didn't stand a chance whilst 52% of the country voted, 60% of the government voted in. The 40% of them that voted to leave have either been sidelined, bought off, or totally ignored!!
KateP9
10th Jul 2018
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clearly the only good Brexit is no Brexit. What May is propsing will not be acceptable to the EU. It does not pass the 4 tests & does not address the Ireland border issue. We are a laughing stock.
ColinM1
10th Jul 2018
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Brexit is a loser's charter ! The latest poll of opinion as at 9July showed some 62 % now support REMAIN . Nuf said let's dump the whole mess in the rubbish bin !
jorid
10th Jul 2018
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sorry vote was taken and result is being messed up. Polls are just that, seek the right people and you get the right result.
RoyT
10th Jul 2018
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Never saw this published anywhere and I’m sure the good old BBC would have made this headline news.
AnneF72
10th Jul 2018
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Perhaps Boris Johnson has his own agenda. He hasn’t covered himself in glory as Foreign Secretary and would make a disastrous loose cannon as Prime Minister. Theresa May is well rid of him. It’s high time she was given the crucial support that’s now needed more than ever.
jorid
10th Jul 2018
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support for what a rubish half out from the EU.??
Woottonm
10th Jul 2018
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If May resigns who would take her place !!!!!

Do we need a Labour government whilst we are in the middle of this complete mess they call Brexit ?
Wilf
10th Jul 2018
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I agree Woottonm there is nobody else to take her place and if Corbyn gets back in with his lot it will become an even bigger mess plus we will become another communist country like Venezuela and look at the mess they are in!
adele11
10th Jul 2018
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When you enter negotiation, that’s exactly what it is ........it has to be give and take....! If the EU had been a little more flexible initially when David Cameron first went to them with our concerns we wouldn’t be where we are now ....!
As it is Theresa May is doing what the ‘men’ haven’t the bottle to carry through.........! David Cameron, Boris Johnson, David Davidson........non have the staying power to fight for the best deal and negotiate.........! All the people saying Mrs May should resign........I ask .....who would you have in her place because it’s obvious there certainly isn’t a man who is up to it .......as has 7now been proved.....!
Wilf
10th Jul 2018
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I totally agree with you Adele all the EU had to do was be flexible and none of us would be in this mess. Cameron should have said look we need to limit immigration as we are a small country and people are worried plus we do not want to be part of Federal Europe and obay all the laws that would entail. Job done most people would have been happy-(I think!)
jorid
10th Jul 2018
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I agree with both of you, the EU had grown so big Cameron just asked for it to be updated EU would not budge so hence the mess we have now.
Boris no matter his faults (we all have them) has hung on and hung on until he cannot support the proposals for out, which he is right, the proposals are not what we voted for. Its an unholy mess.
ColinM1
10th Jul 2018
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Who is David Davidson ?
adele11
10th Jul 2018
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Predictive text.........my fault for not checking before pressing send..........! However that is so trivial to the importance of the issue.........and some people do seem to get more pleasure from correcting comments rather than actually contributing constructive comments....!
ColinM1
11th Jul 2018
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Oh dear Adele - my apologies if my little triviality upset you ! In probability Davis 's letter of resignation was one of the few occasions he put pen to paper in somewhat lack lustre performance . Another nail in the Brexit coffin !Ill conceived and badly managed with dwindling support .
AnnH4
10th Jul 2018
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Not with Mrs remainer May in charge
BrianS23
10th Jul 2018
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Mrs May has betrayed the voters and ensured the the conservatives will not govern for many years, I will no longer vote conservative
jorid
10th Jul 2018
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Sadly i totally agree with you
Junebee
10th Jul 2018
4
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Theresa May needs to resign now she has mad this country a laughingstock
adele11
10th Jul 2018
1
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Who would you suggest takes her place.....?
Wilf
10th Jul 2018
1
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Mrs May is not a leader ..more like a civil servant but the problem is there is nobody else in the Conservative party. Boris is a baffoon and as for Rees-Mogg he is a joke out of a comic book like Denis the Menace!-The Swot.
jorid
10th Jul 2018
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excuse me wilf, Boris is just different, he is an highly intelligent man but does not conform to normal ways of going about things.
Maybe this country needs something totally different than the kindergarden question time from all parties
Wilf
10th Jul 2018
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But Jorid I agree he is intelligent he speaks about 5 languages but a leader he is definately not as most people including leaders of other countries think he is a joker-which he is. Dont get me wrong the is a charismatic, fun guy but he is not a leader. I think in his brain he is the next Churchill....nah!
RoyT
10th Jul 2018
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Totally agree, but look who the US elected!!
ColinM1
11th Jul 2018
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May has run out of feasible replacements . The self opinionated Rees - Mogg has as much clout as a wet fish and her recent Cabinet replacements show little indication of life in the real world ! The Metropolitan press has been advocating Wee Ruthy , Tory leader at Holyrood as a possible answer. They do not seem to realise that she has kept her head above water thanks to the lopsided Beeb’s recent selective questioning ! Undeclared funding was used to fuel their “ revival “at the last election - something she has yet to declare upon ! Mrs May reckon your time is well and truly up !
jorid
11th Jul 2018
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Wilf i disagree, if Boris was the leader i am certain you would see a different side to him and yes he would keep the fun side shining through too
Wilf
11th Jul 2018
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Jorid, I like Boris dont get me wrong he is the only UK politician I can think of (besides Fararge but thats for another day!) who has got any charisma at all. The rest are just boring grey suites. Boris's issue is he is not diplomatic and cannot stop himself blurting off half truths. We need a leader; most of the UK likes him but views him as a clown...not a good image or leader for UK PLC!
jorid
11th Jul 2018
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Agree with you but i would rather him as i cannot see anyone else on the horizan. That is so sad for our Country
ColinM1
12th Jul 2018
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Intelligent buffoon ? | no hoper as proven .
ElainePeony
9th Jul 2018
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I voted not to leave the EU. No man , or Country is an Island . The best deal with staying in the EU is to get what we as a Country pay down to an acceptable level, and if necessary plead for this so that EU citizens can pay for their treatment, operations and care, here..lots of lovely € coming in to Nuffield, and similar what's not to iike? The whole thing is a. Expensive rubbish mess..it was always going to be "jobs for boys" and charming and smiley David Davis is, he's a patsy..a no man man. Did nothing apart from being oily. Dear daft scatolgical Boris, has stuffed his career
( temporarily into the long grass, bless him.."Is Boris still Foreign Secectary? " Quote from his dear beloved blond father Joe Johnson , Quite recently! Well dear Silvers...a lot to ponder..and much to consider, but in the final analysis no one gives a stuff about us, the little people.
My fridge stopped working, I have medicine that needs to be cold.i can't get any help! Hot sweaty and fed up..I hope you are better than me.
fanny71
10th Jul 2018
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ElainePeony all EU citizens would pay via their EU health card if the Trusts in this country could only be bothered to charge and collect. The same as UK citizens are charged when accessing health care in the EU.
jorid
10th Jul 2018
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It has always been thus Elaine but it is us the little people that vote and we take whats on offer.
I think Boris would be a very good change from the stuffed shirts we have around today
Wilf
10th Jul 2018
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Hi Elaine, Like you I voted to stay in but always thought we would be able to renegotiate properly with the EU...within the EU. All Cameron should have done was to get a deal with the EU years ago on trade, immigration etc while we were in the EU. The whole thing is a total fiasco.
Margaret Hart
9th Jul 2018
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After today I despair of getting to a satisfactory conclusion. The rest of the world must think we are a huge joke when our own Government can’t govern. I am a strong supporter of leaving but not at any cost and I would love to be able to read what Theresa May is putting before the European Union but I dread the details which have made to top men resign. I think Mrs Mays days are numbered but pray it does not let Corbyn in as that would be an even worse disaster. We have called Trump all the names under the sun but although stupid he has done what he said he would do.
MrsPat
9th Jul 2018
2
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Have Boris Johnson and David Davies no shame at all or any backbone come to that? If they did not agree with it on Friday what on earth did they sign up to in a sign of cabinet "unity". They are like molloscs totally floppy and spineless. Let Mrs May get on with Brexit and good riddence to these two. Boris can go and perform in another circus somewhere.

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