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Do you support Boris’s decision to suspend Parliament?

In a dramatic move on Wednesday morning, Britain’s new Prime Minister Boris Johnson set in motion the suspension of the UK Parliament – which means MPs have much less time to debate Brexit, the process of the UK leaving the European Union.

Mr Johnson spoke to the Queen on Wednesday morning to request an end to the current parliamentary session – a process known as prorogation.

Parliament is to be suspended for five weeks ahead of 31 October, the day the UK is due to leave the EU.

People who want the UK to remain in the EU are calling it a coup – and even some in favour of Brexit have criticised the move.

“There will be ample time on both sides of that crucial October 17 summit, ample time in Parliament for MPs to debate the EU, to debate Brexit, and all the other issues,” Mr Johnson said.

Opposition leaders have written to the monarch in protest and Commons Speaker John Bercow said the move was a “constitutional outrage” designed to stop Parliament debating Brexit.

Thousands of people have protested against plans to suspend Parliament in rallies in London, Edinburgh and other cities within hours of Boris Johnson announcing the plan.

At Westminster, crowds blocked traffic and some staged a sit-down protest in Parliament Square chanting “stop the coup” while others headed for Downing Street.

There were also impromptu demonstrations planned in Edinburgh, Cardiff, Manchester, Bristol, Cambridge and Durham after the Queen approved an order that will see Parliament suspended for more than a month.

Shadow home secretary Diane Abbott told protesters outside Parliament: “At the end of the day, it doesn’t exactly matter where you stand on Brexit, it matters where you stand on Tory prime ministers closing Parliament because they don’t want to give people a say.

“If this was a Latin American country it would be called a coup, complete with American president publicly backing it. We have to stop this coup, not just for Parliament but for this country’s future and for our children’s future.”

Shadow chancellor John McDonnell told the protesters: “The message is simple, whatever side you’re on in the debate around Brexit, the message is absolutely simple here, we’re supposed to be a democracy, and that democracy is meant to be a parliamentary democracy.

“They have taken away the decision. We think the decision that Boris Johnson is frightened of is Parliament itself taking control of the agenda next week and they’re not allowing us the opportunity.

“By closing Parliament down, it effectively closes democracy down in this country.”

What are your views? Do you support Boris’s decision to suspend Parliament? Is this a wise move?

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VeraS
1 hours ago
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If remainers hadn't thrown their dummies across the room it wouldn't have happened. He will never have a chance now the knives are out.
Darkstar
6 hours ago
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Perfectly fine. Stops the remainers from throwing their toys out of the pram.
Give us what 17.4 million people voted for.
12michael
4 days ago
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This is one e-petition waiting for a debate when they return
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/254329
12michael
4 days ago
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I am unsure on this , plus the fact they have ignored e-petitions such as leave the Eu on 31st October without a deal which has reached over 174,000 signatures to date , which should be a debate but public are ignored or is it self before service
SylviaH87
10th Sep 2019
1
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Boris Johnson has been thwarted whichever way he turns. The rebel MPs state that it is a betrayal of democracy to close Parliament. Those same rebel MPs are guilty of that charge themselves as they are totally ignoring the democratic wishes of the people and very often their own constituents to leave the EU. Also in Scotland the SNP are totally ignoring the democratic vote of the majority who voted against Independence for Scotland. The rebels voted against the deal of Teresa May and then voted against a no-deal. They are using this crisis for their own ends, ie Change of government.
alisonmay
8th Sep 2019
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Unconstitutional and undemocratic.
Lionel
9th Sep 2019
2
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No it is not unconstitutional at all. Johnson is well within precedent and therefore acting within our constitution.

I might add it seems to me he's about the only one in Westminster who is acting lawfully!
Len33
10th Sep 2019
1
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Well, I do not know how you have come to that conclusion!
17.4 million voters' made it quite clear that they (The majority) want to leave Europe.
it was a democratic vote and all the parties said that they would honour the outcome of it, no matter which way it was decided.
Then, unconstitutionally and undemocratically, they (The arrogant, self important, crass politicians) showed their true colours. The true colours that 'they' never intended for us to leave in the first place!
Hype, hysteria, fear mongering, exaggeration and blatant lies That is 'their' (The politicians') idea of democracy and lots of people, without a clue of how to think things out for themselves, follow.......... like a load of sheep and actually believe what these dictating cretins say.
The remoaners' should stop bleating, accept that the people voted to leave Europe and get out of the way.
If they love Europe so much, let them go and live there...........we don't need them here.
Len33
7th Sep 2019
3
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This is nothing to do with Brexit, but it does concern Boris Johnson.
On the news this morning, (Saturday 7th Sept) I had a really good laugh at the scene in Parliament as Boris Johnson mouthed off (Over the shouting chaos) at Corbyn, "big girl's blouse."
Oh my goodness, I could see the funny side of that and it was much relief from all the shouting, back biting and bickering that goes on there.
Needless to say, the do gooders, and the pc brigade launched into it and accused him of being 'homophobic' and 'misogynistic.'
What the hell has this country turned into? Are we not allowed to laugh and have a bit of fun?
Well, sod the pc brigade and if that offends anyone............sod them, too!
TedC7
7th Sep 2019
3
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Since the English Civil War parliament has had a right to sit to govern the country.
He must seek re election every five years, if you don't agree with the party you support, then you use your vote to say so.
You don't throw your toys out the pram and suspend parliament because you can not get your own way.
Len33
6th Sep 2019
4
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So much speculation as to Boris Johnson about taking us out of Europe and now...................here we are...................almost back where we started in June 2016.
The one and only time I ever voted Tory, was when Teresa May declared a general Election.
The reason for my vote? Because they promised to take us out of Europe.
In fact, all the parties promised to obey whatever the outcome of the referendum would be.
In reality, they have totally ignored 17.5 million voters and are doing what 'they' want.
I could go on for ages, but what is the point?
In passing, I will just say this.
The MP's that have caused enormous damage, one way and another, should be prosecuted for their false representation.
It wasn't truthful and it certainly was not honest.
But, there it is, that's the twisted and corrupt world of politics
Anyone fancy reporting them to the Advertising Standard Agency?
Oh, by the way, I am a firm Brexit Party supporter and I will definitely be voting for them if and when there is an election.
Smurphy
8th Sep 2019
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Totally agree with you.It makes me feel so Angry,that the results of the Referendum has been totally ignored!!And who decided to give us our choice of Voting to Leave or Stay in EU.Was obviously a Big surprise to the Establishment they did not get the Result they wanted!!!
Mrchipps1
6th Sep 2019
4
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I think the Boris is simply acting like his predecessor did and is acting like a spoilt child and dictator and in time, he like her will simply come to a sticky end people will only take some much garbage from him and all MPs, who are not working for their constituents, but only thinking selfishly about their own lily livered skins. I hope that when we next have an election, the whole lot loss their seats. they seem to have forgotten that we pay their massive salaries and can sack them
Smith165
6th Sep 2019
3
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I personally think that it is about time that the elected persons follow the opinion of the people who elected them. We voted to leave the EU, why are we still in it and why is there talk of another vote.
This government appears to be trying to lose everyone's support!
Music
6th Sep 2019
7
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We voted to leave. Just let Boris get on with the job and let us leave the E.U. We had a world war so that we wouldnt be governed by Germany - we didnt join the E U. to be a United State of Europe - we joined for trade. I can remember the U.K. before the EU and we managed then. I voted remain but I am now a leaver and supporter of Boris.
Wessex Wanderer
6th Sep 2019
2
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OK here are my predictions:
1. We will not exit on Oct 31st.
2. There will be a general election soon
3. The Conservatives will be returned to power, minus the ones who defied the party whip and replaced by ones who will toe the line.
4. Boris will then have an obedient majority to progress his policy through parliament.
5. Boris' policy is to leave, with the best deal he can get and a date to be set in stone.
6. Brexit will happen in 2020.
Bets anyone?
Lionel
6th Sep 2019
1
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doolally
6th Sep 2019
7
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I think the UK had become a laughing stock !
It won’t be leaving Europe that kills the UK it will be the idea of trading with a bunch of muppets (that’s what the world is seeing right now on their bed)
The uk could and I’m hoping will be the very best there is if we let. Boris do the job he has been given and just get on with the exit .. we will make it work...

If we don’t leave I see no future for us as a country ... the war will have been lost !!
MrsPat
5th Sep 2019
5
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Myself and my old man used to watch comedy shows for entertainment. We now watch the 10 o'clock news. It is a laugh a minute. Boris the clown-Corbyn the fool-Berclow the poisoned dwarf who has definitely got little man complex. What a hoot.
Suzanne53
5th Sep 2019
9
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Sooner or later someone had to make the decision to move on. Boris Johnson is trying to do exactly that. If Mrs May had walked as soon as the EU rejected our proposals and said back at the time ‘In that case the UK will leave without a deal, the EU would have turned on a ‘Euro’. They are all concerned about the money that the EU will lose from the UK once we have gone. Couple that with the amount of juvenile squabbling taking place in Parliament one has to wonder ‘Are the MPs really concerned or are they looking after their own agenda.
MPs need to realise once and for all that the UK voted to leave, so irrespective of what ANY MP’s personal preference is they are paid to do a job and the bottom line is NOT what they personally want or how much they personally will lose but to do the job that the public of the UK asked for...Get OUT of the EU as quick as we can. This constant backbiting and squabbling like uncouth children is not doing the UK any good at all.
So to all MPs who are frightened of losing a ‘bob or two’. Put the people of the UK first. ‘OUT MEANS OUT’ stop all the dithering and get the job done, before there really is a coup led by the people of the UK.
Wilf
5th Sep 2019
4
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I don't think there would ever be a coup in the UK or a revolution-people are too busy on their games consoles, or watching Bake Off or down the pub!
dancingcruiser
4th Sep 2019
6
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There is nothing illegal in the action taken by our PM Johnson.
and I fully support any action that he sees fit to put a stop to the parasites that have spent the last three years trying to force the UK to stay in the corrupt E.U.
How many of the remain MPs are being paid by industry to try and block us leaving, because they want a mass influx of cheap labour.
Gordon Brown that failed useless PM let the cat out of the bag when he said that the UK must have a large pool of cheap labour in order to compete with China and India.
We get all the scaremongering, deceit and downright lies about what would happen if we left, but nothing about what life would be like if we begged to stay in as the remainers want.
Already the UK cannot cope with massive road jams, hospitals struggling to cope, with housing shortage, weeks to see a doctor or dentist, massive increase in crime because we cannot deport the criminals coming here just for starters.
It is quite ironic really that the younger generation that are being persuaded to remain will eventually be the real losers should we be forced to remain.
Finally all this crying and whining by remainers about democracy when They are the ones that are trying to subvert democracy.

After we leave on 31st August instead of keep insulting leavers with their childish behavour they should buy themselves some dummies to throw out of the pram.
Lionel
4th Sep 2019
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Cruiser, that's the best comment, the most accurate rendering of our present situation. Perhaps you should write more here, a breath of fresh air.

My own view, that we are headed for a civil war, has made me a most unpopular figure, but the signs are in place. It's all there awaiting a match to the blue touch paper. It will be dreadful, father against sons, mother against daughters ... this scenario may be seen all over the world where people have been betrayed by their leaders. Just wait, it's coming to a town near us all.

May God have mercy on us.
WellMan
3rd Sep 2019
4
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Everyone can banter and expound and quote law or protocols. However the reality in the UK is hiddeously dysfunctional and out of balance leaving our country and people vulnerable.

It is not what one can see that is of concern, but; what one can not see what is really happening.

We are at war with ourselves therefore weak and vulnerable beyond any reasonable notion.
Sazz66
3 days ago
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I totally agree. I have never known this country to be so vehemently split. Whichever way people.voted it seems.to me.that noone can hold a conversation about politics/
brexit without spiteful Iill educated comments. Personally I voted to remain and have never swayed from that. I get absolutely sick of reading the same.old.comments (from both 'sides') and despair at how we are no.longer the 'united' kingdom. It seems as though there is a huge 'them and us' conflict going on and just everybody is right!!!!!
JeremyW11
2nd Sep 2019
6
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Complaining about the break down of democracy? Don't make me laugh. The European referendum bill 2015 was voted through and became an act of parliament by 544 - 53 votes. The vast majority of these MPs were subsequently re-elected to Westminster on a manifesto promise to deliver the referendum result. Subsequently a significant number of these MPs have reneged on their promise to the electorate and have taken every opportunity to thwart the referendum result.

Don't get me wrong I can understand some might not like the concept of leaving without a deal. But to actively undermine a referendum result would have dire consequences for our trust in our political system. The intention is still to agree a deal, but without the ability to walk away without a deal it is somewhat akin to turning up for a boxing match with one hand tied behind your back. We were told quite clearly the referendum was a one off event and then government would deliver on the result. Boris is doing his level best to achieve this for us. Perversely by attempting to weaken the governments bargaining position by removing a no deal option it appears that MPs are pushing us ever increasingly in to just that - a no deal scenario.


Leaving on WTO is not a long term commitment, agreements can and will be reached. However I do have hope that this won't be the case. As a country that is heavily dependent on exports to the UK and main funder of the EU Germany as the one paying the piper can call the tune - and German industry will demand that tune is a reasonable deal.
Attagirl
2nd Sep 2019
3
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Yes,, I agree with his action of suspending Parliament. He is doing everything he can to ensure our exit from the EU by 31st October, which is what most people and industries want, and what would Parliament be discussing anyway as they certainly aren't running the country while the Brexit issue exists!
SteveP94
2nd Sep 2019
3
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How do you know that is what most people and industries want. On a rigged vote 3 years ago with “easiest deal ever” and all the other lies it might have been but there’s hardly been a poll since that supports that position since
jeanmark
3rd Sep 2019
3
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Well Attagirl, as only 71.8% of the population voted, how can you be so certain that 'leave' is what the majority the country wants?
KatrinaP3
10th Sep 2019
0
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The whole country had the option to vote and only 71.8% CHOSE to do so! The rest can't now complain that they didn't get the choice they wanted because they couldn't be bothered to vote. The had their chance and didn't take it. That doesn't mean they should get a rerun! The vote was leave, so let Boris do his job and get on with it! End of rant 🙂
Sazz66
3 days ago
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What you are forgetting is that back then people who wanted to vote, such as my daughter and nephew, and their peers, couldn't because of their age. Had they had the opportunity I would.like to bet that the result would have been VERY different. Also, many people who voted to leave have since had their eyes opened and subsequently changed their view.. plus a lot of elderly leave voters will have passed on since. What are Leavers afraid of if there were to be another vote? You're all so cocksure of yourselves that you have to resort to calling remain voters names in such a superior manner and have no respect for how people who voted remain worry for our future and our children's future. I'm sick of. it all and wish the damn referendum was never brought into play, thanks Cameron., hope you're proud of how you've managed to split the country down the middle....
Sazz66
3 days ago
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Not forgetting that a percentage of those who voted leave have since changed their minds!
WellMan
2nd Sep 2019
4
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In my opinion the crucial element of our constitution of democracy is legal democracy itself. Therefore in the issue of Brexit there are two elements active in our country regarding this.

The first element being that the democratic action was goverened by the outcome of hopefully legal voting mechanism. Therefore there is no doubt we leave the EU.

It could be argued that Mr Johnson is fed up with the absolute lack of parlimentary agreement regarding the terms. Or, sees the opportunity to swing things his way.

No matter what; our parlimentary process has shown itself to be profoundly inept and dysfunctional. This makes us very weak and at the mercy of any preditor to take advantage of our national turmoil.

The second element is that the lethargy of our peoples who did not vote or voted as a protest empowered the leave EU outcome we have. Simple and decisive inaction and retaliation.

We created this situation and now we have to take the consequences.

I voted stay but must abide by the outcome of the national vote decision. That is democracy.

Now the job is to secure the best deal or no deal to avoid costing us billions. The EU countries still desperately need us to sell to and trade with.
SteveP94
2nd Sep 2019
3
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Main issues are 1, it wasn’t a legally binding vote it was advisory, despite what Cameron said. 2. The result was so close (and reflects the stalemate in Parliament) that it’s difficult for any objective view to same this is what we should do, no company would change the way it operated at an AGM based on that majority. 3. There was never a plan in place for how to proceed with the negotiations. 4. May had her election to strengthen her hand and reduced her power, demonstrating the lack of agreement across the country to the path she wanted.

There’s going to be a lot more water under the bridge and vitriol across the country before it gets sorted, just hope we can remain friends either way - so long as we stay in
RichardL16
3rd Sep 2019
3
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The vote was an indication of the electorate's wishes. MPs should work for their constituents wishes. This is so old I am surprised you are using it as an argument. It was not close, close is winning by 1 vote after three recounts. It was a difference of 4% in a high vote. The plan was to was to negotiate our way out of the EU. Right out, not partially out. May lost that election due to the fact that she threatened the core Tory vote by saying she would take away the triple lock from pensioners.
Not much more water to go under the bridge. The vitriol I feel will continue from the Remainers. Every weekend I am on a stall for The Brexit Party and we get sworn at and threatened by people who disagree with our aims, but very little discussion.
Sure we can remain friends, whatever happens.
Westminster
1st Sep 2019
2
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Boris has merely extended the usual break for the conference season by six days, so what ?

Our useless MPs have been debating Brexit for three years, and failed to agree on a deal, so we should just leave without one.

Leaving without a deal might concentrate their minds on reaching and agreement if possible with the EU.

'Much ado about nothing' sums up our current MPs.
robertcrothall
1st Sep 2019
0
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What about Switzerland, they have borders.
sue53loo
1st Sep 2019
1
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we have our own tier of self serving politicians, why would we want a second tier in the EU??
Yagala
1st Sep 2019
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I have been told that Mr Boring has had a decent upbringing and backup, if so I do really wonder why is it then that he lives with "his girl" friend and does not have an abode of his own?
If he is as good as has been mentioned, does he know what happend in the time of Charles I and Cromwell?
Does he know about the Cavaliers and round hats?
Does he know why the war of Roses were fought and why the Royal Treasure was thrown into the waste?
Does he know/understand the geography of his own people and country?
The way he goes about I sincerely doubt that.
And why when he is mister plastic fantastic did he not step into the shoes of Mr Cameron when stepped down?
Instead he started to bully the new Prime ministers without rhyme nor reason, do people really trust him and think he is the bees knees?
I see this beautiful and peaceful country going to rack and ruin and it will take a real Man/Woman to put it all up to rights again.
What a shame and waste.
His hollow phrases are showing more holes than a colander, his promisses are easily put aside with a few simple methods in changing a few of our own laws, if he could bring up thinking time about these easy solutions.
I do not like bullies because in themselves they have not the faintest of ideas how to deal with problems in depth.
Felix1
1st Sep 2019
0
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LordoftheTeapot
1st Sep 2019
0
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If I was the prime minister we would of left the EU the day after the referendum result.

See, things can always be worse...
Hillingdon371
1st Sep 2019
5
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The vote was to leave. Boris is desperately trying to do this - support him. Three years has passed with time just wasted and costs incurred.
KeithSmith
31st Aug 2019
5
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At the end of the day, Boris has to deliver what the people voted for. They voted to leave the EU. Some politicians are desperate to overturn that vote. That is anti-democratic and betrays the trust of the people in the ability of parliament to follow the democratic decision.
FelixP
31st Aug 2019
0
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My view is that the majority of voters said leave (even if it was small)
then they should leave you have to have a border in Ireland so stuff from the EU cant come into the U.K. through the back door. good luck to everyone.
Penny72
31st Aug 2019
3
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I wonder if the demos today are playing into Bojo's hands.....is the EEC getting worried making it easier for him to get a proper deal
TimN5
31st Aug 2019
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Brexit is the biggest scam in my lifetime. Firstly it is not democratic. Did Ben Johnson win Olympic gold? No. He crossed the line first, but he was pumped up on illegal substances. Cheating is not winning. So the victory was illegitimate and did not stand. Did Boris Johnson win the election? No. The Electoral Commission ruled that the Leave campaign was pumped up on illegal finances (not to mentioned the lies, the illegal use of stolen data and the collusion with Russia). Cheating isn't winning. Leave voters should consider themselves lucky to have a second referendum - Ben Johnson never got to re-run the race. Usually cheats are just banned. And why did we have the referendum in the first place? Well, it's funny how it happened at the same time as the EU was putting through a directive to stamp down on tax-dodging by the super-rich. And it's funny how the billionaire tax exiles of right wing newspapers are the ones pushing for it. Ever get the feeling you've been had?
Yodama
1st Sep 2019
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Naught, naughty, been at that Unicorn food again have you TimN5?
SannyFerrien
1st Sep 2019
4
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Is that your best response? 😀
SteveP94
2nd Sep 2019
0
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Judging by the thumbs down on your message, it seems that most people can’t stand the truth. I haven’t seen any concrete argument against anything you’ve stated though. Maybe next there’ll be a cry of “Brexit means Brexit” whatever that really means
AnnieS97
6th Sep 2019
0
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Thank goodness! A voice of reason. I have just scrolled through this nonsense and was becoming very afraid that I was a minority of 1! If leave voters haven't done their research yet and are willing to follow Bojo and Rees - Mogg over the cliff edge ( to benefit only the rich and no-one else) I can only be thankful I am Scottish and have a get out from the undemocratic madness!!
MitchMD
31st Aug 2019
3
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It is the only way we will leave the EU by 31 October even though EU are eager to extend the deadline but not so eager to renegotiate or even improve the deal.
RichardL16
31st Aug 2019
8
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The first thing to ascertain is...are MPs elected to serve the electorate or themselves. The vote to leave was countrywide. All constituencies that had a leave majority should have an MP voting leave in parliament, that is democracy at work. However many MPs have followed their own wishes which is not democratic. Now the 'usual suspects' are claiming the high ground because Boris Johnson has prevented them from continually extending the amount of time taken to bring the impasse to a conclusion. The remainers will never be happy until Brexit is beaten, by any means. prorogueing parliament is not illegal, and at this time of year parliament closes for party conferences anyway.
RayJ6
31st Aug 2019
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Well written and totally agree
FelixP
31st Aug 2019
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a good and fair answer JP
VeraS
1st Sep 2019
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Totally agree sense at last
SannyFerrien
1st Sep 2019
1
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Forget constituency numbers; 'People's Vote' -- the clue is in the name. Therefore the MP is under no obligation to follow.

So, the OP's points are relevant to current decisions, and MPs are entitled to follow their consciences, or what they perceive as best for the country/populace.

It is not a question of "usual suspects"; it is recognition, with the advantage of much revelation and fresh information, that the whole Brexit issue has been mismanaged and thus needs to be brought back to the people, not imposed with a bludgeon.
SteveP94
2nd Sep 2019
3
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Richard, not sure you understand our system of government. We elect a representative and they do what they believe is in the countries best interest. Although too often it’s what’s in their parties best interest
Wilf
2nd Sep 2019
2
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With the main parties like the Tories now I think its a 3 line whip but thank goodness some of them are not sheep.
AnnieS97
6th Sep 2019
1
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Does the UK stop just north of Penrith? I wish things had worked out the way you suggest. The leave vote was NOT "countrywide" Every single constituency in Scotland voted to remain and ALL 13 of the Tory MP's supported leaving with no-deal. Just exactly which of their constituents are they serving?
CeliaH5
31st Aug 2019
3
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Finally we are all moving together as a great democracy to a wonderful future on 31 of October. We have been through two world wars and coped .,and after a few bumps in our future road we will prevail.
SteveP94
2nd Sep 2019
3
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Referring to the 2 world wars we got through and we’ll probably be ok again must be the craziest thing I’ve heard. Why would anyone want to go through that sort of carnage again. The whole idea behind the EU was to work together to avoid it, so many people turn their back on history without understanding
Smileyb
31st Aug 2019
8
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Brexit is Brexit, it’s been debated for 3 years. We coped before we joined in 1973, we can cope now. I voted Remain, but I have respect for those who voted leave, as I would expect the same if the decision had been the other way.
Parliament is being prorogued under a constitutional right. It is time we found out what our domestic agenda is, as it’s 2 years since we knew what the government were planning domestically. Let’s get behind Boris then we can get on with what is important GREAT BRITAIN, let’s make it GREAT again.
SteveP94
2nd Sep 2019
1
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You do remember Farage’s statement. To paraphrase, if it’s 60/40 then it’s game over, if it 48/52 then it’s not over by a long chalk.

Never mind that the result was based on fraud
AnnieS97
6th Sep 2019
0
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I think you need to visit some history books. We were NOT coping before we joined the EU, which is why we begged to be part of it in the first place and have prospered since. A trade deal with Trump and the USA will mean the destruction of the NHS, Added to this, out of Europe, we will be on our knees so will have no ground on which to stand and Trump will do his worst.
Wilf
6th Sep 2019
0
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I don't think a trade deal with the USA will mean the destruction of the NHS. It may mean some better practices in there. By the way I never wanted to leave the EU either. Best to stay in a club looking after each others needs.
atlantajan
31st Aug 2019
3
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Here is the link for an article regarding 'Brexit is the ‘will of the British people’ or maybe not if you look at this chart. Interesting reading eh.

https://bit.ly/2Ujm9eo
saladmuncher
31st Aug 2019
6
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Here is a letter from an MEP (dated 31st August) explaining the situation:-

SIR – The norm at Westminster, until 2010, was for the summer recess to last from late July until about 15 October.

Labour introduced a change to insert a September sitting into the calendar. This happened in 2003 and 2004 and then the idea was dropped. It was only reintroduced by the coalition government in 2010.

So not only had it been perfectly normal for Parliament to be in recess throughout August, September and much of October, but it was equally the case that prime ministers changed the system when necessary, without public outcry, to ensure they could carry out their legislative programme.

Those that are genuinely concerned about getting a good and timely deal between the UK and the EU should be doing all they can to support the Prime Minister and ensure that Brussels understands this.

I know only too well that in the EU, nothing is possible and anything is possible – it just requires political will.

Geoffrey Van Orden MEP
Leader of the Conservatives in the European Parliament
Chelmsford, Essex
SannyFerrien
31st Aug 2019
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He's an apologist for wrong, disingenuously fudging the issue.

Having longer holidays, or not, is fine. Recalling parliament when necessary for an issue is fine.

Deliberately avoiding sitting, when a hugely urgent national decision is at hand, is arrogant abuse of our democratic system.
saladmuncher
31st Aug 2019
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He has done it in order for a Queen's Speech to be heard, which is normal practice as well as being long overdue. In fact Corbyn had been asking for a Queen's speech since the beginning of the year, (probably so he could vote against it).

Also, the period from 9th September to 20th September Parliament was going to be closed down anyway for conference season. In effect he has only closed down Parliament for an 4 extra days!

One should ponder on this thought, it is 1163 days since the referendum in June 2016, and with the deadline of October 31st looming up on the horizon our MPs saw it fit to go on 6 weeks holiday......and now suddenly they are complaining about losing 4 days of debate......
saladmuncher
31st Aug 2019
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Kate Hoey, Labour MP for Vauxhall wrote on Twitter:-

".....And this year it had already been agreed by the Commons that we would not sit from September 12th to October 9th so all this talk of a coup etc is just complete remoaner frustration now that it looks like we really will leave on October 31st......"
SannyFerrien
31st Aug 2019
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Confused, perhaps, as to who controls parliament?

Recess is not MPs' personal choice; it is timetabled by the government of the day, though parliament can attempt to control it. They cannot control prorogation.

You point out the urgency, yet it is Bojo's cabinet that is keeping parliament closed; and it is the MPs who are actually having to try to find a way to debate parliamentary business despite this arrogant ruse.
SteveP94
2nd Sep 2019
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There’s a difference between a recess for conference that can be recalled and prorogued which can’t.

Anyone that believes this is normal practice is set to believe any of the lies from leave, easiest deal ever, there’s no need for a plan B because this will be a walk in the park, we’ll get a better deal than the one we have already
RayJ6
31st Aug 2019
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Parliament have been deifying the democratic vote of the uk public to leave the EU by constantly putting barriers in place because they did not like the outcome of the referendum in 2016 and those part members who constituents voted to leave and gone against there instructions are traitors and should be remove immediately from office and charged with treason
StevieH
31st Aug 2019
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I, frankly, wouldn't mind if the decision was being made by an actual ELECTED PM instead of the last two....
Glenda21
31st Aug 2019
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stevie the country never elects our prime minister. We only vote to elect the party, if you want a say in who your prime minister is you have to join the party in office.
stanleyk
31st Aug 2019
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You don't elect a PM you elect a party
SteveP94
2nd Sep 2019
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Then how has the emphasis changed to no deal and out, when Parliament voted against that?
stanleyk
2nd Sep 2019
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Not sure what point you are making. And it was the country that voted not parliament.
Lindaloo62
31st Aug 2019
2
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Any decision Boris makes will be turned around by remainers as to mean something else entirely. Let him get on with his job....
ElainePeony
30th Aug 2019
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Go dig, people. Grow your own and eschew animal protein.
The lentil will be in short supply, and Soya impossible to purchase as Trump has penalised its export.
WillieM
30th Aug 2019
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The man is a bully. He shows no regard for parliament or the Queen . We voted to leave . I disagree but respect the decision. I don’t think we knew what leavings consequences were but we’re stuck with it unless another referendum happens. David Cameron has a lot to answer for. He just walked away. What a mess. We must be the laughing stock of Europe. We can’t even leave in an orderly way
Wilf
30th Aug 2019
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Its a mess-pure and simple of our own and some politicians making!
Lionel
30th Aug 2019
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I don't agree Wilf. That's unusual for us, don't you think?

It seems fairly certain the EU has been meddling in our affairs by offering substantial bribes to feed what was in the beginning quite a small remain voice. Some of our politicians are just too pro-remain for anyone's good and I can't help but wonder why. I'm sure it's not a dedication to the welfare of this nation since the Labour lot spent ten years ruining what once was.

I believe it's fair to say our politicians, unless independently wealthy, just follow the money.
SannyFerrien
31st Aug 2019
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"... quite a small Remain voice..."? Quite a small margin!

Read the following for a clear view of the arguments why pro-Remain is a very reasonable position.

https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2016/10/24/brexit-is-not-the-will-of-the-british-people-it-never-has-been/

On the politicians, I agree most follow their vested interests, but especially the 'independently wealthy'.
Wilf
31st Aug 2019
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Lionel that is very unusual for us but is the beauty of our country where we can agree to disagree and remain friends! Do you really think the EU has been offering bribes? I may be naive but I cannot believe that would be true-who would do it? how would they cover it up? Our press are brilliant -like bloodhounds-one sniff of a scandal like that and they would pile in!
SteveP94
2nd Sep 2019
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Trouble is the independently wealthy MPs are the ones wanting Brexit to save their tax haven status
YvonneW73
30th Aug 2019
4
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How can they say there is no time to debate Brexit? They have been delaying it for 3 years. How can they say it is the end of democracy? Is it ok for the remainer politicians to take away the people’s democracy but then don’t like theirs threatened. If they had dealt with this in the last 3 years like proper grown up adults there wouldn’t need to be a last minute panic.
DavidF31
30th Aug 2019
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Don’t forget Jacob Rees Mogg and Boris both voted against the Brexit deal we spent two years negotiating delaying Brexit for their own self greed.
Lionel
30th Aug 2019
1
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Yvonne, you're quite right. I believe most of our politicians have proved an often said point. If you're no good at anything become an MP.

There are some good men and women in the Commons, but not enough to make a difference.
saladmuncher
31st Aug 2019
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Actually they both voted FOR the deal the third time!
RobinB3
30th Aug 2019
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59% support for a fascist coup. Sad how easily people are swayed by a silly grin and a posh accent.
Wilf
30th Aug 2019
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Not sure its Fascist-bit harsh...and the last time I looked a Coup was normally backed by armed forces. Cannot see Jacob in a uniform somehow!
Lionel
30th Aug 2019
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Even more sad is that so many seeming Brits want to sell out their country, the land of their birth, to a foreign power.

Is it fair and just to term such people British? I don't think so.
Lionel
30th Aug 2019
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Wilf, so few people these days know just what a fascist might be. It's a term being bandied about so frequently it's lost all relevance.

Just to make the point, how is Bris Johnson a fascist? He's a rank and file Tory, may even be Conservative!
SannyFerrien
31st Aug 2019
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You are twisting words, Robin did not call Boris a Fascist.

However, his current intentions do fit with the following parts of the definition of fascism: "dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition".

It is not about defining Johnson or the Tories -- it is about recognising the thin end of a wedge driven into parliamentary democracy.
Wilf
31st Aug 2019
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I agree Lionel (as usual!) He is a soft Tory snob bought up in a wealthy family-he is hardly strutting about in a black uniform thumping a lectern!
RichardL16
31st Aug 2019
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Calling a person or group fascist is old hat. No one takes any notice, it's been too well used!
Wilf
31st Aug 2019
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Correct and the last real Fascists all died off in the 1940s anyway!
ElisabethR
1st Sep 2019
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Always a 'thing's about the number who voted leave! In parliament ONE vote over carries the day. Think it was rather more than one vote in the referendum.

The BIG problem here was thst all the mps declared they would uphold the vote not for one moment expecting leave to win!

As it had already bèen agreed thst parliament would not sit for most of Sept into Oct what is the problem? I have mot seen any indication that any conferences have been cancelled.

I await further action with interest.
VeraS
1st Sep 2019
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JulieD67
30th Aug 2019
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Brexit has been frustrated by parliament for months; something has to be done to force a conclusion to the disastrous situation we have been living with, whatever the result!
TrevJ
30th Aug 2019
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If you look at this mess and it's all about Ireland and the back stop.. OK let's look at Switzerland, this has, 5 EU countries and guess hat NO HARD BORDERS so why are we still messing about....
Lionel
30th Aug 2019
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Quite right, RevJ. One may only conclude this mess suits the purposes of an unseen minority with huge vested interests. No who could that be?

Answers on a postage stamp, please.
Ldavies
30th Aug 2019
1
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Switzerland joined the Schengen Area.
Ldavies
30th Aug 2019
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Switzerland joined the Schengen Area
JenB7
30th Aug 2019
1
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Boris and Cummins are the 2 best political ambassador s for this country they have a job to do and one of those parts is getting us out of the eu , I'm not bothered or worried about leaving without a deal in fact I want them to do just that , closing parliament to a bunch of anti democratic idiots ie, politicians is the cleverest move any one has done , it is just a pity he didn't do it for longer , I will support them all the way to and for a GE, GO BORIS .
DavidF31
30th Aug 2019
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Then you mustn’t care one bit about our country, closing down parliament to our elected politicians isn’t democratic quite the opposite you are undermining democracy for your own ends.
Lionel
30th Aug 2019
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SheilaT79
31st Aug 2019
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Exactly my feelings!!!
leighpipkin
31st Aug 2019
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Yeah GO BORIS.....and don't freakin stop
and then go some more.
Robbit
30th Aug 2019
5
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These whinging pom MPs and other Remoaners should, as Robert Preston has said, "stop crying over prorogation, - you're reaping what you sowed" .... sowed by their own hypocrisy, duplicity and idiocy.
Lionel
30th Aug 2019
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Common sense and truth, both now sadly so uncommon. Thank you.
Mozza73
30th Aug 2019
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The parliamentarians have had 3 years , times up so let Boris do his job . The last Prime minister wasted 3 years on a remain parliament , so let democracy prevail the majority voted out so out it is, let’s just get out and then sort out the future end of.
VeraS
30th Aug 2019
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I dont read newspapers but I agree to leave, How do you know its ill informed remember it went to a referendum and the public voted leave just because it doesn't suit you doesn't make you right
atlantajan
30th Aug 2019
0
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When anyone mentions the public voted thing - I like to share this with them and also remind them that Brexit was sold on the basis of lies. Many would now - given more info- change their minds on a Peoples Vote and actually want to stay in the EU (yes even with all its faults because it is better than the alternative). Given that we don't have that option right now (oh for democracy eh) the best we can hope for is to have a deal with the EU. Boris and his pals aren't so bothered because they can literally walk away from this mess (as Cameron and May have done before them). They are rich enough for it not to affect them. It will of course affect ordinary people like us.

Also this from Mike Harding seems to make sense.

Dear Brexiteers

You voted Leave because the EU was undemocratic?
(It isn't - all MEPs are voted in - ministers are appointed from amongst them. The Civil Service for 28 EU countries in Brussels is smaller than Whitehall.)

You voted Leave because you wanted Parliament to be sovereign?
(We never lost our Sovereignty - the govt White Paper stated this)

You wanted Brexit with all of the same benefits, without the cost?
(We spend more money propping up the 6 counties of Northern Ireland than we do for membership of the EU.)

You were worried about immigration (70% comes from non EU countries. EU citizens here actually are net contributors to our tax system - and under the 3 month rule we can send any home back to their EU countries that don't have a job or somewhere to live - we chose not to use that power for some reason.)

You swallowed the lies Farage, Mogg and Bojo told you

"Take back control..." Well they have done - OF YOU.

Now open your eyes to what we've got. Democracy shut down and a right wing coup - aided by you.

You want "strong govt and a leader who gets things done"?

So they did in Germany in the 1930s when Hitler got the Reichstagg dissolve because it was thwarting the "will of the people."

Well you Brexiteers -

He couldn't destroy the UK - but you have managed it.
VeraS
30th Aug 2019
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When you say you who do you mean is it pointed at me a bit rude don't you think but then you are probably used to getting your own way but not this time anyway cant be bothered to argue with you as obviously you wont listen to anybody else as only you are entitled to an opinion just like Corbyne (probably mis-spelt )
Wilf
30th Aug 2019
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Interesting points-I wanted to stay but accepted the democratic verdict
atlantajan
30th Aug 2019
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VeraS - I was actually quoting what was posted by someone else (if you read the post carefully) as I thought they made some good points regarding Brexit. I also added a link to another website article regarding the vote - but it seems to have disappeared. What I put wasn't directed at you personally. You then seem to go on to judge me with some strange claim about me being used to getting my own way? Really? You don't know anything about me. And this isn't about me anyway - lol. How strange!
Lionel
30th Aug 2019
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Mike Harding, isn't he a sidelined comedian, or says he is a comedian?

If you want to quote Germany in the 30's I'd suggest you study the entirety of history from the end of the First World War to 1939. I have. It puts a whole new complexion on todays affairs.

What goes around has already come around.
Lionel
30th Aug 2019
0
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SannyFerrien
31st Aug 2019
3
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atlantajan
31st Aug 2019
0
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It doesn't matter who he is Lionel - his quote to me makes sense. Hence I added it. If you don't like it then that doesn't really matter to me.
atlantajan
31st Aug 2019
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Lionel - I believe you are making an assumption that I'm not 'up to speed' with what has happened in the past! You are wrong. We have Second World War Veterans coming out in support of the EU, saying that leaving would bring instability to the continent. I'll try adding a link to the story.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-referendum-second-world-war-veterans-come-out-against-brexit-a7019646.html

'Four war heroes, including the former head of the military Field Marshal Lord Bramall, have recorded messages of support for the Remain campaign as the Prime Minister prepares to highlight the human cost paid by Britain in bringing peace to Europe.

David Cameron will refer to the “serried rows of white headstones” in cemeteries in Europe in his speech on Monday to illustrate the historic ties between the UK and its neighbours.

He will say: "Our history teaches us: the stronger we are in our neighbourhood, the stronger we are in the world. "Isolationism has never served this country well. Whenever we turn our back on Europe, sooner or later we come to regret it. We have always had to go back in, and always at much higher cost'.
VeraS
1st Sep 2019
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AnnieS97
6th Sep 2019
0
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Yes!!! Everything you said 🙂
BuntyL
30th Aug 2019
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Give the man a chance, he is doing his best to get the country through Brexit. We do not need more extensions, Just get on with it.
MaryConcertina
30th Aug 2019
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I am really looking forward to having my asthma medicine held up at Dover because we have crashed out of the EU with No Deal. And the NHS is going to be wonderfully short staffed when they have sent all the immigrants back to their home countries. I am SO looking forward to that,
I also cannot wait to pay extra to get a driving permit and visa to visit France when it used to be so easy just driving over there to visit my family with no bother.
Of course, if I had millions in the bank I would be so upset to find that I could invest it tax free somewhere dodgy, like the Cayman Islands emulating Mr Rees with no need to worry about the EU wanting to stop me.
Oh happy days are coming.
DavidB98
30th Aug 2019
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I looking forward to Brexit as well.
atlantajan
30th Aug 2019
2
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Yep - medical supplies could also be seriously affected. We are all in for some fun times ahead!
RichardL16
31st Aug 2019
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Hi Mary, The first part of your post is hypothetical, you do not know if your medicine will be delayed. I have not heard of immigrants working in the NHS being sent back to their own countries. Can you reference this?
Having to pay for a driving permit and visa is the EU at work....blame them.
As for the millions in tax havens, the British revenue have been very active in tracking down money and disallowing tax avoidance schemes. There is no reason for it to stop when we are out of the EU.
MichaelJ89
30th Aug 2019
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The comments on this thread are so depressing to read, I think I'm going to leave the group. One would like to think that with age comes a little wisdom, but I have rarely read such a lot of ill informed, biased, Daily Mail and Telegraph inspired nonsense. Don't you people read anything else? Leaving the EU even with a deal is a disaster, leaving without one will be catastrophic. I'm half inclined to want it to happen to see what you old leavers will say when it all starts to go wrong. I expect the Mail will say it's Labour's fault. I'm out of here.
atlantajan
30th Aug 2019
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Just to say I tend to agree with you. So much brainwashing with the media seems to have gone on and it seems to have been successful to.
jeanmark
30th Aug 2019
4
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I agree with you and usually wisdom comes with age. However, sometimes age comes on its own......
Wilf
30th Aug 2019
1
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I think you are a little biased. I wanted to stay but this is a free country and a wonderful one as we are all free to debate these very important topics. The problem with Brexit is its so polarising. I assume you wanted to stay as well but to catagorise everyone who reads the Daily Mail and Telegraph as think is a bit rich! That's 6 million Brits-probably Scientists, Doctors etc. The conundrum is nobody knows what will happen in a year/10 years etc when we leave. Not you not me not even the brightest people in the UK.
Lionel
30th Aug 2019
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Jeanmark, the fact you've pointed out is true no matter which side of the Brexit debate we examine,

People say mind over matter. Well we've got the matter, where are the minds?
VivS54
30th Aug 2019
6
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The reason Boris Johnson is having to do this is to enable him to carry out the result of the referendum which was to leave the EU! All these politicians that are trying their utmost to stop him are going against the wishes of the people they are supposed to represent! We are supposed to live in a democracy but because the result of the referendum wasn’t want the politicians wanted they are going against it & keep saying the people should be allowed to vote on it!!!! We voted over 3 years ago so we should have left the EU a long time ago!!!!!!
VeraS
30th Aug 2019
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SannyFerrien
31st Aug 2019
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Bear in mind that the referendum was non-party-aligned and 29m constituents did NOT vote Leave, let alone No Deal.
JennyF72
30th Aug 2019
3
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About time to bring this circus to an end. Give us Brexit and get on with negotiating new trade deals. Give businesses a positive result so they can move forward instead of this horrible impasse.
SylviaM6
30th Aug 2019
3
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I agree with Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage, the people have voted 3yrs ago to leave the EU, we should have been out on March 31 2019 ,we must honour the vote to Leave , otherwise our Country is not democratic, the EU are not bothered about giving us a deal as they want us to stay in ,the moaning remainers have caused all this chaos.
Let's get out
GlenS6
30th Aug 2019
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That vote was anything but democratic. The Electoral Commission informed me the only reason the vote was allowed to stand was because it wasn't legally binding. If the vote had have been legally binding it would have immediately been voided. Never before in my lifetime have I witnessed such a litany of outright lies.
Lionel
30th Aug 2019
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The Electoral Commission. Mmm. Another corrupt quango, but this one showed it's hand in chasing spurious allegations against Leave organisations, thus revealing their hand.

I wouldn't take too much notice of the if I were you.
GillianT782
30th Aug 2019
4
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Johnson has made a significant error just weeks in. We are now all being mis-sold...fact. Prediction: he will call an election on 29th October...just in time...to keep his bum on his seat. Because the Irish border issue was always the issue, the inconvenient truth of this fantasy project that has ripped at the soul of our people, having endured years of austerity. Our young people have endured years of austerity too and potential missed opportunities already, to face more years still. Its a poor time in history when we have to take the government to court to stop this nonsense, when they have the confidence of our queen by one vote.
atlantajan
30th Aug 2019
11
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I disagree with many of you on here in not supporting Boris's decision to suspend parliament AND I hope that it can be blocked! Boris actually stated in a letter when he was seeking the support of the Conservatives for him being their leader (shared on Twitter by Antoinette Sandwich MP) that he is 'not attracted to arcane procedures such as the prorogation of Parliament' and that he 'aspires to be the Prime Minister of a democratic nation', finding consensus in the House Of Commons. He has done exactly the opposite of this! I also want to share these words here 'I hope I speak for a lot of Remain voters in assuring Leave voters that - we don't want to stop the UK from leaving the EU. Most of us, I'm sure, would be more than happy to let it happen provided Leave voters could come back to us with a clear path on achieving their goals - people don't wake up and decide they're going somewhere without planning how they're going to get there. There are a lot of people who voted Remain who are also not fans of the EU but feel the lesser of two evils is remaining until a plan exists that enables us to Leave the EU smoothly. There is no point whatsoever of jumping out of a jet if you can't tell me how we're going to get to the ground safely, and no, hiding behind a facade of misplaced nationalism and saying "we're British, that's how" is not going to work, nor is the old chestnut of "WTO rules" because that's already been debunked by the WTO themselves.'
bazward
30th Aug 2019
4
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He may well have said that he is 'not attracted to arcane procedures such as the prorogation of Parliament' but that is not the same as saying he WOULDN'T do it. Needs must when the devil drives. What his actions have done is make it EASIER for him to facilitate a deal if one is on offer from the EUgh, not that we actually NEED one. It silences the naysayers for the period when the conferences are in swing, and gives the EUgh an opportunity to come down off their collective high-horse and face the fact that they are going to have re-open the WA, scrap the backstop and renegotiate.

The Lords have already opined on the legality and necessity of not having to fork over the £39bn, even the EUgh has acknowledged that they cannot force the UK to pay. The sum was mooted on the promise that it paved the way for a trade deal. Maybe, if they gave us a suitable trade deal, we'd be amenable to be paying SOMETHING in return, but paying up-front before the negotiations have even begun is lunacy.

As for the old chestnut of "WTO rules" not working because that's already been debunked by the WTO themselves.', the ex-CEO of the WTO first said it would work, then changed his mind (presumably after his bank balance was added to by certain quarters). However, the CURRENT WTO management has agreed it WOULD work.
atlantajan
30th Aug 2019
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It shows he cannot be trusted bazward. I certainly would not trust him. What do you think will happen if the UK refuses to pay the divorce bill? See its this kind of thing that concerns me over the way some people think. Like there will be no consequences. Plus the no planning thing I mentioned. Of course you are entitled to your view as I am. I disagree with your view.
jane63c
30th Aug 2019
1
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Lionel
30th Aug 2019
0
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Some facts to replace rumour. Thank you.
AnnieS97
6th Sep 2019
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Yes again Atlantajan - with you all the way.
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DavidS71
30th Aug 2019
2
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PatriciaR72
30th Aug 2019
2
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Oh yes....enough is enough...I’m done listening to adults behaving badly....baa baa
Let’s get on with it...let’s make Britain Great again.
Let’s sort the Police and OUR NHS.....let’s no let people who have not paid into the system for healthcare get away without paying...no wonder the NHS is broke.
DavidS71
30th Aug 2019
7
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So NHS healthcare should not be given to those that have not contributed? I presume you would include children, those that have never worked, the mentally ill, the severely disabled?
SteveP94
30th Aug 2019
9
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We already have a system for claiming fees for health tourists. We choose not to use it. Britain already is Great, if we proceed on this path it will lead, in my opinion to the break up of the union.

We became a great nation based on industrial heritage and slavery, we have neither now (good thing about the slavery). How can a nation of 65m become the 5th largest economy when it turns its back on nearest neighbours. We don’t own any sizeable car industry, shipping, even our power stations are foreign owned
Mozza73
30th Aug 2019
3
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I would say let’s have some common sense in this discussion, All people that just come hear to get free healthcare should be made to pay the bill before leaving to return to there own countries .
Just look at the times children with serious health problems have to go abroad to get the treatment they need and the parents have to appeal for help from our generous public to fund them . They get nowt for free , so it should work both ways.
TerryM73
30th Aug 2019
0
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The E.U either closed our industry or in many cases moved it to "Disadvantaged countries" This country has been by the E.U for over 40 years.
Idoitmyway
30th Aug 2019
1
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I suspect she means health tourists and illegal immigrants
Lionel
30th Aug 2019
0
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Owt for nowt! Good old Yorkshire saying and so true. However, whilst some voices for the NHS say otherwise, it is over stretched in part at least by the extra burden on visitors, shall we call them.

I believe it to be a truism that we only value what we pay for. That which causes us to make a sacrifice to obtain. It is true of Christianity and almost equally true of public services. The fact that less than 40% of the working population now pay tax means non-payers won't ever appreciate that which the state supplies them, including the National Health Service.
Lionel
30th Aug 2019
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And they ruined British agriculture in favour of it's far less productive European counterpart. Don't forget that bit.
AnnieS97
6th Sep 2019
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PLEASE don't emulate Trump, it makes me shudder..... Just how do you figure that our NHS will benefit from a no-deal Brexit? We will then need a trade deal with the USA and they are drooling at the prospect of getting their hands on that.
VonnyL
30th Aug 2019
7
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I watch the docu on the EU and it was humiliating to watch the EU joking about the British people and Brexit with so much disdain..That did it for me and I agree with BJ.
Wether he loses the battle at least he tried..
If we have to agree to the EU and all its rules the voters who vote to remain will completely destroy the fishing industry what a lot of working class fishermen rely on..they are not millionaires.. 39 billion
filling their coffers not ours..So again Boris Johnson did the right thing...
SteveP94
30th Aug 2019
5
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Can you possibly think of reason for EU distain, just listen to any of Farage’s videos

If we take back control of our fishing, then the rights will just be sold the same as the quotas were
Lionel
30th Aug 2019
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Of course he did, take no notice of remain types. They've been either brain washed or bought.

Just consider Britain in 1937'38. Many, many of the aristocracy,so called intelligentsia and their acolytes wanted to appease Hitler. Today we would call them remainers. It wasn't o long before that dark angel and his henchmen showed us their real strengths. War, rape, pillage, mass murder ... I could go on. And our so called clever ones, including royalty wanted to sign us up to that?

Let's get out before the e`utopian fan gets too sticky.
HeatherB964
30th Aug 2019
4
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Change is the most difficult thing to do and for people to accept in almost every situation. Do not be afraid life will continue after Brexit. Any changes will be good for us and our country.
DavidS71
30th Aug 2019
3
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I agree there will be changes but largely for the worse. Can you give me one example of something that will be better?
SteveP94
30th Aug 2019
6
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I have seen the question asked in loads of forum but never seen a specific response. Just what area of your life will be improved by leaving?
Lionel
30th Aug 2019
1
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David S71 ',Can you give me one example of something that will be better?'

I will. British agriculture. Want to know more. Just ask.
SueL56
30th Aug 2019
0
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I don't care much what he does as long as he gets us out!
VonnyL
30th Aug 2019
-1
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I totally agree and so does this poll...
SuzanneF5
30th Aug 2019
5
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I am appalled and disappointed that the older people in the UK care so little for the future of the young that they are prepared to support what is amounting to dictatorship from a small bunch of wealthy people in Cabinet operating entirely in their own personal interest. The older generation will not be forgiven for their greed and selfishnes. I won't forgive them and I am one of them !!

The Tories have caused immense pain to millions while older people look on. Where has the humanity of my generation gone? Is it all second homes and cruises while we have hungry children living in slum conditions. I am very ashamed of my peers who support this tiny minority of millionaires because they imagine quite wrongly that they will be protected. When they need social care there won't be anything left at all so they will die on the streets with the rest of us.
Ldavies
30th Aug 2019
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So sorry, I meant to hit the like button.
Wilf
30th Aug 2019
3
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I agree with some of your points but to say we will all die on the streets is a bit harsh. The Tories and Labour are as bad as each other-remember Heath & Callaghan-3 day weeks-ruined economy in the 70s-Brown -totally useless. Afraid they are all buffoons.
LornaT13
30th Aug 2019
0
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And that all happened after we joined the EEC!! Thank god we are leaving the corrupt dictatorship that is the EU
Wilf
30th Aug 2019
0
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Think that is a bit harsh-I do not think a collection of 27 countries is a dictatorship-It is hardly North Korea! What the leadership should have been is more accommodating.
HeatherB964
30th Aug 2019
2
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Why have we got hungry children living in slums?? Anything to do with parenting??? I do not think it is anything to do with being in or out of the EU
LornaT13
30th Aug 2019
0
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Will I am just wondering why you reported my comment?? I did not say anything offensive or personal and the EU certainly do act like a dictatorship in having too much control over the UK as a country - just look at the current situation and the past 3+ years. For whatever reason you find my comment offensive then perhaps you might consider talking to me before underhandedly reporting me for no valid reason.
Wilf
30th Aug 2019
2
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Hi Lorna-Sorry I am baffled? I did not report you and I did not know on this website you could "report" someone? I simply responded to your comment. All the best.
LornaT13
30th Aug 2019
1
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Hi Wilf, like you I too am baffled because I received an email from silversurfers telling me that you had reported my post hence my response because there was nothing offensive in it. Please therefore accept my apologies for coming back at you with my reply which clearly was unwarranted.

Regards
Lorna
Wilf
31st Aug 2019
1
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Hi Lorna-No problem at all and no need to apologise-I think it was probably a "glitch or gremlins" in the system!-Best regards-Wilf
AnnieS97
6th Sep 2019
1
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So we joined the E.U ad it all got better......
Wilf
6th Sep 2019
0
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Well I think until the financial crash of 2008 life for most was ok
StephenJ62
30th Aug 2019
6
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3 years have been wasted by a treacherous and disrespectful parliament. He is right to stop the nonsebse and make Brexit happen.
Hughes_Keith1skycom
30th Aug 2019
2
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It's very clear Remoaners are using Parliment to delay and trash the will of the people. They insult our intelegence in doing this.
DavidS71
30th Aug 2019
2
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The referendum showed an electorate that was split down middle on the EU, not some huge majority in favour of leaving. The government reflects that split and that is why, in our parliamentary democracy, it is proving so difficult to reach any sort of consensus.
DoreenM65
30th Aug 2019
3
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Get it done.Lets leave
LanceFogg
29th Aug 2019
0
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I think that Boris is quite right to take whatever means he can to ensure we leave the EU on 31st October.
Wilf has summed it up very nicely.
All these demonstrations against prerogation of Parliament are phoney. It's perfectly legal and is very similar to what has been done in previous years. All this criticism is coming from the Remain camp who see their opportunities for stalling Brexit rapidly disappearing. They are trying to make out that Boris is going to lead the UK into a "No Deal" nightmare. What rubbish!
We are leaving on October 31st and if there is No Deal, the blame for that will remain fairly and squarely on the shoulders of the EU.
SteveP94
29th Aug 2019
13
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Come on Lance, don’t believe the lies, Parliament usually gets a 3 week recess for conferences, they can suspend the recess to work through the most important issue facing us since WW2. Proroguing parliament for the Queens speech is normally 5-7 days. Anyone who says the 2 are similar is not accurate, miss-speaking if you will. I’d say lying
Ldavies
30th Aug 2019
5
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Lance, I would be really interested to hear just why you think Brexit is so great. Please give me a little detail; how will Brexit improve our lives?
DavidS71
30th Aug 2019
1
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Don't expect any sort of rational answer. All I seem to get from leavers is meaningless soundbites that they've read in the Mail and fantasy visions of some imaginary bygone golden age.
TerryM73
30th Aug 2019
0
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watch the E.U fall apart within 5 years without U.K dosh.
EvanStabetsi
31st Aug 2019
1
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Hi Lance.

The late, lamented Frank Zappa once said "A mind is like a parachute - it only works when it's open". Perhaps, instead of reading the Daily Mail's opinions (it makes a point of not printing facts), you could try reading, say, the Economist, which this week has an excellent article about the erosion of democracy in Hungary. It points to rather scary parallels between what's happening there and Johnson's actions. The similarities with Germany between 1929 & 1933 are scary.

Sharon Harrison also has some very interesting things to say over on Quora (https://www.quora.com/Are-Remainers-unable-to-accept-the-2016-referendum/answer/Sharon-Harrison-106?ch=10&share=5260ffd5&srid=3Tag6_)

It seems that you express typical BeLeaver views: -

1) The EU is bad. (BeLeavers are at a loss to provide any evidence for this view, but they know this to be the case)
2) It's essential to deliver Brexit (again, Leavers can't identify a single benefit of any form of Brexit to the people of the UK, but we have to do it - whatever 'it' is)
3) 'we' have to 'take back control'. (Again, no idea who 'we' are - actually, spoiler alert, they're the billionaires, millionaires & political chancers who lied to you to convince you to vote Leave)
4) Everything is the fault of Remainers and the EU. Never the hate-mongers who stirred up unprecedented anti-EU feeling through their lies & propaganda to avoid ATAD (Google it). Or the parade of incompetent village idiots the UK sent to Brussels. Or the unprincipled chancers who are prepared to sell their country for political or financial advantage. Or the people who preferred to believe the lies that supported their prejudices, rather than ever CHECK THE FACTS.

One more quote - "It is easier to con a man than to persuade him he's been conned" - Mark Twain. Good luck with the destruction of UK Parliamentary democracy, Lance.
HeatherT9
29th Aug 2019
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I support Boris totally, at last We can leave the EU, just hope that Biased speaker doesn’t throw a underhand spanner in the works!
Ldavies
30th Aug 2019
1
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Biased because he is trying to uphold democracy?
SylviaM6
29th Aug 2019
1
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I support Boris and Nigel ,let's get out of EU , we had the vote in 2016 and it was decided to leave the EU
Ldavies
30th Aug 2019
5
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You do realise people were fed a pack of lies don't you? No one voted for a no deal brexit, no one voted for inflated prices, the devaluation of the pound, medicine shortages, no trade deals etc. Even the own government's research shows we'll be worse off.
Yes the vote came out in Leaves favour but it's like going ahead with a dignitas appointment after the doctor has told you you'll be ok after all. We need to change our minds, but that's democracy and we seem to be forgetting that at the moment.
DavidS71
30th Aug 2019
1
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It'll be interesting to see how much support Boris and Nigel give to you when reality kicks in.
reace
29th Aug 2019
-3
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its about time something decisive was done for democracy, 3yrs in waiting is long enough , well done Boris for showing some balls in government for a change.
spedders
30th Aug 2019
4
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What you have been seeing IS democracy in action - 635 or so elected people discussing and trying to agree what our leaving the EU looks like. The fact that you don’t like it taking so long shows your lack of understanding of how complex the issue is. If it takes another few months what does it matter to us all? Let’s get it right!
Ldavies
30th Aug 2019
6
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So the elected MPs, many of whom disagree with Brexit have been silenced right before the most crucial time in our history since the war and you call that democracy. Pitiful.
RowenaM3
30th Aug 2019
0
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How is refusing to actually do as told when the MAJORITY won LEAVE ... "democracy"? ... because to date democracy has been beaten to a pulp and they want to switch off life support. Finally someone wants to stop the continued fascist activity of parliament, and all the Soros-paid snowflakes go into meltdown. . People need to actually take the time to read and LEARN the meaning of DEMOCRACY, because the last three and a half years has shown as anything but. We have spent three and a half years under a treasonous bitch, who had no intention of taking us out of the corrupt EU, and who, in fact was attemptingto tie us TO her masters with stronger chains.
TerryM73
30th Aug 2019
0
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Most of the remoaners, son't even know who Soros is and they think the NWO is a myth. On top of all that there are the unelected and faceless men who make up E.U laws and acts. Who are they? No one knows. The E.U parliament is a charade. It's just there to bluff people into thinking that, that is where the laws are made. They can't even ammend a law. Now we have an E.U army in it's infancy. I think that it's first job will be to Depose Viktor Orlon and put a pupped Government in Hungary. The E.U. is now a connunist state.
Ldavies
30th Aug 2019
2
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I can't believe there are still people out there who think the EU parliament are unelected!
Edgeley
29th Aug 2019
0
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Yesterday the PM of Iceland was on morning TV. He fully supported Boris Johnson and stated that Iceland and it’s economy had gone from strength to strength since it left the EU. He maintained that the U.K. would enjoy the same result if Brexit happens. He said that one system i.e. the EU was not capable of looking after so many and varied countries.
He felt positive the UK would thrive and prosper after Brexit with or without a deal....as we had in the past. I believe this is what Boris Johnson thinks and so do I.
KlausS
29th Aug 2019
14
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Dear Edgeley, the Prime Minister of Iceland is Katrín Jakobsdóttir, hence she's a woman and secondly Iceland was never in the EU. I'm sure with your research and knowledge, you would be well suited for a ministerial position in the current government.
jacacc1210
29th Aug 2019
6
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Iceland has never been a full EU member. Iceland is a member of the European Free Trade Association (EFTA), a grouping of four non-EU European countries, and is also part of the European Economic Area (EEA). ... Iceland is a member of the Nordic Passport Union and the Schengen Area, which now is under EU law, as a non-voting participant.
Maybe if Boris could get the UK deal where we were part of the (EFTA) Then he would get more support in parliament & with the people. The way things stand he is acting like a dictator by not listening to his ministers or people and is going to send us crashing out without a deal. This has already affected jobs, inward investment into the UK. But one of the worst things about Boris apart from his continuous living and change of stance when it suits him, is that he is an unelected Primeminister, voted in by a few tories and not the electorate of the UK.
jacacc1210
29th Aug 2019
2
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Couldn't agree more KlausS.
JimB79
30th Aug 2019
5
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Since Iceland has never been in the EU you are clearly mistaken.
Ldavies
30th Aug 2019
5
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Iceland did not leave the EU, a simple Google search revealed this...
Iceland is a member of the EuropeanFree Trade Association (EFTA), a grouping of four non-EU Europeancountries, and is also part of theEuropean Economic Area (EEA). ...Iceland is a member of the Nordic Passport Union and the Schengen Area, which now is under EU law, as a non-voting participant.
And this....
Three territories of EU member states havewithdrawn: French Algeria (in 1962, upon independence), Greenland (in 1985, followinga referendum) and Saint Barthélemy (in 2012), the latter two becoming Overseas Countriesand Territories of the European Union.
All from Wikipedia
Spouting nonsense is dangerous as some people will believe you.
The fact that they have excellent trade deals really makes such a difference.
AntonyR
30th Aug 2019
1
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Duh ... Iceland has never been an EU/EEC member state and in fact, before the UK, no member state has ever renounced its membership.

Maybe you're thinking of the fact that Iceland applied for membership and then withdrew its application in 2013. It does, however continue to be a member of the EU single market, something that the Brexit fanatics are determined to repudiate. I guess that's an important factor in the strong Iceland economy.
TerryM73
30th Aug 2019
-1
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Expatt1
29th Aug 2019
10
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What do the majority of people gain from Brexit exactly? I find it difficult to understand that people are still supporting a process design to protect off shore tax havens when the very norms that make us “The United Kingdom” are being destroyed. Society is poorer for not supporting diversity in society, culture and trade. If you are a profiteer, the by all means celebrate but the rest of us should be weeping in shame that we have given these hooligans the right to rule our once great nation!
sylviann
29th Aug 2019
0
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If politicians cannot support a democratic vote they are in the wrong jobs and the way they are acting at the moment makes me worry about future voting will they try to over rule the people's rights if they don't like what we are saying and we become a country with a dictator in power?
JimB79
30th Aug 2019
4
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Proroguing Parliament is the act of a dictator. That is what Boris Johnson is trying to become. Nobody voted for a No-Deal Brexit, don't tell me you did because you didn't. It was never mentioned, all the talk was about getting a great deal, the easiest deal in history etc. etc.

You, and in fact all of us, were lied to by some very plausible people. On an industrial scale, complete with faked evidence and some very clever psychological tricks. Now that the truth has come out, some of us are very very angry about what has been done to us, and we're fighting back.

Unfortunately, some others still want to believe the lies, because they don't want to admit that they were fooled.
RayS28
29th Aug 2019
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I like a lot of people in the UK just want out of Europ. If it means with a deal we want then fine but if it's with a deal that Europ want then I am for No Deal just get out.
KlausS
29th Aug 2019
7
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Not sure I understood correctly. Your undertaking might be a bit tricky to shift the the Greater Isles of Britain on to the North American plate (the closest one available) to fully remove the UK as per your request from the boundaries of Europe.
Ldavies
30th Aug 2019
3
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Again I would like to ask, how will our lives be better outside of the EU? Some detail please as i am interested to hear the logic behind your desire to leave.
DavidB98
29th Aug 2019
-1
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70 million. Take away all those under the age of eighteen, all those ineligible to vote and The none voters then it blatantly clear that the majority of the population want Brexit
Expatt1
29th Aug 2019
3
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Brexit isn’t just a word. It means delays to the food chain medicine trade culture...make no mistake...most people will be poorer and a few will be very rich.
reace
29th Aug 2019
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Don't listen to propaganda/ scaremongering. plenty more countries have food for sale that we love, medicine has been short on and off for years, no one will be poorer but yes the rich always get richer, read what the eu have in store for us and you wont like it. lol.
SteveP94
29th Aug 2019
9
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“No one will be poorer”? If JRM gets his way with cheaper food imports (no doubt from dubious animal welfare standards). Home based farmers put out of work. Just one example, but I guess they don’t count. Can you explain any specific benefit you will enjoy being out of the EU?
reace
29th Aug 2019
-1
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Freedom of speech, boarder control, trading with rest of the world, able to send back illegal immigrants, and law breakers too, money saved from eu payments go towards NHS, HOUSING, SCHOOLS, POLICE,/EMERGENCY SERVICES, WELFARE FOR THE AGED, SOCIAL CARE, COULD GO ON but wont, can you name anything we will gain staying in, don't say grants for things because we only 15% OF WHAT WE PAY IN, and we have no say in any laws the eu make.
SteveP94
30th Aug 2019
7
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We can already send illegal immigrants and law breakers back. We have free speech (although Boris is trying to block it).

What we pay in EU subs, less the cash that’s allocated back to UK is chicken feed compared to amount we spend across all the services (NHS, defence, education etc)

Did you benefit from EU working time rules, info on cleanliness of beaches?

And to say we have no input into EU laws is another plain lie
JimB79
30th Aug 2019
0
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It is not at all clear. The referendum was won by a slim margin, and all the evidence since is that the country would now vote Remain.

Who are you working for?
JimB79
30th Aug 2019
3
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Easy. What we gain from staying in is free trade, and borderless flow of components for manufacture. The car industry is dead without that, as they have repeatedly told you, but of course you won't listen.

Second, freedom of movement. This is essential for engineers, consultants, musicians, lecturers, scientists, and anyone who works occasionally or on short contracts.

Third, agriculture. Most British lamb and mutton is sold on the Continent. If we have to compete on world markets, we're finished, because New Zealand and Australia can produce at much lower cost. The plan, post-Brexit, is to slaughter 3 million sheep because there will be no market for them.

Fourth, medicines. We don't manufacture insulin at all in Britain, and we can't suddenly start because you can't build the facilities for making it overnight. The same is true of many other drugs.

Not only do we have a say in EU law, we have been the instigators of most of it, including the Single Market. What you have said there is plain ridiculous.

There isn't a lot of point in going on with this, of course, because it's all out there and you haven't paid any attention to it, or you've dismissed it as Project Fear because you don't want to admit you're wrong. In short, you can't argue with a closed mind.
Ldavies
30th Aug 2019
4
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How about asking the question again but this time including the EU nationals who have lived here for years and have jobs and families here and British nationals who have lived overseas for more than 10 years. Many of the Leave voters are no longer with us and we all know the majority of the under 24s do not want Brexit, many more of them now eligible to vote. Let's not have foreign investors and lies this time. The majority of the people do not want Brexit.
Ldavies
30th Aug 2019
1
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Reace, I honest can't believe what I've just read! We categorically do have a say in the laws the EU makes. You are wrong.
ThelmaC4
29th Aug 2019
4
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He is trying to get a decision from the MPs by the end of October what is wrong with that. Democracy has been ignored for the last 3 years, it is beyond belief that Jeremy Corbyn is up in arms about this, he is an IRA supporter, he is not credible and don’t get me started on Bercow, an unelected, by the people, person who is manipulating the law as he sees fit though the role is supposed to be impartial.
TerryM73
30th Aug 2019
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Remoaners don't like it up them, Thelma lol
AlanaT
29th Aug 2019
3
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Firstly, the referendum was advisory and the result was not legally binding, so the Government could have ignored the result. Secondly, there are over 64 million people in the UK and only 17.4 million voted for Brexit, about 37% of the population. It really cannot be called 'the will of the people' when a minority are forcing the UK to leave the EU.
jacacc1210
29th Aug 2019
2
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Well, said and you are spot on with your figures as well, that is why 17.4 million people and this unelected Primeminister don't want us to vote democratically again.
CarolineS59
29th Aug 2019
5
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Where, exactly did it say the referendum was 'advisory', As far as I can recall, it clearly stated that the government would enact whatever we decided. 'Over 64 million' ? minus those under the age of eighteen, all those ineligible to vote and the non voters then it blatantly clear that the majority of the population voted to Leave.
JaniceW56
29th Aug 2019
0
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They had a vote like the rest of us, they should have used it instead of moaning about the result afterwards.
jeffsoo
29th Aug 2019
3
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But every voter had the same choice if you don't vote you have no argument
TerryM73
30th Aug 2019
0
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1.6 million of a majority voted to leave.
AnnaArnold
29th Aug 2019
5
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I think it is outrageous and do not agree - No Deal will be an economic disaster for this country and cause much hardshire
jacacc1210
29th Aug 2019
5
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The hardships have already begun and food banks will become a norm as our country gets poorer. We have an unelected Primeminister that is ignoring the people. In any other country that would be called a dictatorship !!! I see they are already calling him General Boris in the press, what next children as chimney sweeps again, Boris would like that.
JoanieH
29th Aug 2019
2
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At last we have a strong person to carry out seventeen and a half million people’s wishes. I’m fed up with all this talk about democracy when the hypocrites have ignored the vote three years ago. Well done Boris.
SteveP94
29th Aug 2019
3
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Remember the vote was, legally none binding. That’s the only reason court proceedings for electoral fraud have not been taken up. Also, despite Cameron’s insistence, when would any change to the extent that Brexit will bring ever be reasonable on a 52/48 majority. So many things wrong. If you doubt it then you won’t be afraid of a confirmatory vote now so much more is known
Wilf
29th Aug 2019
5
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Sorry but if it was non legally binding why are we leaving?
JulieBabs
29th Aug 2019
4
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A very good question... nothing to do with "sovereignty" (which we already had), something to do with the EU wanting to force rich tax-evaders to pay tax on their Cayman Islands-registered money & businesses. People like Jacob Rees-Mogg.
SteveP94
29th Aug 2019
5
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Exactly, sure if I don’t know. Except that JRM and his cronies don’t like the idea of disclosing their off-shore assets
Wilf
29th Aug 2019
0
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SteveP94
29th Aug 2019
3
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KlausS
29th Aug 2019
5
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To appease a few billionaire Tories.
GaryW54
29th Aug 2019
3
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At last a pm with balls
PaulineN41
29th Aug 2019
-2
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The country voted to leave, it should have already have happened. I hope Boris doesn't sell us down the river and actually gets the job done!
HonorW9
29th Aug 2019
3
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It's not about not leaving the EU, but leaving with some sort of deal, no deal brexit would be disastrous for this country, Boris is a selfish Tory just out for their own ends, not wanting to pay taxes on money hidden away in the off-shore accounts, that is what Brexit was designed for , so the rich could hold onto their wealth, and that law would come into effect at the begging of next year, wake smell the rat.
SteveP94
29th Aug 2019
3
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I believe, on balance, the best deal possible is the one we already have. All the crap from the leave side “easiest deal ever”, “no need for a plan B because they will be begging us”
Chris S
29th Aug 2019
8
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Sadly, your poll and comments only reflect Silversurfers, so not the population as a whole.. I am a pensioner myself but I see the benefits of the EU for our nation - the youth of the future deserve the prosperity and peace we have enjoyed in the EU for the last 40 years. They do not deserve to be lead into a Trumpist racist and hate environment and isolationism which will result from Brexit.

Boris was so wrong yesterday. We were known as the “mother of all Parliaments”,we are now the laughing stock of the world..
jacacc1210
29th Aug 2019
1
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Just love how you put your views across and like you I want to see prosperity and peace for our youth. The majority of people voted out on the immigration issue without giving much thought to what might happen in the future, short sighted view on their part. Our car industry is going down the river, banks and financial institutions have or in the process of moving to the EU, thousands of job losses in London and the South. Our younger generation deserves better than this, they deserve better than an unelected Primeminister that lies a lot.
RowenaM3
30th Aug 2019
1
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We have been the laughing stock of the world for over three years, dear.
And ... how has Britain benefitted ... open doors to invaders who have come with ONE intention, to make Britain part of an islamic caliphate. People who OPENLY state this FACT ... freedom has gone down the chute.
Christians are vilified and arrested. People who speak out are arrested. The very group raping murdering and grooming our children are "protected".
Murderers are now given a slap on the wrist. Paedophiles are now allowed to co tinue their destruction of children unabated. Crime has gone through the roof. Cost of living has gone sky high, whilst the standard of living has slid into the gutter.
The only people to benefit from the "free movement" are those with money, who could take their dogs "skiing" ... lol.
I fail to see any sign of "prosperity" in Britain, unless you are talking of how since the Brexit decision, more British people are working. Other than that, under the EU I have watched salaries get repressed, work be sent out of the cou try to places where cheap "slave labour" is allowed, resulting i
More people here battlingto find work. People who can be bothered are now actually concerned with the rampant rising crime rates.
MylesB
29th Aug 2019
2
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MPs have had over 3 years to urgently debate Brexit and have done everything in their power not to honour the results of the referendum. They have nothing to complain about except their own incredible deceitfulness. It's time to get the job finished now and leave come what may on October 31st. There is a whole world of wonderful opportunities out there just waiting for us to collect.
Well done Boris.
SteveP94
29th Aug 2019
4
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“A whole world of wonderful opportunities” with standards way lower than we currently have. You know why they dip the chicken in chlorine, it’s because they food hygiene standards are much lower and food poisoning is higher.
MylesB
29th Aug 2019
2
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The whole world is much bigger than America...
SteveP94
29th Aug 2019
3
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Remind me, what trade levels do we have with EU, Any idea where we’ll be able to replicate that volume?
MylesB
30th Aug 2019
3
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I'm just an ordinary open minded somewhat old person who wants to see the very best for our great country so no, haven't a clue without checking the web. But there are plenty of real (not politicians) experts who can answer your question and also find a multitude of good clean high quality products to replace anything we cease to use from the EU. Remember, leaving the EU does not mean we instantly have to stop trading with them, trade will simply be on world trade terms. Also they can't afford to lose our business so will wish to continue trading with us. What Brexit actually means is that we will at last as a nation be free (wonderful word) to chose exactly where we trade and who we trade with without any restrictions or Interference from foreign politicians or courts who appear to crave total power . Wonderful!
AntonyR
30th Aug 2019
1
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Yes, we will continue to trade with the EU once the initial chaos settles out and we start to put arrangements in place to replace those we're tearing up and for which no plan has been created in 3 years of posturing by Brexit enthusiasts.

But trade will be on far worse terms for us. Not only that, but we are throwing away the trading arrangements we currently have, as an EU member state, with the whole of the rest of the world. We will have to start again from scratch, and every other state we deal with will be seeking to take advantage of our isolation by dictating the terms of any new deal we make. They will be looking for a better deal than they have with us as a member of the EU; that means better for them, not better for us.

Of course, our EU partners regret that we are doing this and they will feel some practical loss. But for them it will be a blip and they will quickly replace any markets lost as they will continue to have continuity in their relationships with each other and with the rest of the world. Far more important to them than a new deal with us is to maintain the integrity of the EU's institutions. The idea that they "need us more than we need them" is a fiction.
RowenaM3
30th Aug 2019
-1
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Project FEAR is alive and well, in the minds of the truly indoctrinated.
chicargo
29th Aug 2019
-6
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We voted out we won what dont the remaners understand.
SannyFerrien
29th Aug 2019
9
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1. We were not given full information; we know far more now than then.
2. It is proven that the Leave campaigns were substantially and illegally funded, therefore the resulting figures were not a true representation.
3. It is wrong to believe that the Leave vote covered 'no deal'; Withdrawal Agreement is written in to the implementation of Article 50.
4. Nobody blinks at the idea of a General Election to vote in a complete change of Government every five years or less, when circumstances call for such action; so it is not unreasonable to put this decision back to the people, regardless of the reasons why it has taken so long.
jacacc1210
29th Aug 2019
4
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Well, said along with many truthful points.
RowenaM3
30th Aug 2019
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The REMOAN project was even MORE flawed, but is not investigated. More money was thrown at Project Fear Remain. ... and you still lost. Grow up.
madmike
29th Aug 2019
-6
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It is time something was done to get us out of the E/U, we should have left by now it seems to me that Parlement has been finding ways to block what the people voted for, and I feel Bercow should be replaced the gnome is a remainder so he has tried every trick to get what he wants. The remainders are saying that what Boris is doing is undemocratic and not giving a chance for debate, they have had 3 years already
StephenB78
29th Aug 2019
2
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All the complaints by the remainers saying Johnson is ignoring and riding roughshod over democracy are a complete set of hypocrites what happened to the mandate given to the government to leave the E U and the democratic right of 17.4 million voters who voted to leave
SteveP94
29th Aug 2019
3
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Do you recall TM’s 2017 plan to prove that the conservatives were on the right path reduced their numbers. It’s a hung parliament indicating the country is unsure what is the right direction
Seersha
30th Aug 2019
1
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It was advisory not a mandate if it had been mandatory it would have been illegal because of misinformation
SannyFerrien
31st Aug 2019
0
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The referendum was never a mandate; it was advisory. Given the majority of less than 4%, much should have been examined and taken into account by parliament.

I am fed up having 17.4m rammed into my ears; the other side of that, rarely mentioned, is 29m who did not vote to leave. Ignoring that figure is not democracy.

The following article is a couple of years old, but still wholly relevant:
https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2016/10/24/brexit-is-not-the-will-of-the-british-people-it-never-has-been/
jeffsoo
29th Aug 2019
4
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People have said that this is not democratic if you want this argument bring it on. What about the 17.4 million people who voted to leave the EU three years ago.
SannyFerrien
29th Aug 2019
4
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Yes, bring on democracy! -- put this back to the people, including the three years of new voters whose lives will be most affected by political decisions.
Seersha
30th Aug 2019
1
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What about the rest of the country approx 50 million? And how many voted for Boris to be PM?
Belal
29th Aug 2019
10
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Complaining about suspending parliament because need urgent debates things were so urgent they all went off on their summer holidays perhaps for once they should have cancelled them and got on with urgent matters
WallyW
29th Aug 2019
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About time something was actually done should have been done & dusted Three years ago wasting god knows how much money & all because the arrogant Political Elite do not want to adhere to the Electorates Wishes because it will end their Gravy Train if we'd been at war they would have all been shot as Traitors when we do have the next election I hope the Electorate remember the Remainers & what they have done & give them their just reward Straight out the DOOR If they love Europe so much why don't they bugger off & live There
JulieBabs
29th Aug 2019
6
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Because you voted to take away our Freedom of Movement. And just wait until over 260,000 British expats come home because they have lost their reciprocal healthcare, but the NHS can't look after them because all the EU doctors and nurses have gone...
KlausS
29th Aug 2019
7
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Matey that's a bit rich coming from you. Freedom of movement works both ways and Remainers can no longer move to EU countries after Brexit. So they are stuck with you on this island.
JerryC7
29th Aug 2019
0
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Think the prime minister is an ass to go against the will of the people. This like the U S in that the will of the people is circumvented by the Democratic Party. It doesn't get any better than this to show the will of the people is just not important to the ruling class.
SannyFerrien
29th Aug 2019
3
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Edgeley
29th Aug 2019
-2
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Parliament has had three years to discuss the EU. Surely that is long enough. Boris wants us to get on with the job and so do I.
SteveP94
29th Aug 2019
4
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There’s no clear understanding of what flavour of leave was requested. Our democratic system gives it to parliament to decide and they can’t agree. Perhaps another vote as suggested by JRM and Farage would be the best option
RogerC88
29th Aug 2019
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We’ve been discussing this matter for 3 years clearly there will never be an overall agreement between MP’s so let’s take the referendum vote and get on with it
hannafore
29th Aug 2019
3
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Boris has done the right thing. This had to happen as we were just going round in circles with no result. The MP's don't want a no deal, yet they don't want the deal given, so what do they want, when the EU has stated there will be no other deal given? It was getting crazy and hopeless. Hopefully this will get things moving now although i am sick to death of hearing the media whip up a frenzy every hour and every minute of the day.
GeraldineM46
29th Aug 2019
-6
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While I support Boris Johnson in this action and having read his reasons, Boris has stated publicly a new party and a new agenda to discuss, I feel this is not Brexit related. This is to install a new controlling power with a new Prime minister. The rest is scaremongering, surely if he wanted to stop Brexit, he would have done it to the 1st November. Think about this.
anniepassmore
29th Aug 2019
8
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I think he was left with no choice. May brought us to this with her surrender policy and thought she would get it passed not once but 3 times. She just ran down the clock so we remained. There wasn’t all this palaver & name calling then.
As for Corbyn I would not trust him with my cat let alone the country. He would have been a caretaker government that went on and on and on. Boris is implementing the democratic result of the vote taken in 2016. It is the will of the people that nobody thwarts democracy.
Why can’t they see the hardship and damage they are doing to our country by continually trying to stop Brexit, which was democratically voted for. They are the traitors not Boris. Loads will loose there seats at next election because they only won them on lies saying they would respect the result of of the vote and back our choice to leave. Only to get there seat and vote to remain. How can they even be allowed to hold on to there seats there should be a by-election. If they don’t want to represent there constituents and uphold what they voted for it’s simple resign your seat
Another election is on the cards and there days of walking all over there voters & treating them as thick, silly, simple people to thick to understand what we voted for are almost over. They will never retain there seats and the sooner they are gone the better. Anna Soubry Oliver Letwin Neil parish to name but a few. Letwin knows his days are numbered he isn’t even standing again thank god.
Here is to holding our nerve and letting democracy win out and leaving the EU on the 31/13/19..
God Save The Queen and Our Country.
SteveP94
29th Aug 2019
3
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Annie, you talk about the damage caused by the delays, I agree, but it’s no where near the damage that leaving will cause. The vote wasn’t democratic, the only reason the leave.eu are not in court for electoral fraud is that the referendum was advisory
Expatt1
29th Aug 2019
2
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What???why would you trust Boris Johnson, a proven liar and who has been fired by his own party only the right wing press has accused Corbyn of being distrustful...maybe you should read about what he really stands for from the man himself!!
anniepassmore
29th Aug 2019
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Because he is the only one to stand up for the democratic vote taken in 2016. We should have left in March if May hadn’t sold us out.
At the end of the day we voted out and we should be out. Why wouldn’t I trust him? I also trusted May which turned out to be a mistake. But at least a leaver is in charge now not a traitor.
KlausS
30th Aug 2019
4
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If you ever wondered why Hitler was adored and voted into power, look no further than the last sentence of your comment.
PatL56
29th Aug 2019
1
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We need to leave with NO deal we have given enough time to look after our own. These remainers (MPs) are looking out for themselves Not The country. So I say GO BORIS.
KeithK2
29th Aug 2019
4
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Look, and this may be naive of me, but when you remove the opportunity for the population to participate in, or at the very least, believe they are participating in the government they helped to elect, it is a foolish and dangerous proposition. The precedent isn't digestible and rarely emerges as a viable option to the democratic process.
BettyI1
29th Aug 2019
3
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The only choice left to stop all the others behaving as though they ar3e in a school playground.
RickyM
29th Aug 2019
1
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Boris had to do something to bring an end to the bickering and nitpicking in our Parliament. We voted to leave so he's going to make sure it happens.
ChrissyM3
29th Aug 2019
2
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Whether you voted remain or leave, the people voted to leave. On MY ballot paper there was no mention of leaving with or without a DEAL, it just asked if I wanted to remain or leave. The politicians who are obstructing the will of the people should be brought to account. I’m with Johnson all the way.
FrancesB18
29th Aug 2019
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Well said Chrissy I totally agree.
leighpipkin
29th Aug 2019
5
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People voted not knowing the facts . We have now learned our horrible fate and I wouldn't trust Johnson as far as I could throw him!
SannyFerrien
29th Aug 2019
4
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Indeed neither was on the ballot paper; but the Withdrawal Agreement is part of the process following Article 50; just one example of the sort of information that was not put out before the referendum.
Billythequiche
29th Aug 2019
5
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With apologies to those who disagree, yes, yes, yes. The country voted "out" in a simple "in/out" referendum. There were no conditions. Since then, the EU, the Labour Party, the Liberals and the SNP plus a cadre of Tory rebels with their own agenda have tried to thwart the result of this decision by the people. The EU will do all they can to keep us in thrall to their bureaucracy. The Labour Party, who were always anti EU, will do anything to try and force a general election. The SNP are only interested in a referendum for independence; ignore one referendum to get another? The Liberals will say anything to pretend to be a political force. More like fleas on the back of the biggest dog.
The cries of "undemocratic" and "misuse" of procedure are laughably hypocritical. coming from Bercow and Corbyn. That both Corbyn and the Liberals wrote to the Queen shows their shocking lack of political awareness but was not surprising. The most disgusting news was that Soubry had also written to the Queen, how low is this harridan prepared to go for publicity? She has no party, no mandate, no career and no hope. She is a disgrace to all the fine women who fought for a voice with their abilities.
FrancesB18
29th Aug 2019
0
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Well said totally agree with you.
Expatt1
29th Aug 2019
0
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Yes...they voted without the full facts !!
Billythequiche
30th Aug 2019
0
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By "they", I suppose you mean the poor, uneducated MAJORITY who voted to leave? That is nonsense and irrelevant. I actually voted to remain but, like a general or other election, I accepted the majority vote; that is how our democracy works. It is the behaviour of the EU and remainers of all persuasions that convince me that Leave is the only answer. The call to disrupt emergency vehicles and endanger life on the streets is nothing less than a call for insurrection and should rate a legal penalty. Democracy gives you the right to be seen, heard and vote, it does not give you to threaten others lives and livelihoods if you do not get the result you want.
I have not been involved in politics for many years but would do everything possible to make life for those who forced us to accept a MINORITY vote as difficult as possible.
JennyF33
29th Aug 2019
6
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Well done Boris, here's to success!
Seersha
29th Aug 2019
0
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Good god what's wrong with you all ? Our generation has totally benefitted from being in Europe and it's our kids and grandchildren who will suffer the consequences of this!
AshleyW1
29th Aug 2019
4
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Europe's a continent. We're not leaving it.
GeraldineM46
29th Aug 2019
5
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So you want your kids to join the EU army?
So you want your kids to have no say in the running of the Country?
So you want your kids to grow up in poverty because all our hard-earned taxes are going to the EU?
Name the benefits of staying in the EU, that couldn't have been achieved by being a free country, please.
SannyFerrien
29th Aug 2019
6
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Better an international peace-keeping army than our past histories with our neighbours.

Several EU countries have voting systems that give their citizens far better representation than does our FPTP system.

How do the child poverty figures compare with Denmark's or Sweden's? -- it is not the EU that lives off the backs of workers; it is CEOs, directors, billionaires who are protected by British/City of London legislation.

As for your last point, perhaps. But, sticking to known facts, the European Working Time Directive was the biggest boost to workers' rights that I saw in my working life; and American companies are already rubbing their hands at the possibility of trading with a UK with reduced food labelling requirements, for example.
SteveP94
29th Aug 2019
2
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Seersha I’m amazed at the short sighted views of so many. Who can expect a fair deal from Trump. JRM says go with WTO, that will get the worst standards on food hygiene, animal welfare and environmental controls. Too many people believing Boris’ lies on bendy bananas and ice packs for kippers
SteveP94
29th Aug 2019
5
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Of nearly 5000 laws suggested by EU, only 70 have been imposed by majority vote without veto. Name 1 thing that has been imposed that you disagree with. Working hours rules, info on clean beaches, air pollution? There are way more benefits to being in than out
jacacc1210
29th Aug 2019
4
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Well, said, but wait until Boris lets the US get its hand on our NHS, its ok for him he can afford to go private, doubt he has ever been in an NHS hospital in his life except for publicity !!!
He probably promised all over worked NHS staff a pay rise and our doctors a drop in 100 plus hours a week, you know Boris he never lies lol......
Expatt1
29th Aug 2019
3
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As an expat in Denmark, I can tell you child poverty is low the streets are peace and the very young, poor and old in society are well cared for. There are no food banks. My children go to the same school as the LEGO children and because of this the rich invest in the state system. The sons of farmers and taxi drivers can and do become doctors ...I have met many of them. Ordinary people are listened to and not despised for being poor. The Great Britain I loved is being destroyed by greedy chaos capitalism. Boris Johnson should hang his head in shame at the Faustian deals he must have struck!
SteveP94
29th Aug 2019
1
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Boris has a performance target to beat Trump for lies before Christmas
jacacc1210
29th Aug 2019
1
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Hey Steve you could possibly include his womanising on that as well lol.
GeraldineM46
30th Aug 2019
1
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International Peacekeeping is NATO, not the EU, We are and always will be members. I certainly do not want my children/Grandchildren conscripted into an EU Army.
FPTP could possibly be improved on with a PR system, but the politicians have to follow through the majority vote of their constituents, which is not happening at the moment,
EWTD has been improved on by our government and not the EU, Remember we rubber-stamp all the new directives from the EU, and choose whether to accept them or not. We are a market leader in EWDT.
Child poverty is a thing we or any other country will never eradicate. Sadly the priorities of our younger generation have changed the dynamics of Family life, and no amount of money being thrown into charities etc. is going to alter this fact.
Reduced food labelling? Why do we have the British Standards Agency, if you are saying the EU is responsible for giving us a better standard, Again the British food agency is held in strong regard worldwide, and has enhanced the EU directative.
On a final note, we do not have to consume any product or accept any product we do not want, No sale makes it disapear.!
GeraldineM46
30th Aug 2019
1
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Working hours rules are a joke. Minimum basic wage is a joke. all designed to line the pockets of the big companies, not give the workers a living wage and time for family life, most work is Part-time or unsociable hours. Why do you think we have a shortage of babies being born?
GeraldineM46
30th Aug 2019
0
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What about the TITP agreement being arranged between the EU and America, which incidentally Trump had refused to sign !! this is more of a danger than Britain entering a Trade Agreement with the USA, And the plans published recently of consolidating all the EU health service under the EU flag, that would certainly get rid of our NHS !!!
SannyFerrien
30th Aug 2019
0
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"The Common Security and Defence Policy (CSDP) is the European Union's (EU) course of action in the fields of defence and crisis management, and a main component of the EU's Common Foreign and Security Policy (CFSP).

The CSDP involves military or civilian missions being deployed to preserve peace, prevent conflict and strengthen international security in accordance with the principles of the United Nations Charter."
Also see: https://fullfact.org/online/EU-army-conscription/

Child poverty: the Danish comparison is enough to show the absurdity of your suggestion that our child poverty is a result of EU taxes.

From Harvard.edu: On the Rebound: Prospects for a US-UK Free Trade Agreement.
NON-TARIFF AND REGULATION

"Potential benefits in sectors like financial services are unlikely to be realised; concessions to US demands are politically fraught."

"USA will expect concessions on sectors like food, digital and healthcare. Likely to concede little. "
jacacc1210
30th Aug 2019
2
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I dread the thought of Trump or any US administration coming anywhere near our NHS, if it does then it will mean a lot of people won't be able to afford health care. I think you have misunderstood this as all EU countries will still run their own health services, so staying in the EU won't change the current health service. If anything you might find that it will get more funding. The biggest threat to our NHS comes from America as they have always wanted to turn into private for profit. Britain has know leverage what so ever with the US & their own secretary of state said the only agreement we would get would be what the Americans decided to give us, not what we asked for. As things stand Trump would struggle giving us a trade deal as the house of representatives have said that won't happen if the Good Friday agreement is threatened. We don't need to be importing meat or chicken from the US as that does not carry the same high standards set by the EU.
As for Boris I hope he surprises us all and gets us the deal of the century, but I guess I will dream on as Boris does not live in the real world as he was born with the silver spoon in his mouth.
So I guess we will have to agree to disagree on certain things. I hope you and your family have a wonderful weekend.
jacacc1210
30th Aug 2019
2
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Geraldine I agree with everything you have said in this post. People being on zero hours contracts not knowing what wage they have coming in from week to week. When they do work they can be asked to work excessive hours on a managers whim. They get paid the basic wage and not even the living wage. How can people plan their lives, spend time with their children and spouses. Sometimes it feels like we have gone back to the days of Dickens.
SannyFerrien
30th Aug 2019
0
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Now you are sounding quite leftie, and I totally agree.

Baby shortage: hmm... no bad thing. Anyway, I did my bit, but no more now!
SteveP94
30th Aug 2019
0
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I agree with what you are saying, I child mind our granddaughter, but how can leaving EU make it better?
SteveP94
30th Aug 2019
0
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Also, minimum wage levels has nothing to do with EU
SteveP94
30th Aug 2019
0
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What has this to do with EU. Our political system brought this without EU
AndreaF36
29th Aug 2019
4
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Well done Boris we are all with you, about time we had a Prime Minister with guts to do what is right for this country
GlendaS15
29th Aug 2019
14
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Totally support Boris on this.
The People Voted to Leave the EU 3 Years ago.
We are now going to Leave 31st October.
Boris is Prime Minister and also a Leaver.
I voted along with others to Leave.
We were alright when we didn't belong to the EU
Boris suspending Parliament is the only way that we can leave the EU.
Why should we put up with all the other Politicians always trying to block us.
The remainers lost and don't like it
Leave means Leave.
Expatt1
29th Aug 2019
1
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Why do you want to go backwards..think forwards...not in a past that doesn’t exist any more.
bob715
29th Aug 2019
11
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These people voted the deal down now they want a deal seems like it all about which side of the house you sit on ,I voted stay but time to get on with it ,fed up with all so called debate
jacacc1210
29th Aug 2019
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Boris is a born liar who thinks nothing only about himself and he he can further his own greed in life. Remember how he sat on the fence at the beginning before painting all the lies on the Boris bus about the hundreds of millions that could go back into the NHS. If we leave without a deal our country will get worse, pensions and care for the elderly will get worse. Do you think Boris cares, I don't he has already got his money locked away abroad, he also moved 25% of Britains money abroad as he knows the pound is going to fall. This country is in a poor state and will only get worse under the leadership of Boris and it does not bear to think about if Corbyn came into power as he is as bad. I feel sorry for the young people of in Britain that are going to pay for all this and who's vote has been ignored. The vote should be democratic and go back to the people if we vote to leave on a No Deal, then fair enough, if we vote for a deal, then fair enough, just as if we voted to stay in fair enough. I always thought that once a deal had been agreed then it should have been put back to the people again to vote so everybody knew what they were voting for if a deal had been agreed or not.
Britain is not the country it was a 100 years ago when we had an empire it has got smaller and smaller, now even Scotland and Wales does not want to be part of the UK.
Seersha
29th Aug 2019
6
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GeraldineM46
29th Aug 2019
0
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NHS millions, was an example, remember he said could not would, This has been proved in court that he did not lie.

Do you honestly think any politician cares about the people of this country?

The democratic vote was leave, a deal was not a vision of a brexiteer, this has been proven at least 3 times, politicians invoked Art 50, and voted to uphold the vote.

Wee Nicola has never wanted to be part of Britain, but is willing to take the handouts, and run a deficit, which no doubt our hard-earned taxes will have to cover.

Have you looked at the landholdings of Great Britain, try googling it, I think you will be very surprised.

The people of Wales voted unanimously to leave the EU, This is just politicians not upholding the mandate they were given.

What are you so frightened of?
dragonmyst1947
29th Aug 2019
3
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The vote was democratic the past three years have been spent trying to prevent the democratic result for happening. It was widely said in the run up to the vote that this a ONCE in a life time vote there should never be another vote on what happens as a result of the vote the choice was in or out we voted out and that is final.
jeanmark
29th Aug 2019
0
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Well said jacacc1210. I am still trying to understand why people consider that democracy is okay, even when based on lies. I also believe Boris is just a puppet for Rees-Mogg and his like, He didn't even have to courage to ask the Queen himself.
jacacc1210
29th Aug 2019
3
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I am scared of nothing as luckily I have done quite well in life and have the foresight to move the majority of my funds out of this country because of the poor state it is in. If you believe Boris is a truthful politician then you need to wake up and smell the coffee before it is too late. Boris has been caught our lying through out his political career, he is still lying and being caught out as Primeminister. He stabs anybody and everybody in the back in who tries to get in his way all he thinks about is himself, ask his wife and lover that. If this was happening in Russia, Turkey or any other country then he would be banging his fists and saying it is not democracy, that the leader is nothing more than a dictator. Just sounds like what Boris has become and who is not a democratic leader as voted in by the people of the UK.
I fear for the younger generation that could not vote. Everybody knows and understands that the majority of people that voted to leave the EU voted on immigration, that is a fact.
Ask yourself this when the immigrants have gone home who is going to run the hospitals, pick the fruit and veg, clean offices & hospitals they do a lot of the jobs that people in this county won't do. Who is going to care for the elderly, there is already a crisis in care now !!!
It seems like the people who are negative towards my comment are also fearful of a democratic peoples vote on if we should leave with a deal or no deal. I have said if people voted to leave now knowing fully what they were voting for then I would certainly agree with that as would many others. When we voted to be part of the EEC in 1975 which was won by a democratic vote of 67.2% to 32.8% that was supposed to be a one time vote only back then. So people chop and change their minds when it suits, as again this was a one time vote only. The difference back then everybody knew what they were voting for, where now nobody knew if there would be a deal or no deal and what the consequences would be. Look at what is happing in the car industry and all the jobs being lost, there are more industries that are loosing money and jobs because of this. Those jobs won't come back to this country, we have been sold down the river by government after government.
When we vote for our politicians we are supposed to believe in them and believe that they will do the right thing by the country. The UK public did not democratically vote for Boris to be the Primeminister. At present our political system is so poor that it is like the USA, Trump or Clinton, except it is Boris or Corbyn, none of them worthy of a vote.
JulieBabs
29th Aug 2019
0
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Lots, but having my children's futures and my country destroyed on the vote (based on lies) of a minority of the population, who don't even know what "unanimously" means, is one thing.
JulieBabs
29th Aug 2019
0
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Sorry I accidentally clicked the wrong one, please count this comment as an upvote.
Expatt1
29th Aug 2019
1
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A very patronizing unfactual post. How wee are you and where do you source your “facts”??
Expatt1
29th Aug 2019
1
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It was not an informed decision made by the people, who were not in possession of the full facts. It was therefore not democratic . Didn’t anyone one else learn this in school?
GeraldineM46
30th Aug 2019
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I did not say Boris was truthful, I said all politicians.

I do not think Boris is a savour of Brexit, and we will leave the EU, but I think he may have a very good chance of getting the right deal for Britain, and all the actions of the Remain party were and are the cause of the EU digging their proverbial heel and insisting on Mays Withdrawal agreement, we can do so much better than become a servant of the EU.

We did not vote to be part of the EEC, we voted to join the Single market as such for the sole purpose of trading, We were taken further into the EU by unscrupulous politicians, who rubber-stamped everything without consulting the British Public.
Brexiteers are not fearful of a Peoples Vote, but Peoples Vote's aim is to achieve us remaining in the EU and undemocratic.

The car industry is failing, due to May's insistence on Electric cars, and are moving out of Britain, to obtain Markets in more lenient countries.

Our system does not give us the vote of a Prime minister, and never has, that is up to the Party and their members to appoint and remove. The majority voted the conservative party as the best party for Britain, and remember Labour left a very large deficit I agree with you we do not have a party in a powerful position to please all the people all the time, and as long as we have parties with diverse ideology, we will win some and lose some, that's democracy. and usually works quite well, but sadly as I said before Politicians today are not thinking of the good for the country, they are thinking what the country can do for them.
MichaelJ89
29th Aug 2019
-5
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It's astonishing to see people who voted Brexit to restore our democracy supporting a blatant attack on our democracy by an unelected PM. Shame on you. This is how started.
DaveR552
29th Aug 2019
5
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171/2 million people voted out. He is going with the people’s vote. I would call that democracy. Who voted in the EU Leaders, I would call them Unelected.
SteveP94
29th Aug 2019
5
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Remember the EU election in May? Our government puts forward people to the EU positions, remember Mandleson (whether you life him or not) was on the trade negotiations
jacacc1210
29th Aug 2019
2
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Who elected Boris it was certainly not the UK public !!!
MichaelJ89
29th Aug 2019
5
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17.5 million people were lied to by this joker and his team. We are now just beginning to understand the extent of the untruths peddled by these people who have their own agenda. Just take a look at what his ministers said about proroguing parliament before he prorogued it and look at what they are .saying now, you are giving your support to a bunch of liars. This isn't the beginning of democracy it's the end.
Expatt1
29th Aug 2019
0
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He is not going with anything other than his own interests. By the ways all Europeans have a chance to vote for eu law makers. I am shocked that you are not aware that the eu is a democratic body. People seem to be so ignorant of the facts in Britain.
SteveP94
29th Aug 2019
0
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I think it was about 89k pensioners who probably won’t live to see the full effects on future generations
jacacc1210
29th Aug 2019
0
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Boris Johnston, Rees Moog and the other yes ministers have always changed there minds, views and thoughts to whatever suits them and there lies. When you look back on the news old news clips they are riddled with lies that suits their own personal agenda and not that of the nation.
DaveR552
30th Aug 2019
2
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I don’t remember David Sassoo , Donald Tusk, Antti Rinne, or Jean Claude Junker being on my ballot paper.
SteveP94
30th Aug 2019
1
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I think all the above were put forward by their respective national parliaments and were ratified by all the elected MEPs. Remember we had a vote for them in May.
SusanG49
29th Aug 2019
18
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For the first time in years I'm feeling optimistic about the future. The amount of MP'S who have tried to thwart our leaving the EU is a disgrace. At least, in Boris, it seems like we have a PM who stands up to the bullies in parliament and the EU. We voted to leave, a deal was never mentioned, and if the EU leaders are not willing to negotiate for something that is in the best interests of everyone in the EU then we must leave under our own terms. Theresa May bent over backwards to please them and achieved nothing. Boris isn't going to do that, good for him.
hsaplb
29th Aug 2019
13
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At the very least we will be spared all the prattling that has gone down about this emotive subject. Enough people have voiced there support in a referendum. I for one voted to remain but the way the EU has treated us and in particular Teresa May the sooner we are rid of the bigots the better. Short pain now but much better in the long term.
jacacc1210
29th Aug 2019
3
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Short pain now, tell that to those who have already lost their jobs in the car industry, Banks, financial institutions and all the affects this has on local communities. Tell those people who are going to loose their house or have to go to food banks to feed their children. Look this is happening all around, tell those people it is just short pain.
hsaplb
29th Aug 2019
-4
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All your comments have been happening because of no Brexit deal being accepted. The only way to stop what you have commenting on is to get Brexit done and the country can go forward to put your comments to rights. Otherwise we will be stuck in a time warp for a very long time with nothing getting done.
jacacc1210
29th Aug 2019
1
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I guess we will have to agree to disagree as I believe as many people do that country will go into disarray and many jobs will lost as there has already been. There will be little inward investment coming in as industries and companies have and will move abroad.
Stop living in the past this is not the Great Britain of old when it had an empire and we were well thought of around the world. I want our young people to have a future and under Boris Johnston there is not future not that Boris cares.
hsaplb
30th Aug 2019
0
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I will take your first sentence and agree to disagree 🙂 Having been on both sides of the track and an ardent labour supporter with Tony Blair. I have been Secretary of the Draughtsman and Technicians Union and fought for its members. Then i became self employed and realised what life was really about. Take care and enjoy life.
jacacc1210
30th Aug 2019
1
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It sounds like you have had a busy and full life, I wish you well and hopefully we will find ourselves supporting something else together in the near future. Take care & have fun. Just one final thing, whichever way this goes I hope it works out for all of us and the younger generations of our great country.
susanross886
29th Aug 2019
12
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My hopes & prayers are that Boris can actually finally get the job done & none of them self serving wingers & whiners in Parliament manage to put the blocks on again!
I think our MP’s & the EU have had more than long enough to negotiate. It they haven’t reached any agreements by now they never will. It’s just a pity they didn’t do as much heart searching before they shoved us in the EU.
The country needs to move on now & get on with whatever leaving the EU brings.
So many distraught people are still worrying about their EU holidays & wether they will need a visa or not! I mean how hard is it to get a visa.
On a more serious note, businesses need to know what they are doing & we need to get world wide trade deals in place. There will be short term inconveniences in leaving, of course there will be, & the BBC & other news stations will love to point it out to us every step of the way.
The sooner we leave & deal with any fall out that transpires, , the sooner the economy & peoples spirits with lift.
jacacc1210
30th Aug 2019
1
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Susan I think you will find more people are worrying about their job security and if they will be able to afford their mortgage once this is all over. Ask the people in the car industries in Swindon, Sunderland and all the people that supply them who are loosing their jobs. That also means no jobs for the younger generations coming through. They are well paid jobs lost in areas of poverty. Also look at the tens of thousands of jobs that have been lost on London in the financial & banking sector, again peoples lively hoods lost in an expensive part of England. Those jobs are not suddenly going to come back, a lot of those people will enter unemployment and won't work again for one reason or another. Those people with children are going to have to go to food banks for there food as they won't be able to afford things, then they have to tell their children Santa won't be coming this year as General Boris has postponed Christmas for those not in work. Boris Johnston is one of the biggest political liars and is caught out so often. He lied about Brexit and still does. He is an unelected Primeminister that the people have not voted for. He does not stand for democracy, he stands for whatever Boris wants and will stab everybody else in the back to get it as well as sell the country down the river. If he is so confident of Brexit and his position of Primeminister then let the people vote on that. Let him get whatever deal he can get from the EU and put it to the people along with a no deal Brexit. The people would then know what they were voting for, it would be democratic. When we voted 3 years ago nobody said about crashing out of the EU with no deal. In light of things people voted on the immigration issues and little else.
brianborofan
29th Aug 2019
-4
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What Boris is doing is totally undemocratic, he is diminishing the roles of the elected members.
VickyG1946
29th Aug 2019
15
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I fully support Boris in his quest to try to implemenet our leaving the EU. Remainers lost but won't accept it. The current Parliament is a rats nest of self-promoting MPs who I hope will be cleared out at the next GE. As for those here who keep saying that what Boris has done is unconstitutional well that's rubbish. John Major did the same thing but for a longer period when he was trying to cover up an inquiry into MPs expenses! I wish people would bother to look things up before they believe everything that the likes of commissars Corbyn, Mcdonnell, limp dems like Swinson and limpets like Lucas come out with. As for Soubry demanding to see the Queen well I laughed my socks off at that and I bet Her Majesty did too.
Expatt1
29th Aug 2019
1
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Where did you get your facts from? Before you answer the daily mail does not count. John Major doing the same thing!!! Well that says it all. Ps Corbyn may be weak but he is not after protecting the rich and turning the U.K. into a tax haven!!!
Bointon
29th Aug 2019
18
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He is fighting to withdraw from Eu which is the will of the people.
Expatt1
29th Aug 2019
0
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Really. The will of the people. That doesn’t buy it any more. Wake up and smell the coffee. It is about rich fat cats getting richer and fatter ...nothing else, just that.!
DeborahM5
29th Aug 2019
6
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Totally agree with Boris ..its about time someone made a decision ..well done Boris
AnnW5
29th Aug 2019
12
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We have to get this done now deal or not. We are making ourselves look like a joke to the EU and the rest of the world by keep asking for extension after extension. Our mp's behave like children it's so embarrassing. They just don't want to leave but wrap it up in lies and red tape, Where is our self-belief? We are a proud and strong country, we can do this. All remainers seem to care about is their holidays! Put the money back into Britain, with global warming it's just as hot here nowadays, There are some beautiful places in the UK. Flying is bad for the environment and too much sun gives you cancer so hey win-win.
olPete
29th Aug 2019
20
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At last another PM that prefers action rather than jaw jaw! Too many self serving MPs and lords holding this country to ransom!
Expatt1
29th Aug 2019
0
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Shame he is running the country into the ground with all that expensive education arrogance his parents bought him. His father was a eu mp I believe. The eu gave him his fancy upbringing.
annie h
29th Aug 2019
18
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Thank goodness Boris is doing what he said he would. It’s about time we stood up to the bully boy tactics of the non elected EU idiots and the undemocratic two faced snowflake remoaners who just don’t get that out means out, deal or no deal I don’t ever remember voting out with a deal attached. What would our forefathers think of these pathetic remoaners who think the sky will fall in without Europe behind us.they must be turning in their graves to think that they bravely fought for Great Britain and lost their lives to defeat the bullies and now this shower of cowards want to remain to be bullied by Europe.Shame on you greedy individuals who are only thinking short term about your own agenda. Think of your children and grandchildren who could benefit from living in a free country with its own rules and regulations and who look after their own people first. Well done Boris keep up the good work
Expatt1
29th Aug 2019
0
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The European Parliament is elected...words fail me. No wonder Borris is convincing in the face of such ignorance.
SteveP94
29th Aug 2019
1
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Annie, can you quote 1 law imposed on UK by EU that you disagree with. And while you’re at it, if you don’t recognise the similarities between what Boris is doing and the precursor to WW2 then your history lessons were a bit lacking. A democracy that can’t change its mind ceases to be a democracy
Wipeout
29th Aug 2019
-5
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Boris is just being Boris... He had no intention of re-negotiating an agreement on trade, hard border etc. A hard Brexit is what we are heading toward, this is his way of getting there and God help us all. I am more worried about how the country is going to be left for my children/grandchildren...I am too old to worry about myself.
pink rose
29th Aug 2019
-9
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Boris is in the process of trying to negotiate a new deal. His negotiators went to Brussels yesterday
If there is not a no deal (which is not a no deal but WTO deal) to fall back on you have no negotiating position. You will just have to accept what you're given which will be what the EU want not us.
Expatt1
29th Aug 2019
2
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We will have to buy our medicines from America - look up Donald Trump's views!
BillS42
29th Aug 2019
-10
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The man is a coward, afraid to face the people with a new referendum. He has his own football but nobody can kick it. Spoilt brat.
NeilF76
29th Aug 2019
4
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What are we going for the best of 3, if you don't respect the first vote, it becomes a total farce
Seersha
29th Aug 2019
2
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It wasnt mandatory only advisory if it had been mandatory it would have been declared illegal because of the lies that were spouted
NeilF76
29th Aug 2019
7
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All MPs voted to action the leaving of the EU, by passing the vote of articul 50, now the argument is with or without a deal to which the deal that was negotiated was rejected 3 times by parliament, so now we are in a position to be subserviant to the EU or stand on our own two feet.
The way the EU has treated our government in the 3 years shows their contempt of individual countries free will.
keithsooty
29th Aug 2019
-1
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Why should there be a new referendum ? Oh yes it's because the remainers lost and are not happy with that DEMOCRATIC vote !
Wilf
29th Aug 2019
2
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You have to admit though the information we were all given was a total farce. It is a pity the Torys did not let the population know all the facts rather than a bunch of rubbish e.g. NHS gets extra £250 a week..what a joke!
JulieBabs
29th Aug 2019
0
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Well, we have had 2 so that sounds reasonable.
Expatt1
29th Aug 2019
0
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Wow. Can I suggest you educate yourself about the workings of the eu.
Expatt1
29th Aug 2019
0
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Dear Keith. Especially for you. An informed decision is democratic one, an uninformed one is not. Brexit is not about winning and losing. That is for children in playgrounds. Brexit is about trade and while the eu is not perfect I i am certain we will not get a better deal with Trump. Or maybe you admire his driving the world economy into the ground.
ecarg
29th Aug 2019
-9
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Exactly parliament should have come together to enable a smooth Brexit.But their conduct is no surprise thas ever such.
Boris is enabling his own career as he sees it the will of the country comes second to his own interests.
Come the next election it will be very hard to vote for any particular party,but vote we must it is our only option.
HelenP36
29th Aug 2019
-13
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None of it makes any difference. He has outplayed the electorate. Its a disgrace and he should be held criminally liable for the abyss we are free falling into.
Expatt1
29th Aug 2019
0
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SharonC85
29th Aug 2019
19
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Well done Boris!
Outsmarted those who have done nothing but try to thwart Brexit at every opportunity.
arnoldbradford
29th Aug 2019
23
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Having worked in Belgium several years ago they disliked us then and still do, let us get out, Could it perhaps be that some of those wanting to remain are looking for a cushy job with the EU.
Well done Boris.
Expatt1
29th Aug 2019
0
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That makes sense...the Belgium’s are snobby so let’s get out of the eu. Please educate yourself for the sake of the country!
Philthesparky
29th Aug 2019
23
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If the so called Honourable Members had been democratic & obeyed the will of the people we wouldn't be in this mess ! So for them same people to say Boris Johnson is undemocratic is total hypocrisy . I seem to recall that a huge majority voted for Article 50 which meant they all voted to leave the EU with or without a deal . That seems to have been conveniently forgotten by our self centred career politicians . Many of those have jumped ship before they've been deselected by there own party & are now serving their own interests & not their constituents ,high time the law was changed so if they decide to change parties it has to be decided with a by-election . That way democracy is used to see if they are still representing the will of the constituents . One in particular yesterday when interviewed had the cheek to say that our Prime minister was only elected by a few ,! No prizes for guessing who that might be . Hopefully after a general election her & many others will be gone & forgotten !
SteveP94
29th Aug 2019
0
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I think you’ll find it was about 89k that elected Boris, hardly representative of UK population. Same way as Gordon Brown, remember what Liar-in-Chief said about that. Farage said a 52/48 vote would not be the end of it, what happened to that theory?
kentrix39
29th Aug 2019
26
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Absolutely, lets get this job done and get away from these blood suckers in Europe.
Expatt1
29th Aug 2019
0
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Yes it was evil the way they kept giving money to the U.K. please review your sources.
MargaretC58
29th Aug 2019
25
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Having waited for three years while the Remainer MPs have attempted in the Commons to not only stop Brexit but overturn the result, Boris comes as a breath of fresh air. Remainers claim he has been undemocratic, but it is them who are undemocratic by not accepting the result of the Referendum. They need to look frurther afield than the M25 for the millions that support a clean break from the EU.
Expatt1
29th Aug 2019
0
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And you supporting argument is...nothing. Nothing factual hear. Do you remember Cambridge Analytical??? They got Brexit through so democracy doesn’t come near it. Arron Banks has allot to answer for...remember him? Try an award wining source and not a trashy newspaper.
kenshipway
29th Aug 2019
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Seems the voting is EXACTLY reflecting what happened in the EU Referendum, where there was a 3 to 2 vote for Leave, so, across ALL age ranges, is NOT a TRUE reflection of ALL of those who could VOTE!!!!
VickyG1946
29th Aug 2019
12
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If those who COULD vote didn't bother to then as far as I am concerned they have no say in anything because by not voting they forfeited their right to kick up a dust. There are postal votes for those who are disabled but my money is on the fact that most were too apathetic or couldn't be bothered to do a factfind search and then vote. I have not time for such whingers.
kenshipway
29th Aug 2019
5
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In NO other country in the world, and in some cases in the UK, for referendums of consequence, if actioned, they required either 60% of people who voted to action, else 50%+1 of those THAT COULD HAVE VOTED, and the result of the EU Referendum, SATISFIED NEITHER OF THOSE, SO SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN ACTIONED!!!

By doing what TM did in deciding to Brexit, she has NOT just screwed employment up in the UK, when Home Secretary, with a £30,000 limit on salary for immigrant workers from early 2016, which is why the NHS, as an example business, has had its staff needs go from under 75,000 in early 2016 to now OVER 150,000, of which 50,000+ are nurses and 10,000+ are doctors, and, of course, with the dumb statements and posters by Leave about immigrants, and the racial effect that has caused since, many immigrant workers also left due to that and fewer now wish to come, when, due to MUCH HIGHER birth rates in the UK to 1974, than from 1975, from 1993, to likely 2039+, THE UK doe NOT HAVE enough UK born younger people EACH YEAR to replace the FAR HIGHER number of older people that retire, so immigrants WORKING has been how the needed employment level in the UK has been maintained, and, from 2009 to 2016, were the years when the Baby Boomers, born in their highest years of birth, were all retiring, so A LARGE GAP OF NEEDED WORKERS AND WHY NET IMMIGRATION IN THE YEARS TO 2015 WERE IN THE 300,000’S, SOMETHING DUMB DUMB TM JUST COULD NOT GET HER HEAD AROUND, AND DID WHAT SHE DID IN EARLY 2016, BELIEVING NET IMMIGRATION COULD JUST BE IN 10’S OF THOUSANDS, when would NEVER be that until 2040 or after, so, in now OVER 3 years, the UK is short of about 1 million working people MORE than it could have been, if TM had the knowledge she should have had to be Home Secretary, instead, not having ANY, she has just left behind one well screwed up Home Office, given police situation, the Windrush and MORE issues, etc, she THEN SCREWED UP WITH NO CHECKS WHATSOEVER BEING DONE TO ENSURE, GIVEN THE CRAZY BASIS FOR ACCEPTING THE EU REFERENDUM RESULT, TO MAKE SURE THAT THE UK AND FOR PEOPLE IN IT A SAFE BREXIT COULD EVER BE DONE, AND, TO BE CLEAN, NEEDS EVERY LAST ARRANGEMENT, AND THE EU IS IN OVER 600 AGREEMENTS, CAN EASILY BE CARRIED FORWARD FOR THE UK TOO, ONCE OUTSIDE THE EU, AS COVER ALL SORTS OF SITUATIONS, WITH JUST 3 COVERING HOW WE TRADE AND MOVE IN AND OUT OF THE UK BY RAIL THROUGH CHANNEL TUNNEL, BY SEA FROM PORTS AND BY AIR, AND, WITH ANY OR ALL 3 NOT PROPERLY IN PLACE, ON DAY 1 OF BREXIT, THE UK SHUDDERS TO A DEAD HALT!!!!!!

By the time TM ceased as PM, and still happening now, for the immigration workers fiasco ALONE, it is costing incremental £BILLIONS a year to the UK government, the NHS and Elderly Care, etc, could all be benifiting from, and alongside that, BREXIT is cost MORE £BILLIONS A YEAR, due to the continual LOSS of so so many companies, wholly or in some part, to the EU or elsewhere, where the taxes from them and people who worked for them is now being LOST AS WELL, more that could have been used by the NHS, and other needing parts of what the UK government FUND!!!!!
Seersha
29th Aug 2019
7
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At last someone who knows what they are talking about. Well said.
JulieBabs
29th Aug 2019
3
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Millions of postal votes turned up unopened after the count. And many were sent out too late.
Expatt1
29th Aug 2019
0
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Yes..the lazy gits should get up and walk ...not use wheelchairs (by the way..this is sarcasm).
Expatt1
29th Aug 2019
1
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Xpuggles
29th Aug 2019
-16
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Why is this lying cheat afraid of the democratic processes of parliament. He is a sly creature that is trying devious ways to get his will. What kind of hopeless politicians has this country got across all parties ? I despair at the choices people have today whatever your political beliefs!!
StephenA3
29th Aug 2019
14
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Love the use of the rhetorical in your post. Ask a question (but without using identifying punctuation) and then answer it. I totally disagree with your first answer. Boris is not afraid of the democratic process, he is afraid of Parliament using devious ways to undermine democracy and deny the legitimately expressed desire, in a democratic referendum, to Leave.

I totally agree with your second answer. What kind of politicians do we have in this country? I too despair of the choices we are offered in this country. Politics is now an exercise in choosing the least bad option. There hasn’t been a party that I can identify with for many years, I’m a middle class, self employed, white, heterosexual male living in the North east of England. I feel every party despises me and at best sees me as a useful source of tax income which needs to be squeezed dry.
OldFart
29th Aug 2019
14
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A.V. Dicey in ‘The Law of the Constitution’ (1885).

The scholar wrote: “The House can in accordance with the constitution be deprived of power [when] there is fair reason to suppose that the opinion of the House is not the opinion of the electors.”
We voted out, the Remoaners can't accept it, rock on Boris.
Expatt1
29th Aug 2019
0
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Expatt1
29th Aug 2019
0
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I am tempted to believe anyone who uses the phrase “ remoaners” hasn’t read a book. Could this be true?
SteveP94
30th Aug 2019
0
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That might be a reasonable statement if we had a written constitution
SteveP94
30th Aug 2019
0
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I thought our democratic process was giving our politicians (however crap they are, we voted for them) the right to decide on our behalf, that’s what all this taking back control (which we never lost) was about. Parliament is as split as the electorate, the result was too close to enact such a massive change, something Cameron needs to own up to
DebR
29th Aug 2019
17
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Someone needed to take control if left to the others we would either run back cap in hand or be sitting at an impasse in 2022
JuliaG27
29th Aug 2019
13
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Parliament have had an ample numbers years to debate Brexit!! They haven’t agreed on anything and have spent most of that time making politically, self furthering and populist statements rather than getting on with working together to find a mutually agreeable solution that is best for the country! The vote was to leave, get on with it!!!!
Expatt1
29th Aug 2019
1
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Yes get on with it and smash up the country. Who needs an NHS or to be the center of commerce anyway...there is always NY Paris or Tokyo!!!
brynawel
29th Aug 2019
-8
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I feel this fly by night liar is stopping parliament debating important issues that affect this country and it’s people. This could be detrimental to our country food and medication and this man is willing to pay politicians for doing nothing. This has been a fiasco from start to finish is not going to better this country in any way. It’s a sad day
Bcob
29th Aug 2019
19
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He did the right thing. The remoaners are only annoyed because they didn’t get to set up their pretendy ‘people’s parliament’ with Corbyn as it’s temporary leader before the government took this step. Boris is protecting democracy by thwarting those who are trying to thwart the Brexit process. He is also respecting the result of the 2016 referendum where 17.4 million of us handed the government the biggest mandate in this country’s history, to take us OUT of the EU!
Expatt1
29th Aug 2019
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Yes you’re right Bcob. Don’t think of the stupid people...they should be happy with their warm spot on the pavement and be glad they are alive...for now. Anyway...there is alway the local foodbank..wouldn’t you agree?
Jakile
29th Aug 2019
13
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Yes I think Boris has done the right thing,it has certainly concentrated minds !!! Parliament has had 3 years to discuss and sort Brexit out and it would seem are no nearer a solution,and it is shameful when people shout that it's against democracy and he shouldn't have done it, my goodness me what certain members of parliament have been doing and plotting is very democratic ! they seem to forget that the majority voted leave.
Jakile
29th Aug 2019
1
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Argh autocorrect,I meant to say doing and plotting is very UNDEMOCRATIC !!
Yodama
29th Aug 2019
-2
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Ha ha even your computer AI seems to be on the side of the remainers. We should disable autocorrect at once. 😉
Expatt1
29th Aug 2019
1
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Yess those evil remainers who want trade and medicine from the eu. How stupid is that...we need to make trade more difficult and pay stupid amounts for medicine.
Yodama
1st Sep 2019
0
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I am in awe of your knowledge and foresight Expatt1

I would love to see some proof that we are all going to hell in a handbasket as you state .

Whoever coined the phrase "project fear." has it spot on.
Nothing but fear and propaganda via heavily biased media outlets.

Latest fear Britains will be suffering Scurvy through shortages.
I am not a doctor, but, really?
ThomasM94
29th Aug 2019
16
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We are 3 years down the line , we're not looking at a deal that does the UK any favours , like it or not the majority of voters voted to LEAVE.
Over the last 3 years we have had ample time to debate , now the EU are being intransigent , unwilling to renegotiate a better , more acceptable deal , the backstop part of the deal is unacceptable as it would have interfered with the sovereign integrity of the UK and leaving the irish border as is with trade flowing freely across the border is unacceptable to the EU/Ireland , so after 3 long years the time for discussion is over.
Unfortunately some from the remain camp wish to show our hand at every turn to the EU negotiators giving them the upper hand in negotiations , so this is the reason to prorogue parliament.
The time to act , after 3 long years , is here.
GO BORIS !
Expatt1
29th Aug 2019
2
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Your long word use doesn’t hide the lack of any meaning og supportive argument in your comment. So kind of a vague non answer for the backstop problem. You are not convincing...sorry.
LynnH55
29th Aug 2019
15
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If this helps us to get a clean break from the EU then I'm totally all for it.
Expatt1
29th Aug 2019
2
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Do you know what the eu does? Maybe if you read some facts you would change your mind!!!
KateP9
29th Aug 2019
-10
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It's an abuse of parliamentary democracy - whatever your views on Brexit
StephenA3
29th Aug 2019
14
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The entire Remainer campaign has been an abuse of democracy from the moment the referendum result was announced. To complain about Boris’ tactics is total hypocrisy from the remainers who still don’t accept they lost the referendum and still treat Leavers like children who need to be protected from their own stupidity. Sadly I think the wounds inflicted on this country by the Remainers spitting out their dummies will take longer to heal than any damage Brexit might cause. Even after we leave the remainers will continue their attempts to destroy this country so they can say they told us so!
VickyG1946
29th Aug 2019
9
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Rubbish - John Major did the same thing over a much longer period to stop an inquiry into MPs expense accounts!!!
Expatt1
29th Aug 2019
0
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The remain campaign is about democracy but I can read that you are not a fan of that. Try reading the definition of democracy...it might enlighten you.
LornaT13
30th Aug 2019
0
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So why is the remain camp behaving in such a NON-DEMOCRATIC way??? If you believe r in democracy you should respect the result of the democratic referendum we had in 2016
maggie darkes
29th Aug 2019
7
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Ludicrous to expect us to beliece it has nothing to do with Brexit!
Expatt1
29th Aug 2019
2
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Grawley
29th Aug 2019
16
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Yes I agree, there has been enough debate on the subject of Brexit let’s get on, MPs are now screaming about democracy well what about them ignoring the will of the people, what about democracy then.
AmandaS77
29th Aug 2019
16
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Yes We voted leave and leave won .
Sue G
29th Aug 2019
16
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There has been more than enough time to debate and come to an agreement. It is time to follow the instructions given by the people in the referendum vote.
Irene926
29th Aug 2019
27
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Yes I fully support Boris. The people’s vote from 2016 has been debated enough; has been ignored enough. Now let’s get on with it. Our employees (the government) have got to deliver what we asked - if that means leaving without a deal, so be it. The undemocratic factions in this issue are The Greens, Lib Dems, and Change UK - all of whom are Remainers who want what’s best for them - they are not working for the people of this country who voted Leave. More power to Boris’s elbow. Let’s get the job done and move on. I’ve heard enough tantrums and footstamping from the Remoaners - NONE OF WHOM BELIEVE IN DEMOCRACY. If they did, they would go with the majority. THIS IS YOUR CHANCE TO SHINE BORIS. GET IT DONE.
JulianS6
29th Aug 2019
-6
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The people voted to leave WITH a deal. Not without a deal.
StevenH31
29th Aug 2019
2
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Really? My voting slip only had the choice of leave or remain.
LornaT13
30th Aug 2019
0
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I never voted to leave with any type of deal. The option was Leave or Remain and I chose LEAVE for the same reasons as 17.4 million other people!
LornaT13
30th Aug 2019
-1
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Where did you get that information from????
Wilf
28th Aug 2019
19
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I think he needs to get on with Brexit. I did not support it. I do think there will be short term pain. I do think we should have a deal BUT we cannot just let this thing drag on forever which it will do. We either stay or go. We have been debating it for 3 years. Lets just go and see what happens. If its a total disaster maybe we can crawl back into the EU and admit we were wrong. Love him or hate him at least Boris makes decisions unlike Mrs May who couldn't run a bath and all Corbyn is is a total windbag-that chap has never done a decent days work in his life-typical champagne socialist.
Hanleigh
28th Aug 2019
11
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Bald123
28th Aug 2019
-9
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This is a total outrange! The UK is not some tinpot country, some authoritarian dictatorship, some joke ruled by a president-This is the mother of democracy.What on earth does Boris think he is doing? We know and he knows-he is trying to stifle debate and it is just not cricket. If the UK with our history of debate and democracy allows this I am afraid for us all. Stop the rot-let Parliament debate Bexit Boris. What are you afraid of ? loosing the debate?...I may add I am a lifelong Tory as well and I am ashamed.
Hanleigh
28th Aug 2019
19
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We threw democracy out of the window three years ago when parliament refused to carry out the will of the people because they didn’t like the result of the vote.
Irene926
29th Aug 2019
14
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I absolutely agree with you. Let’s get the job done. We can’t keep kow-towing to a minority.
LornaT13
29th Aug 2019
11
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Parliament has been debating this for the past 3 years without success and without being able to move forward for what the people voted for. This is the only option that will allow us to leave on the 31st May otherwise parliament will be debating, arguing and scheming for years to come. We had a democratic people's vote in 2016 - the people voted to leave - that is democracy. Whatever the opinions of the remain camp, a democratic vote must be respected, sadly Theresa May wasted 3 valuable years trying to,keep everyone happy but it did not work. Therefore we now have a prime minister who final,y has a backbone and is determined to honour the results of the referendum result and if proroguing is the only way to do it then that is exactly what has to be done. The country has had enough - we have to deliver Brexit but constant debating just isn't going to do it.
StephenA3
29th Aug 2019
0
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I am ashamed that politics in this country is now so corrupt and the political class so out of touch with many of the people they claim to represent that the Remainers are still resisting the results of a democratic process because they didn’t get the result they wanted. Many people voted Leave because they saw their future and their children’s future as hopeless and so ANYTHING was better than continuing on the path this country was currently on, All political parties in this country represent the ruling class and none represent the ordinary man or woman in the street. Tories look after old money and Labour new money, no one looks after the people with no money and they all hate the middle class.
Wilf
29th Aug 2019
9
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But the middle class is about 70% of the population? I think a lot of this type of profiling has changed. I came from a poor background but have not voted Labour.
DaveR552
29th Aug 2019
4
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If you don’t like the idea of being ruled by a President why do you want the EU.
David Sassoon President of European Parliament.
Donald Tusk. President of the European Council
Anti Rinne. President of the Council of European Union
Jean Claude Junker. President of the European Commission
Mario Draghi President of the European Central Bank
Klaus Heiner Lehne President of European Court of Auditors
None of the above are in their positions having been voted in by me.

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