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Is the ‘Naughty’ label not nice?

Isolating a child by sending them to the ‘naughty corner’ or ‘naughty step’ has been an effective way to promote discipline since the banning of smacking, and was introduced by Super Nanny, Jo Frost.

It was also once a popular way for nursery teachers to discipline misbehaving toddlers.

But the “naughty step” is becoming a thing of the past, with nurseries saying that they no longer use the term due to its “negative connotations”.

The majority (60 per cent) of nurseries said they do not agree with having a “naughty step”, according to a poll of 1,000 owners, managers and staff conducted by the review site daynurseries.co.uk.

The survey found that 74 per cent rejected the use of the“naughty step” – where children are asked to sit in a particular place and reflect on their actions – as a method for controlling bad behaviour.

Apparently, labelling a child as ‘naughty’ may cause them to view themselves in a negative light, Instead, we should invite children to consider the consequences of their actions in a mature, grown-up discussion.

What are your views on discipline?  How did you discipline your own children and how do you discipline your grandchildren? How do you feel about using the word ‘naughty’ to highlight unacceptable behaviour? What are your views on levels of discipline in general with today’s children?

Is the 'Naughty' label not nice?

339 people have already voted, what's your opinion? Naughty is an appropriate term to use Naughty gives negative connotations

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CalgarySurfer
6 days ago
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I couldn't agree more. I've never been an advocate of treating children with less respect than I'd treat anyone else. That being said, if they're acting out in a hostile manner, how would we deal with anyone else?

For me the key is to engage negative behavior with an appropriately measured response that leads the person to their own conclusion about how to best behave.

Leaving someone you are responsible for alone in a corner or a stairway isn't likely to be as effective at accomplishing this as positive and proactive engagement.
Alicia
12th Jul 2019
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If they are naughty tell them !
More discipline is needed for children.
Sharin
9th Jul 2019
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Children are neither mature or grown up. By the time they are mature and grown up they should have been taught the foundations of good and bad behaviour, as in appropriate and naughty behaviour. It is normal for children to be “naughty”, they are learning what is and isn’t acceptable behaviour in life. We need to stop overthinking everything and trying so, so hard to be politically correct. Not every we’ve done over the years is wrong
Billythequiche
9th Jul 2019
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I despair of the lack of common sense and for the generation who are now children. GORDON BENNET, they SHOULD know that naughty means that they they have behaved as they should not have done. Children must have boundaries, they must br taught what is accepted and what is not. What the hell are we coming to (sorry). It is ok to pump a child full of drugs to alter their biology and tell them that they can be whatever gender they fancy before they are aware of the difference; or the same if they are labeled as having ADD or the latest fad; but not taught discipline and behaviour?????
Lionel
9th Jul 2019
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Well said Billy.

Two things bother me about this sort of lunacy. First, how easy it is for a single member of the public to so greatly influence general opinion. Too easy. On social media any sort of hogwash can pass as educated, informed opinion and be generally accepted as a fact. But no one may be held to account.

Second, I just wonder who will take responsibility when all this rubbish comes home to roost; being found out for what it is but far too late? If I had been caught clipping my step grandson around the ear (can't do it now, he's a full foot taller than me) then the law would step in and nail my backside to the nearest church door. But his mother following Dr Benjamin Spock or later lunacies would receive a peerage for being progress and innovative. OK, the Lords is full of that sort.

What do you think Billy?
Billythequiche
10th Jul 2019
1
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How right you are Lionel. Unfortunately, it is not just social media that is to blame. Main stream media can no longer be trusted to pour scorn on ludicrous or even dangerous minority voices that influence far beyond their ability to see anything beyond short term views. Most of these views are not based on fact, or research ,or scholarship, or even sincerely held beliefs; they are based, most often, on political correctness or the hope of fleeting fame/notoriety. Was it Andy Warhol who said "everyone will be famous for 15 minutes"? In the age of Big Brother and Love Island we should not be surprised. In reality, we cannot return to dads with belts. prefects with canes or bobbies with rolled up capes, but we must surely return to some acceptable level of behaviour and discipline and how to teach and maintain it. I could not be an arbiter, I would start by sacking the speaker and half of the members of parliament and then telling teachers that if they are not prepared to act "in loco parentis" they should leave and get a job with no responsibilities and much less pay.
Lionel
7th Jul 2019
1
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Maybe I'm old fashioned but shouldn't we be equipping our young folk to deal with the world they'll one day inhabit?

Wherever we look it's not a nice world. Nowhere, it seems to me, is there a place for the tender hearted youngster, or the weak. Nowhere for the fragile soul or one raised to believe the world around them is no more menacing than Disney on steroids.

Surely, adults bickering about which word ought to be used to children to mark their bad behaviour is just being more child like than the kids they're suposed to be disciplining.

I'm by no means suggesting we should be turning out villainous, knife wielding barbarians, no, but surely we ought to be gearing them up to face real life, life as it is and not life as we would want it to be for them.

Best idea? Sack all the experts and rely on that ancient, mystical art of, wait for it ... Common sense.
jeanmark
7th Jul 2019
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Must be a good way of teaching right from wrong, my great nephews and nieces send both mum and dad to the naughty step if they consider they have misbehaved - they have even sent me when I have inadvertently used a banned word!
Rosedeb
4th Jul 2019
5
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It seems to me that the state of society today, with knife crime and violence becoming the norm life seeming to be cheap, comes from lack of discipline in young people, I do not advocate beating children as happened to us older people when we were young but boundaries have to be defined, if a child is never punished if they are naughty then how can they learn the difference between right and wrong. You only have to watch these fly on the wall documentaries on TV, when the police try and arrest youngsters how they scream and carry on, they have no respect for authority, while the youngsters who are brought up with respect and consideration for others are the victims of these fiends.
Lionel
4th Jul 2019
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Common sense Rosedeb but very sadly the likes of you and I are few and far between.
Len33
6th Jul 2019
2
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As a result of meddling from 'those who think they know best,'
we have ended up with a massive, massive problem that has grown over time.
I'm not interested if people agree with me, or not, but taking the cane out school was a huge mistake.
The fact that it was there to be used, was (In most cases) sufficient to make a person think twice about doing something that they already knew was wrong.
Yes, there will always be someone punished for doing something that they did not do.
That, however, exists in all areas of life and not just in school.
In London today, we have quite a few murderers freely walking the streets. Murderers that will never be brought to justice and these people will presumably go on to kill again.
Nobody will ever know, except the individual concerned.
They are people from a generation that 'do as they want to' and God help anyone that thinks any different, or gets in the way.
When the cane was taken away from use in schools, it wasn't done to protect the pupils.
No, it was the greedy teachers' trying to cement their employment by letting all the parents be aware that their 'little treasure' would be wrapped in cotton wool.
Well, teachers,' thank you very much, well done.
You have helped to create a world of social misfits that have all the legal protection that 'the system' provides for ................at everyone else's expense.
I'm certainly not blaming the teachers' for every breakdown in discipline, because it should be taught at home as well.................it's a two way thing.
However, there are many recalcitrant parents out there; so things will only get worse because, guess which era they grew up in!
Bikergran666
3rd Jul 2019
2
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Altho’ we have become boring old farts that criticise everything done by the younger generation we need to remember that not ALL children act terribly!!! It’s not an easy world out there and children need to express themselves.

It’s no good saying, ‘well it wasn’t like this in my day’

Well I say, ‘GET OVER IT’

Not all children are bad! Rant over ........ :-/
stanleyk
4th Jul 2019
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But it's not saying all children are bad
Bikergran666
4th Jul 2019
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Your right StanleyK it’s not, but

Most of the comments made about children on this page are very negative.

I get fed up with constant negativity.

I’m just making my point like everyone else.

Have a great day. 🙂
stanleyk
4th Jul 2019
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Wow, how have you survived so long. Why see it as negative. If it's correcting them and making them more responsible adults then its a positive.
Bikergran666
4th Jul 2019
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Using my sense of humour, thank goodness I still have it! 🙂

Life is so short so I’m off to get one! 🙂

Have fun
Len33
6th Jul 2019
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"Boring old farts"? (Charming)
Well, speak for yourself, I certainly do not fit in with that.
Everyone needs to express themselves, not just children.
However, decency and consideration has to be part of it.
PamG1
3rd Jul 2019
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No problem with the word naughty but you need to label the unacceptable behaviour. I always told my children that I loved them no matter what BUT the way they were behaving was not acceptable because .......... They also knew the consequences because these also were clearly explained.
Biddybee
2nd Jul 2019
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There has to be a way for children to know that bad behaviour has to be controlled.
mercury
2nd Jul 2019
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Heaven forbid we should use negative words to precious children. They're all special, beautiful, lovely, well behaved and oh yes - any sporting events must allow all participants to be winners, even if they're patently 100 metres behind everyone else.

No wonder today's young people think themselves above the law and entitled to the world.
ConnieB9
3rd Jul 2019
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I agree but where will it end
terrygill
2nd Jul 2019
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Children thrive when they have boundaries and proper discipline, they need to know their parents are in charge, undisciplined children are a nightmare, I'm not talking about physical punishment but proper right and wrong from a young age. Right and wrong principles from the very start.
ladywag
2nd Jul 2019
6
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I work in a public building, a library, the results of these undisciplined years for children, as I see daily, is a generation that believe they can literally "do no wrong" - Whilst a great deal of people are still respectful of others, there is a vast part of young society that believe they are untouchable and that it is their "right" to be able to do, speak and act axactly as they please.
This often manifests itself in averbal and even physical abuse of others, for which they believe there will be no repercussion. Sadly for the recipient of the abuse, they are often correct!
Lionel
2nd Jul 2019
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So well said ladybug. I see much the same in a very small and very old market town near me.

May God help us if we ever need to fight a boots on the ground war again, and I believe we will.
PamG1
3rd Jul 2019
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Need to learn that rights also come with responsibilities.
Lionel
4th Jul 2019
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How true! But the generation that could have taught that is now old and largely ignored. Our experiences and views just don't suit our education establishment's agenda.

But, like so many of those whose good ideas have been implemented they don;t have to live with the mayhem they've created.
PamG1
4th Jul 2019
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I worked in a school and from the start all children were taught what was acceptable behaviour and what the consequences were if this was breached. It doesn’t take long for them to learn and conform but there needs to be consistency . Everyone involved needs to implement the policy.
Bikergran666
1st Jul 2019
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My father who was a very gentle man told me when I got married.

Remember your children are a guest in your house, you're not a guest in there’s.

Children need discipline.
keithdot1
1st Jul 2019
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I don't like the word naughty it does not fit in today.
If a child has done wrong or not conformed you do not need the slap wrist or leg.
It's better to deprive them from their favourite things and these days it's the mobile phone or other similar gadgets.
Lionel
1st Jul 2019
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You leave me speechless.
stanleyk
4th Jul 2019
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Why does it not fit in today?
Lionel
4th Jul 2019
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Stanley, naughty as a word is not PC and is being edited out of our vocabulary. God knows what these 'do gooders' would make of my school and young life.
DipsyDitsy
1st Jul 2019
2
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Naughty is a label. Discipline has connotations too. Try talking with the child. I've worked with children of all age groups and in lots of different settings, I have my own children and grandchildren so I do have lots of experience of working with children. Try listening to them.
KayB63
1st Jul 2019
5
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There's nothing wrong with using the word naughty to describe behaviour, not the child. Children need boundaries, and to recognise when their behaviour has become unacceptable. Personally, I don't think having a naughty step works very well in any event. Taking treats away is more of an incentive for good behaviour.
J of Kirton
1st Jul 2019
5
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We have to be told what is right and wrong from a very early age otherwise we would have an anarchy, and this is beginning to happen in our towns etc. where even those in authority are frightened to say anything against the 'little darlings' I'm all for discipline and control by grown ups who can teach the rights and wrongs.
Yodama
1st Jul 2019
4
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Someone had better let Santa Clause know.
He will have to amend his list if he can't say naughty!
?? or......Nice.
good -bad
naughty- nice.

What happens to these hothouse children when they are thrown into the cut-throat corporate world of business or politics. They have to be tough and there will be enough people telling them they are naughty in stronger terms.

Too much interference in bringing up children today. I feel sure their schoolchums are not as bothered about protecting their delicate feelings. Playgrounds and bullying can destroy a childs self worth.
Cruel world out there, better to let them toughen up.
If they are being naughty, they must know it.
Marley444
1st Jul 2019
6
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I have a huge concern over the disciplining of children today. One of my daughters is a Primary School teacher in London, and far too much of her time is spent 'crowd controlling' rather than teaching. I hear stories of unacceptable behaviour in the classroom, with limited sanctions allowed which still leaves the child unpunished and calling the shots! Discipline and respect are initially learned at home, however they don't seem to be taught these days in some homes. I do worry that our nanny state is constantly making everything child-centred letting children lead the way ... this is even now a theme for baby-led weaning (means forgetting purees and weaning spoons, and simply letting your baby feed himself) and don't get me started on Child-Led Bedtimes. I think adults need to take back control and there should be a greater focus on discipline. I always had a naughty corner and a naughty stair and it worked just fine ... no one enjoys being excluded and that is the purpose of this form of discipline.
Wilf
1st Jul 2019
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I don't see any problem with this at all. We had discipline off my dad and my brothers and I all worked out fine although we were skallywags when younger-chucking stones at neighbours windows and cars etc-but boys will be boys. A good clip round the ear soon sorted us out-right from wrong-simples!
Lionel
4th Jul 2019
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Simples yes Wilf, but perhaps a little too simples. If it's quick and easy then complicate it and screw society on the way.
HappyHippie
1st Jul 2019
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how are they going to learn what is or isn't acceptable, or are we suppose to to wait until they are complete brats before we show them/teach them how to behave
Marley444
1st Jul 2019
1
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I agree - and then it is far too late! They need to learn when they are toddlers.
Retiredyorkie
1st Jul 2019
2
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These discussions can go on for ever

Do you let a child stick a finger in a electric socket and then sit and explain that was not a good thing to do. A sharp tap on a hand as it reaches towards the socket is a good reminder not an explanation why that is naughty an explanation is soon forgotten by a young child.

Let parents bring up their children in the way they wish too not have full political debates on what parents should and should not do.
Mary Lincoln
1st Jul 2019
5
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When I was a childminder some 20 yrs ago the social services told me l wasn't to call a chair, (the naughty chair,) as the chair wasn't naughty, but the child was. So?what was the answer?. If a child was so naughty, there was nothing we could do as,all control had been taken away from us as minders and parents. What do we have now? children who have no respect for their parents or anyone. If a parent dares to punish their own child, that same child can report their parents. What a sad place we have had made for for us by a few.
Mamabear52
1st Jul 2019
1
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I explain to my granddaughter that what she did was naughty and why, not that she is naughty.
DenineA
1st Jul 2019
7
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What is happening to society these days when it is considered wrong to tell a child when they have been naughty?
A child needs to learn that their actions have consequences if they are being naughty and ‘time out’ or the ‘naughty chair’ helps them to reflect on their bad behaviour. A child soon learns good behaviour if they know that they will lose their privileges.
ecarg
1st Jul 2019
5
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I agree with all the posts to date.

When a 2yr old takes themselves of to the naughty step what does this show? That they have learnt that what they have done is naughty and are prepared to take the consequences or are already 1step ahead of the adults.

How long will it be before we can't use any negative word to describe anyone ,the word is describing the deed and deeds have consequences.
TonyaF
1st Jul 2019
1
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I was raised with having a slap on my ass if I misbehaved an YES was told I was naughty an sent to stand or kneel in the corner until I had thought about what i had done wrong.... I raise my kids the same way.... Yes bet ur ass i do still slap their ass when need be an i will slap their hand when need be!!!!An DAMN straight I tell them if they are being naughty or not an no it doesnt have a negative impact on today's generation!!!!! THE ONLY NEGATIVE IMPACT THIS GENERATION IS HAVING IS NOT GETTING THEIR ASS'S SLAPPED WHEN THEY NEED IT AN THEY ARE NOT BEING GIVIN THE PROPER PUNISHMENT WHEN THEY HAVE DONE SOMETHING WRONG...... KIDS TODAY GET AWAY WITH A LOT MORE THEN I EVER DREAMED OF GETTING AWAY WITH..... IF EVER THOUGHT OF DOING HALF THE SHIT THESE KIDS DO TODAY I WOULDNT BE SITTING HERE TALKING ABOUT IT NOW... THESE KIDS JUST GET A SLAP ON THE WRIST AN OH DONT DO IT AGAIN!!!!!! SMFH dont know what this world is coming to but it sure isnt like it was back in the 90's.....
RozzyG2
1st Jul 2019
1
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Don’t label the child for an inappropriate display of behaviour. It can be due to many reasons- communication issues, frustration, early indicators of autism spectrum & not being shown correct behaviour by a good role model.
The child is showing signs of challenging behaviour, not it is a naughty child.
As responsible adults we should then look for the “triggers” (antecedent) that lead to the “actions” (behaviour)& then determine the “result” (consequence ) “ ABC “if possible involving the child. This way a child will come to understand that choices have consequences .
BARBARAFULLER66
1st Jul 2019
1
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Oh dear i thought this would be easy. I seem to be agreeing with both sides of the argument. On the one hand i agree that a small child of 2 or 3 cannot really comprehend what the word Naughty really means and i do think to label anybody with a negative can eventually become a problem. I am becoming very much more aware of just how powerful a tool speech can be and that we need to listen more carefully as well as explaining the consequences of their actions. Of course age related.. As for the naughty corner? A definite No from me. It can leave a child with a feeling of low self esteem and of being pushed aside. Such a tough one to address this!
almera05
1st Jul 2019
7
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Children are naughty sometimes it's a natural part of growing up. They like to push the boundaries which is fine but they need to know right from wrong so some sort of discipline is needed. They will grow up nicer people for it.
JenniferT57
1st Jul 2019
3
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Anyone who has actually had children knows they are not just mini-adults and you cannot treat them as such. Small children cannot fully grasp the effects their actions have on others and also tend to think in the concrete rather than the abstract and to live very much in the present. The idea of actively choosing how to behave, rather than just reacting, is not really a concept a small child will grasp. Yes, making sure you say the behaviour was naughty, rather than the child as a whole, but couching things in an intellectual framework that the child is developmentally unable to conceive is unhelpful to say the least
JeanN6
1st Jul 2019
4
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It’s not that the child is naughty, it’s what they have done that’s naughty and children need to know it’s naughty and not acceptable behaviour
MrsPat
1st Jul 2019
6
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My children use to go in the naughty corner. My dogs do as well. children need to have discipline simple as that-they need to know what is right and what is wrong. Society is like that. It never did my children any harm.
Whitelaw
1st Jul 2019
2
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Don't like naughty chair. Children dont fully understand the concept of naughty.


I had a sorry chair where my sons would sit to think about what they'd done, and when they'd apologised they were allowed off.
ElisabethR
1st Jul 2019
10
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Oh dear.....can you really have a chat with a 3 year old when they misbehave? I dont think so. They wont see their behaviour as inappropriate. Children need to see there are consequences that arise from their behaviour.....good or bad! Theres a big bad world out there and they need to realise they are responsible for their actions.
Not allowing them time to own their behaviour is on a par with not not allowing a child to fail! Let's please raise a generation who take responsibility for their actions.

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