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Have the new coronavirus rules gone far enough?

Professor John Edmunds, a member of the Government’s Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) said the latest restrictions do not go far enough to tackle the increase in cases.

Britain could be plunged into a second national lockdown if new coronavirus restrictions are flouted, Dominic Raab, the Foreign Secretary has warned.

Dominic Raab said if “everyone plays by the rules” outlined by Prime Minister Boris Johnson, restrictions similar to those imposed in March may not be needed at Christmas.

But Professor John Edmunds said while it is welcome ministers have “done something”, the curfew on bars and restaurants is likely to have a “trivial” effect.

He told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme: “I think working from home if you can is certainly a good idea. I think that the measures in terms of closing bars an hour early and restaurants at 10 – I mean, nobody goes to a restaurant after 10 anyway.

“I think that’s fairly trivial in terms of it’ll have a small impact on the epidemic.

“Overall I don’t think that the measures have gone anywhere near far enough. In fact, I don’t even think the measures in Scotland have gone far enough.”

The new strategy for England – announced six months after the lockdown was introduced in March – will see office staff once again working from home, the wider use of face masks and a 10pm curfew on pubs and restaurants.

Businesses will face £10,000 fines or closure for failing to comply with regulations, and people risk £200 penalties is they do not wear masks or breach the “rule of six”.

The military could be used to free up police officers to tackle coronavirus rule-breakers, and Mr Johnson said the measures may need to be in place for a further six months.

In Scotland, First Minister Nicola Sturgeon went further, imposing a ban on household visits from Wednesday.

Mr Raab insisted the UK Government’s approach is “focused, balanced and proportionate”.

He told Sky News: “Let’s hope that we can get through the winter months if we take these measures and if everyone plays by the rules, and we go into Christmas not needing to go into that national lockdown with all the impact on society and families but also the damage it would do to businesses.”

He said if further measures are required, they will be “more intrusive or we could end up in a national lockdown”, and added: “That is what we want to avoid.”

Prof Edmunds, speaking in a personal capacity, said action was not taken quickly enough in March and that “mistake” is about to be repeated.

He warned: “I suspect we will see very stringent measures coming in place throughout the UK at some point, but it will be too late again.

“We will have let the epidemic double and double and double again until we do take those measures.

“And then we’ll have the worst of both worlds, because then to slow the epidemic and bring it back down again, all the way down to somewhere close to where it is now or where it was in the summer, will mean putting the brakes on the epidemic for a very long time, very hard.

“Which is what we had to do in March because we didn’t react quick enough in March, and so I think that we haven’t learned from our mistake back then and we’re unfortunately about to repeat it.”

What are your views? Where in the UK do you live? Have the new Coronavirus rules gone far enough? Would you like to see more strict rules imposed now, or do you think these measures are sufficient at the present time?

Have the new coronavirus rules gone far enough?

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viking
6 days ago
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Everyone seems to be blaming Boris, but having tried a track and trace on him I can not find that he has a medical degree, or that he has attended any medical school.
Therefore it follows that he can only follow the advice given to him by "health professionals ". As these so called experts are in some array, it is impossible to see the wood for the trees.
Therefore who shall we blame ? Lets lay it on Boris he has broad shoulders. Everyone seems afraid to apportion the blame on the so called "health professional experts", who are making a mockery of stats and predictions.
HappyHippie
19th Oct 2020
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the rules were unclear from the start, the government should have TOLD people what should be done, not asked them and letting everyone go on holiday all summer was pure lunacy, I live in a very small coastal town and we were overrun with none mask wearing, none distancing thoughtless people
thetruth67
16th Oct 2020
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Covid19 was removed from the High Consequence Infectious Disease list in March 2020. Then we went into Lockdown.
It's 24th on the list of causes of death in the UK.
The average age of deaths from Covid19 is 82yrs.
The PCR tests are not meant to diagnose disease. It was meant to be used in conjunction with other factors.
Social distancing and wearing masks have no peer reviewed science behind it.
No need for any more strict measures which will bring down the economy and create far more deaths than the virus.
Jolly50
16th Oct 2020
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Totally agree. Young people are having their lives and futures destroyed when there’s no reason for them to suffer.
I’m over 60 and can take responsibility for my own welfare. I’m choosing not to go to pubs or crowded areas. Children and young people need to go to school/uni and to socialise. They will be paying for this pandemic for decades to come so the least we can do if we’re older is stay away and let them thrive.
Jabaker
8th Oct 2020
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This is unprecedented times, with no easy one answer. A full lockdown in March was right as no-one knew how to “manage” this thing and it did bring down the infection rate. However, there was a big cost, to the economy, people’s livelihoods. There will be significant unemployment post furlough next month, businesses closing; people losing their livelihoods, town centres becoming ghost towns; plus, the rent holiday is now finishing and with rising unemployment people will be evicted. The social cost of lockdown is unimaginable.

The key reason for lockdown was a concern the NHS would not cope with the number of covid cases…fear the UK would see scenes like in Italy, with too many people dying, and the hospitals not being able to cope.
Six months on, with the damage to the economy, lockdown is no longer the only strategy. Hospitals now have better insight on treatments, but a vaccine, of course, is the holy grail.
The government could now instead of a full lockdown, redeploy the money used in furlough and invest more resources in both the NHS, care homes and the vulnerable. Thereby they will have the ability to cope with more cases. And with this, we must protect and shield the most vulnerable, that is, those who are at high risk of recovering from the virus. And then, ensure mandatory wearing masks, social distancing, and wash hands.
Get the economy going, so that more money comes into the government coffers = more investment for NHS, care homes and people can make a livelihood.
sparrer
3rd Oct 2020
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We were warned months ago that the next big wave would come in October so can't understand why so many changes and easing up of rules keep taking place. We should still be in lockdown, vulnerable people such as myself should still be shielding and schools and uni's should not have resumed yet.
The government talks about putting Covid Marshalls on the streets, we already have soldiers on the streets sleeping in doorways and begging for food.
These guys are already military trained and desperate for a new start in life, So why don’t we go round the streets and offer these people the post of Covid Marshall, give them back some pride and a pay packet to get them back on their feet as the Government put them there in the first place. Maybe house them together so they can have a community where they understand each others PTSD and other active service related issues.
cehodgson
2nd Oct 2020
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But there are too many people flaunting the rules so we haven’t got a chance of curbing it soon.
SueC62
2nd Oct 2020
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Although the measures for different areas have got confusing, the basic rules of masks, hand sanitising, social distancing, small gatherings are fine. The problem is the complete lack of enforcement. Too many people won't wear masks and I'm sorry the 'can't' doesn't wash with me. If you 'can't' wear a mask, and wear it properly, then don't go to places where you should wear one; it's the best way to protect your own health and I'm sure one way or another you can get your shopping done.

I'd like to defend, at least certain elements of, the younger generation. I know we see groups of them together on TV not social distancing but when I see them outside of their peer groups, mingling with other age groups, they do seem to be very aware and considerate of the rules, some even wearing masks outside on the streets. And they do seem to know how to wear them properly, unlike a lot of the older generations!

Last week, I was walking along a narrow pavement in the village and coming towards me was a gaggle of four teenage lads, eating the sandwiches I reckon they'd just got from the bakery. I was panicking a bit but whilst more than 3 metres away they all, without speaking, moved to the edge of the pavement in single file and I moved to the wall. On the other hand, whilst walking in a local park along a narrow path next to the boating lake, three 'oldies' came towards me 3 abreast, all walking independently without aid. They made no attempt whatsoever to move to allow us all to pass safely and I was nearly in the lake to get out of their way. I can only assume they thought I was one of those 'entitled young whippersnappers' they like to moan about. The week before, whilst in Morrisons, a lady who looked a bit older than me came on the aisle I was on, no mask, coughing continuously, making zero attempt to cover her face and coughing all over the products on the shelf as she peered at them. Any thoughts of food shopping by me were abandoned and I was out of the shop in record time.
viking
2nd Oct 2020
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Arn't you glad that you are off to Turkey soon to escape this disgraceful behaviour. Have a lovely time.
granny 24
3rd Oct 2020
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viking
2nd Oct 2020
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At the moment the younger generation feel that they are proofed against the virus, and it will only affect them like a normal cold. Hence they are making a mockery of any rules that are issued and continue to hold parties etc. etc.
It will be interesting to find out in the future how the virus has affected these party goers in say 20 years time when the dormant Covid in their bodies suddenly rears it's ugly head and bites back.
iestynlad
28th Sep 2020
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It was obvious that pubs would start serving earlier and people carry on partying after 10pm but on the street. I say get the water cannon out and tear gas on them
viking
29th Sep 2020
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If France can do it, why not in the UK ?
Presume that because the UK is leaving the EEC the permissions for this type of deterrent are now null and void
jeanmark
26th Sep 2020
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Until everyone and I mean everyone, understands this is a problem for us all and that we need to be aware of how our own actions can have an adverse effect on others, no amount of restrictions will work.

However, both Prof Witty, Chief Medical Officer for England and the UK government's Chief Medical Adviser and Prof Vallance, the Government Chief Scientific Adviser jointly recommended a total lockdown of two weeks (14 days), this was rejected. Both professors believed It would have allowed the virus to slow down and an effective track and trace system to catch up, thereby enabling control of the virus. Then the economy could be re-started under full scrutiny.
Tallguy01
25th Sep 2020
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Hi All,

Right now, I wouldn't really want to be in a decision makers shoes.

Sasdly our Media concentrate on the problems, and bad news, as opposed to possibilities and positives, Ok there may not be too many of those around just now.

Whilst the current restrictions are tolerable, I do believe that we should not allow Covid to take over our lives totally. Interestingly the Flu season which we just about to enter will sadly claim quite a few souls over the next 6 months.

Without doubt we need to have the economy moving - how else will Pension's etc be funded. The current set of rules appear to have the balance just about right.

The testing system does need further enhancing, sadly Government IT programmes have never been perfect. Good news that the Track and Trace programme has been launched on an APP, sadly my Nokia although an I Phone will not upload.

More accurate date would be great, I live in North Lancs., in a Preston Post Code, frustratingly I cannot access stats rearding where in my area - Preston is Covid Rife.

But to come back to my original point there is still more to life that Covid
Catton
25th Sep 2020
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Totally agree with Yodama.
In WW One they said war would be over by Christmas......

Well in 2020 our invisible war is going to take a lot longer as well. Our survival comes down to our own Common Sense and following the rules.
People in Britain are so used to freedom and doing what we want that the reality and acceptance of the Pandemic is for some too hard to take. We are used to having NHS for example, and not having the army in the streets to maintain the wearing of masks and curfews. Please do not put the blame totally on young people. The virus is spreading because too many people are having too many in their homes. Bottom line.
Jada
25th Sep 2020
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There should be a 9pm curfew everywhere unless you are a keyworker going to and from work.
JanisM11
24th Sep 2020
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I feel that the way it is being handled at this time is right. Gives the Economy time to move along. Im not saying that it the virus continues to flourish that there shouldn’t be changes. This virus is not a static thing.
Getting the economy moving, is just as important as tackling the virus..
I also feel that the media only reports bad news. Nothing about how few people in the population have not been Affected by this virus.
Of course I’m not oblivious to the amount of people that have lost their lives and my heart goes out to their relatives and friends but the media need to be a bit more realistic. Well that’s my opinion.
Bald123
24th Sep 2020
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They should make them stronge-it literally is a matter of life or death.
Yodama
24th Sep 2020
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Common sense should prevail without the relentless onslaught of advice from the government, scientists and uninformed pundits.
The government is in between a rock and a hard place, lockdown or risk economic disaster.
Their conflicting advice is causing confusion.

In the event of a pandemic, your own instincts should warn you to avoid contact "like the plague."
Madness to be travelling and mixing with people in these times.
If you have to go out, wearing face masks and frequent hand washing is all you can really do.
When all is said and done, your life is in your own hands, do what is necessary to survive and don't wait for yet another barrage of "advice."
granny 24
3rd Oct 2020
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Sadly not everyone is going to be sensible and thousands do not have any common sense nor do they see that they are putting others at risk. Staying at home is fine if you have a family but it can be devastating for a single person, would anyone really want to be totally isolated for 6+ months with no human contact? That is the reality for many elderly citizens who don’t have the benefit of smart phones, WiFi etc. I hope everyone reading this is well and safe.
Valleyman
24th Sep 2020
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I agree with KTrott. Overseas travel and sea-borne invasion should be restricted as much as possible. I was listening to a G.P. on Talk Radio (the only reasonable news channel available), and he said the only cases of Covid 19 he saw were people returning from holiday. Also I didn’t realise many of the hundreds queuing for testing were there not because they were ill, but because they needed a test certificate to travel to holiday destinations. It looks like we’re in this for the long term, as with many other viruses. We need, as stated in the interesting second wave analysis https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/covid-19-epidemic-waves/ ‘robust surveillance, the flexibility of response and rigid separation of suspected or confirmed cases.’
Lionel
23rd Sep 2020
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As said before on other threads, what bothers me most is this second wave. According to rather scant records and an excellent Smithsonian Channel documentary in the 1918/20 Spanish 'Flu pandemic it was the second wave which killed more people by far than the first. Here we're speaking of millions more.

Given we now have government by deceit I can't help wondering if the boffins at SAGE, the two Prophets of Doom on TV and the redoubtable Neil Ferguson are hiding imminent dangers from us. That would be in the public interest of course!

If that is the case then we could be looking at deaths directly from COVID of eye watering magnitude. If it isn't the case then our utterly deceitful Pinocchios in Whitehall must be held to account and pay an appropriate price.

Any suggestions what would be a fitting price?
mdan2011
23rd Sep 2020
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Too many people are not doing the right thing and have no consideration for others. When I saw the news and Boris last night on TV I thought about it being like a war with a common foe. My grandparents came together to do just that in the country and united and helped each other for the good of each other. The younger generation are not being considerate enough and making a mess of their own future. The virus does not care about anything other than to survive. Will we?
JE
23rd Sep 2020
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Oops !
......marshalls at the door controlling numbers allowed in, security staff patrolling and reminding people to keep their face covering on and their distance from others and all the staff were wearing masks.
JE
23rd Sep 2020
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Too many people ignoring even the basic rules and thinking only of themselves and doing exactly whatever they want to do without thought of others and the impact on communities. Surely anyone can grasp that we must wash our hands, wear a mask and have minimal contact with others. There needs to be more encouragement, and enforcement if necessary, of existing rules then perhaps more people will do the right thing.
Interestingly, I have been to the supermarket this morning and they have reintroduced marshalls at the door c
PaulB61
23rd Sep 2020
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Increase enforcement and let’s have less of this we need to explain first etc. Look at gyms and similar. Are these essential? Essential = schools and businesses that are essential to Britain’s economy. Extend furlough, grants etc. to encourage non-essential venues not to reopen. Put restrictions in place for buying in supermarkets. The selfish, moronic hoarders have started already,
Barbiegran
23rd Sep 2020
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Unfortunately many people are not being considerate and following the safety measures that are in place for the safety of ALL. They think that because they are ok then they do not need to consider anyone else. Sadly we are becoming a very selfish nation putting ourselves first and not thinking of how we affect others.
The BUTTERFLY EFFECT is valid
SylviaS11
23rd Sep 2020
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people are going about like its all over ,and they are ignoring the safe rules,they should stop and think about the older generation and what it is doing to us and our remaining life on this beautiful plant where you only have one life to live, shame on them,its very sad
anubis
23rd Sep 2020
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To be honest it feels like the older generation is being thrown under the bus, if no working vaccine is found this could be the last generation to have grandparents. The youngsters don`t realise that with age comes understanding, the ability to listen a valuable support network and child care resource. They aren`t worried now but they will get older and the virus will be here waiting for them
ArchieUK
23rd Sep 2020
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Boris Jonhson made the mistake of trusting the British people to do the right thing and hoping that they would think for thern selves rather than being told what to do.
Jada
25th Sep 2020
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Exactly! Laws are supposed to be there to keep us safe so we should have had them implemented in the beginning. Muddled-thinking from 'on high' has been useless in such a crisis!
Ktrott1998
23rd Sep 2020
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The first and most important restriction that should have been introduced would have been to ban all travel from abroad to the UK.

This should include the immediate expulsion of any illegal immigrants trying to land on UK soil.
Munsterlander
23rd Sep 2020
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Surely this is not that difficult. Wear a mask, wash your hands, limit social contact, and have an adequate testing system. How simple is that? If this was properly implemented I am sure we could suppress the virus.
ArtfulDodger
23rd Sep 2020
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How long must we wait for "an adequate testing system"? Without such, we are always going to be fighting a losing battle.

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