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Do you think Scotland should hold a second referendum?

Nicola Sturgeon has confirmed she will ask for permission to hold a second referendum on Scottish independence.

Ms Sturgeon said she wanted a vote to be held between the autumn of 2018 and the spring of the following year.

She said she would ask the Scottish Parliament next week for permission to request a Section 30 order from Westminster.

The order would be needed to allow a fresh legally-binding referendum to be held.

Prime Minister Theresa May has so far avoided saying whether or not she would grant permission for a vote to be held.

Speaking at her official Bute House residence in Edinburgh, Ms Sturgeon said the people of Scotland must be offered a choice between a “hard Brexit” and becoming an independent country.

The Scottish government has published proposals which it says would allow Scotland to remain a member of the European single market even if the rest of the UK leaves, which Prime Minister Theresa May has said it will.

But the first minister said the UK government had not “moved even an inch in pursuit of compromise and agreement” since the Brexit vote, which saw Scotland vote by 62% to 38% to remain the EU while the UK as a whole voted to leave.

The EU Withdrawal Bill is expected to complete its final stages in the UK Parliament later on Monday, which would allow Mrs May to then trigger Article 50 – which formally starts the Brexit process – as early as Tuesday.

What are your views? Do you think Scotland should hold a second referendum? How would you feel it Scotland became independent? Do you think Nicola Sturgeon represents the views of the Scottish people?

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RobertW93
2nd Jun 2017
1
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We had a ref in 2014 but things have changed since then the vow was a lie we are now being taken from the EU against our will Ship building has been lied to the powers that are meant to be coming back to Scotland are going to be traded off so again Scottish fisheries get hammered
The smith commission was a joke from the start
one tory mp has spoken against every Scottish proposal put forward by the 56
evil lets them do what they want down south and the implications do affect Scotland
so yes we need indi 2 and the sooner the better
This is a G/E and the unionist parties in Scotland are promising all sorts thing is they have no say as they have got to listen to their masters south of the border so its time Scotland took control of it,s own future
Wilf
2nd Jun 2017
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Surely the issue Robert would be Scotland would not be able to balance the books especially with Oil at such a low price?. By the way I love Scotland especially the West Coast as my old uncle lives in Inverness.
Barton babe
12th May 2017
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Scotland had their referendum before the British referendum and voted to stay. They should wait and see what deal we get, then if they feel unhappy with it then is the time to have a second referendum. At least if they leave I hope they wont expect us to give them money as we do now. I can't understand if they want to be independent, why they would want to stay in the EU, their nuts.
GrahamH15
20th Apr 2017
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I have no view but I don't think the canny Scots will ever vote to leave the UK?
Nan
15th Apr 2017
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I would love to see Scotland as an independent country but firstly the Scottish government has to run more efficiently than what we see at the moment and then they have to explain the finance and currency we would use. We are a very different country to England and have no confidence in the politics coming out of Westminster.
PhilipM
13th Apr 2017
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djl277: Why not smile for once, (ALL politicians are corrupt - just look at the expenses that they STILL run up today). So smile
djl277
13th Apr 2017
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If it were in any way humorous then I would smile.
PhilipM
13th Apr 2017
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Any one remember the Radio Commentator David Icke ?
He believed Lizards ruled the World, well he may have had a point in a way, I ask the question.

Do Fish rule Scotland ? For the First Minister; first of all was a Salmon, now they have a Sturgeon, so what will be the next Haddock or Place ?
djl277
13th Apr 2017
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Tell me, what does this pointless, disparaging post add to the debate.

Quite pathetic really.
PhilipM
14th Apr 2017
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No, not really, but the debate is pointless as the people of Scotland voted once, (Including my daughter whom lives in the North of Scotland and is a G.P. and whom voted to remain within the U.K. yet voted out of the E.U.

Ms Sturgeon is just looking to make a name for herself and hopes to one day emulate Thatcher on the fame train.

What was she before the SNP has she ever held a full time job at ??
We know Mr Salmon was with failed RBS - so he got himself a good job with lots of perks - followed by Ms Sturgeon. Is it just a fluke that they are both named after fish ?? (do not take life to seriously, politicians don't, all they believe in is themselves.
djl277
14th Apr 2017
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If by "making a name for herself" you mean that the First Minister (and her government) is doing all she can to make Scotland a better place and try to mitigate some of the dreadful policies coming out of Westminster, and is seen to be doing so, then you are correct.

Sorry, it's just insulting to compare the First Minister with Margaret Thatcher. Mrs Thatcher was roundly despised by the majority of the Scottish People - her party has never recovered in Scotland. Recent polls show that Nicola Sturgeon is the most popular politician in Scotland by a long, long way.

BTW, your "fish" analogy is wrong anyway. The name of the previous First Minister is Alexander Elliot Anderson Salmond. As far as I'm aware a "Salmond" is not a fish.
gailyp63
11th Apr 2017
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do anyone listen to the people, I often wonder, all this casting votes hoping for different answers I thought you go by majority no matter what your personal views are .
PhilipM
10th Apr 2017
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As a friend of mine told it, whom lives in the North of Scotland (North of Ullapool)
The first Minister was bing driven around the North in her car, going around a bend the car hit and killed a 'Highland Cow' Ms Sturgen told her driver to 'Go and Find the Farmer and explain what has happened'. So off he went. Getting on writing her speech she never noticed the time go by, until the driver returned looking all dishevelled and his hair all over the place. "Where the hell have you been"? She asked.
'Well, you see I found the Farmer and when I knock on the door I explained what had happened, he dragged me into the house and his wife cooked me a wonderful meal and then his two daughters dragged me into the bedroom and both made love to me, as I finally left the Farmer gave me this bottle of single malt'
'What did you tell the farmer" ? Ms Sturgen asked. 'Well, (replied the driver) I told him that I was your driver and that I had killed the cow. BumBum
Yodama
12th Apr 2017
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I suppose they gave you 'pie in the sky' as well Mr humorous!
Yodama
12th Apr 2017
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Or the driver even!
djl277
10th Apr 2017
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I don't believe this for one minute. For a start, a highlander would never part with a bottle of single malt.
jamesjoyce01
8th Apr 2017
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For what its worth my opinion about the first minister past and present have only self interest in mind
There wish to be the first prime minister or whatever name they will call themselves is in there mind, they may well have the interest of Scotland at heart but its not there sole interest
If the people of Scotland want independence then I believe they should have it but at least give it time to see what brexit offers the Scottish people
LadyG
8th Apr 2017
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Why is it that our so called first minister will not listen to the people she is been elected to represent. NO means NO. Now let it go.
mikemac
7th Apr 2017
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It's sad that certain people here find the heartfelt opinions of others as a reason for personal attacks. Surely debate should be based on opinions and facts. I respect the views of others and will happily discuss them but the aggressive disrespect shown to (and others) me for having an opinion are really rather juvenile and petty.

If you disagree with me say why and we can discuss like grown-ups rather than ad hominem attacks without reply.

I thought we from the British Isles were supposed to be renowned for open thought and reasonable consideration.
djl277
10th Apr 2017
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More often than not I have found that in any kind of forum like this there will always get a few ignorant, ill-informed, arrogant bullies who aren't really interested in debating at all. Bereft of coherent substantiated arguments they resort to insults, narrow-minded name-calling and patronising irrelevancies.
driveguard
7th Apr 2017
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The choice has been made, the people voted, you cannot have voting every five minutes. After all that the leader of the SNP should concentrate on her day job and stop trying to diversify the publics interest.
driveguard
7th Apr 2017
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Suggest you look at the numbers. Scotland is now bankrupt !!!! and the NHS is so bad , I have seen 3rd world country's with better systems. Now ask why, the Scottish government has not made and changes out of the so called parliament in the last 12 months -that's factual and all the SNPs want is another vote, grow up, be logic and sensible and look at the overall picture NOW.
mikemac
7th Apr 2017
2
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How anyone could believe Scotland is bankrupt is beyond me. If you are referring to the GERS figures I think you will find that even the authors of the data are not citing it as reliable data now and stating that it was largely guesswork. No official pro-union bodies are citing that data anymore because it has been proved to be full of holes. GERS relates to guesstimates of Scotland's economy withing the framework of the UK. It bears no relevance to Scotland as a standalone economy.

The NHS in Scotland is outperforming the NHS in the rest of the UK. They are the last NHS you should be attacking. The problems in England and Wales are substantially worse.

No changes in last 12 months? The first session of any new parliament seldom passes new legislation while it is till undergoing research and discussion pior to ratification.

I have a very full grasp of the economics. We would secede with perhaps a £5 0r £6 Billion defecit. Not £15B and for the record, there are very few nations in the world who have zero defecit. It's not a valid argument.
driveguard
8th Apr 2017
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mikemac
7th Apr 2017
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SNP manifesto stated that ; should Scotland be forced out of EU against it's will another referendum would be held. The people voted on that manifesto getting more votes than Tories and Labour combined. A landslide by most democratic standards. So that IS her day job as is funding the gaps in the social system created by the same UK government who caused the economic hell in the first place and who have one seat in Scotland but still make all the big decisions.

The choice is stark. Vote no choice, no voice, continued punitive austerity or vote to make your own grown up decisions.

The referendum must go ahead.
Lionel
7th Apr 2017
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How much is the Poison Pixie paying you? Not enough it seems.
mikemac
7th Apr 2017
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Your level of disrespect for the opinion of others tells us only about you and nothing about the issue.

The First Minister's name is Nicola Sturgeon.
Lionel
7th Apr 2017
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It was a Scots journo who dubbed her the Poison Pixie. Read your own press, dear boy.

Oh, and by the way, the issue doesn't exist., Issue means something arising from an event. The event was concluded in 2014 and there are no issues.

So there we are. Night night old chap. I'm 'orff to bed in this part of lovely England.
Issy
7th Apr 2017
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Why should we have another referendum it only caused upset in families the last time as far as I'm concerned Nicola Sturgeon should be concentrating on our NHS which is sadly lacking with a 32 week waiting list for hospital appointments just to see a consultant but she wastes money on baby parcels for all but if a young family really need them then I would be the last person to deny them however just to hand out which I believe appears to be approximately £500 worth of goods to all young Mothers and most will not either use or need is a ridiculous waste of NHS money . When will she give up on her personal goal to see Scotland independent as the old saying comes to mind "United We Stand Divided We Fall" not that I think we as a nation will fall but I do believe allowing the EU to make our decisions is wrong also why after all our wars would we prefer Germany to make our decisions after all it was the German chancellor who opened the immigrant floodgates and may I say that I am not a racist I also have Italian origins as well as being Scottish born but owing to the influx it is the Governments/ Councils fault that our people are bitter against incomers by favouring them with benefits, homes, etc; while many of our own are homeless and begging so truthfully all our protest marches and violence is government induced normal people do not hate If this country had room then I would gladly accept all nationalities but few seem to note that this is a small island !! whom I think would like peace also for the foreigner's who are already working here worried about being sent back home surely our government is not that stupid these people have already proven they can integrate into our communities the problem lies in us being swamped and sinking with too many bodies and no facilities to cope
mikemac
7th Apr 2017
2
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With all due respect to all commenters on this subject Scotland voted in the last general election and the party whose number one manifesto pledge is to work towards an independent Scotland won 56 of 59 seats. Where else in the democratic world can you show me such an overwhelming landslide in a fair election? So for people to say Nicola Sturgeon should be doing her "day job" I suggest that her day job is running the country based upon her pledge to the electorate. What we have here is a politician who is being chastised for carrying out her electoral pledges. Another rarity. The first minister would be failing her electorate if she did not aim for independence.

To those who say Scotland would not survive economically I would point out that although Scotland is only 8.3% of the UK population it owns:
32% of the land
90% of the fresh water
65% of the natural gas
96% of the crude oil
46% of the forests
40% of the wind wave and solar energy production
62% of the timber production
60%of the fish landing
30% of the beef herd
20% of the potatoes
15% of the cereal crop
92% of the hydroelectric production (supplying rest of UK)

For Scotland to be of equal standing with England we would need the above percentages to be no more than 10%.

Consider also that the World Trade Organisation figures in the year 2015 :
Scottish GDP per capita $43,410
German GDP per capita $40,952
French GDP per capita $37,653

So why are Scotland too wee and too poor?

Scotland is NOT subsidised by England. Scotland is subsidised by our joint economy of the UK. England are also subsidised by that economy. That's the union. So the UK subsidises The Royal Family, their estates, the House of Parliament, the House of Lords, the transport infrastructure, the military, the civil service,

Then consider this. Scotland's independence is not about Nicola Sturgeon. It's not about the SNP. It's not about economics. It's about having a voice. It's about sovereignty. Would england ever vote to be governed by Scotland? or France? Who would choose to be ruled by another nation? Especially when that Nation is run by a party who have one single seat in Scotland. Can you imagine England being run by a party with one seat?

The Conservative party. Want to keep Scotland in the union. Why? Is it viable to suggest that the party who cut social services for the poor, vulnerable, elderly and disabled want to keep Scotland in some kind of uncharacteristic benevolence towards the Scots? The party who maintain austerity and the need for foodbanks while giving billionaires tax breaks? They want Scotland to remain because they "like" them? No they want Scotland to remain because the removal of the above would be a catastrophe for the UK Economy. We know precisely what they mean when stating "Stronger Together".

My family are Scottish, Irish, English and American amongst others. It's not a hatred of the English that drives half of the Scottish population. We love the English people and we love Englishness but we would like to make our own decisions and run our own affairs. Sovereignty. It is also obvious that Scotand wishes to remain in the EU. Why would you deny us that right?

It's a simple preference. No need for patronising talk or anger. Everyone has a right to self-determination.

Thanks to those who took the time to read all the way down here.
Lionel
7th Apr 2017
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Peculiar you only creep out of the woodwork at the mention of a referendum.

Where were you when all of the UK held a referendum lasy year?

Speaks volumes, wouldn't you say?
mikemac
7th Apr 2017
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Like many here I did not frequent this site previously. How does that effect a heartfelt opinion? Do other new contributors who share your views also "creep out of the woodwork"? Or is that description only endowed upon those whose views you eschew?

The only thing that speaks volumes is your fact-free attacks on anyone who has an intelligent opinion. Do you have a view that is constructive and non-abusive? It is my preferred debating stance.

If you disagree with any of the figures I have mentioned above I will be happy to discuss but wholesale ad hominem attack of opposing views is simply verbal abuse, not debate and doesn't progress your case in any way.
Lionel
8th Apr 2017
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In this new smiling public face of Scots Nationalism one hears words such as rational and debate. During the later months of your referendum there was little debate and even less rationale. Indeed, according to news reports filmed and reported by your own countrymen, SNP thugs were running wild blackmailing and threatening people who dared to suggest they might vote against independence. So let's have no more of this mess of rational debate. In the case of the SNP it is a nonsense.

I can assure you, I have no case to progress. Your own people decided the future of your country for a generation. Independence bombed; just as well since oil revenues have gone through the floor and there's nothing to replace them. But do remember, it was Scots people who decided the future of their country. The end for a generation! That's the Poison Pixie's words.

But let's not forget the foul mouthed rants of SNP M.P's in the Commons this last week. I would like to say you may recap in Hansard, but that is sanitized. These people speak on behalf of Scots people. Really? They represent Scots people? My wife is of Scots descent and she is ashamed of them.

Thus, despite all your contestable figures, which have been on SS at least twice before, Scotland voted to remain a part of the Union. That's it! End of debate. England has now moved on, why haven't you few moaning Scots?

Further, please don't private message me again. If you have anything further to say put it in the public arena, as I have done.
Lionel
9th Apr 2017
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For mikemac: You have attempted to PM me, the evidence is on this website. That I blocked you and stated firmly all communications must be on an open forum is also evidenced. The word accidental screams 'cop-out- to me.

Let's a few things straight. The Scots had a referendum in September 2014. They voted by a substantial margin to remain in the Union. That is the will of the people. All else you may come up with is of no moment. The matter is decided for a generation.

The matter of a further debate on Scotland's independence is already redundant - the vote was cast and fell to remainers. The Poison Pixie, yes, I will continue to use that term because it's Scots in origin, may want a vanity project, another referendum, but the answer is no. Alex Salmond said the 2014 vote was for a generation.

That's it, baby!
mikemac
9th Apr 2017
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I have never private messaged you. I may have accidentally clicked but can assure you that I have absolutely no wish to converse with you privately.

You have not had the courtesy to use Nicola Sturgeon's name like a grown up might. Stating a "journalist" named her does not mean you should simply parrot the so-called journalist. Why not quote the journalists who praise her diplomacy and erudite logic? See the imbalance? The only hatred and aggression I see in this page are from people like yourself. I can assure you that there is no hatred from this end.

I have yet to hear a foul-mouthed SNP rant. If you can cite the instances I'd be happy to watch or read. See? Facts and discussion welcome. Outright fact-free belligerence is futile in any debate.

There have been idiotic threats from scant few anonymous idiots on BOTH sides of the debate. It really is disingenuous of you to pretend otherwise. On the other hand, the post-referendum violence was documented and carried out Union flag waving men in George's Square while using Nazi salutes. A quick Google is all that is needed for proof of that but it wouldn't fit your agenda.

The SNP DO represent the Scottish people. They won 56 of 59 seats with a manifesto of independence. That's democracy. The fact that you don't like Scotland or the Scots having a voice on sovereignty is another matter but of no importance to the people of Scotland.
mariangrove
7th Apr 2017
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What happens if the vote goes against her, will she call for another in two years time?
irene barr
6th Apr 2017
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if she spent as much time on things that matter instead of wasting time and money on another referendum we might actually get a better Scotland
iestynlad
1st Apr 2017
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If it makes Nicola shut up YES! Face it love they voted to stick with the UK, just accept it they DON't want independence.
Hattie
29th Mar 2017
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Everywhere iv'e been on internet reading comments on this issue the majority do not want another referendum.
It is just sad that this woman is so hell bent on breaking up the UK for her own whatever reasons splitting the Scottish people.
decagon
29th Mar 2017
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We've had the referendum, the result was clear, to stay as a union of nations. Sturgeon should be attending to domestic affairs, running the country and addressing those Scottish problems that are within the domain of the Scottish Parliament. This constant hectoring return to 'freedom' and a 'small view' nationalism serves no one well, as the divisiveness of the last campaign showed. Scotland is not able to be successfully economically independent, and any process that might welcome an independent Scotland to the EU would take many, many years, all in all, not a viable proposition.
mikemac
7th Apr 2017
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"...and any process that might welcome an independent Scotland to the EU would take many, many years."

The EU have already confirmed that Scotland's entry to EU would be instant as the nation of Scotland is already a member.

The campaign should be fair and free of such scaremongering nonsense. It would take scant research to discover the error in the statement.
iainmedinrun
29th Mar 2017
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Sturgeon needs to understand that one of the measures of good leadership is respecting decisions derived using proper process. They've had the proper process, the decision was made, she doesn't like it...too bad...move on, and stop looking like a political manipulator. By the way I haven't met any Scots or English who want another referendum.
Cactus14
28th Mar 2017
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I think that Should spend her time looking after Scotland instead of wasting taxpayers money, she only has one aim in life and that is going to ruin Scotland. Wake up Nicola and "smell the whisky" do what is right for your country and not your ego.
nicolag
27th Mar 2017
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And who is going to pay for the vote? Not the English I hope!
Sherrybee
26th Mar 2017
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Once Britain was a group of warring tribes/nations. Do we really want to go back there. We are one island and need to work together as such.
Cactus14
28th Mar 2017
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So agree with you Sherrybee, I have said this all along. There are so many bad things going on in the world and as a small island we need to stand together.
Poppy22
25th Mar 2017
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The last referendum was supposed to be a deciding vote, and not a "keep doing it until Nicola Sturgeon gets the vote she wants".
roym
25th Mar 2017
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The United Kingdom is better together.
Nicola Sturgeon is alienating the great Scottish residents from the rest of the UK.
thistle58
25th Mar 2017
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Although johndalton235 is not a good speller.....he's not quite getting the political scenario......no need to build a wall.....unless you want to?
thistle58
25th Mar 2017
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the border johndalton235....you need English lessons
johndalton235
24th Mar 2017
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Give Scotland their independence if they agree to pay for the wall we will need at the boarder.
mikemac
7th Apr 2017
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No need for walls. Just a civil respect for your neighbours would be appropriate.
Lionel
7th Apr 2017
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Might that start north of the border?

No, I didn't think so.
mikemac
7th Apr 2017
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The only aggression I see towards the opposite view seems to be against the scots from the likes of yourself. I believe I have been nothing but civil in this forum.

You seem to harbour a belligerence for some reason.
Lionel
7th Apr 2017
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If you like Scotland so much, then stay there.

If the Poison Pixie, as one journo called her, chooses to ignore financial stats then don't come crawling to Westminster for yet more money. There'll be no more. Got it. Zilch!

'You seem to harbour a belligerence for some reason.' Your words, not mine. Surely the Poison Pixie harbours beligerence.
stellaT
24th Mar 2017
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Scotland made the decision to stay in the UK in the last referendum, that vote was done democratically! If every time a decision doesn't go our way we would be holding referendums every week! The same with the decision to leave the EU, decision made!
Barton babe
24th Mar 2017
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Just a thought, why cant England
have a referendum to see if we still want Scotland.
Barton babe
24th Mar 2017
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Scotland should wait and see what the end result is going to be on leaving the EU, then if they still want a second referendum have it then. But before holding a second referendum, make sure the EU will welcome
Scotland, as things stand now they do not.
I thought Sturgeon wanted Independence for Scotland, why then does she want to be ruled by Brussels???
Yepuxl
24th Mar 2017
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There would have been no choice of hard or soft Scexit if the first Independence referendum had been won!
Christine59
24th Mar 2017
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The situation in Scotland has changed with the English and Welsh voting to leave and Scotland overwhelmingly voting to stay.

The fact that there is but one conservative MP in Scotland further ensures that the English will pay no heed to the needs of the country.

The best hope is to leave the union (Uk) and stay with Europe.
Blackdan
24th Mar 2017
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I agree with everything RobertB47 has said.
Pam1960
22nd Mar 2017
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I'm not sure that I agree with referendums. Are we equipped to make such important decisions. On the whole we are given the same information on which to base our vote. If we were all able to make decisions based on what is best for the nation results would be wider rather than the usual split. Should these decisions be left in the hands of the many who know little or nothing of world trade, economy, defence and finance. We live in a democratic society and our views should be heard but not necessarily put into practice. We base our votes on the little information we are given a lot is held back, why? I watch the news and current affairs programmes, I read various newspapers and try to keep up with what is happening in the world but am I knowledgeable enough about global politics to know what is in the best interests of this nation, probably not.
latin
24th Mar 2017
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Let's hope you don't trust the bias BBC or Guardian!
Where have you been all these years while the EU us for their own ends and creating their federal state for a bunch of unelected mad people who are mega rich and our expense !
Lionel
22nd Mar 2017
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Pam, I think the original Brits know how they want their country be, and which direction to take to achieve that. Here I speak of moderate Brits, not extremists.

In the UK a referendum is a broad brush stroke - detail is largely omitted, unlike Switzerland. Last year we gave the establishment directions. Out of the EU. Of course there was a little more detail involved in the campain, but not on the ballot paper.

From that result our politicians must find a way through to achieve that end with as little harm as is possible. If they do not there could be an uprising.

The detail is left to them.
Yodama
21st Mar 2017
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Is anyone seeing the big picture?

I must say you fight your corner and ideals vociferously and with courage RobertB47. I take my hat off to you. You appear to be a doppelgänger for Sir William Wallace.
Saying that, so have the others put their case with equal vigour.
Good idea to check the old blood pressure.

Do you think these heated arguments will in any way change things? We the plebs haven't got a clue about the deals and machinations going on while a war of words is played out on the world stage.
A war of words specifically designed to whip the population into a frenzy of angry words which in the future they will be embarrassed by.

In a theatre production this would be called misdirection.

I wonder what is going on behind the scenes?
Time to take a peek behind the curtain, see what the magicians are really planning.
This misdirection strategy is having the desired effect of us taking our eyes off the ball.....Brexit negotiations and meetings, who is talking to whom? Who is sucking up to whom etc;? We have to watch EVERYONE.

Time to do more watching and listening, less shouting methinks!
Or better still, time to eat chocolate!
Lionel
21st Mar 2017
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Well said, and so insightful!
Yodama
22nd Mar 2017
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Lionel
20th Mar 2017
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It looks like she's backed down and for once become a little more pliable. 'Room for discussions,' I understand she said.

200,000 people have signed an online petition saying no to a second referendum; 57% of Scots polled said no, and Theresa May has said no.

Not much wriggle room, is there!
pamflower
19th Mar 2017
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Will Nicola Sturgeon keep holding referendums until she gets the result she wants?
latin
24th Mar 2017
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Just like the EU did with Southern Ireland !
It has the cheek ordacity to call its self democratic ,
It does not know the meaning of the word.
Lionel
19th Mar 2017
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Well, Pamflower, I think that's her plan. The way things look just now I'm left wondering if she has enough life left!
Yodama
18th Mar 2017
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Great Britain is a tiny little island, fragmented defences, should the Scots decide to leave, is going to leave this island very weak in the event of an attack.
Has Scotland really looked at a proper plan for defence? The Scottish regiments presently in the British army and swearing allegiance to the Queen will have an option to join the Scottish Army. Does that mean if they stay in the British army that they will then be classified as mercenaries?

Can the Scottish government's proposed budget of £2.5bn support both the proposed Scottish defence force and the purchase of new equipment including fast jets and submarines?

Since they don't want Trident, to move the whole operation to England is going to take years and money we can ill afford.

If and when we are attacked, would Scotland's weak defences make this a vulnerable entry point?
Has this plan to leave England really been thought out?

As the song goes " For united we stand. Divided we fall, and if our backs should ever be against the wall
We'll be together, Together, you and I.

We have fought together side by side for 300 years, a split now would be devastating for not only the security but the prosperity of these green lands so loved by all.

The Scots must not leave, it is a foolish move.
Tone the moan
18th Mar 2017
7
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If the prime minister allows a 2nd referendum on this the removers will expect a 2nd referendum on BREXIT, so no.
Also what is the point of a referendum. If it can be reversed?
Justjohn
18th Mar 2017
6
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The scots have had a vote the outcome was not liked .so how many times do they want to hold a referendum ? .every year ? .If Scotland were to gain independence ,they would have to start to finance themselves a little more , instead of getting preferential treatment as they have done for many years now .there would be no free prescriptions ,no free university , The probability isthey would be broke without assistance from westminster
RobertB47
18th Mar 2017
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Typical little Englander attitude. Scotland is self sufficient unlike England. England is running a deficit of £130 billion and a debt of £1.7 trillion, any deficit Scotland has is the result of England borrowing for things Scotland did not ask for or wanted.Scotland is not allowed to borrow so how can we have a deficit. Scotland is England's greatest asset, if we are such a basket case , why is England so terrified of losing us?.
Regarding the vote.... it is widely believe this was fixed, too much documented evidence to think otherwise. You also conned many Scottish voters into voting NO by telling them they could only be a member of EU if they stuck with the UK.... this has proved to be a lie. Therefore Scotland has the right to have another referendum, only this time we must invite the UN and EU to monitor and count the votes.
Roof Top Crow
18th Mar 2017
3
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I reply to your earlier figures.
There are statistics, statistics and damned lies. Benjamin Disraeli is considered to be the originator of this very useful phrase.

A very creative set of figures. Oh yes I can see it, 96% of the oil revenue from the North sea and it looks very much as though you have included great chunks of oil from the Norwegian oil fields as well.

And then you end up with a surplus of 496 Billion, which is 3 times the surplus Dubai achieves in a good year.

The reality you face is that Scotland has a population of 5 million people. Scotland has very little manufacturing. Its primary industry is tourism, the GDP is declining ,manufacturing output is declining and the population is ageing faster than the rest of the UK

Can you explain what magic trick Scotland would perform to become anywhere near self-sufficient.
Northern Silver
18th Mar 2017
6
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If anyone is trying to 'shatter the UK constitution', its Mrs Sturgeon.
We voted to stay in UK, remember? And that means abiding by decisions by the UK government - the UK parliament at Westminster.
The SNP doesn't even have an overall majority in the Scottish Parliament, and lost seats at the last general election. Every time Mrs Sturgeon says "it's the will of the Scottish people" it makes me want to scream - the SNP don't have an outright mandate.
There's plenty of things in Scotland that need the attention of the government - I wish they would look out for those, instead of the mono-mania of another referendum.
Mrs Sturgeon wants to rush into a second referendum to get it done before the next Scottish Parliamentary elections, where she might just come unstuck.
RobertB47
18th Mar 2017
3
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Stop your misinformation. The Scottish parliament was set up so that no party could ever have an overall majority.But by a miracle , the SNP proved them wrong and last time got an overall majority. At the last election the failed only by around 3 seats to obtain a majority, but they still have the most popular vote. It should be pointed out here that most Unionist MSP's were rejected by the voters, but because of the voting system set up by the Labour party( to prevent the Snp ever getting a majority) , they were able to get seats through the back door (List Seats) Thus Unionist MSP's here in Scotland carry very little moral authority.The SNP.s membership is the highest, they are the most respected party and represent the views of most of the people of Scotland. Scotland sent 59 MP's to Westminster, only 3 of these were Yoon MP.s the other 56 were SNP . The SNP along with the Scottish greens hold the majority of seats in Holyrood, they both want a referendum and they both want Independence. . The Labour party, the Tory party and the LIb /dems in Scotland are all unionist parties, are all employed by London England they do not work for Scotland. So for you to come here and tell the readers the SNP does not have an outright mandate is nothing short of misinformation , IT'S COMMON KNOWLEDGE THIS IS ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO HAVE. If it was a first past the post system like in England, then the SNP would be untouchable, Finally the SNP + the Scottish Greens have an out right mandate.
Northern Silver
29th Mar 2017
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Yes, the SNP (allied with the Greens) have an outright mandate.
I said that the SNP do not have this mandate - I was implying " a mandate on their own without additional support from another party". (In Holyrood ) Apologies for any lack of clarity.
The views of people in Scotland on independence were expressed in the referendum, and we voted to remain in the UK. On this issue at least, the SNP do NOT represent the views of most of the people of Scotland.
2017seeSaw
18th Mar 2017
2
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We are a UNITED Kingdom, and should stay UNITED. Brexit has nothing to do with any proposed separation, other than following a dogma that some, but, not all Scots have signed up for.
Hattie
18th Mar 2017
5
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Mmmm, now she has changed her mind AGAIN she will wait until after Brexit gets going.
I feel sorry for the Scottish people, she is supposed to be the leader of Scots but can't seem to make up her mind what to do?
Cadgy15
17th Mar 2017
5
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They had their chance and voted to stay part of the UK. Just because the Brexit vote didn't go the way they thought, they can't turn around and change their minds.
scandiman
17th Mar 2017
3
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Prime Minister should call Sturgeons bluff. Tell her she can have her referendum, let's say in June. She's had enough time to prepare. Take it or leave it, and accept the result. Prime Minister has enough to deal with without this sideshow.
Gerry1
17th Mar 2017
6
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they have had one, how many more are they going to ask for if that wee person doesn't get result she likes ?
RobertB47
18th Mar 2017
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And why should we listen to that big lanky woman u have down there?
Lionel
17th Mar 2017
5
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Well, someone has suggested best out of three, but if all three go against the Poison Pixie, as one press writer alled her, then there'll be a fourth and then a fifth.
anmarie101
17th Mar 2017
5
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Absolutely, and hopefully they will gain independent. They have so much in subsidies England would save a fortune!
mikemac
7th Apr 2017
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Scotland is subsidised by the UK - NOT England. England is also subsidised by the UK. England's economy would experience a catastrophe without Scottish GDP. Be careful what you wish for.
RobertB47
18th Mar 2017
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HMRC published the following figures:
A) revenue raised in Scotland £45.056 billion
B) Block grant awarded to Scotland £26.984billion
C) Scotland's stated contribution to the union ££17.2 billion
D) in the same year Scotland's internationally recognised waters raised , NOT for Scotland, for the UK government £469.777 billion pounds
E) by the HMRCs own admission these figure do not include some £4-5 billion pounds MISATTRIBUTED to England which should have been attributed to Scotland
IF SCOTLAND HAD BEEN INDEPENDENT we would have collected the £45 billion figure and kept that in the SCOTTISH TREASURY
We were able to balance the books at £26.98 billion (the block grant) so our SURPLUS would have been £17billion
Add to that 96% of the North Sea revenue and you get a surplus of £469billion!!!
Can you all now see why Theresa May will do anything and everything to stop Scotland's independence?
£469 BILLION IN SURPLUS IN ONE YEAR!!!! Scotland is a wealthy country
Oh yes and before you say 'ah but oil prices have hit rock bottom' .... the above figures were produced when oil was just under $40 a barrel!!!
And also note that we would have been £17 billion in SURPLUS without a penny of oil revenue!!
WHY ARE YOU AGAINST INDEPENDENCE???????
Devonman
17th Mar 2017
6
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All of the UK should be given the vote & I am sure it will be a massive vote in favour of letting Scotland go.They are costing the rest of us far too much.
mikemac
7th Apr 2017
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Oh how we wish they would. If you understood anything about economics you would be curling your toes at the thought of the United Kingdom of England and Wales.
RobertB47
18th Mar 2017
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But England will never be allowed to vote on Scottish independence. That's because most people down there don't a clue of economics. Just ask your self this simple question...if Scotland is so much of a basket case and needs to be heavily subsidised, then why is Westminster so desperate to hold onto Scotland.......answer......
Without Scotland's resources , England will sink, Westminster is terrified of losing us.... and that's why Westminster will never allow you to vote.
Wilf
18th Mar 2017
2
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The question I ask Robert is what difference to the man in the street (by the way I have many Scottish relations and friends and love Scotland especially the west coast) what exactly will get gain? And the union isnt broken so why break away? Sorry I dont understand what will the difference be to Joe average?
Wilf
17th Mar 2017
3
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Why would we want Scotland to go its part of us all. Its like saying lets let Sussex go??
Lionel
17th Mar 2017
3
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Or Cornwall. I see they've petitioned the EU for greater recognition of their distinctiveness within the Union.

All these seperatists are leading us back to a tribal existance. I think I'd better leave Suffolk and go back to West Norfolk. Oh, dear. The mixtures of London tribes have occupied by home area. Time to evict them ... And my wife originates from Worcestershire. Guess she'll need to go back but I can't go with her.

If we keep on like this I fear it could be a reality! That's how silly and unreasonable this wave of seperatism is.
Wilf
17th Mar 2017
2
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Yes we thought the world would morph into a superstate and in fact I always thought in 500 years the world will be one country...more like 1,000 at this rate?
Lionel
17th Mar 2017
1
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Wilf, even that is too soon for me.

We're all distinct people. We may, with a little care for others positions, get on well together, and until recently, the Union has proved that.

I dare not imagine a superstate, the world as one country. I'm sure it would of necessity require a leader of such gargantuan proportions, the like of which we've never seen. But perhaps, we have glimpsed that in Adolph Hitler.

Co-operation is so much better than conflict, don't you think?
CatherineS17
17th Mar 2017
3
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England should vote if they want Scotland to be associated with them!
Wilf
17th Mar 2017
0
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I think we would we love Scotland. Its like asking if Sussex should leave the UK!!!
Jenninora
17th Mar 2017
1
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Well, whatever time and history brings, we at this stage can only speculate and argue.
The laws in force will be the point of guidance, if they hold substance and if they hold firm, are the way from this point in time.
Whoever, these people are, and that goes for any country, don't see that their opposition should have a voice.
If they want division they will continue dividing society. There is plenty of support and shelter here in the west. Not perfect administration and many wrongs.
If they were a suppressed nation, like so many in the world, maybe there would be reason for their unrest.
I don't know these people and they don't know me or my ancestors. They also won't care.
I can only live my way and hope for a sensible outcome.
My first blog on this still stands. A disfunctional world for the twenty first century.
Enough said by me.
suzybe
17th Mar 2017
1
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Scotland already have massive gains from the UK regarding financial benefits for students and the elderly that we don't have in England for example. To have another referendum is really wrong on all levels. Do we now expect that every time there is a vote on anything that isn't what was hoped for we all go back to the polls again? Should we have a re-run of the last election because we don't like the result we got? Surely any result of a referendum should stand and not be subject to repetitive voting until the result satisfies the likes of Nicola Sturgeon.
djl277
17th Mar 2017
2
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Wrong. Care for the elderly in Scotland and student fees are paid out of the block grant the Scottish Government gets each year from Westminster. Scotland more than pays her way. Tax raised in Scotland is at least £45 billion each year. The block grant is £26b and being cut each year. Not having borrowing powers, this is the only revenue the SG has to work with.

If you want the sort of social care we have in Scotland then you need to vote for a party that supports it or form one yourself or move to a country that has it, like Scotland.

We do get to re-run elections, the General Election every 5 years.
suzybe
17th Mar 2017
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We are supposed to be a United Kingdom and have acted as such for centuries. Until recent years Scotland didn't have this independent attitude any more than the rest of the UK. We are four countries each with something to offer yet suddenly Scotland wants to be rid of the UK. What next, a Trump wall? Save the Shetlands? Stop oppressing the Orkneys? How far will the separation go? Should every island around the UK be independent? We know some people in Cornwall want independence so maybe all counties should be independent? How far could this go?
Lionel
17th Mar 2017
0
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Been listening to that Pixie again?
Lionel
16th Mar 2017
1
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If thse so ferociously pro independence Scots people were to put their fiull names on here and not just initials, how many would be found to be on the payroll of the SNP?

Most methinks.

Funny how they turn up now and yet were absent during the SS referendum debate which lasted weeks!W hich, of it's very nature brings into question who these people are really.

About right for the SNP!
mikemac
7th Apr 2017
1
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So people who hold alternate views which effect them and their families directly must be paid puppets? What an odd attitude to others having an opinion on their own sovereignty.
RobertB47
18th Mar 2017
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More from another little englander
Hawke008
18th Mar 2017
0
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Rather a 'little Englander' than a rabid Scot who wants to be ruled by the EU.
grey hair
16th Mar 2017
2
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no referendum as we do not have the industry to support ourself and we will be borrowing of the international fund just to survive
Janthel
16th Mar 2017
3
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Either way we should cease providence via "the Barnett formula"
with immediate effect.
RobertB47
18th Mar 2017
0
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yesssssssssssssssssss


HMRC published the following figures:
A) revenue raised in Scotland £45.056 billion
B) Block grant awarded to Scotland £26.984billion
C) Scotland's stated contribution to the union ££17.2 billion
D) in the same year Scotland's internationally recognised waters raised , NOT for Scotland, for the UK government £469.777 billion pounds
E) by the HMRCs own admission these figure do not include some £4-5 billion pounds MISATTRIBUTED to England which should have been attributed to Scotland
IF SCOTLAND HAD BEEN INDEPENDENT we would have collected the £45 billion figure and kept that in the SCOTTISH TREASURY
We were able to balance the books at £26.98 billion (the block grant) so our SURPLUS would have been £17billion
Add to that 96% of the North Sea revenue and you get a surplus of £469billion!!!
Can you all now see why Theresa May will do anything and everything to stop Scotland's independence?
£469 BILLION IN SURPLUS IN ONE YEAR!!!! Scotland is a wealthy country
Oh yes and before you say 'ah but oil prices have hit rock bottom' .... the above figures were produced when oil was just under $40 a barrel!!!
And also note that we would have been £17 billion in SURPLUS without a penny of oil revenue!!
WHY ARE YOU AGAINST INDEPENDENCE???????
Hattie
16th Mar 2017
0
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Why does N. Sturgeon & Co. just stop with the threats plus, changing her mind. If she is so sure Scottish people want independence then, put her money where her mouth is and get on with it instead of keeping the Scottish people in limbo.
Lionel
17th Mar 2017
2
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Hattie, I think the Poison Pixie is a born trouble maker, as was her predecessor Salmond. Both communists. I don't think this is about a referendum for Scotland, no, it's about rabble rousing and causing trouble for the UK as a whole.

During the Cold War this is exactly what the Reds did , try to cause division among our peoples. The sad fact is, they succeeded.
short5
16th Mar 2017
2
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why not go for best of three?...
djl277
16th Mar 2017
0
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Lionel
17th Mar 2017
1
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No, you seperatists will lose horribly. Just look at the recent polls.
djl277
16th Mar 2017
1
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The level of ignorance regarding Scottish affairs comes as no surprise considering most folk are quite happy to take at face value whatever The BBC or the likes of The Daily Mail reports.

Regardless of your opinion over another Scottish referendum (or its outcome) it might be better to check 'news' sources and 'facts' before posting. Just because some unverified information backs your view doesn't make it correct, and just because a media source publishes an article which opposes your view doesn't make it biased or fake.

Go on - do a bit of research for yourself and justify what you post.
Lionel
19th Mar 2017
0
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If you Scots Nats people had the slightest credibility everyone would listen, if not hear you. I take it you education system teaches the differences between listen and hear! It should, we're paying for it.

As it is you have nothing worthwhile to say publicly, so go back to your clubs and bars, wherever they are, and talk among yourselves.

If you knew anything about English history, and that's recent history too, we have a way of dealing with rank dissenters. It' not nice.
Roof Top Crow
16th Mar 2017
2
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I think I can say that you did not like my very broad-based view that the UK works as well as it does because of the interdependence we all have on one another.

I do not have to do much research to find that Scotland, Wales, Cornwall and lots of other parts of the UK get more out of the HM Treasury than they put in. But because we are all part of the UK that does not matter. Everywhere in the UK gives a lot back to the whole of society.
Lionel
17th Mar 2017
1
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For once, RoofTop, I do so agree with you. These four peoples are a nation, contained within these islands. When we pulled together we made the largest and most successful empire the world has ever seen.

I clearly remember your oppsition to Brexit yet remain respectful of you for the valiant battle you fought here. Brexit is about to be a fact and we need all our peoples to work together again, to pull on the same rope, to make it work.

Fragmentation of disparate groups now is not the way forward because no one will benefit. It's the way of the Reds during the Cold War, setting one against another.
Roof Top Crow
17th Mar 2017
1
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To have you agree with me is to say the very least, disconcerting.

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Lionel
17th Mar 2017
2
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No, Rooftop, it's not disconcerting at all. It just means you've become more reasonable, more into reality.

It's a good place to be, don't you think?
djl277
16th Mar 2017
3
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You are of course correct, spending per head in Scotland is indeed higher than other parts of the UK as a result of Barnett calculations.

However, if you had researched properly you would have found that Scotland's Tax contribution to Westminster is greater than the Scottish Government's block grant it receives. It will also have thrown up that much of Scotland's tax revenue isn't even attributed to Scotland at all. Whisky revenues of £5b being one glaring example. Another example is VAT receipts which are only calculated on a UK wide basis and therefore not attributed to Scotland.

Scotland is a net contributor to Westminster tax by a very large margin.
Wilf
16th Mar 2017
1
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To be honest only the Treasury really know the financial figures. The fact remains what exactly would the man in the street in Scotland benefit from by being in a totally separate country from the UK? I cannot think of one benefit...more cash in his pocket...not really...better services-no...better defence...absolutely not. We have all been together 350 years-why break whats not broken??
Wilf
16th Mar 2017
0
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I totally agree. To all intents the Uk is one country, one language ,one culture anyway with regional variations
Lionel
17th Mar 2017
0
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Wilf, is it not the varieties of indigenous people that makes Great Britain so different? There will surely always be tensions between us, but nothing that cannot be resolved.

One would think the peoples of Norfolk and Suffolk would get on together, but we don't, and never have. Each claims a supremacy. Thus a West Norfolk man living a few miles away in North Suffolk will always be different.

To have a people - not a nation as such, that's the Scot's aspiration - wanting to sucede from the Union says to me they have a leader who doesn;'t have their best interests at heart, but her own.

Is she pleasing Moscow? I think so.
Jenninora
16th Mar 2017
1
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I have an interest in all of this.
So much to take in.
It is understandable the emotion when parts of the U K are on the cusp of some change.
The thing is, as Europe has a say too, this should not be rushed through.
It took years to build to it present position. Everything is expensive as it is. Why ratchet up more than it is worth.
Legislation is a mighty packet to be sifted through.
I am glad I am at this side of the looking glass.
Roof Top Crow
16th Mar 2017
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I am not Scottish, I live in another part of the UK. For many years I have listened to demands from Scotland for independence and self-determination.

I am a little bit supportive. But then reality takes over and I know that the different regions of the UK, and that includes Scotland, are interdependent. None of the regions are able to stand on their own. There are wealthy regions and there are poor regions and structurally the UK works as well as it does by spreading its income, its skills, its cultures and its history throughout the whole of the UK.

Financially that analysis is not totally true. London with 12% of the UK population generates 22% of the GDP of the whole of the UK. Financially if not socially and culturally London could be independent.

But to get back to Scotland. Scotland has a very strong sense of its own identity and already is independent socially, culturally and historically. But it is not able to be financially independent. The reality for Scotland is that it is unable to finance its social welfare services, its healthcare, education, defence and much more without the support of the rest of the UK.
yahsue
16th Mar 2017
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The important issue here is that Scotland is not, and has never been a Region. It is a country in its own right, not a northern colony tacked on to England! Same applies to Wales.
Roof Top Crow
17th Mar 2017
0
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Britain is an island. Before any kind of democracy existed in Britain kingdoms were created. Wessex, Mercia, Northumbria, Picts, Britannia and many more. Unfortunately the existence of these kingdoms and man-made barriers led to protectionism, fighting and border controls.

Ultimately common sense prevailed and it was recognised that as an island we are all better of together with fairly standard rules, tax and currency and social values.

if you draw a line across Britain from just above Carlisle on the west coast to Berwick upon Tweed on the east coast you have Scotland to the north of the line and England to the South.

Being above or below he line does not create a country, a region or a colony. The line just identifies the name of a part of the land mass of the island of Britain.
Lionel
17th Mar 2017
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Dear me, RoofTop, twice in one day I find myself in agreement with you. Whatever you're on, have some more!
djl277
16th Mar 2017
3
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Scotland contribute more in tax to Westminster than is returned as by way of the Barnett block grant. (raised £45b block grant £26.9b - HMRC). Not all of the taxes raised in Scotland are attributed to Scotland - £5b of revenue from the Whisky industry is actually attributed to England.

The Scottish Government finances all the things you say we can't afford out of this £29.9b. This is the only source of income for the SG - they have no borrowing powers.

What makes you think that an Independent Scotland would manage its finances in the same reckless way that the UK Government has? Our priorities would be different - Trident, and the obscene amount spent on it would be the 1st to go. We wouldn't be paying for the refurbishment of The HoC, crossrail, HS2 or many of the other projects my tax is used for but from which I see no benefit. So yes, we will still be one of the richest countries (we are not a "region") in the world.
Lionel
17th Mar 2017
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Your posts about tax contributions, be they true or not, are becoming rather boring. Do you have anything else to say?
Wilf
16th Mar 2017
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What I am not sure of though is why Scotland would actually like to be independent from the rest of the UK. What benefit will the man in the street have? The union has been around for 350 years...we are all intermingled...I have many relatives who are Scottish and friends. Why have a split and brake what is not broken?
djl277
16th Mar 2017
2
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To take control of our own affairs.

Do you live int live in Scotland? If you do then you would understand that many of us realise that the Union is not working for us. Attitude and priorities in Scotland are somewhat different to those in others areas of the UK.

Scottish MPs have NEVER turned what would have been a Conservative government into a Labour one, or indeed vice versa. - on only TWO occasions, the most recent of them being 38 years ago, (1964 and the second of the two 1974 elections), have Scottish MPs given Labour a majority they wouldn't have had from England/Wales/NI alone. In the last GE we sent 56 SNP MPs to WM, yet we are where we are regarding Independence. Why? Because however we (and NI) vote we will always get a Parliament and party voted in by voters in England. Scotland has one Conservative MP, one Labour MP and one Liberal Democrat MP - does that not tell you something?

I have friends and relatives in England (and Wales) - what's your point?
Wilf
16th Mar 2017
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My point is what exactly will the man in the street benefit from this. How will my friends in Scotland benefit...more money?...better healthcare?...better services?
Wilf
16th Mar 2017
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I totally agree with everything you say here Roof Top. A lot of commonsense. It sounds great to have an independent Scotland and perhaps quite romantic as well?...but the economic reality both for Scotland, England, Wales and Northern Ireland would be a disaster!
djl277
16th Mar 2017
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"My point is what exactly will the man in the street benefit from this. How will my friends in Scotland benefit...more money?...better healthcare?...better services?"

Yes.
Drummeg
15th Mar 2017
7
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As a social worker for many years I have seen only increased poverty and reduction of services over many years. We still have free prescription, my daughter got to university because our tuition is free, thankfully the Scottish government prop-up those sadly confronted by the bedroom tax. I am not a Scottish nationalist however there has to be an alternative way of doing things that is more democratic and fairer and not about only those who can buy themselves a good life/living. With independence, Scotland can look forward to a new kind of politic, one that is better all round, including for our economy. Be brave Scotland, be strong. We remain friends with our other rUK counterparts, these relations have nothing to do with Scots wanting independence.
Munsterlander
15th Mar 2017
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this seems to provoke a lot of passion. With some commonsense we would not be coming out of Europe for a start. If we could have limited immigration to a sensible degree and stopped the "federal state of Europe" and just kept the Eu as a trading pact we would still be in it. Likewise Scotland should not leave the UK. Its already got a separate Parliament so why totally separate. We are a a partly Scottish family and have many Scottish friends in Edinburgh
scandiman
15th Mar 2017
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I think you've made an important point. If we could have limited immigration and prevented ourselves being sucked into a federal Europe, we wouldn't be where we are now. Unfortunately, politicians don't do 'common sense '. A succession of governments both Tory and Labour seem to have hoped for the best. They were determined to promote federalism without bothering to explain to anyone what their real intentions were, all cloaked in the idea that this was best for us. They persuaded themselves that their apparently superior intellect would enable them to sell us any idea; by the time we realised what was happening, oh dear, it's too late to stop it. For over a century, Labour and the Tories have taken it in turns to govern us, so we have them to blame for the mess we're in.
irene barr
15th Mar 2017
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Not everyone in Scotland is a fan of ms Sturgeon , her mother has been lady mayor of Irvine and her father is trying to get elected again i think Scotland would be better without Sturgeons .
Albaog
15th Mar 2017
3
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Oh dear and you are unaware of any Labour/Tory politicians with a similar family involvement. I will help Sarwar, Mundell, and of course Kinnocks. Check the HoL for politicians ejected by the electorate.
RichardA3
15th Mar 2017
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Time to go it alone. Worst pension in the eu apart from Greece. Oil mismanaged chronically by uk. Example is Shell which pays tax in 23 out of 24 countries. Uk pays it. Norway has a £500bn+ oil fund to take care of its citizens in the future while uk has mounting debts of over £1.7tn. Our children's children will suffer hugely if we don't make the change. I'm retired and I despair for my children's future in the uk.
Taysider
15th Mar 2017
6
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The UKGov are making a right mess given David Davis remarks at a commons committee today.
Having no plan, I find this astonishing no company would act this way
CraigM7
15th Mar 2017
8
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How dare those ungrateful Jocks want to run their own country? What do you mean it's their democratic right? I didn't think Scotland was allowed democracy? I thought they just had to do what Westminster tells them???
CraigM7
15th Mar 2017
5
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Sturgeon has absolutely no right causing division and uncertainty, those powers are reserved to Westminster.
GrumpyArchieH
15th Mar 2017
5
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First we have to win our independence! Later we can decide what kind of Government we want And vote on wether we want full membership of the EU or not but it will be US who decide not arrogant MP's in Westminster some of whom have never been in our country, so come on you elders of Scotland! Get out there and vote YES for your grandchildren.
Irene71
15th Mar 2017
0
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With whose money???!
djl277
16th Mar 2017
0
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The money of those who donate to the campaign. Here's the address where you can make your donation.

https://www.ref.scot/donate
Jenninora
15th Mar 2017
9
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The freedom of speech and a platform like we have here on a site like this , one will have different opinions. I think we are lucky to be able to express like this.
Nothing wrong in a bit of opposing view points.
That is a form of communication.
Each one of us have valid thought.
Wilf
15th Mar 2017
6
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Thats why I love Silversurfers Jenninora its the right to have freedom of speech and debate issues like this which are important to us all.
ElizabethS7
15th Mar 2017
7
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For those talking finances...saying that Scotland relies on UK. That we don't pay our way..

Why does Westminster want to keep us so much?

We know that answer.
MorrisandDoris
16th Mar 2017
0
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ElizabethS7
15th Mar 2017
5
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So much name calling on here. Not nice. Your arguments don't hold any substance when you start name calling.

Nicola Sturgeon wants another referendum because the goal posts were moved.

Our last was voted with the Better Together campaigners insisting that we could only stay in the EU by staying in UK. People voted on that.

Now we are not in the EU. Scotland wants to be in the EU.

We deserve another referendum.

We will have another referendum.
Lionel
15th Mar 2017
-1
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Why do you deserve another referendum? Haven't you had enough with two within two years?

Do tell me, what makes Scots people so special that they deserve such special attention from the remaining three nations in the Union?
djl277
16th Mar 2017
3
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"We believe that the Scottish Parliament should have the right to hold another referendum if there is clear and sustained evidence that independence has become the preferred option of a majority of the Scottish people – or if there is a significant and material change in the circumstances that prevailed in 2014, such as Scotland being taken out of the EU against our will."

From the SNP Manifesto 2016, so yes we will have another referendum.

Your patronising superior "we know better" tone is exactly what we in Scotland are getting from Westminster and will be the reason we vote Yes.
djl277
15th Mar 2017
2
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When bereft of a good solid argument, sprinkled with mis-information read in the likes of The Daily Mail or heard on The BBC, it's inevitable that some will resort to insults.
Avril
15th Mar 2017
2
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I am Scottish. I am British. I am sick and tired of SNP bleating on about Independence. We HAD our vote 3 years ago and we DON'T need another one. I do not want put through this again. It is divisive and destructive. All Sturgeon and Salmond want to do is stir up trouble.
cookieman1998
16th Mar 2017
0
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Hattie
15th Mar 2017
-1
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Mmm, now she is backing out, she no longer want's EU membership so, she won't have to have referendum, she knows most Scots don't want another referendum.
This lady seems to change her mind day by day so what is she going to do for money if she can't use Euro or, the pound?
It's just sad she is putting Scottish people through this.
Anyway, good luck what ever happens.
Lionel
15th Mar 2017
-4
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Hattie, once again an insightful comment and I thank you for it.
ElizabethS7
15th Mar 2017
5
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She's not backing out.
Scottish people might want this (I do). The media report that we don't.
Lionel
15th Mar 2017
-2
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You should have read the Glasow Herald today.
djl277
16th Mar 2017
1
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You should have read The National today.
Lionel
17th Mar 2017
0
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National what? Is that a peculiarly Scots publication?
Jenninora
15th Mar 2017
-1
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There should be no further referendum in Scotland. The people have spoken.
Just as it is like, in different countries of the world, individuals have agendas for disruption. This is causing fragmentation and tribal tendencies. Tendency to do this if they want control and not like the management.

In these times, the world has become like a rubic and not lining up for the success of all.

The top tier is spinning for all its worth,serving many with collective business, financial and otherwise.
Business reaches one country to the other throughout many parts of the world. That is good.
If this worked perfectly the benefits of this should reach down to the lower tiers of our world. It does not look like it is doing this successfully. Much is done though I would say.

The next tier looks like it is spinning in the opposite direction with fanatical objectives. This is bringing about fragmentation ( as if it is going back to ancient times thinking. Ancient history and artifacts are destroyed forever in some lands.

The lower tier is the large population of famine hit, poor and weak of our world.
In 2017, this seems no better than the prior sixty years.
Much has been tried to be done and still it looks bad.
Famine happens,but it is wretched.

Whatever has happened, these different tiers are not working more for each other and connecting for a more unified and fair world.

Time will bring about a changed world for those that come after us.
CraigM7
15th Mar 2017
-2
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It's a bit mean of you denying my countrymen a referendum on THEIR future...
Tuuracoo
15th Mar 2017
8
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Scotland is a wealthy nation with hard working intelligent people who are very capable of running our own affairs to the benefit of all who live here, without any interference from Westminster.
ElizabethS7
15th Mar 2017
3
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RosemaryD
15th Mar 2017
2
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pippajaydog
15th Mar 2017
0
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We lved north of the border for almost 30 years and never ever felt their was any interference from Westminster. What we witnessed was the opposite. A greater level of power almost weekly being passed over to the Scottish Parliament. I'm more conscious of eu interference here in England to be honest and it will be no different in Scotland if they choose that route. If Scotland gets into the eu and when, unlike England, the EU will RULE Scotland. I can't believe the majority of Scots want that and will vote to exchange one so called boss for a more authoritarian ruler.
CraigM7
15th Mar 2017
1
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There isn't really a comparison with Brussels and Westminster...give me Brussels any day for a more democratic outlook...just over 2 years ago we Scot's were begged not to leave the UK we were a valued EQUAL partner who should lead the UK not leave it...we were also given a "vow" that we would have as near to ferderalism as possible...the day after we voted NO David Cameron told us EVEL would need to be organized before any Scottish issues (what a kick in the crotch that was)...then the vow didn't materialise the SNP sent 56 out of 59 MP's down to Westminster to try to make changes but unfortunately 59 out 650 MP's cannot make changes...So what are we to do? we can't change things at Westminster we don't like, we get voted down..our only recourse is independence!
RosemaryD
15th Mar 2017
4
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big difference. EU is a union of ewuals. UK is not. and eu woukd.not.hwve control of our purse strings and give us an allowance..
Lionel
15th Mar 2017
2
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Oh, please, what does it matter May was not directly elected? We as a Union for for a party and they chose a second leader, thence to become prime minister.

Do you really think Cameron woukd have done you a better deal?
RogerM5
14th Mar 2017
6
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Great news - Indy2! Despite what some commentators say Scotland is, I believe, well able to look after itself.
SebastianB
14th Mar 2017
6
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of course.... Nicola Sturgeon is legitimate to call for another referendum through the last elections and Brexit referendum.... Theresa May was not even elected!!!
Lionel
14th Mar 2017
0
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Let's cut to some facts here. As a stand alone economy Scotland is dead from day one. It already has £7 billion pounds of government debt, plus that private credit card debt which is counted as the UK as a whole.

During the last referendum oil was counted at $116 a barrel, Within months it fell to $36 a barrel due to over supply. Smaller fields were shut down and of course oil revenues decreased yet more. Let's not forget, so much of the industrial, commercial and scientific output of Scotland was funded by the UK, not Scotland. 8.000 jobs at Faslane and other UK defence establishments - 8,000 on the dole is expensive and they could well form a splinter group wanting a change in politics.

If the remaining three countries in in the UK demanded their recent investments in Scotland be paid back ... the country is already bankrupt so it would get worse.

If you want Scots independence then prepare for severe economic depression, prepare for massive job losses, prepare for closed roads and bridges because they can't be serviced, prepare for school closures, and university places closed down. Prepare for a Scotland like Britain in the inter-War depression.

These bad times the Scots will have brought upon themselves - they cannot blame a costly war.

We Brits want you, but Europe doesn't. I want Scotland to remain in the Union, but it's your choice. Let's face it folks, the Union doesn't work for Scots people only because the Poison Pixie has told you so. Believe the witch of Holyrood or use your own heads. It's your call.

If the Poison Pixie speaks for you, then brace yerself laddie, it's a gonna get rough. Rougher than you think. And we, the other countries in the Union, won't be there to help. If Scotland believes it's first minster, then Scotland, so sadly, must pay the price, but be assured, there's no going back.
djl277
15th Mar 2017
2
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It would be great if you could provide us with some facts, figures and references to back up all these claims you make.

For example, with no borrowing power, where does Scotland's £7m come from? What "private credit card debt "?

8,000 on the dole from Faslane - love to see where you got that figure from.

"Let's not forget, so much of the industrial, commercial and scientific output of Scotland was funded by the UK, not Scotland" Are suggesting that no one in Scotland pays taxes? My taxes go towards Crossrail, HS2, Refurbishment of The HoP, Buckingham Palace and a myriad of other "investments" outside Scotland that I see no benefit from.

When devoid of facts and figures
CharlieA
15th Mar 2017
8
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Nobody can trust the treasury figures.
Nobody knows where the vat comes from it the corporation taxes or the duty.
There is no separate book keeping on the point of sale.

Scotland will do will do better in charge of its own affairs.
Hattie
14th Mar 2017
1
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Actually, i feel a bit sad that the Scottish people want o break up the UK but still if that's what they want.
They say they want independence they won't have independence they will be ruled by EU and will have to come up with monies EU demand.
If EU don't admit Scotland can they survive in the world? Has N. Sturgeon planned for that?
ElizabethS7
15th Mar 2017
4
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We just want to sit in the driving seat rather than have a neighbouring country do all the driving. Sometimes that countries drives us to places we don't want to be.
MegL
14th Mar 2017
9
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The Scottish people must have a say over the future direction of this country.
Balti
14th Mar 2017
1
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Nicole Sturgeon and the SNP should be careful what they wish for
WayneM
14th Mar 2017
1
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Do it now not next year, do it now and hopefully we can get rid of this woman for a generation
Bruce2876
14th Mar 2017
9
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70 years old, I want independence in time for my grandkids to benefit from a free country. I don't want them to suffer the Tory, or Labour Party play actors.
TracieC
14th Mar 2017
10
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i was a yes in 2014 and im still yes now
i think nicola has got it spot on i just pray that scotland can take a leap of faith and get behind her
This isnt about the SNP or Nicola Sturgeon its about the future of Scotland xx
JacquiC4
14th Mar 2017
8
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It's our only chance of securing our children's future and ending Tory rule!
aseumas
14th Mar 2017
10
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I agree with Sandyt6. We should be allowed to run our own country, the way we see fit.
SandyT6
14th Mar 2017
12
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Independence within the EU, sounds better than the next 15 years of Tory rule
GlenM
14th Mar 2017
7
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Nicola Sturgeon is one of the finest politicians in the U.K. Just now. Plus she was elected.
DotD
14th Mar 2017
-5
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It may turn out as the last one did and then maybe Ms Sturgeon will accept the will of the Nation. If not they will have to face the consequences of her inflated ego
Lionel
15th Mar 2017
0
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At last, a word of truth. Thank you.
ElizabethS7
15th Mar 2017
4
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Scottish Independence isn't about Ms Sturgeon. Or even the SNP. It's about the Scottish people running their own country.
DotD
16th Mar 2017
0
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Yes, but the Scottish people voted to stay within the UK last time, so therefore she should accept the democratic decision, irrespective of whether the MAJORITY of UK citizens (including Scottish) voted to leave the EU.

If there is to be another Referendum in Scotland on independence then the will of the people should be respected and the decision final, whichever way the vote goes.
Lainie2412
14th Mar 2017
10
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Scotland needs to be in charge of its own affairs. Being part of the UK is not working for any of the devolved administrations.
GordonM7
14th Mar 2017
4
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Promises were made and not kept,lies were used to intimidate,only fair another referendum is held
JimS
14th Mar 2017
-2
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do not agree with this poll it is rubbish
CraigM7
15th Mar 2017
1
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There are plenty of English people voting against the referendum on here...most only know what their biased MSM tells them...Scotland will prevail!
Lionel
15th Mar 2017
0
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You don't take account of those of us who have friends and family who are Scottish and still reside their.

Rather short sighted view, don't you think?
P999j
14th Mar 2017
6
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Yes, of course there should be another referendum. What, is self-determination ok for Uk outside EU but not for Scotland outside UK?
Look up Stockholm syndrome.
What is wrong that people don't think we are capable of managing our own country?
Besides, we have a better NHS, fee prescriptions, free care for the elderly, etc.
Nicole Sturgoon insourcing democratically elected first minister and she does speak for the majority in Scotland.
Hell, I feel not for yourselves, whatsort of country do you want to leave for your grandchildren?
One stripped bare by the Tories?
Arguments based on personal insults are lost already. Be dignified.
After E.V.E.L, there will never be a Scottish Prime Minister. Our MPs are booed and jeered at. Have you no Scottish blood burning in your veins?
As long as 100 of us still remain....?
ElizabethS7
15th Mar 2017
2
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Hattie
14th Mar 2017
-7
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Why do the Scottish people put up with this woman?
She keeps on! and on! and on! with her threats to the English, just get on and do it woman.
English will be able to take back money and use it for our own elderly/NHS and the rest that the Scottish people get for free.
Lionel
15th Mar 2017
0
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CraigM7
15th Mar 2017
0
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Hattie your MP's voted against free prescriptions and free further education...think about that...and do something about it instead of moaning about a great politician who does everything she can to help Scotland and her people...
Lionel
15th Mar 2017
1
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Sturgeon a great politician? She's Salmond's lackey!
Yodama
24th Mar 2017
0
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Bang on the money.
ElizabethS7
15th Mar 2017
3
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Oh..think about something.
Why does Westminster want to keep Scotland so much if we are such a drain?

Think about something else..
Why don't the English politicians try to fight for the English people in the same way as our Scottish politicians do?
HelenaB6
14th Mar 2017
9
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This is the reason behind why we have rejected the Tories, Labour & the Lib/Dems. When did you hear the truth of what Independence is about from any one of these parties.

Scotland has only 8.3% of the UK's population. 8.3%! Remember this important figure... 8.3%
But we DO have...
32% of the land area
61% of the sea area
90% of the fresh water. (There is more fresh water in loch Ness than In England and Wales combined!)
65% of the natural gas production
96.5% of the crude oil production
47% of the open cast coal production
81% of the untapped coal reserves
62% of the timber production
46% of the total forest area
92% of the hydro electric production
40% of the wind wave and solar energy production
60% of the fish landings
30% of the beef herd
20% of the sheep herd
9% of the dairy herd
10% of the pig herd
15% of the cereal holdings
20% of the potato holdings
...obviously 100% of the Scotch Whisky industry.
We have a...
17 billion pound construction industry
13 billion food and drink industry
10 billion business services industry
9.3 billion chemical services industry
9.3 billion tourism industry
7 billion financial services industry
5 billion aeroservice industry
4.5 billion whisky export industry
3.1 billion life sciences industry
Scotland still has 350 million pounds worth of textile exports
We have 25% of Europes wave and wind energy potential.
And finally we are blessed to have 1.5 trillion pounds - £1,500,000,000,000 worth of oil and gas reserves.
All of this, yet only 8.3% of The UK's population...
IGNORANCE...
If you hear anyone saying "i don't like Nicola Sturgeon or Alex Salmond" or "I don't like the SNP"...This vote is about Scotland's right to elect it's own government... It has nothing whatsoever to do with Salmond or the snp. Don't let political ignorance ruin this opportunity.
Do you know... This is the UK's legacy of success in our history of being better-together:
The UK has the 3rd lowest pensions in the 34 OECD countries of the world
The UK has the single most expensive childcare in the European Union
The UK has the second lowest-paid economy in the entire developed world
The UK has the 3rd longest working hours in the EU
The UK has the lowest number of holidays in the EU
The UK has the 8th highest gender inequality pay gap out of the EU's 28 countries
The UK has the highest likelihood of poverty in disablement in the EU
The UK has the highest rail prices in Europe
The UK has the second highest housing cost in Europe
The UK has the highest fuel poverty rates in Europe.
The UK is the 4th highest country of wealth inequality in the entire planet!
Surely these awful figures should not be possible when you read the Scottish statistics above...
Finally, did you know that in all of the UK elections for Westminster ever!... Not one vote cast in SCOTLAND has ever mattered! Because of the Westminster numbers, whatever government England votes for, the UK gets. So we have no democracy here!!! 4 decades of tory rule that we voted against is proof enough, and our defiance was punished by the closure of all the mines; closure of all the steelworks; closure of all the shipyards losing thousands of jobs. The term used by Thatcher when these industries needed some assistance was "let the markets decide". Funny how when the greedy banks collapsed everywhere they were bailed out to the tune of over a trillion pounds of our money... Not a mention of "let the markets decide".
FACTS:
Fact: Scotland has an oil boom waiting to happen on the West Coast, but Michael Hesaltine signed a cessation of any form of oil exploration in the entire area in the 80's to make way for nuclear submarines which Scotland doesn't want!
Fact: Scotland has shown its revulsion time and time again to nuclear weapons but they place them here against our countries wishes. A recent contingency report was carried out about the feasibility of relocating them in Portsmouth. The report stated that it was unfeasible because the detrimental risk to the area of an incident was too high. (Ok for the Clyde though)
Fact: Scotland, with only 1 Tory MP, was forced to take the shocking attack on the poor & disabled called The Bedroom Tax, even though Holyrood voted to utterly reject this awful tax on the poor. Westminster gave us it anyway!
Fact: We are led to believe that the oil in our waters is finished and its a dying industry. Yet 13.5 billion has been invested by oil companies in the last 2 years alone!
Fact: The Clair Oil Field is about to open it's 3rd phase, and on its own has over 650 million barrels which will be extracted over 20+ years with production reaching a hundred thousand barrels a day!
Fact: Scotland gives more to Westminster than it gets back. Do you really think they'd be so keen to keep us if we were being subsidised like they'd have us believe?
Fact: Westminster has amassed over £1.3 trillion debt and still growing at nearly £6000 a second. Thats another £516 million today alone which YOU will have to pay for.
Fact: Of the 178 countries that have gained their own independence across this planet, not one single one of them has ever asked to reverse this independence
cookieman1998
16th Mar 2017
-2
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I wonder who cooked these figures up.
Lionel
15th Mar 2017
0
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You wouldn't be an SNP troll, would you?
djl277
15th Mar 2017
2
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Trouble is HelenaB6 people don't read about this in The Daily Mail, The Scotsman, The Herald, The Telegraph, The Times or hear about it on Radio 4 News, Good Morning Scotland, Reporting Scotland or BBC News and sadly, this is where most folk get their mis-information.
pricklymoon
14th Mar 2017
8
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We don't "put up with her" she is our elected first minister, and she speaks for us. (unlike the unelected May) who speaks for the Tory party, that doesn't really exist in Scotland :p
Hattie
14th Mar 2017
1
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Thanks for reply, like i said above why does she just keep on with her threats, have her referendum, and if majority of Scottish people want independence fine.
georgespence
14th Mar 2017
10
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Hattie, it is not the English Nation that is the opposition it is Westminster.
Irrespective of how the majority of the Scottish electorate votes, we get the Government that England wants.
We have no voice and no control.
Surely you are aware of the policies forced on Scotland, Bedoom Tax, Trident, Budget cuts to Scotland year on year, austerity, benefit cuts for the disabled, Old age pension cuts, Taxation on Private and Workers Pensions Schemes causing a 50 reduction in workers pensions.
Whereas the SNP has provided, Free further education, support covering bed room tax, free school meals for all primary 1,2 and 3, created more hospital staff positions in the past 2 years, provided transport infrastructure (Queensferry Crossing, Aberdeen Bypass, M8 Upgrade, M74 Glasgow South Link, Upgrade A9), Free bus passes, Free Care for the elderly
Lionel
14th Mar 2017
-8
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The SNP has provided all this? The SNp has provided the Queensferry crossing?

No, Westminster funded that, and much else the poison pixies claims for her won.

Added to which millions mor have been allocated to Scotland in the latest budget.

If you think Scotland is hard done by, try living in England while we'tr psying the bills for the devolved nations.
cookieman1998
16th Mar 2017
0
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scrooge
15th Mar 2017
5
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Westminster refused to loan the money ,but Scotland pays in more than she gets back
Scottish public revenues 2015/16-£53.7 Billion
Total block grant 2015/16 £30.4 Billion
Retained by Westminster £23.3 Billion
43.3% so who subs who then?
andyg26
14th Mar 2017
6
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Actually the Queensferry crossing was jointly funded by Transport Scotland and European Regional Development Fund.
Hattie
14th Mar 2017
3
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georgeespence, thanks for reply. Sounds to me like SNP is loaded, and like i said if Scottish people want independence then vote for another referendum.
Hattie
14th Mar 2017
2
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Sorry, have had 2 e-mails with replies to above but cant see them?
JoyMac
14th Mar 2017
4
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The people of Scotland pay tax. The tax is collected and sent to Westminster. A % is sent back to Scotland as the Barnet formula. The Scottish government sets a budget and balances its books with that money. They do not borrow and so do not have a deficit, unlike Westminster.

What the Scottish government decides to do with the money that is returned as a grant (Barnet) is for them to decide. It is not taking money from anyone elses budget.


This from a post by Derek Hamilton .............all credit for the research to him.
"Here is some information/ammunition to use when challenging union support

HMRC published the following figures:
A) revenue raised in Scotland £45.056 billion
B) Block grant awarded to Scotland £26.984billion
C) Scotlands stated contribution to the union ££17.2 billion
D) in the same year Scotlands internationally recognised waters raised , NOT for Scotland, for the UK government £469.777 billion pounds
E) by the HMRCs own admission these figure do not include some £4-5 billion pounds MISATTRIBUTED to England which should have been attributed to Scotland
IF SCOTLAND HAD BEEN INDEPENDENT we would have collected the £45 billion figure and kept that in the SCOTTISH TREASURY
We were able to balance the books at £26.98 billion (the block grant) so our SURPLUS would have been £17billion
Add to that 96% of the North Sea revenue and you get a surplus of £469billion!!!
Can you all now see why Theresa May will do anything and everything to stop Scotlands independence?
£469 BILLION IN SURPLUS IN ONE YEAR!!!! Scotland is a wealthy country
Oh yes and before you say 'ah but oil prices have hit rock bottom' .... the above figures were produced when oil was just under $40 a barrel!!!
And also note that we would have been £17 billion in SURPLUS without a penny of oil revenue!!
WHY ARE YOU AGAINST INDEPENDENCE???????"
GordonM7
14th Mar 2017
2
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georgespence
14th Mar 2017
4
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Westminster claims Scotland is financially dependent on GB.
Facts are
Scotland receive 8% of Oil and Gas Revenues.
Warminster takes 92%.
ALL Scottish products exported from English Ports and Airports are allocated to Englands Gross Domestic Product per Capita NOT Scotland thereby skewing GDP down in favour of increasing England's.
Westminster allocate £15000 per person to transport costs in London and £1500 per person in Scotland.
The Labour Party with Gordon Brown, Ed Balls and Ed Milliband in the treasury introduced taxation on all Works/Employers/Private Pension Schemes creating the 5 Billion Pound black hole pensions schemes cutting pensions by an cumulative 50% since introduction.
Pre SNP control in the Scottish Parliament every Labour, Liberal, Tory party as election pledges promised a new River Forth crossing only to renage once elected,
Only the SNP follow through on their Promises/Pledges.
Scotland traditionally voted Labour at National elections and even with Labour Governments in control were lied to, robbed, exploited and ridiculed.
The Proof is there research yourself do not believe the Westminster Propaganda Machine.
Lionel
15th Mar 2017
0
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Is your SNP ssalary declared on your income tax forms?
BillW
14th Mar 2017
5
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Nobody has asked us if we wanted a hard brexit. Nobody told me that I agreed that my vote in the first indy ref was a once in lifetime (sic) generation vote. Scots vote overwhelmingly in both the general and Scottish parliamentary elections for the SNP to govern us and their mandate clearly stated outcomes if we are forced out of the EU. Are we not allowed to change our mind, or do we now live in a fascist state. This rubbish about being ruled by EU, give us a break/ We Scots have been put down for over 300 years by a union of unequals. I want the children of my country to travel unfettered throughout Europe and the wider world. Its not the EU that is fractured and disunited it is us in the UK. The brexit vote was a sham and May as an unelected PM has decided to inflict the worst possible brexit on the people of this kingdom. We all share the blame for the disintegration that will follow brexit, for allowing EVEL and the rise of the right wing MPs. All that follows is down to them, not the 3 other parts of empire 2.
Led
14th Mar 2017
0
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Obviously it's predominantly English people on here. This Tory government has destroyed Britain.
Cactus14
14th Mar 2017
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What is it with people?? If you have a referendum and the result is YES or NO. That is the end of it, put your dummy back in and walk away. But it's not only wee Jimmy krankie is it, it all the people who want to stay in Europe even after a democratic vote.. all of you play by the rules and stop whinging.
Dadog
15th Mar 2017
1
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They don't believe in that sort of thing, Cactus. It's this odd belief that you have a referendum over and over again until they get what they want. It's a system invented by the EU and taken up by the SNP.
Lionel
15th Mar 2017
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Yep, well said. I'd like a re-run of th 1951 general election that put an aged Churchill back in power.

If that is possible, that al lsubsequent elections are invalid and we are not members of the EU!
Dadog
16th Mar 2017
0
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Lionel
14th Mar 2017
-5
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So well said Cactus, the voice of reason in a welter of emotional rubbish. Democracy, the will of the people, must rule or we devolve into anarchy.
MayFlower alba
14th Mar 2017
7
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How sad you feel that way, the Scottish people voted to stay in the EU . Our First Minister was democratically elected by the people of Scotland who knew Independance was in the manifesto , unlike Teresa May who has NOT been democratically voted in by anyone to lead any country.
We as a Nation WILL have our Referendum no matter what
georgespence
14th Mar 2017
9
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Not the most original quote, I prefer to read facts rather than insults.
Fact is Westminster has not followed through on the promises it made during the last referendum campaign, in fact they have introduced more austerity and punishment renaged completely on all references regarding greater autonomy.
Please pay attention to the facts not the Westminster propaganda machine.
Lionel
14th Mar 2017
-2
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You prefer to read facts? Do you really think the material you're presented with is fact?

Oh, come on, if you want to be taken seriously ...
Lionel
14th Mar 2017
-2
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As opposed to the Holyrood propaganda machine, which is paid for by the rest of the UK? Who do you think paid £700 million for your parliament building? The rest of the UK.

What is claimed as Scottish oil is not that at all. No, it is an investment by the entire UK and we will all benefit. The three other nations in the UK generously give Scotland an enhanced share of oil taxes - another gift. To be precise, that oil is in international waters, way beyond the three mile limit. You Scots could as easily be fighting the Norwegians for a share. They need to enhance their sovereign wealth fund.

Perhaps it is the Scots who need to pay attention to the facts, not we Brits.
YvonneO
14th Mar 2017
6
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Things have changed since 2014, Scottish people have the right to vote no or yes again taking all the changes/false promises into consideration. Others will change their vote, but we need to get this over and done with as this time everybody knows the facts and nobody can say we were lied to etc
Lionel
15th Mar 2017
0
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Where does this 'right' come from

Stricyly speaking, in life one has only one right, and that is to die. All else are privileges granted by someone else, privileges which may be withdrawn on a whim.

So let's not ta;lk about rights, eh. Let's talkj facts, not ephemera.
Paulo51
14th Mar 2017
4
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Older generation need to stop being so selfish and start thinking of future generations of Scots.

Independence is the only way forward
Dadog
15th Mar 2017
1
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.....or backwards, Paulo.
kasia.k
15th Mar 2017
5
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Paulo51, I and many of my friends are of that older generation and believe you me, we could not be more in favour of Scottish independence. We have been SNP voters for decades and share the joy and optimism which currently abounds amongst younger independence supporters.

I agree that there are many dyed in the wool unionists amongst the older generations, but please don't lump all us oldies together as being selfish, I have grandchildren and want the best for them as they grow up and make their way in life. It is with them in mind that I am out there campaigning with all you young people for our much needed and long awaited independence. Bring it on!!
HeatherM8
14th Mar 2017
6
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We wouldn't need it if promises had been honoured and Scotlands wishes respected.
KevinO
14th Mar 2017
5
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The 2014 ref had all those promised called the Vow, and told vote No, stay in EU, so this needs to be settled and now if we see what Brexit looks like we are making an informed choice what have unionist to fear if it's so clear, you'll win again, or is there a deeper feeling this time it's going to be different, one can but campaign .
Freddies granny
14th Mar 2017
2
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Why is it the done thing nowadays to, if you don't get the answer to a question asked , you insist on asking again. The general synod of the C of E.
Lionel
15th Mar 2017
-1
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Quite right! Tears before bedtime come to mind.
CarolC7
14th Mar 2017
3
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I agree it is up to the people if Scotland but as a regular visitor up there and family living there I get the impression they where happy remaining part of the Union and I don't think the EU referendum as changed that
Belles
14th Mar 2017
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What part of the word 'democracy' does Ms Sturgeon not understand?

'No' means 'No' - not 'we'll have another election if we do not like the results of the one we lost'. Can't help but compare this situation with a football/rugby match where the losing team demand a replay because they did not like the score..........
MikeC4
14th Mar 2017
3
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Why do you have elections every few years if you only get to choose once?
Dadog
15th Mar 2017
0
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Why...what does that suggest? To have a referendum every 5 years or so - just to decide whether to stay independent or rejoin the UK?
georgespence
14th Mar 2017
10
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Same goes for all the promises the Better together campaign made, then ignored.
And what about all the fears the said would occur with independence and the Westminster actually implemented these fears that are now fact.
The Government lied.
Westminster will have no control next time all ballot counts will be conducted in Scotland including postal ballots.
Lionel
15th Mar 2017
0
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What office in the SNP do you hold? I couldn't find you in the lists online.
Pam1960
14th Mar 2017
4
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I agree all sides lied. Just saying it would be wrong to proceed with anything other than what was in the campaign manifestos as that is what people voted for. To move forward with anything different makes the whole referendum pointless
alancrerar
14th Mar 2017
5
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What part of 'democracy' do you not understand? Its just asking a question - Switzerland and Iceland have about three referendums a year - that IS democracy. If the SNP lose it again, then Scottish Indy is off the table for a generation. A great result for Unionist democrats. There is of course the possibilty of an SNP win right enough. Could that be your problem with 'democracy'?
Pam1960
14th Mar 2017
-6
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Maybe we should all stick to the results of the last two referendums on the basis that Westminster adheres to the letter everything that was set out in the winning campaign manifestos. There should be no discussion on soft or hard Brexit it should be exactly what was voted for. In the case of the Scottish Independence vote the same applies. If there are to be changes then new referendums should be allowed as the results on lies to get votes.
Lionel
14th Mar 2017
-2
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Well Pam, that may be just too simple for people. No longer is democracy top of the tree, no, it's one's personal opinion that rules, not the will of the majority.

Sorry state we're in, don't you think?
Dadog
14th Mar 2017
-12
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No....because they had their self proclaimed 'once in a lifetime opportunity' before - so now they want another? I don't think Sturgeon has adequately thought this out. Theresa May should withhold any permission until Brexit terms are finalised and then let the Scots decide if they want another vote. So many questions for them....apply to join the EU? (is that independence?). Assume the Euro? Allow free migration on the EU's terms? Accept border controls between them and the UK? The list goes on.
georgespence
14th Mar 2017
4
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Westminster speaks with forked tongue.
No border controls between Northern Ireland and the Republic,
Special dispensations for the Financial sector and London.
Promises made to Scotland then renaged on.
All Scottish products exported through English Ports and Airports credited to England not Scotland.
Scotland receives 8% of oil ang gas revenues, England receives 92%.
mick2e1hzm
14th Mar 2017
-2
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What she is not saying is how she will afford it if Scotland did vote to the UK, there would be no funding from central government, and she has been told that she can not join the EU, all this is her own personal agenda and nothing to do with the people of Scotland. Look at what she would have to provide armed forces, police health, education, plus the lose of 8,000 jobs because a county does not keep its Navy in a foreign country, this woman does not care about anything except her own twisted ideology
georgespence
14th Mar 2017
7
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The electorate of Scotland sent 49 SNP's to Westminster, 1 Tory, 1 Labour and 1 Liberal MP to Westminster.
Democracy gives the leader of the decision the right to speak for Scotland.
Lionel
15th Mar 2017
0
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Why? And why is Scotland so special?
poppylady
14th Mar 2017
-8
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Our first time answers are being ignored by this self serving person. We voted no and no should still stand if we are a democracy. Does she want a rerun of Culloden , Flodden or Bannockburn ? She has one agenda ,quote"get rid of the English" we have been hearing this for years from her and her predecessor and I am 80 .Its time she realised she is the worst thing to happen to Scotland in years and we need to clean out our outhouse !!
Lionel
15th Mar 2017
0
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My brush and dustpan is ready!
georgespence
14th Mar 2017
8
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I have never heard the First Minister inference at any time she want's to get rid of the English.
The Fact is she actually welcomes all to work, live and contribute in Scotland.
The outhouse has already been cleared, Labour, Liberal and Tory, they previously went to Westminster to represent Scotland and the proof is they did absolutely nothing for Scotland, worse still they are complicit in the destruction of industry and commerce, theft of resources and environment.
CyrilS
15th Mar 2017
0
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Half of Scotland lives and works in England. Quite a few of my friends are Scottish so it works both ways
JoyMac
14th Mar 2017
4
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The majority of people also now support the SNP.
Lionel
15th Mar 2017
0
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Lionel
14th Mar 2017
0
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Is that a fact? Please supply data.
Dadog
14th Mar 2017
0
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Poppylady....you forgot to mention a rerun of the Scotland/England rugby last weekend!
razzy
14th Mar 2017
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They voted no in Indyref 1 she is now ignoring the majority of the Scottish voters just as she is accusing Theresa May of doing over Brexit , even when NO to Independene for Scotland and Leave were the majority votes in both cases
VioletF
14th Mar 2017
-3
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A democratic vote was taken and the result should be honoured, if it goes the other way do we do it again in another two years. Nicola Sturgeon has manipulated the people of Scotland into believing her promises of a better future and some people have listened, where in reality it's more her own ego she cares about than Scotland. While I agree the present government should make changes to some of it's policies, I don't feel Scotland would benefit from being separated from the rest of the UK.
erniec315
14th Mar 2017
0
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crazytroll
14th Mar 2017
0
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What happens if Scotland votes to leave the UK and then the EU don't let Scotland remain in the EU - will she want back in? It would be sad not to have a United Kingdom but if she wants out and the EU is her desired option she should adopt the € and install a border.
RosemaryR8
14th Mar 2017
0
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What about we all go to hell in a handcart with May et al oh and then why don't we stand back and let her dismantle the Scottish Parliament then we can have a fantastic private nhs, private pensions and be allowed to work until we are 88 because we won't be entitled to that thing that was called a state pension. Oh another thing we can stop having is a safety net for people in Scotland affected by the bedroom tax and we can pay 9k a year for our kids uni fees my daughter was there for 5 years!!! Of course we can follow our own path as we do not belong to England we are a partner just as Wales and Ireland although we are looked upon as the poor relations. Do not worry about Scotland s future We the Scots will decide our path and this time we won't be fooled by the fear campaign , we have seen what it did in Scotland and unfortunately now in England. We are a small country with a small population and masses of potential and now we have the opportunity to decide whether we continue as a colony of England or a confident country willing to make its own choices and make its own mistakes just like every other country in the world.
poppylady
14th Mar 2017
-7
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Why punish the decent honest folk who want democracy ? I don't want a wall or a leader such as this stupid woman.
CyrilS
15th Mar 2017
-1
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sheco2437
14th Mar 2017
-1
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the Scottish people have already spoken.
jill corry
14th Mar 2017
-1
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Democracy is not about keeping on putting out a vote until you get the answer YOU want!!!! Scotland voted to stay as part of the Union so get over it Nicola Sturgeon. You are a constant irritant.
Jannyman23
14th Mar 2017
2
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Not yet our time will come but we must be patient!
Gordon55
14th Mar 2017
11
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Time to charge of our own destiny, stop blaming other people for our short Cummings
We have short changed our children , by not taking up the challenge to better ourselves and our country.
At least give them the chance to do it better
Dadog
15th Mar 2017
0
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Well said, Gordon. That same comment substantiates why the rest of the UK voted to come out of the EU.
Rebecca99
14th Mar 2017
-1
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FED up with Nicola Sturgeon forgetting about her day job and wasting time and money on her own agenda!
Paulo51
14th Mar 2017
4
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Isnt protecting scotlands best interest her day job?
BirdofParadise
14th Mar 2017
0
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That woman will drag Scotland down.
CyrilS
14th Mar 2017
1
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Think carefully before you vote to leave the rest of UK. Most of your trading is done with the rest of us. Sounds good to be independent
but could Scotland survive without the money we plough into it.
I don't think you realise how good a deal you have. Old people don't pay for residential care homes. In England we do and it cost thousands a year. Students don,t pay in England they do.
Nicholas Sturgeon and Co aren't very good at running the country being Billions in debt already.
We don't need people like her trying to destroy our country if Scotland was so against coming out of EU why did they vote in the first place. If the vote had gone the other way we would not have heard any thing except the SNP trying to get an independent Scotland.So let Mrs May get on with her job, we are depending on it.
CraigM7
15th Mar 2017
1
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What are you insinuating Cyril? If Scotland becomes independent there will be no trade between the 2 countries? That will hurt English businesses as well and it seems rather childish???
poppylady
14th Mar 2017
-2
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Sorry Cyril.-----we do have to pay for care homes !! A friend of mine had to sell her home to pay £ 800 a week in a home !! I am 80 and living in fear !!
CyrilS
15th Mar 2017
-1
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Sorry but your Government states that you don't pay. Better have a word with them.
poppylady
15th Mar 2017
0
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They lie as usual. I have just had a meeting this am to find out how much i would be charged and BANG. Goes my home £ 8/900 a week.
!!!!!
JoyMac
14th Mar 2017
2
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The Scottish Government is not in debt, Westminster is in debt. Scotland balances its books.

If you wish to pay free prescriptions, or university tuition (like most of northern europe) then vote for it.
Pam1960
14th Mar 2017
4
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Why are positions not held accountable for their blatant lies. In both referendums it seemed acceptable to lie then when it was found to not be the case swept under the carpet. It doesn't really matter either way as with Trump in charge of the USA we probably won't be here in a few years
thefilthycripple
14th Mar 2017
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I believe that there should be two provisos ,stop all payments under the Barnett formula now , two give the rest of the U.K. A vote on whether we wish to keep Scotland n the UNION.
thefilthycripple
15th Mar 2017
0
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Scotland will need to take over its share of National debt and pension liabilities for residents of Scotland ,good luck with that as Scotland has a greater proportion of an ageing population .
CraigM7
15th Mar 2017
2
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Do you think the Barnet formula is a hand out? The Barnet formula is a percentage of Scottish income tax which is given back to us as a block grant...The rest of our income tax goes to the Treasury...Scotland actually pays more than it recieves...too many of the people on here take what they are told by the MSM as gospel...it's not do your research!
2006winyard
14th Mar 2017
-1
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the first minister is a dangerous person, driven by delusions of grandeur, just like "Blair", she does not care about the best interests of the Scottish People, she see's herself sat at the "Top Tables" with World Leaders, be very wary of this woman
CraigM7
15th Mar 2017
1
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Since she already has the top job in Scotland your comments are ridiculous everything she does is for the benefit of Scotland and her people...contrast that with politicians in England who do everything for big business and corporations...l know who l would rather have leading my country...
maisie55
14th Mar 2017
1
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Just for now could Mrs Sturgeon not wait until the ship sails in calmer waters with the i's dotted and the t's crossed?
Dadog
14th Mar 2017
-3
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Absolutely right, Maisie. Then the Scottish people can have something to help them decide what they want to do and not just Sturgeon's rhetoric.
Lesley M
14th Mar 2017
4
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In the first referendum, we were told it was a once in a lifetime chance to decide this issue. Scotland voted, and decided against independence. Sturgeon and her cronies are an embarrassment to the people of Scotland who voted to REMAIN as part of the United Kingdom. She certainly does not speak for me when she comes out with all this rubbish - her only interest seems to be total destruction of our great Britain.
GordonM7
14th Mar 2017
2
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Think you'll find the Tories sold off the last of Gt Britain
poppylady
15th Mar 2017
1
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Just like Brown sold off our gold
!##!
jillwilis
14th Mar 2017
4
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I think if the SNP want another referendum (and another and another until Mrs S gets the result she wants) the SNP should pay for it! It was supposed to be a 'once in a lifetime' vote and they voted to stay in the UK, Mrs S needs to go back to school to learn about democracy. I personally voted 'remain' but have to go along with Brexit because we live in a democracy.
Lainie2412
14th Mar 2017
2
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One person said it was once in a life time, which was picked up and used by MSM indiscrimately. It was not party policy!
big mamma daisy
14th Mar 2017
5
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It's far too soon since the last referendum. I feel at this time with brexit looming the whole country (UK) needs to pull together to get a good deal.
MosieB
14th Mar 2017
4
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Last referendum the people of Scotland were assured that the only way to remain In Europe was to vote No to Independence. Clearly this was a blatant lie. The people of Scotland wish as a whole to remain in Europe and are being forced out against our will. I voted to leave the UK last time and will again this time. I believe those that realise they were conned into believing we would remain part of Europe will also change to voting Yes. We have been an unequal part of the UK for too long. Though I respect my neighbours we want and need entirely different things and sincerely hope my fellow Scots change our future forever.
Lainie2412
14th Mar 2017
1
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I agree completely!
Dadog
14th Mar 2017
0
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Not sure why you feel that Scotland are an unequal part of the UK, MosieB. I lived and worked in Scotland for 40 years and came back to England recently. I never felt my Scottish life was inferior to that down here...quite the contrary. Every aspect, health, schooling, travel and cost of living were better up there. Might be better to hang on to something good you already have....check it out at least.
saladmuncher
14th Mar 2017
1
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As I said to a previous comment Scotland DID remain in the EU after the referendum vote. If Scotland had voted for Independence they would have been out of the EU the day after the result. However, after that vote on Scottish Independence, another referendum took place, UK-wide, to decide if we ALL wanted to stay in the EU. We all voted by a majority 'No' in that subsequent referendum. Therefore I don't see why you feel justified in using that point as an argument.
poppylady
14th Mar 2017
1
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May God have mercy on us if we are governed by people like you.
Get off your butt and fight for what is fair and just ,don't just bleat about it and expect others to fight for you.
saladmuncher
14th Mar 2017
1
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Scotland DID remain in the EU after the referendum vote. If Scotland had voted for Independence you would have been out of the EU the day after the result. However, after that vote on Scottish Independence, another referendum took place, UK wide, to decide if we ALL wanted to stay in the EU. We all voted by a majority 'No' in that subsequent referendum. Therefore I don't see why you feel justified in using that point as an argument.
JC57
14th Mar 2017
7
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If this is allowed then every time something comes up that a politician disagrees with they will want one, it devalues what it is for!
Wilf
17th Mar 2017
-1
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PaulaH
14th Mar 2017
8
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In the first referendum, we were told it was a once in a lifetime chance to decide this issue. Scotland voted, and decided against independence.
That should be an end of it. I don't want to go through all the name calling and the Ill-feeling, and the lies from politicians on both sides, and the sheer waste of money. No one can adequately explain how Scotland can manage financially as an independent country and it certainly would not meet the criteria for joining the EU like it says it wants to.
I would be much happier if Nicola Sturgeon and co got on with the main job that they were elected to do- namely looking after Scotland in the areas where the Scottish Parliament already has considerable autonomy.
Instead she is obsessed with her idea of independence regardless of what everyone else wants.
Northern Silver
14th Mar 2017
3
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About 90% of your post has been copied directly from the post I put up an hour ago. You have just added one sentence.
It's good that you like my views enough to repeat them, BUT it would be much nicer, and more in keeping with good online manners if you acknowledged where you had copied your post from.
Does this forum have a "quote post" facility?
wkmarine
14th Mar 2017
3
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NO,
Scotland should not get another referendum.
The SNP have shown what a mess they will make of Independence.
They cannot handle the devolved powers they have been given so far. as an ex-SNP supporter,
I believe all power should be removed from Holyrood as they have failed in their duty to serve the Scottish residents and embarrassed us all with the continual trash that comes out of their mouths.
JamesS28
14th Mar 2017
4
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I think a second Referendum should be held because every promise and vow made during the last one have been broken or totally ignored
Lainie2412
14th Mar 2017
0
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Couldn't agree more
Pam1960
14th Mar 2017
6
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After the Brexit referendum we are a kingdom divided. The thing with referendums is you can only go with what you are told at the time. As an example £350 million to NHS instead of EU,it is not going to happen, no freedom of travel and right to work for EU natives coming to Britain again it is highly unlikely we will deport the EU Nationals. When Scotland voted in the Independence referendum many voted to stay oars of the Union as we would be stronger together within Europe. That situation has now changed. The majority voted was in England. If England wants to leave fine but let other countries tries make their own decisions.
razzy
14th Mar 2017
-1
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As stated above if Scotland had got Independence in 2014 you would not have been part of the EU the day you gained Independence. You would have had no Euro and no pound sterling ............
PamelaD
14th Mar 2017
4
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Sturgeon and the SNP are blinkered and egotistical. They are NOT thinking about Scotland and their people but what will get them their notoriety.
Where are the plans and policies to prove Scotland can stand alone. They complain that Westminster rules them but want Brussels to take over .
We have voted and that vote should stand.
It's playground mentality that if you don't like the answer keep trying until you get the one you want. That is not democracy.
I love my country, Great Britain, the UNITED Kingdom. The clue is in the name. Let's keep it that way and move on to a better future, ruling ourselves TOGETHER.
poppylady
14th Mar 2017
1
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Old hippy
14th Mar 2017
4
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She was told by Europe that Scotland is part of the Britain and Britain will leave as it came also the Scots were told they couldn't have another referendum for 10 yrs,
We voted 9 months ago to leave let's just get on with it
All these people trying to stop it happening is ridiculous, the British people voted to leave as a whole,whether you like it or not
Does it mean we can protest after a general election if we don't like the out come of the vote
Grow up
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It would be the end of the United Kingdom
Marydoll9
14th Mar 2017
5
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Definitely no. Please no independence referendum again. More unnecessary expense. Scotland can't go it alone economically. More importantly, Nicola Sturgeon needs to understand what democracy means!
Zurigo1
14th Mar 2017
3
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They decided 21/2 years ago to remain as part of the UK. That should be it for at least 10 years.
Kestrel1935
14th Mar 2017
2
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Don't know why she is so persistent! The country voted no the last time and that was to be the final referendum! How long is this going on there is enough in the news about Brexit now we have to listen to the Referendum news! Makes you want to emigrate to escape!!!
saladmuncher
14th Mar 2017
3
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The point is when we were all, England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, aka as The United Kingdom, given a vote to stay or leave the EU it was on the understanding that it was a vote concerning the whole of the UK, not any individual country or area. The majority of the UK citizens voted to leave. It really is as simple as that. If we start allowing Scotland to 'stay in the EU by a 2nd referendum' then we are pandering to one area of the UK and ignoring other areas. Yes there was a majority to stay in the EU in Scotland but there was also a large number who want to leave: Remain: 1,661,191 Leave: 1,018,322
Nicola Sturgeon is simply trying to get her own way regardless of the consequences Independence. I hope for the sake of Scotland that the voice of reason will prevail as I fear Scotland will suffer. Read this article it will make your eyes water: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/13/ifs-independent-scotland-would-have-cut-spending-increase-taxes/
Gillruss
14th Mar 2017
4
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They were asked once and they said No. Can't keep doing it until she gets the result she wants
Northern Silver
14th Mar 2017
7
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In the first referendum, we were told it was a once in a lifetime chance to decide this issue. Scotland voted, and decided against independence.
That should be an end of it. I don't want to go through all the name calling and the Ill-feeling, and the lies from politicians on BOTH sides, and the sheer waste of money.
I would be much happier if Nicola Sturgeon and co got on with the main job that they WERE elected to do- namely looking after Scotland in the areas where the Scottish Parliament already has considerable autonomy.
Instead she is obsessed with her idea of independence, and her evil scheme of state snoopers known as the "named person" scheme - the most terrifying plan for state interference in family lives since the Stasi in East Germany!
Alicat116
14th Mar 2017
-1
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Westminster is leaving the Scottish Parliament and Government in the dark and treating us like second class citizens. Maybe if there was some sign of respect for the Scottish people and their opinions.a second referendum would not have been necessary. We are left with little choice and Nicola is only doing what she has to pm behalf of the people of Scotland who voted for her and also to remain in the EU. Mutual respect would have saved this from happening .
Dadog
14th Mar 2017
0
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Steady on...it was only the SNP who voted for her. What about the rest of the country...or are you going to start quoting democracy ....ypu know...that term NS doesn't believe in.
Wilf
14th Mar 2017
0
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I love Scotland and some of my family live in Inverness and from what I can see the last time 55% of people voted to stay in the UK. We are one nation and have been together for 350 years. Why break something thats not broken. I also voted to stay in the EU but we need to respect the democratic decisions which is why the UK is such a great country!
Dadog
14th Mar 2017
1
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Northern Silver
14th Mar 2017
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Left in the dark about what?
There has been respect for Scottish opinions - less than 3 years ago Scotland was given the independence referendum.
PatK2
14th Mar 2017
8
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If this is what the people of Scotland want and it's not just what the first minister wants and they should pay for it themselves.
fandebbydozy
14th Mar 2017
7
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It was a nightmare living through the first referendum. It was so divisive. There were lots of instances of intolerance towards those who tried to defend the 'remain' position. At a local level remain ads were destroyed, and people were insulted and threatened verbally and on social media for supporting 'remain.' Frankly if that's the Scotland Nicola Sturgeon wants I don't want to be part of it. The prospect of going through that again is appalling.
scandiman
14th Mar 2017
6
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If the Scots and others want independence, give it to them. Our government in Westminster has made a hash of things for years, let's see what the devolved powers will do, given the chance. It must be remembered that Sturgeon does not represent the majority of Scots, she's just the one shouting loudest. What does bother me is that May has been caught out by Sturgeon's latest manoeuvre. If she can be wrong-footed this easily, it bodes ill for her negotiations over Brexit. It also makes me wonder about the quality of those who advise her. They ought to have seen this coming. As for the Union working well for everyone for hundreds of years, it hasn't. That's why we're where we are now. Some consider that they have been ignored by Westminster and that matters are too London orientated. I say this as someone born and living his whole life in the southeast.
CaroleAH
15th Mar 2017
1
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Hi Scandiman,
Just a comment on the last sentence of your post - you are so right about the London-centred opinions in Westminster and possibly the South in general. I voted for Brexit and was told by my Surrey-based brother-in-law that I was an "ignorant Northerner"! That's as may be but I still have the right to an opinion 🙂
shielward
14th Mar 2017
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I feel the rest of the uk have fallen over backwards to respect and give powers to Scotland. More powers and far more money per scottish resident than English residents
If the Scottish people really want another referendum then let them have it but if they vote to stay there should be fairness for the rest of the uk and all British citizens should be treated equally. Rather than Scotland having superior treatment at least financially as well as some of the most high profile jobs in London. There is always two ways of looking at an issue and I as well as a lot of my colleagues and friends are losing patience. Theresa May needs our support and understanding she does not deserve this.
GordonM7
14th Mar 2017
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That extra money comes from oil ScotGov spends it on free prescriptions,think you should ask Westminster exactly what they do with their share which is around 90%
scandiman
14th Mar 2017
3
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Heard the news this morning that Theresa May will leave it until end of March to invoke Article 50. After all the endless talk, I wish she would get on with it.
Lionel
17th Mar 2017
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So do I Scandiman, but we out here don't know what is going on behind the scenes. I suspect much indeed.
We have at least seen how EU top brass have huffed, puffed and blown themselves into a dark corner. We also see this is going to be a play ground style negotiation - you don't want what we want so sucks boo to you dear!

No, it doesn't enthuse me either!
BillBow86
14th Mar 2017
1
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Scotland is still a member of the EU so should not be forced by a severe right-wing UK government to 'change its mind' and leave yet another trade organisation.
Col1957
14th Mar 2017
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As a proud Scotsman who DOES NOT hate the English NO but sadly this is going to bring out divisions in our country like the EU vote has did south of the border and as you can see by many of the comments so far a chance from the petulant children to say what THEY want not what's best for the UK as a whole just like all the comments about the upcoming Brexit negotiations. A great excuse for the hard core Nationalists and the Little 'Englanders' to have a go at EVERYONE.
Welcome to the UK 2017
helidel
13th Mar 2017
1
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Let them have one BUT make it a UK total input.
Robbin
14th Mar 2017
1
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Northern Silver
14th Mar 2017
0
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Lionel
13th Mar 2017
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Well now, that could put a whole new complexion on things. That begs the question do we want them in the Union? Well I do for one.
Dadog
15th Mar 2017
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But if they really want independence, they should push for the whole UK to participate. It could swing it for them.
garryhillmick
13th Mar 2017
2
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Get Trump to build his wall around Scotland
Lionel
13th Mar 2017
1
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Garry, he'd just need to repair the wall bult by Hadrian.
Kathx028
13th Mar 2017
4
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Does anyone ask the English if they want Scotland to remain in the United Kingdom?
shielward
14th Mar 2017
2
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Or whether we will be able to afford them after brexit!
lesleyy
14th Mar 2017
3
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Hey don't forget the Welsh and Northern Irish.
Wilf
14th Mar 2017
5
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And the English! maybe we should all have a referendum!
scandiman
13th Mar 2017
5
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How many times does there have to be a Scottish referendum? The answer was 'no', get over it. This is the result of devolution; Wales has an assembly, a Scottish parliament and a Northern Ireland assembly. Each wants something different, as if we haven't got enough people sticking their oar in. Give Scotland independence- complete, total freedom. Their own military, money, borders etc. No money from us-total independence. While we're at it, I want a Parliament for England, the bit that isn't Wales, Ulster or Scotland.
Lionel
13th Mar 2017
7
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Well, for once Sacdiman I must disagree. The Union has worked well for everyone concerned for three hundred years. I see no reason at all why it should change because the union benefits all concerned.

That the Poison Pixie, as one jouro called her recently, is on a vanity trip, is not sufficient reason to break up this successful union.

Tonight I don't want a parliament for the English only, but the time may come when I'll change my mind. Parliament is a confusing muddle of careerists and self seekers, but, in a fashion, it works. And beause it works, let's leave it alone, well, for the time being anyway.
Jenfa
14th Mar 2017
6
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Being English and living in Scotland (which I love) I feel that the Poison Pixie has only one target. I want to know who is going to bear the cost of a 2nd referendum. Where will Scotland get income once the money from being in the UK disappears if it is a YES vote? Getting back into Europe will not be straightforward as we have been told Scotland will have to join the queue to apply for membership. Also to be part of Europe Scotland would have to accept the Euro. Who on earth would want that? Then, what about all the Scots who live and work in England? Will they have to have work permits as immigrants, or adopt English nationality, or
be returned to Scotland? I read somewhere that Scots are the largest immigrant group in England. So many questions that have not been even brought up.
Roof Top Crow
13th Mar 2017
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Our PM will do nothing. And there is nothing the SNP can do but just wait for permission from the UK Government.

Things will fundamentally change for the whole of the UK, and that includes Scotland, once Article 50 is issued (as I write I can see that the MP’s have overturned The Lords amendment) and that might well be this week. The negotiations with the EU will start within a few weeks.

It is possible that once the negotiations have started and the UK realises the damage that will be done to our economy by leaving the EU, the UK will come to its senses and withdraw Article 50.

I was going to say that we will be in membership of the EU for the next 24 months, but there is another option. We could refuse to negotiate and just end our membership early. Pay the bill and leave.

From then on we would be under WTO rules and that would be a cataclysmic disaster for the whole of the UK.
Lionel
13th Mar 2017
8
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Ah, RoofTop, you've emerged, but from where? You and your kind were defeated in June; indeed, you had no worthwhile answers to my many weeks of opposition to you. Just a rather high handed put down of things wholesome and meaningful. Things of true value in this life, things apart from money.

You once again speak fluently about the damage to our economy but I ask, what damage? You would prefer the UK remained in a protectionist racket which stultifies innovation, over regulates our lives and forbids trading with the outside world. Of course you do, such are your interests in Europe. You personal interests, yes, but not ours!

My step grand daughter is sixteen tomorrow, a tall, intelligent blonde with a lovely quiet personality. I voted Out for her so that she wouldn't need to live under this EU (read Fourth Reich) oppression. Fight it if you must, but Germany is in control, at the third attempt. Ask the Greeks. Yet you, and who are you, would continue her enslavement to Brussels. Not a chance if I have anything more to do with it.

I wrote you before the referendum there would be some pain involved in Brexit, and there will be. I wrote that we Brits have accepted much more pain in the past and yet have been the victors. It's going to be a watershed. The Brits and the rest. As far as I'm concerned, if the rest have no meaningful contribution to the good of this nation, well, the channel isn't so far away.

Why are you so frightened of a little personal discomfort? That begs the question, are you a Brit at all?

The love of money is the root of all evil. Oh, how true that is.
Sylviamacs
13th Mar 2017
4
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no I do not believe Scotland should have another vote there part of this Island and as such abide by the decision the majority of people have made and that's to LEAVE!
Pam1960
13th Mar 2017
3
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I don't mind whether they vote for independence or not. With the Brexit referendum the majority voted remain. Their circumstances have changed so they should be allowed another referendum. Even though I voted remain I don't think Brexit should be over ruled in England as the majority voted to leave but for the countries in the union where the majority was to remain then as far as I am concerned they have a democratic right to vote again.
Lionel
13th Mar 2017
3
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Perhaps the Poison Pixie, as one journo called her, needs to be careful here. Referenda don't come cheap and always raise more questions than they answer. Just look at the shambles which is Westminster now.

The Scots, in 2015, voted by a majority to remain a part of the united kingdom. That is the expressed will of the Scottish people. To now employ an EU technique of, wrong answer, we'll do it again, and again, until you give the answer we want, is more likely to secure a Conservative Scottish government than an SNP led parliament.

Scotland is, by all accounts, bankrupt. It exists by reason of hand outs from Westminster - per capita far more than the English people get. The EU has been quite clear to Sturgeon, they want no more lame ducks, and besides it is a failing institution. Bang goes her life raft, being bailed out by Brussels. There's a world wide glut of oil and prices are depressed, besides which, investment in off shore oil fields of Scotland is a United Kingdom venture and not Scottish.

I wonder this evening if the Scots people are truly prepared for the hardship and depression-like life style of separation from the United Kingdom. No, of course they're not! Leaving the UK will quickly result in a massive Westminster bailout which you and I will pay from taxes.

All of which is nominal since a referendum in Scotland must be approved and authorised by the sitting parliament in Westminster, If it goes ahead without that then it is a waste of time and money since, legally, no action may be taken. Scotland will remain a part of the UK.

Sturgeon seems to me to be a little like Kim Jon one and a half wit. All huff and puff without the foresight to see the consequences of their actions.
Wilf
13th Mar 2017
4
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As usual Lionel I agree with you. Why would Sturgeon want this? She and her party have tunnel vision. The EU would not want them as they would have to pay for Scotland as it is not cash positive. The next thing is parts of Spain will want independence, France with Corsica has been mooted. It just wouldn't happen. The only economic powerhouse in Europe is the Germans. France is a basket case with a 35 hour working week and politics in a mess...the dutch are looking to exit and the PIGS as they are known in the south are a complete mess. Better with the Scots to stick in the UK. They are part of us all. My uncle is Scottish and he wants to stay in and all his friends.
Lionel
13th Mar 2017
2
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Sturgeon is in the mold of deValera in Ireland in the 1920's. They're both blind to anything except national independence. I lived in the Republic of Ireland in the eighties. I lived in deValera's legacy. Pitifully poor, down-trodden and without hope. If I said dirt poor it would be an overstatement.

That's Scotland if Sturgeon get's her way. They are, and always will be, dependants, as will Wales and Ulster. It's the English eonomomy that supports these weak peoples.

If they all departed we English would be so much better off, but I for one don't want that. We're a Union, three hendred years old. It works well for us all so why change it?
djl277
15th Mar 2017
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Oh dear, where do you get your information? Do you have any idea how the fiscal arrangements for Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland work?
djl277
16th Mar 2017
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"From fact and life experience in this instance"

So it's your opinion then Lionel That's fine
Lionel
15th Mar 2017
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From fact and life experience in this instance, and that is what will happen to Scptland if Sturgeon/Salmond get their way. You heard it first here.
lesleyy
14th Mar 2017
2
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While I agree with most of what you have said, Lionel, I do object to being called 'weak'! I am Welsh, and will always support the Union, as far as I am concerned the Welsh Assembly is a total waste of space and time!
Lionel
14th Mar 2017
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Lesley, my sincere apologies. meant only weaker in economic terms, able to provide and care for the needs of that nation's population unaided.

I intended no offence, but could have expressed myself a lot better.
Wilf
14th Mar 2017
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Exactly Lionel if it works why break it?
lesleyy
14th Mar 2017
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Lionel, apologies accepted, I understand what you are saying, and yes we are weaker in economic terms, better united I say, and now our own poison dwarf, Leanne Wood wants to jump on the bandwagon if Scotland does have another referendum and votes to leave!
Alexander McEwan
13th Mar 2017
6
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As a scot, I am also sick about all the hot air of a second referendum. Scotland voted to stay in the EU, which I think was a mistake but we are British, so majority rules.OUT!
I'm sure that the politicians want to stay in, for it is another gravy train for them to enrich themselves after they have been thrown out of Britain.
Lionel
13th Mar 2017
4
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Alexander, it's good to have the input of a Scot. I have a very healthy respect for Scots people - I must, my wife is from Scots stock. But even she gets angry at Sturgeon's attempts to ruin your country, which is a distinct country within the Union.

From here in East Anglia, the slogan, Better Off Together is more than a slogan, it's a truth. We are better off together, don't you think? I'm an East Anglian who believes strongly in the Union. We four nations share the good times and the bad, we bail out each other, trade without barriers, pass from one country to another unhindered ... why change that?

I'm not seeing the point of Sturgeon's desperate plan for separation.. Do you know what she's doing?
Baxi
13th Mar 2017
5
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It would be a total wast of time, public money and emotion. The EU would never sanction Scotland having EU membership because it would open the floodgates for other countries like Spain/Catalan. They would always be vetoed.

Nicola Sturgeon knows this perfectly well and she needs to move on!
Kazzaj
13th Mar 2017
2
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if the scots vote for seperation they still wont be in the eu they would have to join as a seperate country. surely they know this and how would they afford it. i think sturgen likes throwing her toys out of the pram!
Jo Kingham
13th Mar 2017
4
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Yes - just go and have one and be done with it! fed up with listening to the moaning!
shielward
14th Mar 2017
1
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Pete H
13th Mar 2017
2
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At the last referendum the SNP said the vote was once in a generation - they didn't get what they wanted and their popularity is on the wane so here we go again!! Last time around they had a poor financial case and since the oil price has plummeted it's even worse! Plus there is no guarantee that they would be accepted into the EU as an independent nation. If they want another referendum that's fine but it seems like a waste of time and money as the results is unlikely to be any different.
shielward
14th Mar 2017
1
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And the cost of the new referendum should be taken from the Scottish budget.
JohnHerb
13th Mar 2017
2
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Hold on the Scots had a vote and they said they wanted to stay in. Best thing ever for 2 reasons. One I love Scotland-just adore the west coast. Two if they had of voted out their economy would have been ruined as oil prices have plummeted. What is it with Nicola Sturgeon? Should they keep voting until she is happy when they vote out. Its a bit like Brexit. My view is we should stay in but 52% of my countrymen voted out so out it is. We are about the worlds oldest democracy...lets keep it going. When people have voted that is what is called a decision.
Wilf
13th Mar 2017
3
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Yes they should have another referendum if thats what their elected Parliament and then the people want. If they vote yes we are all in trouble if they vote no they should not have another one
Lionel
13th Mar 2017
0
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Wilf, I haven't read a suggestion the Scots Parliament wants another referendum, neither have I read the Scottish people want it. No, it's Syurgeon, seeking to massage her own ego.

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