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Is a second national lockdown for vulnerable over 50s the right way forward?

The Prime Minister is said to be considering asking vulnerable members of the population to shield once again.

Boris Johnson has ordered officials to work-up a plan for avoiding a second national lockdown, according to reports.

The Prime Minister is considering asking the elderly to shield once again and is mulling lockdown-like conditions for London should there be a second wave of coronavirus infections, The Sunday Telegraph and The Sunday Times said.

The claims come after Mr Johnson was forced to announce a slow down of the lockdown easing on Friday, with planned relaxations for the leisure and beauty sectors delayed after a rise in Covid-19 cases was recorded, with prevalence in the community thought to be rising for the first time since May.

The Times reported the Conservative Party leader held a “war game” session with Chancellor Rishi Sunak on Wednesday to run through possible options for averting another nationwide lockdown that could stall any potential economic recovery.

Under the proposals, a greater number of people would be asked to take part in the shielding programme, based on their age or particular risk factors that have been identified since March, said the Telegraph.

It could even see those aged between 50 and 70 given “personalised risk ratings”, said the Times, in a move that would add to the 2.2 million who were deemed most vulnerable and asked to shield themselves from society during the spring peak.

The advice was only lifted on Saturday for those in England, Scotland and Northern Ireland, and remains in place until August 16 for those shielding in Wales.

Other ideas mooted should the R-rate escalate in the capital include restricting travel beyond the M25 and putting a stop to staying at other people’s houses – similar to policies implemented in local lockdowns imposed in Leicester and parts of the north-west of England in recent days.

What are your views?   If you are deemed vulnerable how do you feel about going into lockdown again in the near future? Does this muted proposal make sense or do you have other suggestions to avoid a second wave of the virus?

Is a second national lockdown for vulnerable over 50s the right way forward?

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PeterM13
3 hours ago
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I'm 68, live on the isle of dogs E London, and quite frankly, i don't know what to make of all this mess. the government is full of contradictions and seem incapable of being honest and just state actual facts....right now im more concerned about this just being scare mongering, and if it is, why?
Yodama
4 hours ago
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Don't know what to believe anymore, I think knee-jerk reactions from a government in disarray is causing more harm than good.
Sensible precautions should be taken by everyone as we can all be carriers or victims no matter what age.
Targeting certain age groups who are considered vulnerable due to their age is not quite the same as having vulnerabilities due to health issues

A blanket( new) enforced lockdown is a step too far. All ages who have health issues should of course be shielded and may have to endure another lockdown (if the blasted plague rears its ugly head again.)
But the over 60's population who are by and large healthy should not be forced to stay in a prison.

Government has just issued a statement to say that they are reducing the death rate due to covid by 5,377..
That means, if you have been tested and have had positive covid result (albeit mildly) in the past, being killed by a bus would have previously be put down as a covid death

UK COVID-19 death toll drops by more than 5,000 following 'urgent review' of PHE figures
•13 Aug 2020 - https://youtu.be/D2Nw8Y90-K8
SILVER78
3 days ago
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Noooooo! Let's put the young teenagers and all those who think it's ok to crowd onto packed beaches or stand in long queues without masks or any pretence at maintaining social distancing into lockdown and see how they cope - or, let's get them back to work! Anything to stop them crowding and possibly then passing Covid 19 onto older folk who are trying to keep to rules and stay apart and help the NHS.
Ibby2628
5 days ago
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People have to keep to rules of lockdown and recovery, if idiots would do as they have been asked to do, we would be in the rise to a full recovery!
Duvat
6 days ago
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The world health organisation issued a directive saying that while the pandemic gripped the world, all or any deaths did not require a post mortem! Is there any figures for 2020 of deaths from natural causes,flu,pneumonia etc or maybe a proportion of these deaths were not covid-19 as described by doctors-I quote for example of one young girl who died in New Zealand and the medical certificate said that cause of death was due to covid-later a autopsy was conducted and death was established as kidney failure with absolutely no indication of covid.
jeanmark
4 days ago
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Duvet, my response related to your assertion that doctors were basically lying on death certificates about cause of death. I was stating what is actually written on death certificates. In relation to Covid-19 and deaths the World Health Organisation COVID-19 Case and Death definitions recognise that countries have varying approaches to COVID-19 case definitions. They therefore recommend using the surveillance case definitions which are available in the WHO interim guidance on Global surveillance for COVID-19.

"A COVID-19 death is defined for surveillance purposes as a death resulting from a clinically compatible illness in a probable or confirmed COVID-19 case, unless there is a clear alternative cause of death that cannot be related to COVID-19 disease (e.g. trauma). There should be no period of complete recovery between the illness and death".

Post Mortems continue to be carried out for deaths were cause can not be identified, unexpected death, trauma, siucide etc. as per Coroners instruction.

As kidney failure can be the result of Covid-19, particularly if a young person had no previous symptoms of kidney disease, it should not come as a surprise that a doctor could easily make a Covid-19 diagnosis in an otherwise healthy young girl, without assuming he/she lied!
viking
3 days ago
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I do agree with most of what you have said, and in spite of adverse comments to you in this thread, we have now encountered 3 such cases which have followed a similar pattern.
A suggestion for any one who has had the unfortunate experience of the death of a relative in a non Covid enviroment [ yes these do exist ], to check the death certificate. If the doctors will not co-operate, then approach the Registrar and complain of any falsification.
SILVER78
3 days ago
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How come a certificate with a diagnosis was issued before an autopsy was carried out?
jeanmark
3 days ago
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In the UK there are many cases where the cause of death will be known and the certificate can be issued by the doctor and a post mortem wouldn't be necessary. However, a hospital doctor can request one if unclear about an illness or cause of death and a post-mortem will always be carried out if it's been requested by a coroner when the cause of death is unknown, or following a sudden, violent or unexpected death.
jeanmark
3 days ago
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Well Viking, I've had 5 friends die in the last three months and only one didn't require a post mortem but the certificate did state Covid-19 as the second cause, as the first cause had been exacerbated by the virus and thus death occurred earlier than would have been expected. The other 4 died of heart attacks or strokes. Doctors are required to certify causes of death “to the best of their knowledge and belief”. It has to be remembered that deaths are required by law to be registered within 5 days of their occurrence unless there is to be a coroner’s post mortem or an inquest. How many times have you known doctors to DELIBERATELY LIE on a medical certificate for cause of death, excluding doctors like Shipman of course?
viking
2 days ago
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Forget the" exacebated " this is mearly semantics.
Falsifying the certificate is not deliberatly lying, it is mearly taking the easy and quick way to sign off the death and bolster the figures for the stats by changing the actual cause which was NOT covid, maybe this is just another case of semantics.
So JM you have unfortunately capped my three cases by your five, well lets just hope that our scores do not increase.
jeanmark
2 days ago
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Sorry Viking but 'exacerbation' of an illness is not semantics but an actual diagnosis for chronic conditions and would be legitimate to write on a medical certificate for contributing to cause of death. Thus writing such is not 'taking the easy and quick way', these are legal documents and the completion is taken seriously by those signing.

I agree that I hope neither of us experience further deaths of friends in the near future and be prevented from attending their funeral.
viking
1 days ago
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The last figure which has been quoted by the popular press for 2019 Flu deaths in the UK was 60,000 [ E&OE corrections by JM ] so lets hope that Covid figures don't touch that figure.
SueC62
6 days ago
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If mask wearing was mandatory in all outside places, and was enforced alongside social distancing and hand sanitising, then life could be as normal. Those particularly at risk could then make their own decisions.

Since returning to the UK, I've found the 'rules' many fold, ridiculous and confusing. The government should KISS - mask wearing mandatory and enforced, social distancing, hand sanitising - everywhere open.

Turkey (yes I know I keep on about it) did this and cases were low. Then they started getting lax, tourists arriving and not following the rules and the police not bothering to enforce. Now daily cases have risen over £1k (the magic number) and it is now being enforced again with many province governors losing their jobs for not having enforced.
EileenD7
7th Aug 2020
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I know older people and the more venerable need to be protected, but, If only we could all stick to the rules, we would not need the most vulnerable to lock down. They are people out there getting drunk and shouting in the streets, going to raves and parties with out social distancing, collecting outside football stadiums. These are the people that need to be locked down. IF ONLY THAT WAS POSSIBLE. (sorry rant over)
SILVER78
3 days ago
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Absolutely agree with you!
Mari50
7th Aug 2020
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It is not the over50s who are causing a second spike it is those who are younger and those who do not care. In the South west we have visitors who do not care about the 2 metre distancing. They also believe that because the southwest is not a hot spot for the virus they can do what they want. It seems that the older generation are the only ones being sensible. Why should they be locked away for something they did not contribute to?
JulieMayger
7th Aug 2020
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Really tired of all this ageist 'made up on the spot' claptrap and people being made to feel likes clones in an eggbox. Everyone is unique and there is no age limit to health and wellbeing, nor to how long you work for - and maybe, like me, needing to work. If BJ wants people to stay indoors because they are over 50, he'd better get himself inside pronto. The government put up the State Pension age to 66+ because people are fitter, healthier and living longer, then come up with an absurd plan like this. Talk about mixed messages; they are complicit in their own downfall.
Lionel
7th Aug 2020
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Yes, Julie, they are complicit in their own downfall. I've said below, if they isolate the 50+ age group again we'll have a new government by year end.

Just who we'll choose from the rabble on offer I can't imagine.
ValC41
7th Aug 2020
1
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I have already been in isolation being vulnerable for almost 5 months.It would be devastating to have to do it all again.
JohnB81
7th Aug 2020
2
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Self imposed lockdown would be my choice.
I think I’m old enough to make my own decisions.

Keep Safe
JacquelineT5
7th Aug 2020
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Why can't we restrict movement to 10 miles from home. Nightly curfew on the under 50s some of whom do not understand the concept of social distancing ( this comment comes from the idiots we see going past our flat at night ) we need to keep the businesses who have reopened open so the economy can get a kick start, the only way is to respect each other, keep to our preplanned groups and save the bbqs, parties ( house or otherwise) till hopefully next year when we will have the means to protect by injection like we do now for the seasonal flu
MrsK1950
6th Aug 2020
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I feel that the people being asked to shield are those who, on the whole, are doing the correct thing.
18 - 35 eem to think they don't need to follow rules and are immune.
Pubs and restaurants, although needing to rebuild their businesses, are part of the problem as has been seen in recent press where 1 person causes the follow up of many people but the efficiency of that system has to be questioned!
Stop flights abroad as there will be a percentage of those returning who will not quarantine.
The sooner everyone follows the guidelines the quicker we can get back to a sense of reality.
Duvat
6th Aug 2020
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I think the medical profession have been disguising a good number of deaths and in their stead attributing them to covid-19. To my mind this has now brought the credibility of doctors into question, where previously most people thought that their honesty was unparalleled.
jeanmark
6 days ago
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Duvet, what ever makes you thing that? A Death Certificate states the main cause of death and then other contributing factors which may include Covid-19. A Post Mortem would be carried out routinely if a cause can not be established or if the dearth was sudden and unexpected.
Lionel
5th Aug 2020
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Behind every good lockdown lies a tale or two. How about this one ...

According to the lastest ONS stats, Covid19 lockdown has cost the UK a 24.5% hole in GDP. That’s about £550 billion. The DWP itself estimated in June this year that the cost of keeping the State’s original promise of pensions for 50's born women would be £215 billion…..which is over a period of twenty years – not four months. So this government has spent 122 times more money per day funding lockdown than it would have done rescuing 3.5 million women a prior government betrayed and consigned to poverty.

Or this ... This £550 billion is approaching our total debt for WW2. By the time accounting is completed for COVID expenditure it could well exceed that figure. Our war debt took 50 years to pay off. Our children, grandchildren and our great-grandchildren will be saddled with repayments. We're looking to the return to living conditions of the early fifties, and many of us remember them.

What has either tale achieved in real terms? Lockdown was breached or shattered so many times that we have a return of the same virus now attacking those areas that dealt badly with the first wave. We have a second wave of the first virus, not a more virulent and fatal strain as expected. That may yet come. I expect it.

There are tales ... but not for now.

We have long term unemployment slated at around 8 million. People not paying taxes or National Insurance, not generating wealth but drawing heavily on the benefits system. More national debt. The Allies beat the multi-headed serpent that was the Nazis. What have we beaten by our personal sacrifices? What has been achieved in factual terms when so many took State money and breached lockdown so readily and so often?

Not a lot.

Lock up the over the fifties again? It's the governemnt's easy option. Do that and there will be a different government in Westminster by Christmas.
Valleyman
5th Aug 2020
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Over 50's? Crazy talk. We run the country and the economy, and are in my humble opinion more responsible than the youngsters, who believe they are invulnerable. So many over 100's these days, 50 is only half way there!
JohnB81
7th Aug 2020
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I’ll second that.
Keep Safe
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The majority of people in their 50s are working, the economy is already suffering, to shut down this group would slow the economy even more. The same applies to people the their 60s. A lot of voluntary work is done by the fit and active over 70s.
sparrer
4th Aug 2020
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Under 30's have proved they can't behave or follow guidelines while we have done all we can to keep ourselves safe. Time to turn the tables so we can do our shopping while they have to stay home and mull over how selfish so many of them have been.
jeffsoo
4th Aug 2020
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I should be all people under 25 locked down, it seems to me it is they who are causing the problem.
LillianN
4th Aug 2020
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Funny how numbers have jumped since facemasks where made compulsory thought they where supposed to protect think they are spreading it more
rc47
4th Aug 2020
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I can understand many people breaking the rules as the rules are forever shifting. The above article starts "The Prime Minister is said to be considering ..." But this "considering" and "following the science" is so confusing. We don't want to know what's being considered or whose advice they are following: we needed clear rules from the beginning. We needed everything sooner - PPE, testing, lockdown. We were late introducing everything and thus are so much behind other countries in Europe and have so many more deaths. Blaming the public for not following confusing rules is illogical when the rules are not consistent: is social distancing two metres or "one metre plus"? Who should shield for how long and what exactly does shielding mean anyway? What do you do in a narrow supermarket aisle when someone is standing in front of you - walk past within two metres, wait until they move? Can we meet our families indoors or outdoors? Why are pubs opening but not theatres? How does a discount voucher for McDonalds help fight the virus?
I will not blame people for not following confusing rules that keep shifting and often do not make sense.
Scamp301
3rd Aug 2020
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I think lockdown only works when everyone abides by the rules but unfortunately we have a lot of the younger population who think it doesn’t mean them, it would be good to test everyone to see who actually had the virus and passed it on to the elderly and killing them, I hope they can live with their ignorance
unclehefty
3rd Aug 2020
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Lockdowns are, per se, not a good idea but when a large portion of the population seems to ignore good advice to protect themselves and others ...

Aged (almost) 72 I have taken the middle road, not been out 'socially' since Mr Johnson announced in March.
Granny Smith 63
3rd Aug 2020
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I think that finding a way of encouraging people to abide by restrictions currently in place would be a far better option to begin with, rather keep changing strategy. Give the police the powers they need to issue on the spot fines for rule breakers and make the fines substantial enough to make people question whether taking the risk is worth it. I know my friends and relatives over the age of 50, some of whom do have underlying health concerns, are worried sick about catching this awful illness and are already doing their best abide by the rules and to stay well. Why should we punished because others are not doing the same? If that fails then do the local lock downs for everyone and that way those who are not taking care will also lose their liberty with us. Being part of society come with responsibilities for us all.
GraemeDunn
3rd Aug 2020
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Sadly, I would agree with what most people have already highlighted it is almost as though Common Sense has gone out the window and people seem to think that it has gone away. Also there have been many reports of youngsters saying that “what does it matter if a few old people die, its not our problem” Mass gatherings have taken place various illegal raves like the one outside Bath where it was estimated that over 1200 took part, The mass gatherings by supporters of football clubs.

It would be interesting to see if these caused the spikes we are now seeing!

The government did get it wrong believing the channel would keep Covid out. We did not have any checks or controls on incoming passengers or leaflets telling them they have to report systems.

The recent Lockdown in Victoria State Australia has had issues where a young couple from Brisbane area went to Melbourne for a party as Lockdown was happening, managed to get out and travel to NSW and return to Brisbane, got sick, but went to work and out to restaurants. several people they had contact with or sat near them have now proved Positive. The girl works in the care sector so has put lots of others at risk. Lied to authorities where they had been and now people of Brisbane very angry with them. Talk of them having to have police protection! So it seems the UK is not alone at having lost common sense.

In New Zealand the government controlled all incoming passengers and put them up in hotels for 14 days quarantine.
Now my family there tell me that the government has now said that all future costs must be met by incoming travellers. So far Jacinda the Prime minister has done a good job of protecting their citizens.

I wrote to our MP about why there were no checks on incoming passengers and was told “it is assumed that departing Airports would have systems in place to stop people travelling” How wrong can we get it!
JE
3rd Aug 2020
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I can understand why this is being considered but I don’t think it is the way forward. There are numerous people, of ALL ages, who have not been following the rules that have already been put in place and it would seem more in the way of enforcement is needed. We need to get tough and move away from the softly, softly approach which clearly hasn’t worked. There will always be people who will push the boundaries and if not penalised, push that bit further.
Also there seems to be issues around how information is disseminated and there is some confusion about what the rules actually are at the present time. Not everybody reads the news or has access to the internet and in some cases there are language and cultural issues. In this area there has been no information at all from local councils and perhaps there is a role them here.
Moomytree
3rd Aug 2020
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At the risk of making myself unpopular, I will say it would be far better to lockdown the morons who don’t social distance, and never have. To lockdown all the people of any age who don’t believe that Covid exists, and those who are stupid enough to believe that they are invulnerable to a disease that knows no borders.

There are an awful lot of people who are like that, and have no thought for others, or even for themselves truth be told. As usual it’s the minority who make it bad for the majority. How long can people be expected to be locked down, before it begins to seriously affect their physical and mental, and emotional health.

If people won follow the rules for social distancing, wearing masks etc. let them be confined to their homes
KarenC31
3rd Aug 2020
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We need better policing for those who have no common sense and can't follow instruction, Introduce fines etc.,close the borders, get the military in to support lockdown rules. Keep the beaches and green areas clear and safe . . Let's not mess about afraid of who might be upset. We are talking about whether we live or die. It sounds harsh but we have to be realistic or nothing and no-one will be saved. The economy always makes a recovery over time.
Until a vaccination is found we all remain at risk, every one of us, young or old. Or at least if we can prove we have immunity to Covid19 we can go about our normal day but this is some time off yet. The young have a lot to learn and the longer things continue as they are, they will. They will start to lose their loved ones and perceptions will change. Keep schools closed. Children will catch up on schooling and at least still have their lives ahead of them. This is not a virtual video game, this is real. Wake up Boris, be the man in charge, do what needs to be done and stop fussy putting, trying to appease everyone. We need tough love in tough times if we are to survive. We are at war with this, and it's global, there is nowhere to run.
Janeagane
3rd Aug 2020
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It's too easy to say to have a lockdown based on age of 50-70.
Everyone knows that it's the younger people who are the 'spreaders'. They are the ones who bring Covid back into the home particularly where multi generational families live, Those older family members are not going to be protected at all by being in lockdown.
Jenny4563
2nd Aug 2020
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Why not police the rules they have made instead of making more. We have celebs and government breaking the rules to get their eyes tested for example., people crowding into holiday hotspots and large gatherings. Sort this out first.
KathleenD77
2nd Aug 2020
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why do we have to be under house arrest again the little time we have left should not be at home behind looked doors arrest the people not complying fines will not stop them they have no respect for the law then its time for though love grow a pair boris
Lionel
2nd Aug 2020
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That's a mighty fine dog you have.
myralaw1400aolcouk
2nd Aug 2020
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If there is going to be a significant rise in the number of cases, I will take responsibility for myself and put myself in lockdown, I have been classed as extremely vulnerable and have already been housebound for 5 months, if I have to shield again so be it. We are at a disadvantage here, nice weather equals lots of visitors and they aren't very good at following the suggestions about mask wearing and social distancing and a lot of them are coming here from the places that have been put in lockdown but don't seem to be following the rules. A lot of people today have the I'm Alright Jack attitude.x P.S thanks admin for adding me to your group.
notsopodgy
2nd Aug 2020
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My husband and I have both been shielding since early March and we have no problem with staying that way. We have been buying our groceries online, rotating from Tesco - Morrisons - Iceland - Asda with good result and not paying for more than £3.50 for delivery. We've also got a very good couple of friendly neighbours who 'top up' whatever we missed from our weekly online shopping, whenever they go shopping at Morrisons, Co-Op, Aldi, or Lidl. Got plenty to occupy us as we are re-modelling our house, with hubby doing most of the work although I do most of the cleaning up and painting. We are also able to enjoy our homegrown vegetables too, as I am a very keen and enthusiastic amateur gardener. We also spend a fair amount of time using technology to communicate with loved ones overseas, and friends, using video-conferencing and whatsapp to name a few. So, we do not foresee a problem at all should the second lockdown be implemented. Yes, it would be disastrous for the economy but we could always build up businesses again. Without good health you have no chance to do anything, but add to the drag of the economy through sickness claims and use of the NHS!
steve cla
2nd Aug 2020
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About time people took responsibility for themselves, take precations to suit your own circumstances. Stop moaning about what others are doing and concentrate on keeping yourself safe.
GillC84
2nd Aug 2020
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I think a second lockdown will be disastrous for the economy - so many businesses are struggling already and so many have failed to re-open at all. What is needed is a much stricter attitude towards the current regulations. So many are simply ignoring them - unfortunately this tends to be the younger end of the age spectrum. It is impossible for the authorities to do this alone- e.g. the wearing of facemasks in shops. Over the last week, I have witnessed the majority of people abiding by the rules but there are always a few and nobody has taken it upon themselves to remind them. I include myself in this because I am worried about the anticipated verbal abuse. However, if we are to get the virus under control, we all have to be prepared to remind people, even if they cannot handle it. Cyprus has introduced a 300 euro fine literally overnight - perhaps we should do the same - AND be prepared to enforce it. I live alone since my husband died and my mental health is suffering being shut inside all the time. However, I am getting more and more reluctant to go out because of the irresponsible behaviour of others. For once, the country needs to get tough with those who don't/won't follow the rules.
ElaineB35
2nd Aug 2020
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Why are the over 50's the ones that have to go into lockdown and suffer again when they have done all is required of them and followed the rules as they were imposed upon them. When some of the under 30's who have been crowding on to the beaches, meeting large groups on any green land, and in pubs, as well as not wanting not wanting to wear face masks. As they do not want to do as they have been asked. I have to inform some of them that have been interviewed on TV stating that the over 60's have has their lives, I have not had my life and I still contribute, I and my Peers are worthy members of society. Big mistake if you carry on with decision Boris.
Janeagane
3rd Aug 2020
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VivienneI
2nd Aug 2020
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so many of us never came out of lockdown because we have been following medical advice,. We have been forgotten, at least if it is reinstated for others we might finally get the help we have needed since March.
Ykennedy
2nd Aug 2020
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I am shielding and I don’t feel forgotten. I feel protected and supported. What are you not getting that you’re expecting, given that safe access to indoor public areas was always going to be slow for shielders for their own protection? It’s the people flouting social distancing, particularly the young, who are making it slower for us all, not the government.
VivienneI
2nd Aug 2020
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Glad you are protected and supported, my husband is having chemotherapy as his cancer can not be operated on as he would need an I T U bed for a week. I am his carer and am diabetic we are both over 70 and have no relatives to help us. My husband has had an impaired immune system since last September but we were not registered in March despite phoning and registering on line on the day we got our letter and our neighbours are in their 80s so getting food has not been easy. Click and collect involves a 25 mile round trip. We are unable to use our usual supermarket so food costs more and delivery charges are on top of that and we will be like this for the rest of the year. Our saving grace is having a garden but only in good weather!
Red1234
2nd Aug 2020
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I live in Sherborne Dorset
So!!!
Have seen Weymouth ,New Forest
Bournemouth Bath
All had raves punch ups
They not over 50s.
We do not seem to have a choice
VivienneI
2nd Aug 2020
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know what you mean, Bexhill has been inundated with trippers and camper vans, no social distancing, no masks, no patience, barging into others leaving germs and litter in their wake. Have seen this from our car just do not dare get out.
GillH39
2nd Aug 2020
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enforce mask wearing and social distancing - make those who can’t (or won’t ) wear masks lockdown. Keep schools closed.
MerylR
2nd Aug 2020
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close the pubs again, clamp down on stupid use of alcohol, actually enforce the distancing rules, then, and only then, will I believe it to be fair to confine us again.
This was all opened up too quickly, very little enforcement, and now we are going to be asked to pick up the pieces
Ykennedy
2nd Aug 2020
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We are not being forcefully confined. Being in the shielded category, we have a choice whether to give ourselves maximum protection from the virus or not. So many are wrongly stating that shielding is mandatory - it is not. Though I do agree that enforcement by police on those who flout the guidelines, particularly the young, is pathetic. Our police force are not prepared to take the action required. They prefer to make their lives easier by appeasing the flouters. The longer they take no action, the quicker this virus will escalate and make life much more difficult for all of us.
jeanmark
3rd Aug 2020
2
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I agree Ykennedy, but those of us who fell into the category of requiring shielding took it seriously to protect ourselves, not because we were 'ordered' to.

How can you blame a police force that is under resourced for not taking action when they do not even have enough staff for more serious crimes let alone confront a group of youth who are flouting the 'rules'. As you have already pointed out, shielding is not mandatory, well neither is everything else this government chooses to give 'advice'. Many are left wondering what we should be doing, as even this Prime Minister's U turns have had U turns. Also, those in authority who believe they are above the law should be brought to account, but when the leader of the country chooses to protect them, what can the police do?

We all have a responsibility to try and reduce the spread of this virus and not just rely on the authorities to do it for us. Maybe re-close pubs, restaurants, public events etc. go back to having only essential shops open. Take away the very things the young rely on to try and make them understand the seriousness of the situation, rather than letting them believe they are immune because of age. I realise the economy is suffering badly, but you can rebuild an economy, you can not raise the dead!
Nualal
2nd Aug 2020
4
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To protect us I think we have no choice, but I do think its unfair. As it clearly is the younger generation that is fueling the virus, with their inability to follow the rules.
I understand the economy needs to grow and it's the younger generation that are still working, but it's also the same generation spreading the virus.
Another shielding (long period of isolation) will cause widespread mental health issues, amongst the elderly. We should be heavily compensated for giving up our freedom.
Ykennedy
2nd Aug 2020
4
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Any compensation should come from the pockets of the entitled young, who care for nothing and no one but themselves. God forbid that they are asked to adapt their precious social lives to fight a global pandemic.
notsopodgy
2nd Aug 2020
0
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Please do not go down the 'compensation' route. It is your life that is at stake and it is your choice to take precautions, as advised, or do whatever you like. Nobody owes you anything!
SusanneB9
2nd Aug 2020
2
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I’ve been shielding mum ( 84 dementia vascular problems and heart attack two years ago) I’m over 50 myself and had give up work to care . Like lots people in this situation have had to be very careful with hygiene and washing etc Because we were never contacted for help either by gp or letter from the govt I’ve had to go out and shop etc I think anyone over age 70 has been sacrificed so the young and working population can get on and work etc looking at the help financial
And support of young people families and work compared to unpaid Carr’s and care workers in homes and community only confirms this where’s there package of help ? Instead they continue to state she has pay her telly license and keep indoors etc etc well what life is that nope ! Won’t be voting or complying with this . I wonder come November how
Many of us be left or does
From
Loneliness mental health and isolation let alone this virus
notsopodgy
2nd Aug 2020
1
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Please, please.... loneliness and mental health are preventable. There are lots of befrienders out there who would be happy to chat and befriend you, But you yourself have to make the first move, Contact the pastors at local churches, talk to someone at charitable organisations like AGE UK (almost every town has one of those). If you just sit at home and wait for someone to knock on your door to offer help, you'd be sadly dissappointed. Pick up the phone (every one has a phone, whether landline or mobile) and start connecting with someone from churches, and charities. Sorry to sound rude or harsh but we all need to be more positive by taking more actions ourselves, not depending on Government help all the time!
MargaretB24
2nd Aug 2020
4
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isolating over 50s will cause a problem in NHS, especially as a lot of them are over 50 and have loads of experience
viking
2nd Aug 2020
1
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Presumably one has to ask one's self, how much do I value the rest of my life before answering the question.
However this course of action would drive the wedge between wrinklies and the ravers, each blaming each other for what is happening now.
Porto
2nd Aug 2020
7
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I do not agree to lockdown because you are over a certain age. I will shortly be 83, and live alone but I am as healthy as I was 20 years ago. I have a dog who gets walked at least twice a day, do my garden, my own shopping, housework, knitting and sewing which keeps me busy every day. The only problem I have is that I get lonely, especially in winter but being shut up for days on end would make that worse not better I do know some people who need to be extra cautious due to ill health but I would say they have enough common sense to keep away from crowds etc without being told by the Government.
Blindolly
2nd Aug 2020
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Another lockdown is just another turn of the screw to control us and isolate us using divide and conquer tactics.
I’ve not been fooled by any of this mask wearing. Maybe that’s because I’m a lateral thinker. I look at one rule then compare it to another or others. For example you can go to church but you must not sing, supposedly heavy breathing when singing spreads the virus. However you don’t need to wear a mask to the gym. Is that because heavy breathing during exercise is in some way different?
There are a number of similar contradictions of rules if you look long and hard enough.
This is some crazy method of testing compliance, just like the fake shortage of toilet rolls and paracetamol was a reaction test to test public gullibility.
Don’t fall for all this!
Suedal
2nd Aug 2020
6
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I have stuck rigidly to the rules so far, despite being a widow whose adult children and their families live 50 miles away. I have no other relatives but I have managed ok so far. I have just enjoyed recently meeting up with a friend for a socially distanced walk and a chat. I am 72 and fit and healthy, I have walked every day for at least half an hour alone. I am unwilling to be locked down properly again when the cause of the problem is young people. Make their life a misery instead of ours.
PamelaW78
2nd Aug 2020
3
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If you haven't already started, use technology to help you. I've just attended a church service on Zoom, as I have every week. It feels as if we are meeting for real every week, as we have the opportunity to interact and chat afterwards. I'm a keen bellringer, so I've started a group to use Ringing room/zoom, as a way of keeping in touch ( If anyone wants to learn the theory without a bell, let me know! ) There are opportunities to do that with people from across the world. I'm also a member of the WI, and we've got a group meeting every week on Zoom, just to keep up. Not everyone is willing to give it a try, but it's never too late. My friend is 91 and has just got her first iPad.
notsopodgy
2nd Aug 2020
0
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Well said, Pamela. We have so many things going on in churches all over the country and you don't even have to be there. No chance of suffering from loneliness or mental health eh?
You are never too old to learn.. Stop learning new things and your brain soon dies!
vievanstalktalknet
2nd Aug 2020
2
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Can't give a Yes or No as I have a car and can isolate to my destination (I live within M25). If I had to travel on public transport a different matter. Also escalation due to younger people's gatherings etc. which we are being penalized for.
Mika
2nd Aug 2020
2
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Can I mention all the migrants flooding into Britain without any checks being made? No doubt many are carrying the virus and dispersing across the country, Never see any mention of this on forums or government briefings. Presumably they are exempt from any responsibility for the residents of this country - just here for the benefits!
MerylR
2nd Aug 2020
1
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what about people like Boris' Dad who wriggled his way into Greece, despite their ban on people coming to their country? Doubtless he is back now, has he had a test? ALL travellers should have been tested from the very start and quarantined for 14 days. Don't turn this horrific virus situation into some racist nonsense
LAForbes
2nd Aug 2020
8
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We who may be deemed at risk already know how to behave. I will not be imprisoned during my sunset years just because some inconsiderate people believe that they are invincible. I will act responsibly but enjoy what life has yet to offer.
Scoobie
2nd Aug 2020
1
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It has been identified that the biggest risk is from the young folk. Having a lockdown for the older generations does not solve this problem. Indeed it has the adverse effect of further isolating these already 'lonely' generations increasing the sense of loneliness and risk of depression. Having said this, the choice should be with the individual.
BarbaraG884
2nd Aug 2020
2
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We can’t stay in lockdown indefinitely. The damage done to the economy will have to be paid for. Poverty is increasing and will lead to more deaths. Other health issues not being dealt with because the medical profession is focussing on COVID-19 means more unnecessary deaths and people suffering unnecessarily with treatable conditions. Domestic violence is on the increase, people’s mental health is suffering, children’s education is being affected.

The original intention was to “flatten the curve” to prevent the NHS being overwhelmed. We seem to have moved from that to “prevent anyone getting infected”, and that is unrealistic.
FionaG13
2nd Aug 2020
2
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I am not moving out of the first lockdown. I want to see my grand children grow up. I just want other people to sit and think what they are doing. They must have mums and dads grand parents other elderly members of they families. Do they not love them and want to keep them safe and well. Its no good crying when its to late and they are gone. Keep safe everyone and stay home.
DebA
2nd Aug 2020
3
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I think it is not the older people who are causing the current spike, most older people I know are still being very, very careful! eg I have not cuddled my Grandchildren since March! it is the younger people who are gathering in large groups and visiting each other’s houses without social distancing that are causing the issues. Why then should older people be forced to isolate again?
AnnH424
2nd Aug 2020
2
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I was lucky enough to have a brilliant employer who made my salary up during lockdown but that won't happen if I'm told to shield again. I will have to go against medical advice as I cannot afford not to work.
poempoet
2nd Aug 2020
4
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I already think that life is passing me by having just retired. This was supposed to be my time for going out and doing all the things I want to do (especially going to the theatre) now I am sitting at a brick wall with no prospects.
MargaretN72
2nd Aug 2020
0
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If the virus is increasing amongst the 20 to 35 age group why lockdown over 50s .
I agree vulnerable people should still be protected but start with the people not capable of maintaining social distance when out partying.

We are an island we should have locked down borders at very beginning. Stop all flight except emergency repatriation . As New Zealand Korea etc has. And asses people at airport b4 allowing out to roam around .
Smokeyno1
2nd Aug 2020
0
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I have been shielding since middle March, as classed as vulnerable, I still have not been out and am very apprehensive to do so. I have come this far, so even if we had to shield again, it is better to be safe than sorry. I suspect we will get another spike as well, due to some people who think it is safe to mingle, without any precautions. This virus is still around and no one knows how long for. Stay safe all.
anubis
2nd Aug 2020
6
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I am 71 with various underlying conditions so have stuck rigidly to the rules, but its annoying to watch so many flouting the rules or advice on distancing because they are young and fit and this virus is unlikely to kill them. Being trapped in my home at this stage of my life is not what I had planned or hoped for. This is not living its simply surviving the crack down needs to be on those that are spreading the virus and we need to shut our borders if as an island we can`t keep it out God help the rest of the world
Rosedeb
2nd Aug 2020
3
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It's only a matter of time before a second spike, especially as there are other viruses lurking. The borders should be closed properly then people would know where they are. The advice at the moment is quite confusing and it's not surprising that the population are becoming agitated. I've been trying to explain to my profoundly deaf daughter what is going on, I found it very difficult.
Valerieking
2nd Aug 2020
5
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Our son and daughter live in Scotland consequently we haven't seen them since Christmas and we all abided by the rules in England and Scotland. There have been no cases near us because we abided by the rules. I have recently had an accident and would love to see them I do not feel it is fair to ask us to isolate further
GreyFart316
2nd Aug 2020
4
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.afraid to say this but a shut door is the best form of mask
GillB24
2nd Aug 2020
2
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If we have to go into shielding again then life will be intolerable. And the chances of any of the groups that we belong to restarting is slim. That would turn every village into a ghost town.
moominmomma
2nd Aug 2020
9
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I really don’t know how to vote because I really see the dilemma the Government faces, balancing health & the economy. It breaks my heart thinking of the thousands who will be out of work if a second generalised lockdown occurs, the businesses bankrupt, children damaged by missing out on schooling... So I will do whatever the Government decides..
But it is time also, to get tough with the minority of idiotic morons for whom it is just carry on regardless of risk to their own or other people’s health. I will not isolate any further only to see these crowded beaches, pubs, parks, demonstrations & ‘raves, ’ without any thought of social distancing. Ultimately I fear it is anarchy, as the Police seem to be powerless. Is this what the Prime Minister is really afraid of?
Tomld
2nd Aug 2020
6
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It's not the over 50's that are the problem but teenagers and those in their early 20's that are the problem flaunting the social distancing rules. That's where the restrictions should be. Ban all gatherings of over 4 people in public places but allow family gatherings in homes. That will very quickly identify who is breaking social distancing.
Close the beaches etc.
ChristineS7
2nd Aug 2020
1
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I agree that it should be the youngsters who have restrictions put on their movements and gathering in large numbers. Not, I advise you, get some balls Boris .
LibbyM7
2nd Aug 2020
1
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What ever it takes, like most of us its hard, with the isolation and loneliness but the alternative is rather more permanent, so you choose
Fisher100
2nd Aug 2020
2
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I live in Scotland and have found that the over 50s are following the rules, it is the young who are meeting up, often in large numbers and flouting the guidance. It was hard enough the first time round, and I am not a "vulnerable" person, just over 65!
SallyW
2nd Aug 2020
3
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This would help reduce the cases going to hospital and ICU. But it seems to be young people who are spreading the virus, when they go out and socialise.
MartinS41
2nd Aug 2020
1
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My Wife has been shielding since the beginning I started with her to protect her as I have Asthma.
It is not the shielding extremely vulnerable who are the problem.
We are probably the most careful and sensible in society.
Boris should not peanalise the same people in society when their mental health has already been tested to its limits.
MargaretH181
2nd Aug 2020
10
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Older people are Boris’s easy target. He can’t control the ethnic minorities with their cultural differences and celebrations, he can’t control the young people with their illegal raves and mass demonstrations. So it’s back to locking up the older generation, if this is not age and disability discrimination I don’t know what is.
Madjudy
2nd Aug 2020
2
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While I see the younger ones coming out of pubs, protesting and generally not complying with social distancing or wearing face masks because of it I do not feel we older ones should have to have our freedom of choice taken away from us. I only shop once a week to do grocery shopping since masks have been brought in as I find they cause me to suffer panic attacks but rather than being told off I erar them.
Sezzy66
2nd Aug 2020
0
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I’ve not come out of this lockdown yet! I’m going to carry on shielding until I’ve finished chemotherapy, then I will assess the situation, but I’m in no rush!!!
MikeH58
2nd Aug 2020
1
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Sad that all this is happening, but I have to wonder how after 4 months of lockdown and now forcing people to wear masks is an answer. We see flare ups happening all over the world WHY? How is it being transmitted even when people wear masks. Is it airborne? So no matter what we try it’s out there waiting to get at the population. Vaccines are ages away and no doubt the one that ends up being used will not be the one to help everyone as it’s known to mutate so quickly. So would have to be a broad Spectrum vaccine.

A subscriber earlier mentioned Japan, and there handling of it. Perhaps you should read this article which will show how badly they are doing. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-07-31/japan-acted-like-the-virus-had-gone-now-it-s-spread-everywhere

There is, and never will be a quick fix for this and we are all being dragged into a direction. Of total control over population. Think / research deeper into this issue and you will come come up with a rather worrying answer. We are in this for the long term and we just need to learn to live with this, like the annual flu. Interestingly the death rate for the past 5 years has been declining, even including CV. The world death rate of CV stands at 650,000 people out of 7Billion .

The World Health Organization estimates that worldwide, annual influenza epidemics result in about 3-5 million cases of severe illness and about 250,000 to 500,000 deaths. [21] In the United States, individual cases of seasonal flu and flu-related deaths in adults are not reportable illnesses; consequently, mortality is estimated by using statistical models.

FOOD FOR THOUGHT...
Hairylegs61
2nd Aug 2020
1
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I am 59. I live alone. I've followed the guidance. I've struggled as completely alone without my family all those weeks. I've gone nowhere other than a supermarket. I've no outside space and, normally a keen walker, have stayed in rather than go out amongst Fife locals who have ignored all of the guidance and still do.

The other night, I went passed a local beer garden heaving with young people. No masks. No social distancing. A local club, with a queue of young people waiting to get in and hardly an inch of distance between them. Lock THOSE people up. Supermarkets are no longer limiting numbers allowed in at a time. Sort THAT out. And tourists are rampaging round Scotland leaving their human waste, a Covid carrier, in public places risking other users. Stop THAT.

Once you've enforced all the guidance if covid rates are still rising, THEN you can come for the over 50s.
soozy13
2nd Aug 2020
5
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We are not the sector of the public which needs to stay in. Most of us have the intelligence to do this, and If we have medical conditions we should be able to make our own choice, one rule for all is not correct.
I think we missed our chance to control the virus in UK months ago.
VernR
2nd Aug 2020
2
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Surely a Nationwide lockdown of 3 or 4 weeks, if strictly adhered to, would stop the virus in its tracks. I've been shielding since the 16th March and only recently started venturing out. I have not seen my daughters in that time, they are both abroad and I see no prospect of being able to see them for the foreseeable future. The population wants to wake up to how selfish some sections are and bite the bullet, adhere to the guidelines and we can beat it. When an old person, who has been shielding, catches it, it is because a visitor, who may be a relative has given it to them.
Wilf
2nd Aug 2020
2
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I agree with you. If Boris had been tougher for a lot longer we would not be in this situation now.
JuneS226
2nd Aug 2020
3
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whilst raves and protest marches continue, people crowding beaches and beauty spots, in fact taking absolutely no notice of anything, except from the uncle of a friend who works in a hospital somewhere in the world saying there is no pandemic - fake news and worst of all saying its just a bad case of the flu, which as everyone ones knows gives you blood clots and kidney failure. I really don't think we will see the end of it. People have got blasé, when the pandemic first occurred people took notice now it is old news, I though this brush with 'death' would bring humanity to its senses unfortunately I was wrong. A case of the minority with big mouths and nothing to say holding sway over the rest of us trying to do the right thing.
KathyG7
2nd Aug 2020
1
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Sadly I think it is necessary...I have been shielding since the beginning...so have only had one day ‘free’ so far! I do think if the over 50’s are required to shield that some sort of curfew should be put in place for the over 20’s too....as sadly some of the younger generations not following the guidance given. We all have to play our part in this.
MargaretH181
2nd Aug 2020
1
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My husband was shielding from May but recently has started going out because it was seriously affecting his mental health. I turned 70 at the end of last year, I am fit, active, healthy and my husbands only carer, I don’t want another lock down. I want the medical profession to get back to some form of normally. Because as it stands no one knows what the death toll is for the people who have had treatment stopped, illness not diagnosed, mental health issues left untreated. Bad as this virus is life goes on and everyone deserves the right to medical care and treatment not just Covid patients
DonnaH72
2nd Aug 2020
5
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Shut the beaches, pubs any demonstrations or anything where there could possibly cause a large gathering.Its pretty obvious from the media we've all seen people are not taking any notice of socially distancing.
FloraA
2nd Aug 2020
1
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I feel it is a lot of young teens who are ignoring the rules and gathering in crowds without masks. We are wearing masks to protect the likes of them and they seem to think it is a huge joke. Something needs to be done about this generation. (Not all of them obviously)
MargaretH181
2nd Aug 2020
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Anne McShane
2nd Aug 2020
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Nannabeth
2nd Aug 2020
7
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So we may asked to pay the price for all the covidiots who ignore guidance and lack common sense and consideration. I feel like the sword of Damocles is being hung over the head of older people and it's very depressing.
Janettemidwife
2nd Aug 2020
3
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We need to really sacrifice to keep the vulnerable and the NHS safe until we have a vaccine. This is a small price to pay to save even one life. We also cannot rely on the young and also the ignorant to play the game as proven.
MargaretH181
2nd Aug 2020
1
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So whilst the NHS is protected to concentrate on Covid patients what happens to cancer patients who’s treatment has been stopped, operations cancelled, illness not diagnosed. Do these lives not matter
tinatots11
2nd Aug 2020
0
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As far as I am aware cancer treatments have not been stopped, my friend has continued her chemo and had surgery during the pandemic. I can not comment on all cases but I also know 3 people who have had surgery too.
MargaretH181
2nd Aug 2020
1
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My daughters father in law has had his treatment stopped, he lives alone and apart from some food parcels I don’t think he is receiving any other care. My daughter does not live close by but does what she can and says his health is deteriorating and is very worried about him being alone. I have also heard of a local man that has just died his cancer surgery was cancelled and he has given up. This is just dreadful and with so many saying they won’t have a vaccination this virus is going to be around for a long time. Goodness only knows what the country will be like if and when this is behind us
PatrickF1
2nd Aug 2020
2
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Probably and sadly yes.
But we need help financially
I’m on ESA & PIP so not a large income and obviously I’m now using more electricity, gas etc because I have to.
I’m also not able to look for any bargains at the supermarket etc.
I’m 58 and although I could have access to my pension I would lose money off my benefits. So I’m stuck in my predicament.
Wilf
2nd Aug 2020
1
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This is also the problem as so many people are suffering from financial issues. We have found that staying at home for months has saved a lot of money but its still tight.
Anthea53
2nd Aug 2020
0
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the adults can make their own decisions; however any who might be spreading it must isolate completely
Wilf
2nd Aug 2020
3
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Yes we do need to shield ourselves or we are heading for another huge wave like the USA or Melbourne especially when winter hits. It is a no brainer. Korea and Japan have been very tough and have it under control. Come on Boris toughen up-we can take it!
PamelaW78
2nd Aug 2020
7
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I'm nearly 79. I live alone in a rural area. I don't go out much, but that's my choice. All the previous hobbies I enjoyed have been stopped by the virus. I want to continue exercising my choice - being aware, careful and intelligent. I don't want to be locked up like an animal.
Hazelshouse
2nd Aug 2020
1
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I’m fit and healthy and approaching 65 (much to my horror) and all this staying in is doing my head in. I belong to the embroiderer’s guild and a quilt group and volunteer with National Trust and all these and more like the Women’s Institute have been on hold since mid March. It is ageism because most of these organisations are attended by older people. It’s the only sort of social interaction I get cos I’m not working.
synod
2nd Aug 2020
1
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It seems absolute madness after all the effort of shielding since March, (and having found our way around all the issues it may have caused initially), to stop shielding whilst the COVID numbers are climbing again. Are we deliberately trying to support and pormote a second wave?
Wilf
2nd Aug 2020
3
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I totally agree with you. I think Boris tries to please people and be popular but he is then seen as flip-flopping. He needs to clamp down and stop the virus. It is hard but necessary.
MrsPat
2nd Aug 2020
5
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Probably as we do need to eradicate this asap and until a vaccine is developed I cannot see any other way to stop it. It is mostly us older folk who seem to be badly affected by it.
Munsterlander
2nd Aug 2020
6
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Yes I am staying at home until this dammed pandemic is over. Apart from my weekly shopping I do not go out and I am quite happy.

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