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Is the greeting ‘Ladies and Gentlemen’ out of date?

The “ladies and gentlemen” greeting on Tube announcements is to be scrapped, Transport for London (TfL) has announced.

London Underground staff have been told to say “hello everyone” in an effort to become more gender-neutral.

TfL said the move was to ensure all passengers felt “welcome”.

LGBT campaign group Stonewall welcomed the decision, which was supported by London mayor Sadiq Khan at a session of Mayor’s Question Time last month.

The revised phrasing will be applied to all new pre-recorded announcements made across the capital’s transport network.

Mark Evers, director of customer strategy at TfL, said: “We want everyone to feel welcome on our transport network.

“We have reviewed the language that we use in announcements and elsewhere and will make sure that it is fully inclusive, reflecting the great diversity of London.”

Mr Khan said he was “keen” TfL speak in a “more neutral way”.

What are your views?

Are you concerned that this cultural constant greeting will be eroded everywhere over time? In attempting to be inclusive are we in danger of losing our quintessentially Britishness? Is this political correctness gone mad? Or is it right that we should move with the times and risk not offending others?

Is the greeting 'Ladies and Gentlemen' out of date?

634 people have already voted, what's your opinion? No - it will never be out of date Yes - we need to move with the times

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Fenfan07
14th Oct 2017
0
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I see nothing wrong with addressing people as 'ladies and gentlemen', but at the same time feel that it can at times, and in some circumstances, seem a little outmoded. I always refer to a woman I don't know personally as a lady, similarly with a gentleman, ie " This lady", " This gentleman", but having said that, I can't abide being addressed as 'Madam'. which gets my back up straight away. as does insincerity in any form. So, I see no need to 'lose' the greeting, but also believe in moving with the times. To a point. OK, you guys?
monzaV
26th Sep 2017
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It is definitely preferable to hey you guys.
DavidR6
3rd Sep 2017
2
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How on earth can it be out of date , we have had and always will have two genders male and female no others unless you have been surgically altered . We need two sexes or we would simply cease to exist and speaking as.a male I'm only too pleased with females . And I may be wrong but I'm sure that the majority of females enjoy being treated as ladies and looking like ladies too. My word what a sad society it's becoming.
ValerieShortland
4th Aug 2017
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I hope not. It is a polite way of address, so much better than "Hey You" which I cam across recently and refuses to answer to.
Munsterlander
25th Jul 2017
4
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How can it have gone out of date its part of the British politeness and the English language-all a bit silly political correctness if you ask me
Greenise
21st Jul 2017
5
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Oh for goodness sake! Teach people the correct way to address people. Also I hate it when a shop or institution I am dealing with addresses me "Hi Anne". That is for friends and family only, which they are not.
Mimosa
21st Jul 2017
5
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I do not see the problem in the "ladies and gentleman" announcements after all if you were born a male but now wish to be female and would like to be known as a female and the same with a female who now wishes to be a male doesn`t the greeting of "everyone" just draw attention to the fact that it is done on the sole purpose of highlighting the people who have changed their desire to be something other than what they were born with.
rubysgran
21st Jul 2017
4
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the world has gone mad
VeraS
20th Jul 2017
5
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Thanks to the PC brigade we all have to listen to this rubbish
MrsPat
18th Jul 2017
7
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Ladies and Gentlemen caters for everyone. Some are Ladies...some are gentlemen and some are both so the current announcements are fine
Shadrak
17th Jul 2017
4
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Hello everyone......YUK. The killer words are there, "diversity", "Inclusive", "gender neutral".....more YUK. There is a saying, 'all cats are grey in the dark' and that is what some people want this country to be. In trying to be something for everyone we will become everything for no-one. Oh, nearly forgot - have a nice day!
Yodama
17th Jul 2017
4
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I think it is a secret plot to incrementally homogenise the population into "citizen's ," "where is your identity card citizen?"
Slip sliding into living in George Orwell's 1984.
Until then, all old traditions will be phased out. we become robots. Do robots care what they are called?
Rosyk
17th Jul 2017
7
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I'm confused.....I thought that transgender folk were people who felt they were the opposite sex to their birth sex. If that is the case, are they not still ladies and gentlemen??
scandiman
17th Jul 2017
7
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Pet hate of mine is when a waiter/waitress refers to me and my wife as 'guys'. Also when cashiers thank me for waiting in a queue. I point out that, if I don't, I won't be paying for my goods. In addition, I am irritated by the cashier wishing me 'a happy rest of my day'. When I once said that would be difficult as I was going to a close relative's funeral later, they didn't know what to say. All part of chummy, matey, hip Britain.
Lionel
17th Jul 2017
8
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Hip Britain. More like a poor quality rip off of the States.

That form of address, ladies and gentlemen, is perfectly adequate for us. It's sufficiently remote as not to be intrusive but that acknowledgement of our presence is welcoming.
scandiman
17th Jul 2017
10
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What I dislike about it most, is that it's all so insincere. They utter these idiotic phrases, which they learn by rote, without any eye contact.
On another point, while I'm ranting, why is it Transport for London now? What was wrong with London Transport? How much did it cost to change all the signs, and what for?
In the article, it said that the Mayor, MR. Khan was keen for TFL to speak in a more neutral way. Why then, was he identified as MR? Surely, following the rules of modern stupid-speak, he should be called, THE PERSON known as Khan!
Is it me, or has the whole of Britain gone stark, raving mad?
Lionel
17th Jul 2017
5
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No, it's not just you, Scandiman, the whole of Britain is stark, raving mad. We've been compelled to give place to liberal thinkers (perish the breed) and do gooders and they have wreaked havoc on British society. They forget their advanced education was paid for by the British people they so revile. In gratitude they sever the very financial and cultural breasts which nurtured them to ... I was going to say adulthood. That's in very short supply now so I'll retract it.

I can't speak in particular about Transport for London - spent my teen aged years there and went farm working as soon as I could get out. But isn't this British society now so driven by image?

London Transport had an archaic image. Underground roundels are seen in war time documentaries. Some bright spark in an advertising agency must have suggested a change! Do they care about costs. No.

Scandiman, I'll speak my mind. We've let go our spiritual roots, the very roots that gave an anchorage in an eternal reality. No matter the storms that might hit us our anchor held secure. Today, that sort of sentiment is repudiated, scorned. But because of that the country has become a free for all in so many respects. We have become a weak, ineffectual people. The storms are more fierce and we are all tossed about without hope.

Me? I dug deep roots when much younger. They've served me well. I just wish I'd served them so well.
Pwilly
16th Jul 2017
6
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I am a lady and my partner is a gentleman. If either of us were to change sex, we would still be a lady or a gentleman. So no, is the answer to the question as far as this "Lady" goes.
Broholmer
16th Jul 2017
13
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We have gender awareness weeks in work and transgender support eeek to support staff and families of staff who are undergoing the "transgender journey" , however I have not seen any conferences in work or support weeks for staff or families of staff with cancer or dementia, which affects a much higher percentage of people, do we have our priorities wrong ?
krb
16th Jul 2017
3
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I am totally in agreement with GayleH. TfL needs to reconsider its subservience to the bland prescriptions of the PC culture!
Yodama
15th Jul 2017
2
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While It would be very nice to cling on to traditions we know and love so well as a part of our time as the older generation, it is impossible.
We are handing over to the new breed now who will put their stamp on their own traditions.

I suppose time, technology, fashion and language marches on and we must adapt.

"Hello Everyone" sounds okay to me!
caaland
15th Jul 2017
10
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I agree with mist comments here, our beautiful country is losing its traditions in the interest of so called political correctness... Our moral code has gone, even the fact that as a nation we were considered honest and trustworthy has gone....
Pam1960
14th Jul 2017
9
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I'm more shocked that someone is being paid to come up with such ridiculous ideas. TFL would be better spending their time on improving customer experience than discussing how to greet passengers. If someone is offended by being called ladies or gentlemen then I say tough. I don't prefer to be lumped in with everyone. I would think as over half of TFL passengers have English as a 2nd language we may go on to greetings in several languages, where does it end
MrsPat
14th Jul 2017
8
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I do worry about our country and our traditions as they seem to be eroding very fast. Not many men give up their seat for me nowadays on public transport and we seem to be loosing our manners as well. Oh dear whatever next?
toi toi
14th Jul 2017
16
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Why do the minority always get their way? What is wrong with the phrase 'ladies and gentlemen'? Crazy.
Lionel
14th Jul 2017
8
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Wilf, a good few hours ago, welcomed an inclusive society in a post below. Now I have a high regard for Wilf and a lot of respect. We agree on many things, but on this we cannot agree.

Any attempt to make our society inclusive weakens it. Inclusion means nobody may fail, nobody will win (refer to the non-competitive sports thread of this week), sexual deviancy is acceptable if not encouraged and what is termed a crime is down graded as an advance in British society. Thanks Tony Blair!

There is no such thing as a thriving inclusive society. Of it's very nature such is doomed to destruction because there isn't a framework in which we may live. Other societies long before ours went down this road and died. Rome is a classic example as is the Greek civilisation. They died for the same reason - in John Lennon's words ... anything goes. No it doesn't.

I will always treat my wife as the lady she is. I will respect other women in a similar fashion. Our Editor, Sally, has identified herself as a woman, a wife and the mother of three girls and carer of a dependant mother. Given her identification with her womanhood I know how to write to her, how to make a point, and know a word of thanks goes an awfully long way. A male Labour troll, however is a different matter. Using SS for political gain is unacceptable and my replies are ruthless.

In terms of TFL, what difference will their policy change make? Little, if any. Society will go on while we identify ourselves by our gender. I will still open a door for a woman, be courteous to her, carry her shopping to her car.

That's being nice. But what happened to 'nice' in our society? Relegated to a pack of biscuits?
Wilf
15th Jul 2017
3
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Lionel I have a huge amount of thumbs down including I think one from you my old friend! I was just going with the flow (only dead fish do that it seems!) and trying to be a bit modern in these 21st century times but seem I am a bit our of touch with the rest of my fellow members. Time to dig a hole and retreat quickly down into it methinks!
Lionel
15th Jul 2017
3
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I'm very sorry to have made that comment so personal Wilf. I wish I'd done it another, less personal way.

Please don't dig a hole, nor think of yourself as a dead fish. Far too much to offer us on Silver Surfers.

It seems many of us here have either grave misgivings or at least doubts, about the directions this twenty first century is taking. I certainly am among them. I would like to think my wife and I had bequeathed my step children and grand children something better than a smart phone driven, dumbed down society.

Hope we may remain friends Wilf. I'd miss your humour and wisdom.
Wilf
15th Jul 2017
3
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Lionel we will always be friends I really respect and enjoy your thoughts and comments. I was only joking as I normally seem to have hit the nail on my comments but here many of my fellow Silversurfers obviously do not agree as I am down at -14 thumbs down! All the best to you and hope you are enjoying the weekend!
Lionel
15th Jul 2017
3
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Your kindness is undeserved, but very well received.

Enjoy this weekend? I don't think so, Wilf. Today is my wife's birthday. It's been a quiet day, mainly because we are quiet, reserved people. Took Collies for a run and had a lot of fun with them as always. But tomorrow the Hoardes and Vandals hit. My step family.

Tomorrow I'm chef de cuisine, as always on these occasions. Why? Because I can and it gets me away from the less well regarded family members. I'm renowned within the family for social gaffes, otherwise known as speaking one's mind.

As yet I don't know how many I'm cooking for, but it will be a lot. By 7.30pm they will have eaten and drunk us out of house and home and I will be evicting them. At 20.00 hours I will be in my recliner sound asleep. 22.00 I'll be awake and dog feeding.

23.00 I will be in our lovely bed, sound asleep. Out for the count!

Monday I'll be grumpy. But my dear lady knows how to handle me on those days. She knows I'm not fond of many of my step family.

All of which is an awfully long way from the subject of this thread. I do hope Sally lets it stand.

But, Wilf, yes, we'll be friends on SS for a very long time. Like minds. I do look forward to it.
GayleH
14th Jul 2017
12
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As someone who is Transsexual, I still totally agree with Lydia321's comments. The world is going mad and all this business about being PC, being more inclusive and not wanting to label people, etc, is actually doing more harm than good to the people, like me, who, as Lydia, says, couldn't give a damn in the first place.
I don't want to feel if I am 'special needs', that people around me have to be careful how they refer to me just in case I am offended. I want to live in a normal world where people say good morning sir, good morning madam or good morning ladies and gentlemen.

What next. The signs on toilet doors show either a figure wearing a skirt or trousers. Sadly not so many women wear skirts these days, so is someone going to say that the sign for Ladies is sexist?
parsnip54
15th Jul 2017
7
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In reply to GayleH comments. Good for you girl. You are exactly right. To many different labels is only going to confuse and even worse, create more prejudice then there is now. If someone is gay, fine, but let's not make them a target for those who are too narrow minded to except people for who they are, not what they are. Good morning Ladies and Gentleman, long may it last.
Ddotty
14th Jul 2017
6
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I think "ladies and gentlemen" sounds good.
It is not often Iget called a lady. It is a little bit of old England; there isn't much left.

I wonder how long it will be before the "good" in " "good morning" gets dropped in case it offends those having a not so.
Helen Highwater
14th Jul 2017
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I totally agree with h20 - couldn't have said it better.
h2o
14th Jul 2017
10
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The world has got politically correct madness. Between wanting to be famous for 5 minutes. Wanting equality in everything, self obsession, greed, suing culture,prolific dishonesty, and lack of basic good manners and care for our fellow man. It is a sad place to live these days.
LizG2
14th Jul 2017
9
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There are far more important things to worry about than this! I can see nothing wrong with 'Ladies and gentlemen'; who thinks up these ridiculous ideas!!
mick2e1hzm
14th Jul 2017
9
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You are a man or a woman, which bus you catch is up to you,
Lydia321
14th Jul 2017
9
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So so stupid, I am sure LGBT people have more to think about than people saying ''good morning ladies or gentlemen. The world is going mad or rather madder.
JEEM
14th Jul 2017
11
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Who are these people? Are they actually being paid to come up with this trivia?? Why don't they concentrate on making sure the trains run on time and the ticket machines are all operational. On this earth there are men and women (ladies and gentlemen) regardless of who they might like to be or feel they are, which is their right, but it is quite ridiculous to change a standard greeting to suit one catagory of people. I'm sure (I know) the people it's aimed at wouldn't want it anyway.
scandiman
14th Jul 2017
12
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The worst crime in modern Britain is to hurt someone's feelings. It's getting to the point where a person has to think carefully before speaking in case they inadvertently offend. There must be an army of bureaucrats who spend all their time looking under every stone for new ways of avoiding offence. What my dear, departed grandparents would think of this, I shudder to think.
KathB25
14th Jul 2017
8
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The 'Hello Everyone' greeting sounds like the start of a CBeebies show.
If it had to change, then simply 'Good morning' 'Good afternoon' or 'Good evening' will surfice
Lancashire Lady
14th Jul 2017
4
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Our language will gradually become very dull and functional
CaroleAH
14th Jul 2017
7
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The PC brigade have completely lost the plot! We are, whether by birth or choice, male or female. It's nothing to do with "Britishness" either - other countries address their populations in a way which defines their sex e.g. Mesdames et Messieurs and Damen und Herren etc etc. What this could be is an insidious way of introducing uni-sex toilets which I would hate! Having said that - there's never a queue for the Gents so perhaps ........... just perhaps 🙂
Eileen Baldwin
14th Jul 2017
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I am sick and tired of this sort of thing (so as not to offend others ) is the usual excuse. Gradually I feel our way of life is being eroded. I.e some forms have no room for Mrs,only Ms . I am not a Ms I proudly married my husband I am Mrs.
The day I find the toilets not saying men or women I will not use them.
This is the tip of the iceberg.
I don't interfere with way people want to live. But they certainly are interfering with ours. Or is it just the
P c brigade? Because often we find out it's the PC brigade that decide how everyone thinks. They cause more trouble then all the diverse people so I like ladies and gentlemen . But like good manners it may be outdated. Or will it?
Ratz
14th Jul 2017
9
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All these PC Brigade need to go out & get a life, trying to change our history/Heritage etc a bunch of complete LOSERS in my opinion
Wassname
14th Jul 2017
6
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This gender neutral idea is becoming ridiculous. The NHS are struggling to move away from mixed wards, because people want single sex accommodation. Everywhere you go in this country, there are (in the main) male or female toilets, to the point where they put a plaque up to state if a male cleaner is present in the female loos. It kind of makes TFL look a bit silly really.
Frankie Kennedy
15th Jul 2017
2
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The latest "trend", gender neutral, is a joke. Every human being is one gender or another. That silly term infers that there is something without a gender. It's just ridiculous and to force it upon children, to expect teachers to incorporate it into their teaching is CRIMINAL!
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Ridiculous. The tail is wagging the dog. I am offended if I am not called a lady but none of the away with the fairies PC squad at TFL will care. They have no idea of the real world.
DebbyD
14th Jul 2017
7
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For the transgender community they have chosen whether to be a Lady or a Gent and would I hope be pleased to be addressed as such. I guess Assistance dogs might feel happy to be welcomed though!
alasdairmcd
14th Jul 2017
12
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It's not losing "Britishness", it's losing sight of pure facts. There are only men and women in this world. If someone is crossgender or gay or lesbian they are still either man or woman whether by birth or choice.
NorfolkBroad
14th Jul 2017
11
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This 'fear of upsetting anyone' is getting ridiculously out of hand. I don't care what gender people are or want to be but surely there are only 2 options available to the human race - male or female? We are not robots, dogs, trees, genderless . . . so what on earth is wrong with 'ladies and gentlemen'? What next? Can we no longer call children 'children' when they become sexually active?!
PatT4
14th Jul 2017
6
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Just a thought what's wrong with just saying Good Morning, Good Afternoon or Good Evening it's quite obvious that the announcement is directed to human beings. Then no-one can get offended.
JimB22
14th Jul 2017
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Yes times are changing we should treat all as one
EODwife
14th Jul 2017
20
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Surely if people have changed sexes then they want to be known as a lady or a gent.
There are only 2 sexes Male & Female. No debate needed really your one or the other however you got there.
DerekF
14th Jul 2017
21
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This another instance of the complete stupidity of the so called 'Leaders' of our country and communities. There are Two genders.. male and female. All these others descriptive versions of these genders do not add to the number available. People can chose what they wish to be so that is a personal choice, so why are we bowing to make cultural changes law for the sake of 'tis minority of the population.
royalblue1
14th Jul 2017
15
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Ladies and gentlemen is much better than "hey guys" or "hello guys". Hate that expression. Should not be changed it is a very endearing greeting.
JohnHerb
14th Jul 2017
16
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It's ludicrous and someone in the underground needs to focus on getting the trains running on time and get them cleaner rather than making up total nonsense like this which is against the English language
Wilf
14th Jul 2017
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It's a good idea as we should make society all inclusive.
Yodama
15th Jul 2017
3
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Wow Wilf! Not the most popular statement it seems but I agree with you, embrace modernity.

Elvis was shunned for his new way of dancing, Rock and Roll was tut tutted as something sent by the devil.

Keeping to old traditions ( which are still deemed unlawful).
Entering the houses of Parliament with your armour on
Dieing in the houses of Parliament is unlawful
Allowing your dog to mate with the Queens dog.
Firing your cannon within 300yds of a dwelling house.
The Magna Carta is full of traditions that we have now moved on from.

Addressing the tube passengers in a friendly "Hello Everyone" is innocuous in comparison.
Wilf
15th Jul 2017
3
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Oh Dear Yodama most of my comments seem to get the thumbs up but not this. i thought I was going with the flow and the times they are a changing but seems like Fred Blogs UK does not want to change to more modern ways in this case. I have just seen my old mate Lionel does not agree with me I will address him in a sec. Yes you are so right we all hate change yet that is what mother nature does she is always changing things for the better its called evolution...now some thins do not change as they are so good-the shape of an egg, sharks, crocodiles and the shape of a wheel BUT we must all adapt to changes and that goes for our wonderful diverse society!
MrsPat
18th Jul 2017
2
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Sorry but total rubbish
Marley444
14th Jul 2017
13
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I must say that I find this all quite concerning. Whilst I have certainly moved with the times with regard to being very open minded and accepting of everyones rights in so many aspects of society, I do think that we now risk losing our identity as a nation. We are being told that instead of 'Merry Christmas' we have to say 'Happy Holidays' and now the erosion of this traditional greeting is another step towards us losing our identity and our own British culture. 'Ladies and Gentlemen, boys and girls' is as old as the hills and deemed to be a very polite greeting ... I wonder what the Queen thinks???
HeatherC91
14th Jul 2017
10
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I will never EVER say "happy holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas". This is ridiculous. This is Britain. I really don't think other religions care. When I worked in Manchester people of other religions were quite happy to celebrate Christmas with us. After all, they wouldn't change the names of Ramadan or Diwali or Passover to suit us would they?

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