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Is foreign aid better spent at home?

There is much controversy over the announcement that there are plans to cut the foreign aid budget after the Spending Review announced yesterday in light of the global pandemic.

Boris Johnson is facing a growing Tory backlash over plans to cut the international aid budget as part of a sweeping Spending Review aimed at dealing with the economic impact of the coronavirus crisis.

The 0.7% target is written into law and Mr Johnson’s 2019 election manifesto promised to keep it, but now it is set to be cut to 0.5% of gross national income (GNI).

A number of prominent Conservatives publicly expressed concern at the move – which formed part of the party’s manifesto – as the Government’s economic forecasts were questioned by some economists.

The overseas aid cut was announced by Chancellor Rishi Sunak as one of a number of measures intended to help cope with the economy contracting by an expected 11.3% this year.

Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby said it was “shameful and wrong”.

Oxfam chief executive Danny Sriskandarajah said: “Cutting the UK’s lifeline to the world’s poorest communities in the midst of a global pandemic will lead to tens of thousands of otherwise preventable deaths.”

The criticism follows interventions ahead of the statement from former prime ministers Sir John Major, David Cameron and Tony Blair, as well as Nobel Prize laureate Malala Yousafzai.

Sir John told The Times: “Cutting our overseas aid is morally wrong and politically unwise. It breaks our word and damages our soft power.

“Above all, it will hurt many of the poorest people in the world.”

Rishi Sunak said the Government had to make firm decisions as Britain faced its biggest downturn for 300 years, with unemployment set to hit 2.6 million by the middle of 2021, according to official forecasts from the Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR).

Mr Sunak also announced what amounted to a pay freeze for an estimated 1.3 million public sector workers.

NHS workers will be spared the “pause” in wage rises, and those earning below £24,000 will receive at least £250 extra.

What are your views? Is it right that we cut foreign aid this year in light of the pandemic? Or is it more essential than ever to help those who continue to suffer around the world?

Is Foreign Aid better spent at home?

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viv0147
27th Feb 2021
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If we could make sure all the needs of the UK citizens are met, then it would be okay to help other people in the World, but while we have food banks to help our people to have food and people homeless then put the UK first.
Bill13
7th Feb 2021
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We have been giving money away for year after year , But meanwhile back in the UK we have had 7 years of austerity , And some of the schemes that the money go to are silly
Lardbucket80
6th Feb 2021
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Why should our taxes be sent overseas, been giving aid for years hasn't made any difference, keep our money in our country.
cehodgson
5th Feb 2021
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Charity begins at home. I wouldn’t stop foreign aid altogether but there are so many needy causes here in England.
Hunnybea
2nd Feb 2021
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Foreign aid should not be mandatory. Of course we should help others where we can but surely we should help our own country first? Where we do give foreign aid it should be followed through to make sure it is spent properly and fairly and not on some governments desire to make a moon landing!
monzaV
18th Jan 2021
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Whatever happened to feed the world.
wisteria2021
8th Jan 2021
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Aid is being sent to China, India and other nuclear countries, who also can afford a space programme. If they can fund such programmes, they do not need or deserve aid - they should look after their poor and deprived before having these ego boosting agencies.
Rayot
2nd Jan 2021
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Give it to the countries that need it. Britain is the sixth richest country on earth. Even the poorest can afford tattoos and studs, not to mention mobile phones smarter than they are.
viking
4th Jan 2021
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Just to put your remarks into context , the level of individual indebtedness is the highest in Europe at the present time. The poor, as you suggest are in fact in hoc to the credit card companies and the Banks.to pay for the accessories you have mentioned. The danger for these people is that if the CC companies and Banks called in those loans, then things would be very different.
Terrytop
29th Jan 2021
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Maybe better to send a few plane loads of condoms.....
China has a one child per couple, and they are flourishing...
6-8 or more babies per couple in Africa, I rest my case...
Rayot
2nd Jan 2021
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I am ambivalent about the Queen, but I think that if she is head of the UK then nobody else is and that must be worth a few millions.

PS. Trump will be looking for a job later this month, what do you think ? (See what I mean ?)
Terrytop
1st Jan 2021
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Many years ago when I travelled quite a lot around France and Italy as a commercial/industrial buyer of parts I once got into a casual and friendly conversation in the bar in the hotel that I was staying overnight in at the time.
One small part of the conversation, and with a very educated and well travelled French and mature man went something like this:
I commented about EU membership, and all the ins and outs for different countries, with benefits of belonging, and monetary disadvantages for some others, when he gave me a wry smile and quitely said, and with a little chuckle:
'The problem that you brits have is that you play cricket' and when I looked puzzled he explained thus:
What you agree to, you do, whereas we just agree to everything, and then just don't do it'.
Rayot
19th Dec 2020
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As one of the wealthiest countries in the world we should pay back more of the money we stole from third-world countries to build our empire.
viking
19th Dec 2020
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Quite agree, unfortunately the Romans are at the moment in a worse situation than the UK. However perhaps we can persuade Rome to give the UK an IOU for what they stole from the UK to build their empire.
Terrytop
1st Jan 2021
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True in one sense, which is that of our 'Crusades' (which sounds like a proud thing to have done - but in fact very disgusting) when we set out around the World to concour and line our pockets, chopping any and all of the indiginious population that got in our way. Raping their land and people, and crushing them into defeat. (Roman Empire, Hitler and so many others.) SHAME ON YOU YOUR MAJESTY, AND YOUR PREDESSORS!!! P.S. to that, your billions of £sss worth Diamons glitter so bright, as does the "impressive" showing of your gold, and the funding of all the hangers on...
Shame on you, and as one Queen once saidin history in a reply to being told 'the population has no bread', the reply was 'then let them eat cake'. Still the same out of touch today in their unreal world.
I am pro monarchy, but their self indulgence is not in tough with the World of today.
We called our stamping on such countries 'The Commonwealth', and WE STILL DO!
But 'pay back' too late for all that, by decades, or even a century in some cases...
Yes, we stamped on many countries, but then again we brought them a terriffic amount of prosperity, jobs, structure and wealth...
Quid pro quo in the long run...
Terrytop
1st Jan 2021
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US wealthy???
Speak for yourself if you really reckon that = WRONG in the REAL World!
Our NHS was buried in lack of funding and cut-backs as were schools and housing etc. well before the Covid crisis.
NOW we face en-mass a great many job losses and unemployment (and so sadly small) businesses that will never recover.
Can we really afford to send big swathes of money and aid to other counties when a great many for example small business owners will be going bankrupt and losing their homes.
Charity begins at home!
viking
18th Dec 2020
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What a hot potato now. UNICEF aid to starving destitute children in the UK !!! Come on now , all the good samaritans who think aid should go to { well we are not sure } should receive priority. Surely the ignomy of having to be given aid to a "rich country " must at least make certain people blush.
SLRATHBONE
5th Dec 2020
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We all know the money sent to a lot of countries does not always reach the right cause, with a lot of of corruption going on,
We have children going hungry in the UK, homelessness, poverty in all walks of life, healthcare these and I'm sure many more issues should be where the money is is used in our own country, with all the extra government borrowing due to the pandemic we need to concentrate on looking after our own UK citizens
Rayot
19th Dec 2020
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If I stop giving and for every of every pound I donate 99 pence is stolen the charity wont even get the penny. However there are charities like WATERAID who are transparent with the money we give, and lets face it, dirty water is the basic problem for millions of people.

Yes, through our own fault we have hungry children in the UK, but other counties see their children die of thirst.
viking
21st Dec 2020
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I seem to remember approx 25 years ago an interesting film was shown on the TV showing water kits with sterilizing facilities built in, being manufactured here in East Anglia, which was part of Water aid for Africa. At the time it was stated that there were to be enough kits produced to stop dirty water in Africa for good. After this there was silence, then recently there had been a distribution problem caused amongst other things by tribal inter waring.
Perhaps the situation will still be the same in another 25 years or so.
Terrytop
1st Jan 2021
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Quite right.
'Charity begins at home'
Takers and givers and givers and takers.
Than God for Brexit as well, in the longer term.
No more MEP's claiming for 1st class flights to and frow and flying Easyjet, and a bundle for an office in Brussels when they rented a P.O. box and phone service.
OH, and there is the taking of the Wife/Husband (or 'Secretary').
Erm.....
Terrytop
29th Jan 2021
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AngieR3
5th Dec 2020
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Having been an Aid worker in Africa in the past. I can confirm even though time and time again we requested money for educational and health projects we were told there was no money to be had.
And yet suddenly, there was money for ministers to build lavish homes for themselves and their families, to provide expensive cars with holidays abroad.
Money should be designated to specific projects with people tasked with over seeing each project and not just handed over to the government.
Until this change is implemented the people in these countries will continue to live in poverty.
Lionel
5th Dec 2020
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Angie, you are better placed than any of us to speak out. Thank you for doing so.
Rayot
19th Dec 2020
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WaterAid and Plan International do that.
Terrytop
1st Jan 2021
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EXACTLY
EXACTLY
EXACTLY.

And the same goes for the cost of our MEPs and what was our 'contribution'.

Money down the drain!!!
sparrer
4th Dec 2020
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That's a very 'them and us' question. We're all in this world together and should be helping whoever we can. Of course get the homeless off our streets but we all have to save lives throughout the world, not discriminate. Charity begins at home, and this small world is everyone's home.
viking
5th Dec 2020
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People in Europe are never quite sure what to make of the UK. On one hand individualists and on the other a soft touch. They perceive the aid money as buying favours, which it often is. After reading some of the comments from members of the mad house and their reasons for wanting " even more contributions of foreign aid to be made from this leading world power ".
The shock comes when Europeans visit the UK and see the sights of extreme poverty in a country that tops the amount of foreign aid given.
Most of our European government neighbours would not allow such extravagance to buy favours with third world despots.
Terrytop
29th Jan 2021
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All correct and good points.
We in the U.K. ARE A SOFT TOUCH, the whole world knows that, why else would the droves risk death in a container lorry from France...
RLH
4th Dec 2020
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I do believe in helping those suffering in poorer countries but when we have many suffering from poverty in our own country it's time to rethink the amount given and do more to help those in need in the UK. No one in the UK should be living in poverty in this day and age.
Rayot
19th Dec 2020
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Is this "child poverty" caused by absent fathers, the cost of tattoos, studs, posh mobile phones and over-weight parents ?
SueC62
4th Dec 2020
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For the paltry amount it is, when you look at the % of your individual tax (less than 1%), it wouldn't provide any noticeable difference in this country but it will help those a lot less fortunate abroad.
jeaniembe
4th Dec 2020
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I'm not against foreign aid but we should have more control over where it goes and what it is spent on. Much of it is wasted whilst people in the UK are struggling. If a country can send rockets to the moon they don't need our money.
VeraS
4th Dec 2020
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How is it that countries get foreign aid yet they are still asking for money for water pipes and medicines. Give them half what they get now and keep the rest for this country
John Walsh
4th Dec 2020
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Foreign aid should be used to benefit the people and not line the pockets of corrupt dictators. Also it should not be swallowed up in admin costs.
If foreign aid is used wisely, it could help poor countries set up projects and programmes that would help out and put a curb on this incessant refugee problem that doesn't seem to end.
It's no good throwing money at the problem. It should be used for specific purposes.
Terrytop
29th Jan 2021
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Re 'Admin Costs'.
I saw a documentary on t.v. a while ago that was stating that only 16p net in the £ is left for the charities after the fat cat bosses employed in the 'BIG BUSINESS' of charities. With all the fancy company cars great holidays and pension plans...
Area manager, district, and regional employed staff.
About time the U.K. charities scams were exposed!!!
Garve0148
2nd Dec 2020
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As other people have said am really half and half. India did say they didn't need it but we insisted despite the fact they have a space programme even though the majority are living in poverty. African countries are not sharing aid out but lining their bank balances, need to refine the system to get the funds where they're needed. High on the list should be education and contraception and development of infrastructure. The old saying give a man a fish and he will feed his family for a day give him a rod and he will feed his family forever.
PurpleHat
1st Dec 2020
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I do agree with the need for a Foreign Aid program, I do not agree with giving cash which we ourselves have to borrow and pay back. There are many parts of the world where political and diplomatic pressure is more needed than cash.
I believe that for conditions to change we should ensure that all the girls in underdeveloped countries are educated, and should no longer be subjected to abuse, forced marriage, and unwanted pregnancy, but taught self care, skills, better land use etc. until they are no longer prepared to endure the conditions which they find themselves in. That is where our cash is best spent.
, That is when change comes about, when people are helped to help themselves.
I lived in rural Africa many years ago, nothing much has changed it seems, when those in power have no regard for their peoples.
Lionel
1st Dec 2020
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I don't think anyone has said it better PurpleHat. Thaank you.
PurpleHat
1st Dec 2020
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You are very welcome!
viking
2nd Dec 2020
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As we do know there are very few dictators/rulers etc., in undeveloped countries who could be trusted to pass on aid money to give girls in these countries a better life free from perverse practices which are abhorrent to citizens of the UK.
Changes in the attitude of these rulers must come from the top and as shown, this is a near impossible job, either by political or diplomatic means. All the time that aid is given unchecked at the receiving end, then it will finish up paying for the high life of the greedy few at the top.
Lionel
2nd Dec 2020
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I've sent a personal message to you, PurpleHat.
Retiredyorkie
1st Dec 2020
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YES !!!!!

Too much of our money that is given in foreign aid is not spent where it should be, If a country needs the monetary aid they should have to apply for it and specify exactly what it is for - not for some rich ruler or to fund a space programme -

Our country at this moment in times needs the money to help in this pandemic
Dani
30th Nov 2020
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SissieSis
30th Nov 2020
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I agree with Yodama. We are sending money to poor countries with rich rulers. There is a lot of poverty here in UK that could be alleviated by spending more to help here.
Valleyman
29th Nov 2020
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It's a case of repeating the same behaviour and expecting a different result. The West has been throwing cash at Africa for decades and only enriched a few dictators. Crazy policy. I was travelling in India when a local businessman explained the solution to me. 'Education and contraception'. Scrap the rigid payments and only help countries with emergency needs.
Terrytop
29th Jan 2021
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Casualgrey
29th Nov 2020
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Wel Rayot I do not know what planet you are orbiting but it is not one i am familiar with.
This country now owes trillions of pounds How are we selfish God helps those that help themselves as the saying goes .
When this country is a economically viable state things may change .this country is right by the top of the list in giving and i guess a lot of it is wasted and squirrelled away by despicable people hanging on to the gravy train
If people want to give to charity ... thats down to them .Its this country's economy i and many others are worried about .I don't think that is selfish just plain common sense.
viking
29th Nov 2020
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Yes " don't be selfish ", but don't give to the spivs in Africa who are laughing at the cash cow that is available to them via the UK. Rather give to many of the worthwhile charities in the UK who will take in the homeless for Christmas and give them a hot meal.
Just one of many , but put some money in the collection box of the Salvation Army amongst others, and not squander taxpayers money towards buying 200 pairs of ladies shoes for a certain dictator.
Terrytop
29th Jan 2021
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Rayot
29th Nov 2020
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Don`t be selfish. We can afford to give to others.
TerryH57
29th Nov 2020
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In my opinion a great deal of problems, and let's take Africa and the many countries that it includes, is that they often have quite a number of babies per female and their partner(s).
The net African goverment income just can't support the ever growing population and their, we know, dire needs for at least basic education, health, food, and housing conditions.
We in the West are in a way encouraging them to continue having so many babies that the family and goverment simply cannot afford.
Charitable money might be better spent on family planning education and more widely available contrception.
Only then would the African countries begin to self support themselves; and they may then be able to prosper more like the west with so much less drain on their economy.
Nothing in the above is a racist comment, simply an economic observation.
Pleas agree or disagree as you wish.
jeanmark
2nd Dec 2020
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TerryH57, I appreciate where you are coming from but there is education regarding family planning and conception in many regions, However, it shouldn't be assumed that all women have control over their bodies and can thus reduce pregnancies. It takes two to help reduce pregnancies how ever well educated you are about the subject...
Justsaying
4th Dec 2020
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Poverty is the reason why families have many children. Eradicate poverty and educate women, and not just about contraception, then the birthrate will fall. Poverty and ignorance are amongst greatest ills in this world.
Terrytop
29th Jan 2021
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I was talking about all the stuff you see on t.v. where one seemingly monoganist family have herds of children, and that seems the norm, BUT they are knocking out all these kids that the country cannot afford to feed, give health services and education to etc, and they EXPECT as is history that we are funding that culture.
jeanmark
30th Jan 2021
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Terrytop, but many of these women have no choice but to obey their husbands, many of whom will not use any form of contraception. Added to that the child mortality, large families used to be the norm in this country to. I do understand where you are coming from but education alone isn't always the answer. There are many families in this country that never attempt to work and continue to produce children knowing our social state will support them. You appear to imply women should not allow intercourse to help prevent pregnancies with no insight as to whether they have any control. In general, these people are extremely poor with no real means of entertainment, they also have no control over a corrupt government.. Why should they be "punished", in particular, why does it appear that the woman is always blamed for having too many children, however subtly. It isn't just about culture, very few women want to be pregnant most of their productive years, but many men expect to be obeyed.

We will probably never agree on this subject as we are coming from different directions.
Terrytop
30th Jan 2021
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I agree with you, thanks for that.
Marksy47
29th Nov 2020
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If developing countries can afford to have a space program they should spend it on feeding their inhabitants. In this our hour off need we should be looking after our own tax paying residents , so much unemployment pending.
Casualgrey
29th Nov 2020
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Well we have a lot living on the street including our brave servicemen. We have people requiring food banks,we have people that can only afford second hand clothes. There supposed to be a need to feed children because their parent say they cant afford it and we have fat people who could do with losing a few pounds or stones, some of them parents that want all available food banks and children's dinners
We have poor people who smoke ,often taylor made fags and some that seem to find money for a generous display of tattoos and nail manicures and some may like illegal drugs Other may be stitched in to high mobile and tv contracts
I think we should take care of our veteran service men first then educate all the others to be self disciplined in money management , housekeeping ,cookery,learning how to use a sewing machine to make and repair clothes , personal health etc etc
I am advocating that as we have become a needy country we use all foreign aid to educate and help those that genuinely require it here at home that want to be helped and educated.
Its no good dealing out money across the world when we need issues in this country fixed .
when it is fixed and I mean really fixed then is the time if we can afford it to splash the cash
When we took over Hong Kong way way back the british governing body gave away very little if anything ,and this encouraged the inhabitants to stand on their own two feet hence when we handed the country over to China after 100 years of british rule Hong Kong was a wealthy country
I guess I have stood on a few corns with my statement ,but please think about it .With this cache of money we can start year by years to improve the UK's social problems
TerryH57
29th Nov 2020
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When you stated:
"When we took over Hong Kong way way back the british governing body gave away very little if anything ,and this encouraged the inhabitants to stand on their own two feet hence when we handed the country over to China after 100 years of british rule Hong Kong was a wealthy country".
I absolutely 100% agree, and that is what I was trying to get across in my post of a few minutes ag.
Terrytop
29th Jan 2021
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Well said:
'this encouraged the inhabitants to stand on their own two feet'.
Absolutely right!
Casualgrey
30th Jan 2021
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Thanks Terry Thanks for the comment, we have to learn from history.



On a positive note the MP Sue Truss has over 60 trade agreement and several big ones in the pipe line.= very shortly ie Aussie, new Zealand, and the south Atlantic group of several nations as well as USA Canada and so on
viking
28th Nov 2020
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Thanks Lionel for your insight into the situation that was in the Vale of York, luckily I did not have to witness such poverty in this country.
It seems that most of the contributors to this thread that in favour of pouring aid every year into [ poor !!??] countries do not realise [or want to know ] that the aid given by the UK is mostly in monitory terms and not in hard machinery as was Lease/Lend during the last war.
Memories are sometimes perhaps short lived, so why are we still supporting the Indian Navy, why are special medical supplies being hijacked and then sold on the black market by African countries etc., etc. [ Manufacturing codes have been traced back]
Corruption by the recipient seems to be the order of the day.
Unless the system is tightened up, the racketeers will just get richer on money that the UK badly needs right now.
Lionel
28th Nov 2020
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Viking, the situation in the North 30-40 years ago was far worse than ever made public. One instance: so very many coal, steel and shipbuilding jobs came with tied housing. Lose your job and vacate your home. In the normal course of events Councils are mandated to find alternative accommodation but with such a massive surge in demand they couldn't cope.

Over several months, we offered lodgings to heavy industry workers heading south for work in our two up and two down. It was a North Yorkshire hamlet and almost everyone helped us out with food or money so these men had a bed and a good meal to travel on. I'm not boasting. Just stating a fact.

In those days the State couldn't help those wretches but they could give huge amounts in foreign aid and voted themselves a pay rise. I could go on about inequalities but best not to.

As far as foreign aid is concerned I'm all in favour, providing it is affordable, doesn't become an industry. There must be very tight regulation and scrutiny through the process. Nothing else is acceptable.
TerryH57
29th Nov 2020
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Well said!!!
We in the West are in a way encouraging Africa and India etc by continuing to turn a blind eye to them having so many babies per female and their partner(s) that the family and goverment simply cannot afford.
Charitable money might be better spent on family planning education and more widely available contraception.
Only then would these needy countries begin to self support themselves; and they may then be able to prosper more like the west with so much less drain on their economy.
One baby per couple in China, the same for the third world countries would do wonders for their economies.
Rogerws
27th Nov 2020
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A reduction now until we recover then back to previous level. Even with the reduction we still are in the top three givers.
Wilf
26th Nov 2020
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I think Rishi has a difficult job. Think of the UK as a family that's going through tough times. It's not possible to spend the same amounts of normal. We are in that position and I suspect most Brits are. So our budget needs to be spread a bit thinner all around. Money-alas!-does not grow on trees.
Lionel
27th Nov 2020
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I agree Wilf. It would be good for the British people if a re-alignment in national priorities was forced upon the country. Post Covid I can't see the nation being able to rely on finance and the service sector to provide sufficient export income. We have a national debt of post war proportions but without the reserves or GDP to even service it without widespread hardship.

We have an enormously rich pool of expertise in so many fields (aerospace, for example) that absolutely must be developed and the products exported.

We must become a manufacturing nation once again, a maritime nation as Churchill called us. Import only those people who will significantly contribute something the Brits can't do for themselves.

A headline the other day ...'Trade not Aid.' During three Post War decades we traded with the Commonwealth rather than sent aid. That condition is of greater benefit to all parties, surely.

The good times are gone. Like it or not, and most won't like it, the nation is being forced back on its wits by circumstance. That will turn out to be a good thing in the long run. Our dependence on ever updated imported consumer goods must diminish; dependence on welfare payments etc., will sooner or later be cut. The Brits are going to have to stand on their own feet, it's the only way.

As I write it's just been announced unions at Heathrow plan a series of pre-Christmas strikes. How helpful is that?
JE
27th Nov 2020
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I agree Wilf. It’s all about ‘cutting our cloth’ and hard decisions have to be made.
Wilf
27th Nov 2020
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I am not sure what Rishi can do JE-some cuts have to be made somewhere, This is the worst economic situation ever and I think Rishi is the only cabinet member with brain cells who knows what he is doing and answers questions! I would get him to be PM in a blink of an eye.
JE
27th Nov 2020
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Yes Wilf, it’s a really tough time and more people are struggling to get by in this country and across the world. Rishi is between a rock and a hard place and whatever decision he makes will be criticised by some quarters. As for the foreign aid cut, it was stated that it is a temporary measure that will be reinstated when this country’s economy stabilises. As I understand it, this country has also ordered some COVID vaccines for poorer countries, so it’s not as if we are turning our back on them. For those who are disgruntled with this decision, there is always the option of them making personal donations to the various overseas charities.
He does seem to have his head screwed on and definitely one of the few cabinet ministers that I feel confident with his judgement.
Wilf
27th Nov 2020
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I agree JE. In fact in my opinion he is the only cabinet member who has a brain is effective and answers questions. Hancock and Borris just drone on and on. Priti Patel has been proven to be a bully and should have resigned. As for the rest who are they? What a joke for the UK that they are the only team we have.
Wilf
28th Nov 2020
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Why on earth would the unions at Heathrow strike at this time and with empty airports Lionel-They must be lead by Turkeys! I think the UK has had its day with major manufacturing-our cost base is just too high and we do not have the supply chains required to feed the major manufacturers like countries like Germany, Japan and China. Our problem is governments never invest properly and dither. look at Cross Rail, Heathrows 5th Terminal and HS2. The Chinese would have built all 3 20 years ago and it would have taken them under 5 years to do each!
Lionel
28th Nov 2020
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Wilf, I'm not talking about heavy industry. We did that now other countries o it better and cheaper. No, I'm talking about high-tec, space, aero-space, quantum, deep sea mining. I'm talking about our agriculture once again leading the world. I'm talking about showing other countries what they need in the future and then developing it, selling it on a world scale.

In January we'll be free of the dead hand of EU regulations. We may again subsidise promising start-ups, fund development in appropriate fields, develop new markets where no one knew they existed. Utilising near space for mankind's eventual good will be the result of massive advances in technology. We need to be at the forefront of that.

John Kennedy made his now famous speech about going to the moon in 1961. That gave NASA nine years to do the job. Against all odds NASA mobilised every necessary industry, tech firm, university and put them on the payroll. We developed fuel cell technology in Cambridge. A chap called Bacon perfected it and we sold it world wide. We designed and built much of the intricate telemetry for the space programme. Our computer engineers worked with IBM to develop the necessary computing power. I could go on. NASA did it! But not without the Brits.

Wilf, we're an unusual people. We've harnessed three quarters of the globe for our own needs; Against all odds we've won two world wars by our courage and ingenuity, our inventiveness and resourcefulness.

6 million Jewish people, mainly refugees and immigrants lead the world in quantum, nano-tech, computing technology and much more. And that with 100 million hostile Islamic nations around them.How much more could we Brits, an island people, take the lead in anything we chose and supply the world. Even the mighty Apple company is set for a fall. We should be there to fill the void.

Forget the global village, the one world power brokers, their time is passed. In this brave new world it's going to be every nation for itself. We need to get a head start.

Come on Wilf, where's your lion's heart? Where's your faith in us Brits? Just leave the obstacles behind and tell our politicians - Just Do It! Tell our industrialists, come on, wake up, this is a whole new world now, it's ours to sell to. Get on with it, man.
Wilf
29th Nov 2020
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Interestingly Lionel I think nowdays its more down to entrepreneurs rather than countries. Why is it the UK has no Apple, Netflix, Amazon, Alibaba etc etc. We are a country of inventors galore but the government rarely gets behind great ideas. Of course there have been exceptions-Ultra and the Spitfire to name two. I do not think we need to shed membership of the EU to galvinise our entrepreneurship. It should be there constantly and is driven by peoples passion and the desire to create wealth-capitalism at its finest!
Lionel
26th Nov 2020
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Foreign Aid, in principal, is an absolute must for wealthy nations such as Great Britain. But ... I have grave reservations about the way this business is carried on.

Foreign Aid has become an industry, worse a government department complete with its own cabinet minister, civil servants, legal experts etc., at a cost of billions. It's also become an entire industry much as 'Charity' has. Big Business, big salaries and big profits for the few. But questionable level of benefit for recipients.

Why do we support a five member girl band in Aden? How is that feeding or watering people? Supporting an Indian space programme, allowing African dictators to extort money from our so called Aid Programme? I'm sure there's so much more corruption in the Aid industry but it's just now published.

Perhaps a publish detailed annual account, a cost benefit analysis, of aid contributions and the costs involved in distributing those contributions would be very revealing, not to mention disappointing. Why can't we demand an accounting from every charity soliciting and spending donations and tax-payers money. That at least would give us a break from the wall to wall coverage of Covid in the press and on TV.

As far as the present cut in the Foreign Aid budget is concerned I believe Sunak is quite right. Based on what little we know about how Aid money is spent I suggest few end-user recipients would be affected! Therefore our consciences shouldn't be disturbed.
TerryH57
29th Nov 2020
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One bad problem is that often charities who send forign aid does not get through to the needy in countries in confilct and war because the baddies confiscate it en-route and feed their soldiers with their selfish ill gotten gains.
TerryH57
29th Nov 2020
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A BIG and very sad problem is that many charities are now fincially bloated with management taking a big wedge of their incomes.
It has been said that when charity shops sell stuff only 16p in the £ actually gets to the chity fund for their use.
Take away the management costs etc. etc. and we givers are flogging a dead horse.
Dani
26th Nov 2020
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No. I’m deeply ashamed of being a citizen of a wealthy country that doesn’t deem it a duty to support the poor of the international community.
Poverty here is appalling and a disgrace, but caused by unjust distribution of wealth and an acceptance that we are stuck in the status quo with regard to supporting those in need. I’m in favour, although I am not at all rich, of increasing taxes to fulfil our commitment to overseas aid and increase our help to those people at home who are struggling. What I don’t want is to see more cash wasted on unnecessary schemes like HS 2, expensive consultants and spin doctors whose sole purpose seems to be to confuse the public, and weapons.
We are a rich nation...we just spend it wrongly.
TerryH57
29th Nov 2020
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One contributer wrote:
"When we took over Hong Kong way way back the british governing body gave away very little if anything ,and this encouraged the inhabitants to stand on their own two feet hence when we handed the country over to China after 100 years of british rule Hong Kong was a wealthy country".
Think about that, and if these countries tried to keep their birth rate down from many babies per female then they may be able to start standing on their own two feet.
At present the African countries do not generate the net national government income to support this sharp rise in their population.
Charitable monies would be better spent on education in contraceptives, and the widespread availability of same.
Billythequiche
29th Nov 2020
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Sorry, I cannot agree with you (but I support your right to say it).
I would just ask the following questions:
Do you support the suppression of freedom of speech?
Do you support giving pensions to ex-terrorists?
Do you support manufacturing weapons of mass destructions?
Do you support funding space projects rather than health and hygiene?
Do you support ethnic cleansing?
Do you support funding a girl band?
Do you support corruption in the distribution of funds?
I suspect that you do not, I suspect that you recoil at the suggestion and I in no way imply that you are aware of these things. The are not conspiracy theories. These are where some of our generous aid goes.
I will not argue the politics of whether we are a "wealthy" nation here but we obviously disagree.
You are patently a good, caring person, but I fear naive.
Terrytop
29th Jan 2021
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Do you support the suppression of freedom of speech? YES
Do you support giving pensions to ex-terrorists?NO
Do you support manufacturing weapons of mass destructions?NO
Do you support funding space projects rather than health and hygiene?NO
Do you support ethnic cleansing?NO
Do you support funding a girl band?NO
Do you support corruption in the distribution of funds?NO

There are too many cons in the 'giving game'.
Billythequiche
30th Jan 2021
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Hello Terrytop. Thanks for the reply. I am surprised that you support the suppression of freedom of speech. I know that modern extremists of all flavours push this freedom to the limit and "truth" can be manipulated but I fear the alternative. I would welcome your views on this.
Terrytop
30th Jan 2021
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Ooops, I made a mistake, I read the question wroung:

I DO support freedom of speech, of course.

BUT NOT from raving radical extremist mainiacs who have a big following when they say things like:

'And the Christian blood will flow down the streets and into the drains', as per 'hook' was preaching (and I think it was in London around 10 years ago?) , AND WITH OUR POLICE SHUTTING OFF THE ROAD for them!

Disgusting...
Terrytop
30th Jan 2021
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Ooops, I made a mistake, I read the question wroung:

I DO support freedom of speech, of course.

See my full reply on this...
Billythequiche
31st Jan 2021
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I am really glad that it is not just me that has "senior moments".
I salute you sir for your views and your honesty.
It is a particular fear of mine that we will lose our freedoms in a sea of political correctness.
Stay safe, just had my first jab.
Billythequiche
26th Nov 2020
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The amount of foreign aid given cannot be justified in the current position at home.
It can never be justified as shady incentives to representatives of states like china.
It can never be justified for places like India that have nuclear weapons and a space programme.
It can never be justified as bonuses for terrorists in parts of the world.
The inference that it affects our standing in the world is arrant nonsense, and it feels more like an extension of, at best, virtue signalling; and at worst, bribes. I remain suspicious of the way the aid is administered and those who benefit from this.
I am amused that an "ennobled" minister thinks she is important enough to have an effect on government policy. The sheer audacity and hypocrisy of someone in an exalted financial position, preaching about public money to those who have contributed painfully to it, is breathtaking.
TerryH57
29th Nov 2020
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Ref China.
No more than ONE baby per couple.
That would be GREAT for Africa!!!
Then they might be able to support themselves and not need charity from the west.
TerryH57
29th Nov 2020
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Well said!!!
Nukes but too little food, water, education and health resources.
Quite disgusting...
And we should support such countries, REALLY???
Wilf
12th Dec 2020
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But to be fair thats only a few countries
Terrytop
30th Jan 2021
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VERY VERY GOOD points of view!
Bald123
26th Nov 2020
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Rishi should not have cut the aid. It could affect our standing in the world just as we are leaving the EU. We need all the friends we can get.
Munsterlander
26th Nov 2020
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We should keep the foreign aid payments going to the world's poorest. It's what makes us Brits. Imagine if we were really poor and living under a government that didn't care one jot for our lives but another country was providing medicine and food. We would be so thankful.
Lionel
26th Nov 2020
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'Imagine if we were really poor and living under a government that didn't care one jot for our lives but another country was providing medicine and food. We would be so thankful.'

If our financial position gets any worse, Munsterlander, you would be describing Britain.
Munsterlander
26th Nov 2020
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Very true Lionel-it is getting that way with the unemployment here.
Lionel
26th Nov 2020
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I don't now where you are, Munsterlander but I worked in the Vale of York on farms for a good few years. So well do I remember the shipyards being closed (Swan Hunter) steel works closing and then of course the mines. So many fit, healthy men calling on farms looking for work, any work.

One farm was close by the A1. It was then a dual carriageway and the scores of men hitching south for work to feed their families. I'd give them a lift if I was going down the road - you'd me surprised just how many people you can cram into a tractor cab on a wet day - all illegal of course!

Even farms were buying even heavier machinery (tax dodge) and laying off men. The whole of the north was a dreadful place to be then, I never want to see or hear of that again, but I fear it's knocking on the door even as I write.
Terrytop
1st Jan 2021
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REF:
'Imagine if we were really poor and living under a government that didn't care one jot for our lives but another country was providing medicine and food. We would be so thankful.'

And so you should be, BUT if in your country couples were haveing 7 8 9 12 kids, you would only have yourself to blame if you could not afford them.

As I said before:
Ref China.
No more than ONE baby per couple.
That would be GREAT for Africa!!!
Then they may well seriously prosper and might be able to support themselves and not need charity from the west.

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