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Should MPs have more than one job?

The Parliamentary Standards Committee is preparing to meet to discuss George Osborne’s new job as Editor of the London Evening Standard as he faces a growing public backlash, with a petition reaching 150,000 demanding he choose between being a backbench MP or working in a newsroom. The petition will be handed in later today at his constituency office in Tatton, Cheshire, which is 190 miles from the capital.

MPs are currently paid a basic salary of £74,962 but many MPs also have second or third part time jobs as well. In the last week, it has been widely reported that George Osborne, the former Chancellor of the Exchequer, besides making money through public speaking and being a consultant of Blackrock Investments, is also becoming The Editor of the Evening Standard in London.

There has been an outcry from some MPs who say that with so many other interests Osborne cannot do the job of an MP effectively and the former Tory leader Iain Duncan Smith apparently has privately compared Osborne to Gordon Gekko, the character in the film Wall Street who says: “Greed is good.”

There is now a debate going on about MPs having other jobs and Lord Bew who is the Chair of the Committee on Standards in Public Life has said: “We have not ruled out MPs having second jobs, quite deliberately, up until now, but we now have to look again at our rules. We are going to discuss whether our rules on second jobs need to be changed in light of this. We had something that up to a degree worked. It now seems to be getting into rockier waters.”

What’s your view on this? Should MP’s be utterly dedicated to their ministerial role? Or should they have other jobs giving them more experience of life outside Westminster?  Is £74,962 enough to pay our MPs of should we be paying them more?

Should MPs have more than one job?

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janetcarrington
10th Aug 2017
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Why not, providing nothing is neglected. Good people can juggle several balls in the air at the same time and so are more than capable of having two jobs. We want the best running the country who have other experience. They also need a good salary. Why do people seem jealous of the salaries of others.
Billythequiche
28th Jun 2017
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Being an MP should be their ultimate focus. The only acceptable exception would be part time charity work.
SteveP6
29th May 2017
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As an elected member of Parliament they should concentrate on doing the job they are handsomely paid for as a representative of the electorate that put them there. To many have other interests that take priority over the job the public pay them for.
MorrisandDoris
23rd Apr 2017
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More to the point is that basically politicians are not capable to run a country in its entirety, they're not fit to run the prison service the judiciary, border control and police, this should be handled by the military who have the strength to deal with it without party politics getting in the way, most MPs are too weak to handle this part of government they come from the wrong side life !!!
scandiman
6th Apr 2017
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Once, an MP was a person, always male, who had a private income. That meant that only those of a certain class could be an MP. When this changed and anyone (rightly in my view) could become an MP, the position had to be paid. It then became not a matter of public service, but a career choice. It is difficult to assess how much they should be paid, because it is difficult to compare it to anything else. However, £72k a year should be enough. They argue that their position is tenuous; they could lose their seat and thereby, their job. This applies to everyone who is employed.
It should be emphasised that this is a public service. It must come before everything else. Clashes of interest, no matter how slight or tenuous, must be declared. The position of public representative is not an opportunity to line one's pockets.
Lionel
9th Apr 2017
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Lionel
4th Apr 2017
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It seems to me there's a misapprehension among the current crop of M.Ps. They seem to think election to that office is an entitlement to make as much money as they may, often at the public expense or detriment.

Not so! They offered themselves for election as public servants - in place to serve the common good. With their salary, expenses, free foreign travel, duty free drinking and cheap meals they are unlikely to be out of pocket. And that's the bits we know about.

To then seek another job, or preferrment in other ways, compromises their position as an M.P. Their public service then becomes a money making exercise.

With the current shambles of M.Ps I wonder how many are really up to, and available for, two years of Brexit negotiations and the resultings parliamentary debates?

They should be up to it. We pay them to be so!
DavidS37
3rd Apr 2017
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I think that they should just concentrate on the fact that they were elected to represent their constituents and that should be there full time and only occupation
True they can write the occasional article expounding their views on a current topic or artistic or sports event but nothing more
Jintycat
27th Mar 2017
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There could possible be a conflict of interest if MP's have jobs outwith Parliament, particularly if these jobs involve elements of lobbying for their work.
Frances5670
27th Mar 2017
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Definitely not ! One cannot be in two places at the same time.
Sherrybee
26th Mar 2017
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When acting as an MP one job only, but please vote for people who do have some experience of the working life not just career politicians who live on a different planet!
MarieB4
26th Mar 2017
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As long as it doesn't affect their main job ,many of us have 2nd jobs why not MPs
Poppy22
25th Mar 2017
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A resounding NO. And if they aren't working full time as an MP (and with that salary, and all the expenses, I'd expect them to be working a minimum of 50 hours a week, ideally more), then their MP pay should be cut to reflect the percentage time they are working as an MP.
nelliebear
25th Mar 2017
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I must admit I get the impression that with a lot of MPs their parliamentary job is their second job !
micksue52
24th Mar 2017
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They are elected to do the job for their constituents and not to see how far they can line their pockets or be away from the house of commons at another job and this is not serving the very people who put them their to be an MP.
Lionel
24th Mar 2017
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Well said micksue, and so right.
grannyhubbard
24th Mar 2017
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They are very greedy people. How can you have 6 jobs, and do justice to your constituents?
You can't
ConnieShack
24th Mar 2017
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I personally think that being an MP is a very important role and dedication is a major part of this job. Having more than one job would not give you the time required to do the job efficiently. Also how can you prioritise when you have more than one job. They are working for people who have voted for them and if that isn't enough why put up for the job in the first place.
old adage
24th Mar 2017
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Money grabbers,they should try and do a good job of their main job.
beentheredoneit63
24th Mar 2017
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Hi. I would love to have the opportunity to earn an mp's salary, I have never got near to it! I have been self employed for the past 4 years installing bathrooms and only just cover outgoings. I don't see why they need more than 1 job, all it does it stops someone else getting a job.
Carol27
24th Mar 2017
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I am not surprised that you just cover outgoings, if you have time on a Friday morning to be sitting on a computer and moaning.
Wilf
31st Mar 2017
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Thats a bit rich isn't it. beentheredoneit63 is just expressing their opinion!
Wilf
31st Mar 2017
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Totally agree with you I and my brothers have always been self employed with our own little businesses and its a struggle to make ends meet. the only good points is your times your own and we enjoy what we do!
Activeann
24th Mar 2017
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MPs should receive enough remuneration to enable them to do the job properly.
barbaratoms
24th Mar 2017
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They should be fully involved in one job
Soozie63
24th Mar 2017
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They get paid more than enough with the one job!
Christine59
24th Mar 2017
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I would prefer Elected MPs to concentrate on what we have elected them for. To work for us in the governing of the country.
Having more jobs dilutes the concentration, and btw, I'd LOVE to have had a salary at that level.
Blackdan
24th Mar 2017
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They are supposed to represent you, how can they do that if they have more than one job, if it’s not a full time job then they shouldn’t be paid so much.
scandiman
23rd Mar 2017
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They are more than adequately paid, but if they want more income, the second job must not impede their work as an MP.
After what happened in Westminster yesterday, I'm finding it hard to have any respect for politicians. Their policies of allowing unrestricted immigration, of permitting people who have trained as jihadis to return to U.K and interference in other countries' affairs has created serious problems. While they cower behind their security doors and armed police, Joe Public and his wife bear the brunt of these attacks. If this continues, as it will, the police must be armed as a matter of routine.
Lionel
23rd Mar 2017
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I can only agree with all you say. Yet it remains grievous to me our Police must be armed. It is now of necessity I know, and to decline arming the Police would be to further put their lives at risk. God knows, these people, who do what I could not, are in too much danger already. They are too few in number and therefore we ask too much of each one. Our Police Forces are a national treasure.

Our politicians are our national shame. I'll say again on SS, there needs to be a cleansing of the Commons and Lords. Sack all of them, as well of the top third of the Civil Service. Have each one re-apply for his or her post and if found wanting in the previous tenure then goodbye. During the last forty five years at least they have utterly deceived the British people in so many ways, the while enriching themselves.

They allowed the flooding of this Septred Isle with migrants of many types - it's now more like a septic Isle in places! Some migration is good for the nation but so many over a short period of time is not.

They have driven the nation into the dictats of Globalists and none of it for our benefit.

I'll stop there.

About three years ago we were granted an interview with our local MP. He had allotted ten minutes. As he got up to see us out I pointed out, we haven't finished yet. Sit down. Please do remember you're a public servant! For the next two hours we discussed rural deprivation and decline, the Common Agricultural Policy, pensions and a whole lot more.

He hasn't answered letters or emails from us since.

Have a second job? No. Try doing your primary job to a high standard first. I think that will take all your time, time we're paying for!
Roof Top Crow
24th Mar 2017
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In response to your first paragraph. A number of contributors, including you, have said that they want all policeman to be armed. Earlier this year the 32,000 Police officers who serve London were asked if they wanted to be armed, 78% said no. The Police are far better equipped to answer this question than any of us.

In response to paragraph three. Separatism through colour, race and religion is the cause of most of the problems in Europe and the rest of the world. The primary religious faiths in the world are Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Sikhism and Judaism. The leaders of these faiths must make a much greater effort to integrate their faith with the rest of society. In the UK the lead should be taken by the Christian faith.

We should be encouraging integration, not separatism.
Lionel
24th Mar 2017
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The sense of my first paragraph, RoofTop, is that I don't want our Police armed, but if now deemed a necessity, then they will be armed. Yet that event will be grievous to me.

In respect of your comment on my paragraph three you really couldn't be more wrong. So many immigrant goups do not wish to integrate with the more native dwellers on these Isles. Islamists show little or no sign of integration: indeed, Islam means submission, every other race and creed in submission to Islam. We have a Sikh shop keeping family in a nearby market town. They do not show signs of integrating, no, they keep themselves to themselves.

If you knew anything of religious history you would know it is not the cause of wars and problems in the world. It is the corruption of religious beliefs and practices for personal gain that causes problems. The Crusades did not arise out of Christianity, but a deviant form of Christianity which is no Christianity. Similarly, the Evangelical Christianity the Brits spread across the British Empire is a less than accurate representation of Biblical Christianity. I could go on but I fear you prefer statistics.

As far as religious integration is concerned, it is the very distinctiveness of world religions which forbids such tight integration you would seemingly like to see. Would that integration be for business purposes, I wonder? In telling me, a Jewish Christian man, about religious tolerance and integration is a mistake. I know, through personal experience, so much more about that than you do.

Let it be said fully and finally, I am not either racially or religiously prejudiced. Nor do I hate or despise anyone at all; it's not in the Jewish Creed nor the Christian Creed, both of which integrate and I follow closely. I respect and continue contact with people of other races and religions.

But I do not understand why so many migrant peoples should be permitted full residency, and then passports etc., to then remain on these islands, or indeed in any European country. They have their own lands which the West is giving much to develop - India is a success story, don't you think? Most, but not all, of our migrant populations belong in their own countries. Their countries need their skills, their expertise.

I say again, I am not against immigration to Great Britain, but I am against mass immigration which has so changed our society as to be unrecognisable to us.

So let's have no more of this liberal left luvvie nonsense, RoofTop, it's all founded in a dream but not in fact.

Oh, and by the way, cold stats do not answer a human reality. My near neighbour is a thirty year copper, much of which was in cities. He is ferociously against the Police being armed, but admits, the time is almost upon us when city cops will, of necessity, be armed.
Roof Top Crow
27th Mar 2017
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There is always a minority group being blamed for the ills and misfortune of UK society. I can find no record of it ever being the fault of the white, indigenous population that makes up 85% of our society.

Pre the 2nd Word War the Jews were to blame. Post-war It was immigrants from the West Indies and then it Kenyan-Asians were to blame. Both of these groups were easy to identify by skin colour and different clothes. These black and brown people are now fully integrated into UK society.

Recently it is people from North Africa who are to blame. They arrive here from war torn countries with nothing but the clothes they stand up in. I have no doubt that within a generation or two they will also be as integrated as previous arrivals.

Statistics and data. What I know about society is based on my own experience and personal values and that applies to you as much as it does to me. It is a major and significant shortcoming we share.

To overcome this shortcoming I listen, read, watch and absorb as much external information as I can. Some can be dismissed as total rubbish, some can be easily judged as not credible and some, such as the writing of David Irving, is offensive.

But there are a lot of facts and data available to everyone. Taking the time to read what is on paper or on screen gives me a very much broader understanding of how society works.
manofpeace
21st Mar 2017
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MP's should have had prior experience of actually working for a living prior to being nominated to be one's representative in government. Once elected they should do the job for which they were elected, to the best of their ability. However from what I see sand read they tend to be lacking in ability.,,,,common sense or
care. All they care about is their inflated wage at the end of every month. Some even get paid for NOT attending meetings!
Wilf
21st Mar 2017
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I agree. Its as if when they go to Parliament many loose all sense of morality and decency. Loads to choose from. They seem to become aloof...what they do not realise is WE elected them and they should report to US!...not vv!
Lionel
23rd Mar 2017
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gr8nutcase
21st Mar 2017
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Its impossible for him to do all these jobs and look after his constituants, Perhaps one extra part time job but its got to the ridiculous stage with George Osborne. I am sure there are other MP's doing the same mine is useless we never hear anything about him!
Yodama
20th Mar 2017
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A no to that! the old saying 'you can't ride two horses at once' comes to mind.
A newspaper editor is a 24/7 job, attending to matters in the house of commons is a full time job ( if you discount the nap time and long lunches ). George Osborne is not a poor man, he should decide now before the brown stuff hits the fan to take one or the other option.
He looks a bit like Napoleon, and acts a bit like Napoleon.
Greedy!
Lionel
23rd Mar 2017
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A little taller than Bonaparte, isn't he?
Yodama
23rd Mar 2017
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It's that hand resting inside his jacket Lionel, holding firmly on to his wallet and the fringe that reminds me of the Emperor. Perhaps he is saving for a vacation property in Elba? Maybe we should all chip in and send Blair there as well.
Lionel
23rd Mar 2017
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My formr dentist once sent me a Christmas car explicity revealing Napoleon ws not holding his wallet, but something else as big as his ego. That's when medics were not PC!

Oh, yes, Elba. The nearest functioning gallows?
JanetB4
20th Mar 2017
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If they spent more time doing the job they were elected to do then perhaps the country would be in a better state.
Wilf
20th Mar 2017
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I totally agree with you and when a few years ago we found many of them were scamming the system by using cash for building duck houses in their moats I thought this nonsense was going to stop. i think its down to pure greed, elitism and quite honestly total and utter foolishness. have these people not got any commonsense? Do they not see what the man in the street is saying and thinking. I think most MPs must be far removed from reality I cannot see any other reason behind this.
Lionel
23rd Mar 2017
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Roof Top Crow
20th Mar 2017
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We already elect our MP to do two things. Act on behalf of the constituency he or she represents and act in the best interests of the whole country in Parliament.

With Article 50 set to be triggered next week our elected MP’s will spend the next two years or more examining and working together on the 15 new bills that will have to pass through Parliament over the next few years. There will very little time to consider local or constituency matters.

With the next two years in mind, George Osborne will have to make a decision. Politics as an MP or Politics as a journalist.
Wilf
20th Mar 2017
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Yes I totally agree he needs to make a decision MP or Commercial NOT both!
Lionel
20th Mar 2017
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Well, RoofTop, you will be pleased to know I don't quite agree with you.

You relate the theory, our M.P.'s represent their constituencies and they also represent their parties. May I add their votes in the Commons are also affected by lobbyists, big business and of course that infamous lot with rolled up trousers and fancy hand shakes. Please don't refute my case, it is the voice of experience.

Thus, our M.P's are not our representatives. No, they, for the most part, represent vested interests.

But you are quite correct in saying our M.P's will have their hands full in the next few years. No time for outside interests. In this time our politics will polarise yet more, remainers will become more vocal, of course, speaking for their paymasters, Others, currently in the leave camp will change places as the inducements grow.

That's life! I said at the end of our marathon debate about Brexit, which left me with the highest possible regard for you, I didn't fear the referendum but I did fear the peace to follow.

So far, nothing has proved me wrong.
Roof Top Crow
21st Mar 2017
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Lionel, I know I am slightly “off theme” but I feel you are a little out of touch with what is actually happening in the UK post-Referendum and pre Brexit.

The UK is a member of the EU and will be for the next 2 years. Whilst in membership we enjoy the benefits of trading without tariffs and freedom of movement.

We would not expect to see much change, yet. I say yet because the value of sterling is driving inflation higher. Today it is at 2% and forecast to go up to 2.8%. Inflation is being felt in food and petrol prices.

Locally, many of the local tradespeople who come from Poland and other EU countries have left the UK and gone to work in other EU countries. And it is public knowledge that the crisis in the NHS will worsen as EU originating Nurses and Doctors continue to leave the UK for jobs in other EU countries.

The farming industry says it is facing a massive challenge. Agriculture and farming are dependent upon permanent skilled workers such as vets and herdsmen and just like the tradesman they are leaving the UK.

Farmers who grow fruit and vegetables have already publically stated that they are facing a different kind of crisis. The number of seasonal workers who come from all over the EU for the summer picking season is forecast to drop by over 50% in 2017.

Most people who voted leave wanted one thing. People not born in the UK to return to their country of birth and for the UK to stop being part of the EU freedom of movement policy. It is being achieved without the UK leaving the EU.

Maybe we should pick up this conversation in 12 months’ time.
Wilf
21st Mar 2017
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RoofTop I would make a few comments. The Uk did survive with workers before the EU and I dont think it will collapse when we leave. When we leave the EU many products which have EU tariffs on them now like New Zealand wine with 35% or USA beef with 70% will be so much cheaper and market forces will come into play. NZ wine producers will want to sell much more wine...French wine will become more expensive...they will need to sell wine and champagne and so will have to cut their prices to survive and will put pressure on the French Government to play ball with the UK. Its all about market forces in the end. By the way I voted to stay in!
Lionel
21st Mar 2017
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RoofTop, you're not only 'off theme,' but out of your depth here. You're an urbanite, a re-interpretation of your own words elsewhere on SS. Do tell me, please, how do your cold statistics from a press reading urbanite relate to those of us who live in deeply rural farming areas. Perhaps I'll tell you. Thy don't!

The crisis fruit and veg growing farmers are facing was manufactured in Westminster by do-gooder liberal bleeding hearts. Child employment protection laws. They limit, no, in practice annhiliate, any chance a youngster has of working. As a result we have the 'snowflake' generation.

A generation or two ago, when we were both young, working before leaving school was possible. I did on farms and as a chorister. Indeed, the six week summer holiday was put in place so youngsters could help with the harvest.

RoofTop, there's no better way to teach youngsters the value of work related rewards than get them working young. Just scrap these liberal luvvie legislation and we won't need migrant agricultural workers.

Tonight, I have a step grandson who, by his own engineering, will be 25 years old before he needs to even consider what he will do with his life. He has no concept of work and reward, no everything has been given him by his father.

RoofTop, at some point in your young life you shifted your butt, broke the mold, and made something of yourself and your lady wife. I do admire you for that. But tell me, where does this young generation, cossette in law, find that same impetus. That drive to work for reward; that impetus which will power their lives?

So the answer to your post is so simple. Repeal these so silly child protection laws and let's get on with Brexit! No need for mkigrant labour then.
Lionel
21st Mar 2017
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So well said Wilf. I'm with you all the way!
Wilf
21st Mar 2017
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Lionel agree todays generation are far too soft...maybe national service for 2 years which includes work on farms. I don't agree with putting younger kids to work. At 16 yes and a good days hard work never hurt anyone as my dear dad would say!
Roof Top Crow
22nd Mar 2017
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Like all of us, I watch the TV and read the newspapers. Personally, I read trade journals and follow business performance statistics online. I do not need to be physically working with businesses to understand how they are performing.

This also applies to agriculture which is, of course, a business sector like any other. The information I have from this sector comes from the farmers who produce the product to the outlets who sell the products.

The Westminster departments managing Brexit have been silent regarding the problems I flagged up in my post. It is absolutely not something they want to recognise or have discussed,

I am not a believer in the principle of using child labour to support our economy. The days of low-cost child labour are behind us along with Polio, Rickets and TB.
Lionel
22nd Mar 2017
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RoofTop and Wilf. I must apologise for not making myself clear. Generally youngsters having Saturday jobs or doing a paper round won't harm them.

As far as farm labour is concerned there isn't much of a place for children. But I see no reason why teenagers can pick fruit or vegetables.
Lionel
23rd Mar 2017
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'Most people who voted leave wanted one thing. People not born in the UK to return to their country of birth and for the UK to stop being part of the EU freedom of movement policy.'

That utter rubbish RoofTop! And I'd judged you a rational man.

Yes many people did vote out for that reason, but the stats I saw post referendum show that majority wanted out of the EU and all that entails for us Brits. Yes migration is a factor here, but not necessarily the deciding factor for everyone.

A somewhat rash statement, don't you think? Are you quite out of touch with what went on at the referendum?
Lucky Lady
20th Mar 2017
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I would never vote for anyone who has a second job while serving as a MP. To do such a very important job properly it should be very much a full time job in itself.
Billythequiche
20th Mar 2017
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To do a decent job of MP it should be the only one they do, especially if they do not reside in their own constituency. They should also be held to account for ''local'' issues in preference to party politics our personal gain. My own, probably controversial, view is: anyone who earns in excess of average earnings should be taxed at a higher level.
jane63c
20th Mar 2017
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To properly serve your constituents you should devote yourself to the job of MP. By all means help out with local charities or at the local hospital as a volunteer to keep a handle on the real world.
I don't see how he can do any of his jobs properly, I had enough trouble keeping on top of the workload from my supposedly three day a week lecturing contract in seven days. No doubt a few will have some negative words about that!
Furthermore, the media is supposed to report news in an unbiased way (though we know they don't). This appointment to the Evening Standard does not even pretend to have balance!
Doll
20th Mar 2017
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Jack of all trades, master of none comes to mind
MrsPat
20th Mar 2017
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No No No and NO. All the plebs like my husband have to do one job and they do it well. MPs should be the same. How dare Osborne be so arragont to think the Great British Public will put up with this. From what I can see he will be earning about a million pounds a year. Greed is Good Gordon Gekko said. Well it is for Tory MPs. And Labour are not any better look at tony Blair he is treated as a joke now. Better to keep ones dignity and do the right thing. take note MPs
JohnHerb
20th Mar 2017
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I think its ok as MPs need to keep experience outside of Parliament and not get "cabin fever" in it. they need a dose of the real world. Should they be paid more than £75k-No! its about 3x the average British wage. they need a reality check.
Lucky Lady
20th Mar 2017
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If they need experience outside of Parliament there are hundreds of charities and hospitals who would be delighted to welcome their expertise onto their boards. That most definitely would avoid them getting 'cabin fever' and would give them a dose of the real world.

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