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Should National Service be reintroduced in the UK?

Peace-time national military service was brought in in 1948, and the last men entered service in 1960.

The law applied to all healthy men aged 17-21 who had not registered as conscientious objectors.

Ever since then, there have been calls periodically to reinstate it for many reasons, but primarily to give youngsters aged between 18-20 some discipline and also to provide exercise and a different way of life.

Many people who had to go into National Service now look back on this time nostalgically but tend to forget living in huts with just a simple coal burner in the winter or the discipline and hard exercise.

There are still many countries with mandatory military service, including Switzerland, Austria, Denmark, Cyprus, Israel, and Turkey to name a few.

It’s always an interesting topic to debate.

What do you think? Do you think national service should be introduced back into the UK? Would it help teenagers with find a trade, encourage discipline and comradeship with others or does it belong in bygone eras of the 1940s, 50s and 60s?

Should National Service be reintroduced in the UK?

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MiaD
14th Feb 2018
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Perhaps not every young person (men & women) but definitely everyone who is being off the straight & narrow.
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I think it need bringing back for ALL young men and have them ready and able to protect our country but I don't think they should go out to fight front. Line unless they decide to make it their proffession after the 3 yrs
Andronicus
15th Jun 2017
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I voted yes, but with more than a few reservations; there are regrettably many misconceptions about National Service, principally in regard to the methodology of discipline, which was based on the general characteristics of 18 to 21 year olds of that era. The bullying, obscenity strewn conversations and general stupidity of NCOs portrayed in so called Documentaries of the period outline these misconstrued examples.
The potential National Service recruit of the 21st century would never respond to the discipline and military mind-set of the 50s and 60s, and the experienced instructors of the period needed to administer such control are in their seventies and eighties. A modern profiling of the potential for semi-military or quasi social serving National Service would have to be established, and specialist training given to potential instructors; although personally, I would welcome the opportunity to utilise the aforementioned veterans in that role.
ShelleyM
5th Jun 2017
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National service always seems to be the obvious solution to "sorting" out the problems which the young adults in our society face these days. Lack of discipline cannot be blamed on them. That is the responsibility of their parents/teachers for not teaching the basics in their formative years. There is far to many so called adults that shout about the basic human rights of children i.e, not smacking children, giving children whatever they want, etc etc and yet it's these very same adults that complain about the young adults of today. What we really need to be doing is giving children basic discipline when needed, listening rather than telling. giving young adults hope for their futures.
Rather than making them join the army, why not introduce a three year commitment to do community service. They would still have to wear a uniform and live in "barracks". Having to learn basic life skills as well as learning a trade or gaining professional qualifications for when they have completed their community service.
MiaD
14th Feb 2018
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What a sensible idea. Allow parents to be parents. I'm of the age when I had a good hiding for being rude & stepping out of line. It never did me any harm long term & I've never been in serious trouble as I was too scared of my Dad & Mother!
GaryC96
31st May 2017
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I feel that national service should be reintroduced, but with a twist, I feel that national service should be done via the armed service, but with its focus being humanitarian Aid, IE disaster relief, well digging etc etc.
This would give younger people an insight into others plight, and hopefully give them better grounding in life, instead of be so self movtivated.
DeniseC7
30th May 2017
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My grand children are doing well at school and universitie. One is in the police force why should there educational be interpreted when they are all working so hard and doing so wonderfully.
If people chose to brake the law, cause trouble and violence then it could be an alternative to prison.
panamakid
30th May 2017
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It would bring more discipline to this country.
Gardenplan1
30th May 2017
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Having worked with offenders for most of my working life, I've often thought how a 'modern day'National Service would have helped the majority of the young men and women involved in the criminal justice system.

I feel that some young people don't have the positive role models in their lives, thus allowing the negative influences of others to set in.

Giving a person a sense of purpose, pride, belonging and responsibility, has tendency of developing empathy and consideration for others.

And finally, should National Service ever return, it's focus should be to introduce our young UK residents to the rewarding work within the nations struggling NHS, Social Services and voluntary sectors.
Having our young adults having experience the plight and needs of other, may help take them beyond themselves.
Yodama
30th May 2017
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This is very true Gardenplan1, it is not just about learning to use weapons and kill as some have said, there is so much more to learn.
Agree wholeheartedly.
AlisonM8
30th May 2017
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It would be a lot better than insisting everyone goes to university. People would come out with much better life skills and the ability to work together, take and give instructions, and hopefully the will to take responsibility for themselves rather than relying on others.
Yodama
15th Jun 2017
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Very true AlisonMB, not everyone is cut out for an academic career. My brothers did very well in the forces, they are fine, well adjusted and self reliant family men today.
It is not just about whipping the bad boys into shape.
Ladydesie
29th May 2017
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The worst thing the governments have done is not to reintroduce National Service ,the youths of today are hell bent on causing trouble ,they would get the dissaplin that some don't get at home.
Yodama
30th May 2017
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Awwww Ladydesie, poor youths get a bad rep, I know some lovely youths and youthesses ( my word) who are involved in the community and are fine role models.
I think that if they should be called up, they would continue to be fine role models and encourage the "troubled" youths that you speak of.
duckman
29th May 2017
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Though it would be great for the country. As an ex soldier, ifeel it would not happen. can u imagine a drill sergeant shouting at someone. he would be crying and shouting for his mummy and the next thing there would be tank chasing lawyers wanting compensation. the little snowflakes hav,nt got the apetitite to help their country. also the the gender issue would be a night mare
ConnieC7
29th May 2017
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It would be good to see National Service introduced back into the system in the UK for a similar period of time. It would give that age group a sense of respect for themselves, their peers. their country and the discipline would be good for them. Trade Training an added incentive to learn a skill.
Connie C7
Yodama
29th May 2017
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Heartily agree with you ConnieC7.
ecarg
29th May 2017
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Completely agree backpacker Stop encouraging all young people to go to university and encourage pratical skills to be more valued,,Apprenticeships would create a feeling of self worth and hope for the future whilst instilling discipline.Instead of reverting back to National Service we need to be forward thinking and prepare our young people for todays needs,Let those who wish to join the armed forces do so but don't take valuable time from young peoples lives that could be better employed elsewhere.
backpacker
28th May 2017
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I'm sick of hearing about the "good old days" of compulsory National Service, and how it should be brought back.Surely being a member of the armed forces isn't the only way to instil discipline and a sense of responsibility? This should be done in the home and in school. Have we really got no imagination?

The military is intended, is it not, to train individuals to defend one's country using aggression? Yes, there are trades to be learned, and friendships to be made, but that also occurred when we had apprenticeships. Shouldn't we be investing in manufacturing industries and re-introducing apprenticeships? Instead of which young people just want to get rich and famous by appearing on reality TV.
JimM4
28th May 2017
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The cost would be immense...many billions...thats why it wont happen
old adage
27th May 2017
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Discipline is short in this country by far.
collette49
26th May 2017
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the young of today need a purpose ,discipline and encouraged to have respect for themselves and others,
RichardK7
26th May 2017
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I served in the paras for ten years. Best time of my life. Never had friends like that since
Vasu
26th May 2017
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This will encouage young people to learn discipline ,responsibility and value of Service to others and the Country.
Pollyanna
26th May 2017
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I've always been in favour of National Service. It instills discipline, which is sadly lacking today and teach youngsters a sense of self- worth.
paulinedroney
26th May 2017
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It would give young people a sense of purpose in life. Also with all of the unemployment among young people, it would give more of them the chance of a training in a trade for their future.

The army has cut down numbers of soldiers a lot in past few years so would help to fill the gap too.
mendel
26th May 2017
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would give people pride in themselves
Janpie
26th May 2017
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It would teach respect and a trade so every young person would be able to experience work of some kind and make friends for life.
time for change
26th May 2017
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We need to instil some self discipline & the ability to work with others as a team & stop this i in team. We also need to be ready for any event that as a country we maybe faced with in theses very uncertain times. The country has become soft & in my opinion weak minded we need firm resolve even if it means upsetting the left wing who have undermined this country. As a former solider I gained a lot in making me a more responsible person & what it was to fight if necessary to defend my country.
Barton babe
26th May 2017
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Nation Service never did my husband any harm. He finished his five year appreniship then did his two year nation service in the RAF and made him a better man for it. I would like to see both men and women do nation service give them some real discipline that they sadly lack today.
Alfredpc
26th May 2017
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They would come out after two year better and fitter with a better chance of a good job in stead of being a no hoper wasting there life on drugs ,beer and a dead end job
AnnieR6
26th May 2017
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The reason it should be it would give the youngsters a purpose in life. Many do not know what they want to do when leaving school.
But it will not be reinstated into this country because even though we are leaving the EU there are ongoing plans that we will continue to reduce our forces. This has been okayed be our politicians. I have just read the paper on the subject.
dementedgranma
26th May 2017
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I feel that all youth could benefit from at least two years, it would help mound them, and give them life skills, which I believe is sadly lacking today. Respect, trust and looking after each other.
Gilldee
26th May 2017
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I do believe that every 17 to 23 year old should be doing something ,nobody should be allowed to stay in bed all day or stay at home and watch TV, a form of national service where they were landbased learning general day to day life. And a trade for the rest of their lives. I do not believe that they should ever be armed and less they choose the forces as their career.......
qualitynvalue
26th May 2017
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Get the young men and women a sense of belonging and responsiblity
viking
26th May 2017
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Being an old "ex", I would comment that there are so many "do-gooders and pc's " in this country It would never get off the ground.
Discipline now is described as bullying and we could see most of the mummies boys going to the descrimination board and pleading all sorts of lawyers rubbish.
Lionel
26th May 2017
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Well said Viking. That's my concern too.
AndrewD
26th May 2017
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As an ex-servicemen who served this country for 23yrs I wouldn't trust a lot of today's youth with a catapult let alone a real weapon.
To teach them discipline, self-respect and work ethics put them on a military style regimen where they can be of service to the community as a whole and earn the money we give away so freely.
JimM4
28th May 2017
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thats what every older generation say about the young.......always have done.......ive worked with a lot of youngsters and they deserve more credit than they are given
VSOP
24th May 2017
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As an ex National Service (1950) sprog I now find this topic somewhat puzzling because society has changed so much, particularly with regard to gender characteristics. Whilst we automatically think of forced conscription as for males only, surely in this new age of so-called female equalisation where women emulate men more and more...... in speech, attitudes, swearing, boozing, loutish behavier, job aspirations and so on, then conscription should apply to all young females too. Isn't that fair and reasonable? The downside, of course, is that this would lead to an upsurge of teenage pregnancies as a means of avoiding call-up ! The two years I spent in a RAF control tower didn't teach me a useful trade so I consider that as a complete waste of time at a most crucial period of a young persons career, training and prospects.
Lionel
24th May 2017
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In general you are qiite correct. I was born 1951, so conscription didn't apply to me. Maybe that put's a context on my small part of this discussion.

At this end of my life I see the policies of liberal lovvies have wrought havoc on this nation. Never having been a liberal lovvie they leave me cold. From the desperate place we as a nation are in now, if we are ever to find a way back to some sort or normality any action must be drastic and far reaching. People will be hurt, put out, discomoded.

I wrote earlier in this thread about 'snow flakes mums,' not likeing the idea of their still children being forced into conscription. Two generations ago mums gave up their sons to die in the Second World War. Does that put a context on modern conscription? Merely being put out for a couple of years hardly equates with being slaughtered on the beaches of Normandy.

And yes, young women should also be conscripted. You suggest a rise in teen aged pregnancies. Well, as in war time, grand parents will stand Sam for delinquent daughters. The girls must still go away and do their duty.

Duty ... now there's a word ...

Below is the model I saw at work in the Czech Republic twenty years ago. It worked, oh yes, it worked wonderfully. In fact the few hooligans they has when I was there were the Russian soldiers who, publicly, should not have been there.
iestynlad
24th May 2017
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Many of these young kids have been raised by strangers i.e. in creches. They have no values, no life skills, no trade skills, no manners, no sense of responsibility or loyalty - I could go on. I'd like to see a "weaponless" national service for BOTH male and female. Get them drilling and exercising - soon get rid of these fat blobs costing health service loads. Get them working on basic jobs in the NHS and in care homes and as organised labour for older or disabled people at home - all under the aegis of the armed services. Take their tablets, phones and other paraphernalia away from them during their duty time and only let them have access during leisure time. We need to something pretty drastic to get many of the younger generation ship shape
Lionel
24th May 2017
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YES!!

I have two step grand kids for whom this would be the best way forward.
Lionel
23rd May 2017
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This entire idea of National Service for younsters is, in principal, excellent. But it is fraught with dangers,

We must remember, the 'snowflake' element of our youngsters, and that's by no means all of them, have been raised that way principally by their mothers, women enshrouded in 'rights' and child protection laws. In this so litigious society these mothers will know the slightest infringment of their 'snowflake's' rights will result in court action and compensation. Compensation is in reality, free money, lots of it.

If National Service, of whatever kind, is to become a reality the wall of protection, 'rights and child protection, must be at the very least diluted so compensation doesn't happen.

But, we're a brave people, we're embarking on a life outside the EU with all the promise that holds. Surely we may get our own house in order as well.
Treehugger1
23rd May 2017
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I was an army cadet instructor a few years ago and many of the kids were from a deprived, problematic neighbourhood.
Being in the cadets was such a positive activity for many of them and a few even joined the army, making successful careers for themselves while their peers were on the streets using drugs, alcohol and turning to crime, so yes I believe National Service should be re-introduced.
Julesmb7
23rd May 2017
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Bring it back for all young boys and girls who don't want a job or get a job after leaving school to instil some good manners and discipline into them !
Lionel
24th May 2017
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Just bring it back!
MaggieB4
23rd May 2017
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teach this generation some respect as it seems to have gone in the last couple of generations
CarolL14
23rd May 2017
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Bring back national service for young offenders, the discipline would help sort them out
JimM4
28th May 2017
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the forces wouldnt want them...having a record precludes them now..so this will never happen
Pwilly
23rd May 2017
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No! Who would we be giving arms too??
Blueeye
23rd May 2017
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I can't see role for the old type National Service as it was in the 50's back then it was to have a portion of younger people to act as basically cannon fodder in the time of war .Todays Army are highly trained and war is very much more technical so massive are not required . I worked as a member of the National boys Clubs assc and some sort of vocational /life group /army may work and could give young people some direction in life and we could all do with some basic life skills training . Self respect , strong work ethics and real comradeship are gained through experience and from the foundations of a sound upbringing not conscription! Whether you make it compulsory or not ?
Kes
22nd May 2017
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I'd like to have voted yes, but had to vote no as I just can't see this working in this day and age.
Marian L
22nd May 2017
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I am too young to remember National Service as I was born in 1951, however I do think that as the world is so unstable we need a 'semi' trained army of both young men and women who could be called to the front line in a very short time if necessary.
There are many people who talk about how disrespectful youngsters are these days, though I think that is the attitude of youth - as an ex 'Mod' I can remember being hideous to the older generation. I really don't think it is a large part of the younger generation.
johnny the eagle
22nd May 2017
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I did 5 years in the army signed up at 16 in 1964. A lot of the youngsters today would not pass the 12 weeks basic. Discipline is not a thing many of them would like, we had more discipline in our live when we were younger it was part of life back then. There doesn't seem to be much of it about now.
iestynlad
24th May 2017
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I agree that few would make basic training BUT that's exactly the point. Get them at it no matter how long it takes - could be 12 months not weeks in some cases but the end result.......tougher health wise and fit and hopefully a blueprint for life
bobbysmum
22nd May 2017
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Certainly for the thugs of today instead of the soft options they get nowadays,
If not National Service some sort of detention with rules, discipline and respect taught .
LynnH11
22nd May 2017
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Why should it be limited to males only. I think females could benefit from it too. This could be used instead of prison.
Bigjohn
22nd May 2017
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Discipline is needed for all youngsters plus respect for law and Order and everyone else.
Brenmau
22nd May 2017
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It would give youngsters some discipline which is sadly lacking....and no am not an old fuddy duddy haha but feel that mobile phones are not the b all and end all, they have no challenges, nothing to get up for!
Hilary Backhouse
22nd May 2017
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Discipline, manners and respect sorely needed these days
JimM4
28th May 2017
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said every older person...ever...since time began
Matilda1
22nd May 2017
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If those aged 17 and older do not attempt to find employment or to continue with further education then they should have to do some kind of service to the community.
Lydia321
22nd May 2017
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Would this apply to both sexes? If not, why not?
DenisW
22nd May 2017
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In the 40's and 50's young men grew up having experienced regular discipline, at home, school and one or more of a number of organisations, e.g. Scouts, Cadets, Youth Clubs, etc. We lived in a more disciplined society, when people recognised boundaries, not like today, where anything goes and lessons are always being learned.

I served in the RAF during the 50's and 60's and the enforcement of discipline and conditions we all experienced then would not be accepted, if not by the recruits, certainly by the do-Golders in today's society.
RodD
22nd May 2017
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There is no place in the Uk Armed Forces for the training of National Service personnel but consideration could be given to forming a Militia.
All 17 to 25 year olds to serve for 18 months to learn the basics of discipline and self improvement.
The Militia could be used for whatever the authorities decide and be be extremely mobile.
JimM4
28th May 2017
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whatever the authorities decide?.....dont like the sound of that
StanC3
22nd May 2017
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It's both discipline and self discipline
BirdofParadise
22nd May 2017
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It would teach the young discipline, manners and hopefuly pride and respect for themselves and others. Bring it on!
Pickypaul
22nd May 2017
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Unless there is a major war, better to have a professional standing arm forces.

There is a a cost to National Service; accommodation, pay, Welfare etc.

Are you willing to pay more tax to pay for it?
viking
26th May 2017
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Please refresh
The regular Army/Navy/Airforce has been slashed to the bone and beyond.
So where has that money gone??
Plenty there to pay for National Service to be introduced.
The numbers would be small though, sick notes would prevail, so Picky, don't worry, the do gooders and PC'S would never allow it to happen !!
jill corry
22nd May 2017
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Young people need firm discipline and a purpose so YES YES YES to National Service although I can't see how I actually register a vote!
Dellboy
22nd May 2017
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As one of the generation who was liable for National Service,I'm strongly opposed to it's re-introduction.A little known fact is that over four hundred National Sevicemen died on active service in the Korean war,many more were lost in Malaysia,Kenya,Aden etc.
Would any parent today wish to see their child die in a foreign war after only basic training,being paid a pittance?
iestynlad
24th May 2017
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Just don't put them onto active front line service. Easy enough to select them for the back office jobs or social work
joan boakes
22nd May 2017
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I don't believe national service should be forced on our youngsters mainly because I believe in piece and would hate to think my gentle grandchildren would be forced to be put in a position where they may have to kill another human being. Don't get me wrong, my mum chose to join the army just before world war two and was on active duty throughout the war and of course my Dad was in the army during the war years and I am proud of the part they played in gaining freedom for me and future generations.. my grandmother lost two brothers in the war one aged 18 and one aged nineteen. I also know people who have been discharged from the army with mental health issues caused by their time in service and it is very sad to see.
With regards to young people I am in favour of some sort of compulsive training to give them discipline and a good framework for life including how to respect all other living beings and creatures but I also think this is something that should be taught and encouraged from day one and throughout there school life. My children
were brought up this way as was I..
Lionel
22nd May 2017
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Joan, I believe in, and love, peace too. But in this present world of Putin, Trumps, Kim Jon one and a ha;f, not to mention China, there isn't much hope of peace. I think it's better we are prepared with a stong military, a very substantial militia behind them and weaponary to match any aggressor.
viking
26th May 2017
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Unfortunatly Joan some religions have a doctorine of "an eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth " and no respect or mercy must be shown
lynnefab1
22nd May 2017
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I think some youth of today have no direction,no sense of self worth and national service gives a sense of belonging, life skills and lots of other things I find myself unable to be eloquent about all I need to say so will leave it at that
StellaD
22nd May 2017
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The youth of today need some discipline and learn they cannot do just what they want to do without thinking of others.
NeilB6
22nd May 2017
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OK, so you take youngsters who have no job and are hanging around street corners and getting into trouble, give them 2 years training and a feeling of belonging then return them to the same jobless black spot they came from.

Only difference now is they have been trained in teamwork, communications, planning and weapons.

The Krays and the Great Train Robbers all did National Service.
iestynlad
24th May 2017
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Well that's about a dozen it didn't work for......................how about the thousands of others that it did some good
Calamity
22nd May 2017
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Youngsters now have no fear of authority and many need the army style discipline .
I believe young boys / girls who are not in mainstream school due to bad behaviour would benefit also all youngsters who offend need the strict routines the army offers.
JimM4
28th May 2017
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you cant join the forces with a criminal record...the forces wouldnt want them
lcoulby
22nd May 2017
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Whilst the first thought may be 'yes' in reality it is not that simple. Today's youth do need a focus and a way to develop the skills and experience they need to go and build their working lives. If it was to be 'yes' then it should only be for those school leavers who haven't gone on to further education, apprenticeships or jobs and the main focus of their training should be on building 'job/trade' skills.
suziqu59
22nd May 2017
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It would teach them respect, for themselves and others and give them them the knowledge they require to make sensible choices. For many young people it would give a purpose to their lives. It would open the door to so many possibilities for the rest of their lives
olly65
22nd May 2017
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My first gut reaction was yes....but then giving myself to think I answered no...in our cash strapped country where our forces are being cutback and the NHS is struggling where would the money come from? If national service was reintroduced what would happen to the jobs these youngsters where in...and surely in small company's and business' taking these youngsters out of their workplace would indeed have an impact...I also truly believe that discipline and respect should be taught at home.
TrudyLS
22nd May 2017
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The Army and other forces are not all about being trained to kill, there are numerous skills and job opportunities. I come from a army background and no one in my family has had to kill anybody.
Yodama
21st May 2017
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It may be a good idea if only to give youngsters the chance to learn a skill along with the discipline to produce fine trained members of society. We need skilled people in all walks of life, the forces can provide high levels of expertise.

In the event of an emergency, we would have a strong back-up to help run things. The flooding a couple of years ago needed the forces to step in to help.

It is a sad fact that wars exist and enemies constantly on the horizon. We must maintain the levels of our forces for the protection of our country.
If they have to go to war, it is as it has always been, the world is constantly at war.
Yanky03
21st May 2017
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there would be less crime and people would be more responseable.
Jane Black
21st May 2017
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I am amazed and astounded at how many Yes votes there are for this.
How about a move towards peace, where the young and strong are not considered dispensable items, to be disposed of at another's bidding.
Why do some people seem to consider the military a good way of expending youthful energy and control a necessity?
I made some suggestions earlier for ways to utilise the army, and if you absolutely insist on a person not having their own free will and conscripting them, I suggest a more positive way of using their energy. How about training them in disaster response. how to get people out of collapsed buildings after earthquakes, dealing with floods and fires etc., How about teaching them to save lives instead of killing.
This has never been tried before and I would like to know your thoughts on this.
I for certain would much rather my Granddaughters learned these skills if they were going to be conscripted. There are better ways to bring about the feeling of camaraderie.
Billythequiche
21st May 2017
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While the gut reaction would be YES, after sensible rethinking it may not be a good idea. We have the best trained and effective professional armed forces in the world, diluting them with temporary conscripts is worrying. The cost of training them and then letting them go would be prohibitive. The results on careers would be an issue. Would we want lots of young people, trained to use deadly arms and force, returning to find there are no jobs? At the basic level, if you asked a professional soldier if he would trust a conscript to ''watch his back'', what would the answer be?
Lionel
21st May 2017
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Billy, you're right. In these days we have little need of 'canon fodder,' thus conscipts would be a waste of time and money.

But ... I have visited Czechosloakia many times since Berlin Wall fell - it then became Czech Republic and it's changed again. But among the things which impressed me were these ...

Their education system demanded girls chose a career and studied it at school. Nursing, advanced medicine, in fact all sorts of things. It meant that the entire nation of ten million had a fall back of thousands of nurses and advanced medics in the event of national catstrophe.

They also had conscription, for eighteen months, where young men, and women, were given basic military training followed by craft skill training or something useful to that small nation. That meant in the event of another Russian incursion like August 1968, there would be a civilian army capable of sighting and shooting a rifle.

I've thought since at least 1993, this was an admirable way forward. That small nation's skill base is enhanced; they have a silent reserve of nurses and paramedics and the young are given that self discipline so lacking in society. But, the Czechs are so rich in patriotism, which we are not.

Yet, the thought lingers, this could be a very good thing for Britain; a valuable skill base in every day life, a territorial, or civilian, force who could wield weapons accurately. I don't think such a scheme would encumber our superb military, basic training is basic. Only at a time of war would they be required to stand up and fight - after further training.ut we would have a pool of nurses and medics ready and waiting.

What do you think?
Billythequiche
22nd May 2017
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Sounds very sensible, I defer to your knowledge of wider Europe, afraid my knowledge is limited and rather parochial. Your comment on patriotism is interesting. I have heard it termed as: jingoism, nationalism, reactionary, racism, xenophobia and other derogatory terms. It seems that this another of those qualities that ''dare not speak its name''. It is a sad fact that many of us dare not claim to be patriotic in case we cross the ''politically correct'' boundary. It can never be wrong to support your country, your religious beliefs or your moral stance. It may be wrong to try to impose them on others but you surely have the inalienable right to express them without fear.
It is heartening to read so many views on this site, that while being diverse to the limits, never seek to censure or censor others points of view. Perhaps it is a generational thing.
Lionel
22nd May 2017
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Billy. let's not bother with this crop of PC terminology, or thinking. I say it as it is - I met my nearly son-in-law about a year ago. Now, being the old lion the whip hand was mine. I told him I don't do PC, I don't like bull s++te and won't be lied to. Staright away we began to get on just fine. He was here this last weekend, he's a grand lad who speaks his mind here and we know where we stand wiith each other.

Yes, there are variant forms of describing patriotism but none embrace the extent of love and respect for one's country. I'm the seventh generation of Polish immigrants - we came here in the 1840's after the Hapsbergs enacted a most horrific pogrom in Poland. Every generation of my family has been taught to be grateful to Britain, a country which gave us refuge, shelter and safety. I still feel that way. And yes, I am an unashamed partiot for Great Britain.

There have been those on Silver Surfers who have attempted to pull down my heart for this country with words like jingoism, xenophobia and racism; but they're very wrong.

I continue to be grateful to the British people who gave us a refuge all those years ago. In a sort of repayment we have lost so many family members to war, one was a copper and killed in the line of duty.

I've taught my step grand children to be grateful to and for the land of their birth.
Billythequiche
23rd May 2017
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It is heartening to hear that, especially as our generation know how we entered WW2 and also what we allowed to happen after.
Again I raise a glass to you, not Polish pure spirit, I'm not man enough for that!
Bill.
Tubby
21st May 2017
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Think this could be a good idea where would the money come from as their has already been a significant cut in the armned forces budget
ecarg
21st May 2017
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Young people do need an opportunity to improve their pratical skills and to learn respect for others and their community but National Service may not be the best solution ,Alternative ideas could involve working in projects to benefit the community including working for charities where many skills including interpersonal skills could be developed
Pam1960
21st May 2017
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National Service works for other countries it is perhaps something we should look at. Young people are in compulsory education til 18 and many go on to University til the age of 21. Add on gap years and further education can take you up to mid 20s. I think a spell of National Service will help these young people to accept the roles and responsibilities of adulthood together with learning a trade that may help in the job market more than some of the two a penny degrees that some are studying for. We have more everyday requirements for electricians and engineers than sports managers and social media communicators
Jane Black
21st May 2017
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Absolutely not. If there were no soldiers there would be no wars it as simple as that.
jeanmark
21st May 2017
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Nice thought Jane but soldiers don't cause wars, they just have to fight them for those who do......
Jane Black
21st May 2017
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I am sorry if you misunderstood me I never meant to imply that soldiers create wars. What I was trying to point out was; That if two political leaders had a squabble of some kind. they should do the fighting and not send young people out to fight for another man's cause.
If soldiers refused to fight there would be peace. How about using all that strength intelligence and energy in more constructive activities such as emergency help or reconstruction after earthquakes etc., So far all a war has provided is money for those who sell arms, death and destruction and the chance to rape a pillage an overthrown country.
Flourish and prosper X
jeanmark
26th May 2017
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I don't disagree with the sentiment Jane but National Service could teach young people the principles of team work, discipline, in its wider sense, and a sense of achievement. It doesn't have to mean people are only trained to kill. Their ability to work in a cohesive and disciplined way could give them the skills to help in disaster situations. Our soldiers are always there when disaster strikes because of their skills.
Esso
20th May 2017
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As an ex veteran I can only say that in my time I would not have liked to serve with anyone who didn't want to be there. I remember my uncles telling me what a waste of two years of their lives it was. If people are really keen to serve then go and sign up for a short term.
Wilf
20th May 2017
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I think it would be a good thing for many young men though rather than drifting about and good for their fitness as well?
Pam1960
20th May 2017
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I think it would bring good for both young man and eomen. Not only will it instill discipline and a sense of camaraderie I think it will also promote patriotism and a pride in the country which is missing in many young folk of today.
Wilf
20th May 2017
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I agree with you Pam
Munsterlander
20th May 2017
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Yes we should. My dad was in the airforce in the late 40s and involved in the airlift to Berlin. He spent 2 years in there including the bitterly cold winter of 47. Discipline was harsh. He said the Sargent Major would come in and get the coal bucks and fling the contents, dust and all over everyone and their beds etc and then say-"right inspection in 30 minutes I don't want to see one speck of dust". On other occasions they had to whitewash the coal so not a trace of black coal was to be seen. I was fascinated as a boy as he had just left and got married when they had me. Dad always said NS installed a sense of discipline and camaraderie among the men. They went in as boys and came out as men. Some of our youngsters could do with this. May reduce the crime rates and help youngsters get fit and find trades etc.

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