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Should smoking be banned outside pubs and cafes?

In a bid to make England smoke free by 2030 five local authorities have banned smoking on pavements outside pubs, cafes and restaurants.

The City of Manchester, Northumberland, Newcastle, North Tyneside and Durham have all banned smoking at venues where outside seating is available, and in Gateshead, although no high-level policies have been set, all bars and restaurants with pavement licences must be smoke-free.

Oxfordshire is also considering the move as part of its plans to become the first smoke-free county by 2025, five years ahead of the national target.

Simon Clark, director of the pro-smoking group, Forest (the Freedom Organisation for the Right to Enjoy Smoking Tobacco) has hit back at the local authorities:

“It’s no business of local councils if adults choose to smoke, and if they smoke outside during working hours that’s a matter for them and their employer, not the council.

After Covid, local authorities will have far more important things to do than tackle smoking … Reducing smoking rates to meet some idealistic target is not a priority for most people, and council policy should reflect that.”

However. Deborah Arnott, chief executive of Ash (Action on Smoking and Health), said most customers supported the idea of a pavement ban. “Our surveys show that two-thirds of the public want areas outside pubs and cafes to be smoke-free,” she said.

England’s chief medical officer, Chris Whitty, at a lecture on public health last month, said smoking was still a major cause of mortality and hospitalisation, and warned that the impact of tobacco was worse than Covid-19.

“It is likely that by the end of this year that at least as many and probably more people will have died from smoking-related disease than from Covid,” he said.

“Lung cancer is now the UK’s number one killer in cancer. Almost one in five people will die from this.”

Smoking rates are in decline across the UK, with analysis suggesting more than a million people have quit smoking throughout the pandemic.

Generally tobacco is estimated to kill 90,000 people a year in the UK.

Do you enjoy smoking in a pub garden or at a restaurant with outside seating? Are smokers being unfairly picked on? Or does smoking bother you when you are eating or drinking outside? Do you agree with these new policies?

Should smoking be banned outside pubs and cafes?

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Supersabre
2 days ago
0
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As I seem to remember, when it was first introduced, it was inside restaurants. Over time, and as per usual, the tinpot tyrants thought, oh well, we got it banned there, we, ll do bus stations next. And they did. Now the ban is everywhere. I have never smoked, but bans have a habit of spreading. Pat them on the head, and tell them it's for their own good. That was easy wasn't it? Now, what's next.
Billythequiche
4 days ago
3
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I smoked many years ago and hate walking through a fug of smoke as we leave a restaurant or hotel. BUT.....a ban would be unfair and a further erosion of personal freedoms. What next? Ban BO or halitosis? Ban eating garlic? Ban flatulence? No of course not, we have to keep a sense of proportion. Pity we don't do this with wokery and political correctness.
I would extend a ban on vaping to anywhere smoking is banned.
JE
3 days ago
1
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Oh you do make me smile with some of your comments.!
I agree with you on the vaping and don’t understand why people think that it is ok to do that in no smoking zones.
Billythequiche
3 days ago
1
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Glad I made you smile, there seems to be a shortage at the moment.
Have you ever followed a car with someone inside vaping? I always wonder how they can see. I did not realise until I quit how rank my car smelled.
JE
3 days ago
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You are right there isn’t much to smile about these days so you have to get little pleasures from whatever you can. Thanks for the chuckles!
Yes, there seems to be much more vapour from them than smoke from cigarettes. Sometimes it’s bad enough being in the open air with them never mind in enclosed spaces. Plus some of them have a really strong smell that seems to linger.
I did read some weeks ago that the government is thinking of allowing vaping inside bars, restaurants etc and on public transport. Personally I don’t agree with that and just hope that it doesn’t happen.
JulieF37
7th Jun 2021
1
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i'm a non smoker and have no problem with people smoking out side pubs and restaurants they are in the open air .there is more fumes from car exhausts are w going to ban the driving of cars????.
JE
6th Jun 2021
1
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I am a non smoker and do not have a problem with people smoking in designated areas outside pubs and restaurants etc. What I do have a problem with is smokers who congregate around entrances and you then have to walk through the smog to enter the premises.
HappyHippie
5th Jun 2021
0
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I se to smoke but gave up over 30 years ago, there are so many smoking related illness and deaths due to this awful habit its time it was banned in public, if they want to smoke do it at home where the only person whose health is being harmed is theirs, my husband has terminal lung cancer and I can assure you its its a dreadful illness, so if they can maybe stop more people from smoking it will be a good thing.. life is precious don't let a harmful habit ruin yours
Vivid77
5th Jun 2021
0
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I’ve never smoked, but as I was growing up and throughout my teens people smoked everywhere, pubs, cinemas, cafes and coffee bars, even in hospitals and doctors’ surgeries. As a result of this I was diagnosed with lung cancer 4 years ago, part of my lung was removed, then a cancerous lymph node was found and I had more surgery followed by chemotherapy and radiotherapy. But if my next scan is clear I’ll be in remission.
From the last year in primary school pupils should be made to watch a video showing the effects of smoking on the human body, and how passive smoking can also cause cancer. Follow this by featuring lung cancer patients explaining what they are going through. It needs to be a hard hitting and aggressive video, which should prompt non smokers to urge smokers in their midst to give up.
Never mind all these health promotions and free treatment to assist those giving up, it’s the younger generation that needs to be targeted.
And to be really radical I would reduce benefit payments if a recipient is a smoker, if they can afford to buy cigarettes then they are receiving too much in benefit payments!
jeanmark
5th Jun 2021
2
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Vivid77, I'm not sure that would achieve what you expect, on the whole the young consider themselves invulnerable, as we all did, and telling someone they may die at 50 as a result of smocking, well they think that is old anyway. All anti-smoking education has failed so far and I don't think traumatising young children under 11 would achieve anything but possible harm to some.

I appreciate the issue is very emotive for you, but not all people smoke just for pleasure, many find it their prop during hard times, stopping Universal Credit would only make their situation worse.

At the end of the day there is a great deal of information available relating to the harm to health from smoking, I'm not sure producing more would be of benefit. If someone wants to smoke, that is their choice and as long as there are smoke free areas to protect non-smokers.
Billythequiche
3 days ago
1
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As usual, pithy, inteligent and to the point. I sometimes find it hard to recognise the pre-teen who tried to prove his manhood by smoking the strongest cigarettes and even drinking straws. How stupid I was, peer pressure was, and remains powerful; at least we didn't stab each with anything worse than a pen nib or compass.
petersmckay
5th Jun 2021
3
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Surely over the past 2 years to many of our rights and freedoms have been curtailed or taken from us The powers that be have been given or have taken to much upon themselves in controlling our lives Enough, as an ex smoker I remember the comfort it gave me. I think that we are losing sight of the fact that this is a free country. We need to ask ourselves the question what next.
jeffsoo
4th Jun 2021
2
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I smoked until 25 years ago, I now suffer from COPD but I don't believe it would be fair to ban smoking everywhere.
AnitaW28
4th Jun 2021
2
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Despite being a non-smoker now for more than six years, I believe that smokers have a right to have a place for them to smoke. They are not allowed to smoke inside the restaurant or pub so let them enjoy their meal with a cigarette at the outside seating area!
DavidH893
4th Jun 2021
3
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Reading some of these Comments like moan about something you dont like thats what this country is comming to ?? every body hating everybody let people enjoy there life as they choose ime sure people have done somthing that other people dont like
gel65
4th Jun 2021
0
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I never have smoked since the smoke got in my eyes in a cinema as a very young child and seeing those who have suffered due to smoking and its effect on their health. Those are the reasons I am all for it.
Wilf
4th Jun 2021
4
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In my youth many decades ago I used to love nothing more than a pint of Guinness and a few Marlboro cigs with a packet of salted crisps so I would be a hypocrite to tell people to stop smoking as I loved all three BUT times and people change and I think we know smoking is very bad for you. I don't think it should be banned outside though and that applies to pubs etc as the problem and fag butts will just go elsewhere.
viking
5th Jun 2021
1
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Hello Wilf
Glad to hear that you gave up smoking Marlboro, ............. You may know what happened to the Marlboro cowboy !!
Wilf
5th Jun 2021
1
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Yes gave up 40 years ago Viking and while I loved it at the times I was well rid of that habit! Yes unfortunately that poor chap died!
JF
4th Jun 2021
4
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I admit I am a smoker and always very aware of other people around me and careful not to sit too close when outside having a ciggie. My husband and I are now using vapes in order to reduce our intake, which I might add is only one per day! We do however enjoy a smoke when outside fishing and also in a beer garden with a drink, not too much to ask really. I do wish people and the government would be more tolerant and appreciate some people do not over indulge and government should let us be for once!!
SueA64
4th Jun 2021
0
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I am an ex smoker and have a certain amount of sympathy for folks who still smoke and the fact they are being pushed further and further out of what is acceptable.

HOWEVER, over the past few years I have become less and less tolerant of smokers on beach beds outside holiday hotels, in pub gardens, outside hospitals etc. We even had to put up with some heavy smoking guests in my next door neighbours garden whilst we were sitting in ours - our windows were open and the house stank of cigarette smoke. How can you stop that?

Unfortunately I think designated smoking areas in many places are the only option and ban it in other areas. Private spaces are obviously difficult to ban and impossible to police.
DavidH893
4th Jun 2021
1
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i cant belive that cigarette smoke from next door tainted your house !! did they have a barbeque on the go ????
LizH25
4th Jun 2021
-1
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I believe it, have had the same experience. It wouldn’tbesobad if they could go half way up their garden regardless of how small or large it is..
PaulineH82
4th Jun 2021
6
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This country is becoming a bully state, you can't see alcoholics or drug addicts, who become rude and abusive and cost the NHS and policing far more than the smokers do, but the smoker is punished. Smokers pay the most tax and is legal to buy. I am not a smoker but have a chest problem, not from smoking but from chemicals from air freshners, aerosols and cleaning products, so you people who want a wonderful clean air carry on using your chemicals., how many of you are spraying aerosols out in the open that offends me. You should stop judging people and look at yourselves first. we are all going to end up in the same place, don't judge a book by its cover, you could be judged one day, being looked down on could be too fat or too thin or you have the wrong hair colour, this is how it starts.
Niknotus
4th Jun 2021
3
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It is rubbish and discriminatory. If non smokers do not want to smell smoke, then they have the option to go inside the pub or restaurant. It means that smokers have no options at all. Also it would be very, very bad for businesses who have already had a very difficult time during lockdown. People need to stop being so petty and selfish.
anubis
4th Jun 2021
1
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I stopped smoking 10 years ago after developing COPD if this ban saves just one person from developing lung disease I am for it
DavidH893
4th Jun 2021
3
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isnt that up to the individual theire choice not yours
Pestie1
4th Jun 2021
4
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Smokers have been persecuted for years they are not hurting anyone smoking outside they can’t smoke inside which is fair enough live and let live,I don’t like sitting next to someone that smells of BO so I move away from them let non smokers do the same from a vaper
Jillo
4th Jun 2021
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I passive smoke all the time as my husband is a smoker so I would really love it to be banned.
Wilf
4th Jun 2021
1
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Passive smoking is very bad. My old dad was in an office with his boss who used to smoke 50 woodbines a day and the office ceiling had a huge patch of yellow where Eddie used to puff away!
lindahigginsuk
4th Jun 2021
0
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Why should non smokers put up with the passive smoke of others that light up, in addition to dirty ashtrays or worse still stubbs all over pavement which they expect someone else to clear up after them.
Wilf
4th Jun 2021
0
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I totally agree with you about passive smoking and nobody should have to put up with that.
DavidH893
4th Jun 2021
2
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Car drivers pollute the air more than Smokers !!!! Do you drive a car???
BillS42
4th Jun 2021
0
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It is a stupid, antisocial and expensive thing to do. If you must smoke do it in your own home (where I will NOT be going).
Excentrica
4th Jun 2021
6
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I find it much worse to be sitting outside a cafe or pub breathing in filthy traffic fumes from the road than other people's ciggie smoke! I don't drive, never have, but have no issue with those who want to. Same with smoking, as long as it's in the open air. Live and let live!
VeronicaD1
4th Jun 2021
6
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I have had issues with traffic fumes for years. I do drive occasionally and don't smoke but smoking is nowhere near as bad as traffic fumes
Wilf
4th Jun 2021
1
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Especially diesel fumes I am becoming more aware of them nowadays as I walk down streets. They literally are a killer with all the particulates.
DianeH947
4th Jun 2021
7
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That's what the outside is for, so smokers can enjoy a drink and a cigarette, I know a lot of cafe's would close down permanently if this smoking outside ban is enforced, do the government want us to stop breathing too ?????
CaroleAH
4th Jun 2021
8
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I have never smoked and hated it when, as a teenager, I used to spend ages getting ready to go out and then come home smelling like a dirty ash-tray because everyone was allowed to smoke on the buses, in clubs and pubs etc. I even worked with a woman in A&E reception and she was allowed to smoke in there - disgusting! However, I do think that banning people from smoking outside as well as inside is a retrograde step for our hospitality industry and will just encourage people to smoke in their homes and cars instead to the detriment of their children. My younger daughter smokes but never in her house (or mine!) even in the winter or on a cold and wet day, she stands outside. Another thing that has occurred to me - how will this be policed? Our police forces have got enough to do with knife and drug crime, drunk drivers etc without having to discipline people who are smoking outside.
MrsPat
4th Jun 2021
8
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ASking people to smoke away from pubs like the other side of the street just moves the problem somewhere else and creates even more mess from fag ends. I think the current situation is fine.
Munsterlander
4th Jun 2021
-2
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Filthy habit- should be banned from everywhere in the Uk apart from smokers homes and gardens.
Bald123
4th Jun 2021
8
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I used to enjoy my cigars with a few pints and it seems amazing now that I used to smoke with clouds of the stuff billowing from me in pubs. I am happy for others to smoke outdoors.

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