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Should teaching the National Anthem at school be compulsory?

Romford’s MP is calling for the national anthem to be taught in schools across the country as part of the curriculum.

Andrew Rosindell is promoting the introduction of teaching God Save The Queen to pupils, in a bid to encourage young people to feel a sense of “national identity”.

He said: “We have generations of young people who don’t know the words of the national anthem and don’t understand the importance of national identity and it’s traditions.”

“Singing the national anthem can provide a great sense of unity, and disrespecting or disowning the anthem is a cause for division.”

“If we are serious about encouraging a sense of citizenship, the national anthem should be on the curriculum, the government already recommends citizenship studies in schools.”

He is hoping that his latest campaign will lead to young people becoming more patriotic.

We’d all like to believe we know the national anthem inside out – do you know all the words?

What are your views? Do you think it should be taught in schools? Are we in danger of losing our heritage? Is it important that our children know all the words?  Or is there somewhere else it should be taught?

Should teaching the National Anthem at school be compulsory?

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Onecott
22nd May 2019
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ColinM1
1st May 2018
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Not the most popular ditty in this neck of the woods !Wonder if the Romfordonians would appreciate being forced learn FLOWER OF SCOTLAND !!!!!

Lord grant that Marshal Wade
May by thy mighty aid
Victory bring.
May he sedition hush,
And like a torrent rush,
Rebellious Scots to crush.
God save the King!
orchardlane
13th Apr 2018
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It is useful to know one's own National Anthem. I do feel however that the current one is outdated. Most countries have an anthem relating to their homeland, not an individual. I am not anti-Royal but think that "Land of Hope and Glory" or similar would be more respected.

I am always impressed by the fervour shown by the populations of countries such as Poland. After what they have been through This is quite understandable.

Closer to home, The Scots and Welsh are not shy about expressing their desire for independence through their own anthems.
ColinM1
15th Mar 2018
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No way !t is dreadful dirge !
Birchy123
5th Mar 2018
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I'd rather they concentrated on teaching the basics, like maths and English. We now have generations of kids leaving school who can't do basic maths, and can't string a sentence together.

If they can't do these things when they leave school standing in front of a job interview panel and singing "God Save The Queen" won't do them much good !!
1BA
26th Feb 2018
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When I was at school, we were taught The National Anthem . Today lost of schools struggle to teach the basics were are they going to find time to teach the children the National Anthem.
ElizaDoolittle
11th Feb 2018
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For sporting events, Wales, Scotland, and Ireland have dumped the national anthem, and have their own, as they are more patriotic towards their actual countries than GB, so it might be good if England could do the same ( they did ask to at one point, but it got turned down).

Our anthem is a bit of a dated dirge, so it might be nice to have something more rousing.

But, no, I don't see a place for our current one in schools - not everyone is a Monarchist
jarvo1234
10th Feb 2018
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Sorry for this long post and maybe I’ve covered a few points others have made. Perhaps we are all getting too hung up on the words used in our National Anthem. It is a song that binds is as a nation. The words themselves are irrelevant (provided they fit the song). The fact that when British people are in a situation where they are in a crowd of foreign nationals and can sing a song that identifies then as a united Britain is paramount to belonging. All British children whatever race, creed, religion, skin colour or background should be able to sing at least the first verse of the Nations anthem. Whether they stand up to do that is their choice. It identifies that they have a British passport and are proud of it!
Jean177
9th Feb 2018
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Please teach all children our National Anthem and to be proud to be British : it teaches children respect for their country and especially for our armed forces who do so much to protect our good name throughout the world . Let’s keep the Great in Great Britain!
Galadriel53
8th Jun 2018
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We are not all proud to be British though, so it's unacceptable to force children to learn this out-dated dirge
Yodama
2nd Feb 2018
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APOLOGIES FOR THE LENGTH OF THIS POST IN ADVANCE.

WHY ARE WE HAVING THIS DEBATE AT ALL?
Our British anthem, God Save the Queen will be a thing of the past as will our Union Jack If talks fail and we remain in the European Union ( planned superstate)
Instead,

ALL 28 member states, all children in all schools will have to learn the European Union ANTHEM..."Ode to Joy" Written by Poet Schiller ( German) and used by Beethovan ( German.)
Kind of sticks in my craw!!

Wonder what you think of our new anthem to come?
Lyrics translated from German to English.

"An die Freude" "Ode to Joy"
Freude, schöner Götterfunken,
Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken,
Himmlische, dein Heiligtum!
Deine Zauber binden wieder
Was die Mode streng geteilt*;
Alle Menschen werden Brüder*
Wo dein sanfter Flügel weilt.

Wem der große Wurf gelungen
Eines Freundes Freund zu sein;
Wer ein holdes Weib errungen
Mische seinen Jubel ein!
Ja, wer auch nur eine Seele
Sein nennt auf dem Erdenrund!
Und wer's nie gekonnt, der stehle
Weinend sich aus diesem Bund!

Freude trinken alle Wesen
An den Brüsten der Natur;
Alle Guten, alle Bösen
Folgen ihrer Rosenspur.
Küsse gab sie uns und Reben,
Einen Freund, geprüft im Tod;
Wollust ward dem Wurm gegeben
und der Cherub steht vor Gott.

Froh, wie seine Sonnen fliegen
Durch des Himmels prächt'gen Plan
Laufet, Brüder, eure Bahn,
Freudig, wie ein Held zum siegen.

Seid umschlungen, Millionen!
Diesen Kuß der ganzen Welt!
Brüder, über'm Sternenzelt
Muß ein lieber Vater wohnen.
Ihr stürzt nieder, Millionen?
Ahnest du den Schöpfer, Welt?
Such' ihn über'm Sternenzelt!
Über Sternen muß er wohnen.


Joy, beautiful spark of the gods,
Daughter from Elysium, ( must look this word up!)
We enter, drunk with fire,
Heavenly One, thy sanctuary!
Your magic binds again
What convention strictly divides;*
All people become brothers,*
Where your gentle wing abides.

Who has succeeded in the great attempt,
To be a friend's friend,
Whoever has won a lovely woman,
Add his to the jubilation!
Indeed, who calls even one soul
Theirs upon this world!
And whoever never managed, shall steal himself
Weeping away from this union!

All creatures drink of joy
At nature's breast.
Just and unjust
Alike taste of her gift;
She gave us kisses and the fruit of the vine,
A tried friend to the end.
[Even] the worm has been granted sensuality,
And the cherub stands before God!

Gladly, as His heavenly bodies fly
On their courses through the heavens,
Thus, brothers, you should run your race,
Joyful, like a hero going to conquest.

You millions, I embrace you.
This kiss is for all the world!
Brothers, above the starry canopy
There must dwell a loving Father.
Do you fall in worship, you millions?
World, do you know your creator?
Seek him in the heavens
Above the stars must He dwell.


How long must we stand in the rain singing this tosh I wonder?
Time we looked at the bigger future picture don't you think?
iestynlad
9th Feb 2018
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Did you type in the German version by heart or copy? I learnt this by heart for A level
iestynlad
9th Feb 2018
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I meant to add that it was a fat lot of use. BTW it wasn't the EU anthem at the time as it was only 1972
Yodama
27th Jan 2018
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Schools are so diverse regarding race and religion today that to have them all sing the national anthem would be wrong.

Nothing wrong with patriotism for your country or adopted country. Perhaps another rousing patriotic song or anthem could be introduced.

Perhaps selected verses from "We are the world, we are the children."

While i do wish God would save our gracious Queen, it ( the anthem) has no place in our schools.
Schools are there to edify our children, paying homage to a royal personage who is a distant figure has no place therein.
MikeTeahan
26th Jan 2018
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There might however be some use in revising some of the verses as they are not very friendly towards Scots. Also the protocols of when to use the Anthem and how many verses should be played should also be known. It might also help if we taught people to hang the Union Flag the right way up. Not many of us have occasion to use the Union Jack as we all know this is what the Union Flag is called on a Navy Vessel.
gothiclady21
26th Jan 2018
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Why not they would know it I think they do so in America
shrew1742
23rd Jan 2018
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Are the lyrics to 'Jerusalem' or 'Land of Hope and Glory' religious or monarchist ? If not I suggest the English have one of these (or a English only poll to choose one) as their national anthem. Then all the children from the different countries that make up the UK can all sing their own anthems with pride, gusto & patriotism in assembly..... before school starts properly. Ex serviceman and proud Brit.
viking
22nd Jan 2018
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Sorry jeanm, but you are off the mark on this one.
To find out how wrong you are,please speak to a member of the armed forces.
GlynysH
20th Jan 2018
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No it should not be compulsory as not all people are royalists. We have our own in Wales and all the children know it. It has nothing to do with royalty but about us as a nation and the things that are dear to us. It’s the best anthem and puts the hairs on the back of your neck to stand up and tears in your eyes. God Save the Queen doesn’t do that.
viking
20th Jan 2018
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All the moaners who do not like the final verses are really nit picking.
Every time I have been anywhere that the National Anthem has been played or sung it is usually the "short" version.
Why ?? Probably not to offend the nit pickers and the PC brigade.
jeanmark
21st Jan 2018
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It has nothing to do with nit picking and certainly not the PC brigade. If you are both an atheist and a republican why would you sing words that have no meaning? Patriotism is love for your country and loyalty towards it, thus you do not have to be a Christian or a royalist. Maybe the words should now reflect being patriotic.
shrew1742
19th Jan 2018
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PS. And whilst i am on my soapbox let's stop crucifying the beautiful 'English language' (using the word 'English' very loosely people) with Americanisms !! I actually heard a young female MP yesterday use the word 'GOTTEN' whilst being interviewed on TV. Arrrrrgh !!!
shrew1742
19th Jan 2018
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I am definitely a monarchist but would only sing the existing anthem if the Queen was present. A country's anthem should be about 'that country and it's citizens', and NOT rpt NOT about one particular person. The countries that make up the UK all have anthems appertaining to that country (sung at sporting events etc) so why haven't the English got one of their own ?? Land of Hope & Glory or Jerusalem is fine by me, but methinks another
referendum might be a good idea so that the English could choose one for themselves. I am of mixed blood (Welsh, English
and Irish Republic) but a really nice 'rousing' English anthem would be nice (which God Save The Queen isn't) so that i could
heartily sing all three of them.
Billythequiche
19th Jan 2018
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Why do we now feel uncomfortable with patriotism or national pride? Of course the National Anthem should be taught in schools, this is not jingoism but a start on learning about our collective culture. An argument could be made that at the end of our present Sovereign's reign, the current Anthem might be retired and renamed Elizabeth's Anthem and replaced with Land of hope and glory?
More controversially, I personally believe that The Lords Prayer should still be taught. This is not just that we are still a Christian country but shows how our cultural standards and laws began.
Above all, we cannot allow political correctness, or self appointed, false voices of minorities endanger or freedoms of speech, thought and media.
MaryE6
19th Jan 2018
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I think that children should be taught to have a pride in their national identity. Many other countries across the world fly their national flags and sing their anthems - often at the beginning of the school day - why aren't we?
My only caveat is that the words of the second and third verses of 'God Save the Queen' are jingoistic and unsuitable for today's sensitivities. That said the first verse is fine as it is; we should celebrate our monarchy and our nation.
Bald123
18th Jan 2018
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Kids should learn it at school but they should also learn a lot more besides. The Queen should be respected, she has done a wonderful job. So much better than all those 'orrible Presidents of republics and prime ministers etc. Here today... gone tomorrow. Her majesty outdoes them all. We should be grateful. A class act.
MargaretMaria
18th Jan 2018
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If you read the final verse of the National Anthem, it's about putting the Scots down, why then would they sing it in Scotland? The National Anthem if not one verse, which I do like to sing
Hughes_Keith1skycom
18th Jan 2018
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With all the inconsistency in our lives we need some stability and Her Majesty provides that. You can hate the Roya. Family but think of the alternative. President Thatcher or Blair?
Pam1960
17th Jan 2018
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Of course it should be taught in schools. Regardless of any parents views on the Monarchy schools are public institutions and should therefore be flying the flag. Slightly off subject but does the in with what is taught in school nowadays. Very few schools have formal assemblies with singing of hymns, what will will future generations sing at any church service they may have to attend or will everything become non religiouscsocas not to offend
Lydia321
17th Jan 2018
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I had never given it any thought until I went to a Church service with one of my sons and whereas I reeled of the Lords prayer and later the National Anthem my son 'mimed' them. I was surprised he didnt know the words I just assumed he had learned them at school but he said he hadnt, so I think they should be taught in school. To my shame I never thought to teach them at home.
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17th Jan 2018
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Wilf
17th Jan 2018
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I agree with you. Most of this is because we now seem ashamed of our past with the Empire etc. Nothing to be ashamed of we halped many countries and were generally a force for good and tolerance in the world. I do see quite a few union jacks flying from buildings and long may it continue!
Cariad66
17th Jan 2018
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Both the Welsh and English National Anthem.
When I was little the Lord's Prayer was taught in both English and Welsh.
Helen Highwater
17th Jan 2018
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I'm afraid we are in danger of losing our heritage. Patriotism is sneered at by the so-called "intelligentsia" but it seems to me that we are the only country that doesn't celebrate its national-ness (I know there's no such word but you get my meaning) and that makes me very angry. I absolutely love the fact that Britain is so diverse and so open, but I do expect those who live here to respect the country - whether they are new citizens or have been here for many generations. There is nothing to be ashamed of in being patriotic and our Queen is, I suppose, the figurehead of that pride in one's country. So yes, by all means, teach the National Anthem in schools.
Poppyrose
17th Jan 2018
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You live in this country and presumably everyone here wanted to be here so sing the anthem, simple. If you are one of the perpetual moaners and sneerers about this country, if it's so bad push off, be big and brave and action what you feel would be utopia.
Lionel
17th Jan 2018
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I bet GCHQ has got this page in it's sights!
Lionel
17th Jan 2018
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Patriotism and nationalism lead us into vey troubled waters since they are so commonly used interchangeably in press articles and conversation. Let's be clear, patriotism is a love of one's country; nationalism is a love of one's country at the expense of other countries, as in war. Nationalism is what is spouted by far right people, well, generally.

I said a couple of times on SS England gave my Polish family refuge; that was seven generations ago and I was taught as a young kiddie to be grateful to and patriotic towards England. I remain a patriot.

Of course the National Anthem should be taught and sung at every public meeting, including the Commons and Lords. School assemblies must be restored, in spite of our left leaning luvvies untoward achievements so far, It trumpets the achievements of this nation under it's monarchs. It stirs my soul.

Perhaps Silver Surfers would have a competition to write another verse about our modern achievements? Perhaps it could begin, We left the EU, looked to the sea ... Perhaps I give away too much.
Andrea Pretli
17th Jan 2018
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Yes!!! When did they stop teaching the words, not only to the National Anthem but to other songs such as Land of Hope and Glory etc? It's called 'respect for your country and what it stands for' and they should also be taught how to stand properly while singing the Anthem! I emigrated to Canada many years ago and still live here, but I still stand and sing the British National Anthem when it's appropriate over here (when we have visiting Royalty for instance) and in Canada every child is taught the National Anthem at school, and most Canadians sing it proudly! Myself included!
Lionel
17th Jan 2018
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So very well said Andrea. I really couldn't agree more. You written my thoughts.
tracylee1
17th Jan 2018
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If people think this is where the want to live make them learn our customs not try to covert us .they live in little ghettos not wanting to speak English until they go to claim benefits then their fluent make the women speak English so when you go to the doctors you don't have to wait ages while all the family go into interpret
PatsyH
17th Jan 2018
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Yes it should be compulsory it is the.back bone of this country.
Lionel
17th Jan 2018
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Well said! I agree with you.
viking
17th Jan 2018
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I seem to remember it was taught in Cof E schools. When did this stop??
PC's and other catagories, if you don't like it - tough !

There will be trouble ahead for this MP, as certain religious groups who profess to be British citizens will not allow themselves to be associated with the words.
Kes
17th Jan 2018
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Every British citizen, children and all, should know the words and sing it loud and proud.
Lionel
17th Jan 2018
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We're with you Kes!
Jo Kingham
17th Jan 2018
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everyone should know their national anthem shouldn't they! I think it should be taught in schools still
Shirleygherkin
17th Jan 2018
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In many other countries a sense of loyalty and patriotism is encouraged and promoted from an early age.
How else do we learn what we are working towards and gain the knowledge of who we are and what we stand for?
Your place in society is not an automatic right but a privilege to be earned.
Teaching the National Anthem in schools is the only thing left that will replace the daily assembly gathering for Christian Worship which , in our multi faith society, is no longer relevant..
Let's stop the decline of our society now and instill a sense of pride and loyalty in our children by singing the National Anthem daily and showing them how to be proud of our Royal family and our Countries great leaders and Statesmen instead of leaving them in limbo to latch onto the media and sports celebrities of our time.
Come on Britain fly the flag. Let's be proud of our Country and its Heritage.
Lionel
17th Jan 2018
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I'm with you Shirley. So very well said. Let's be Brits again, strong, unafraid and economically powerful under one flag.

It can be done so let's all do it.
RachelT9
17th Jan 2018
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As they are learning the national anthem, they should also learn how to stand respectfully while it is being sung.
I also think they should learn the words of the Lord's Prayer and to respect its importance to many.
Lionel
17th Jan 2018
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Rachel, well said.

I too believe firmly the Lord's prayer should be taught in schools. I am a Jewish convert to Christianity. My faith in Christ has been the backbone of my life for 50 years. I would have this faith in Jesus taught in schools, irrespective of the ethnicity of the kids, because without such teaching they will not go forward in the way they should,

Before anyone red thumbs me, think about it. In neglecting Him we as a people have lost almost everything. Today we fight the EU to regain our freedom. Had there been a substantial Christian lobby in the House of Commons when the European Communities Act was illegally passed in 1972 we would not have been in this mess now.
Kelly1419
17th Jan 2018
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The children should feel patriotic about their country. People from Great Britain have done great things throughout history. Maybe schools and public buildings should fly our flag every day too, like they do in other countries. Be proud to be British.
RachelT9
17th Jan 2018
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I suspect the daily flag flying might go down so well in some quarters, NI being one such.
Lionel
17th Jan 2018
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What a good idea! Fly the Union Jack from every public building, every church and as many households as will.
Lionel
17th Jan 2018
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Rachel, I've stayed in NI for a few months. Whichever flag flies someone will object.
RachelT9
18th Jan 2018
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How right you are Lionel. I live here and the responses are so predictable we could all write the script!

Sometimes you just have to laugh at the ridiculousness of it all! (It doesn't change anything, but it keeps your blood pressure down lol!)
LynW88
17th Jan 2018
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Yes everyone in the country should know their national anthem
Wilf
17th Jan 2018
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Yes it should be taught and yes we should have more taught about our heritage. Having said that I think kids need to be also taought a lot more about world history and events as well as British/European History. What about civilisations in Greece, China, Japan and America. How about more teachings of other cultures around the world. It would certainly give greater understandinga nd cultural intelligence to our kids.
Lesley M
17th Jan 2018
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Yes I agree Wilf. Back in the "olden" days we used to have History and Geography lessons. Geography especially which covered many different countries and their customs. We were also taught Religious Instruction, and if you were of a different religion, you were excused and went to another class - no problems there, and yes, we also sang our National Anthem and were brought up proud of our country.
Andrea Pretli
17th Jan 2018
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Yes! I totally agree with you both! When I went to school in the 1950's, we were taught History, Geography and Religious Instruction. We learned about other countries, especially those in the Commonwealth areas, taught at least the basics going back to pre-Roman times etc etc. History and Geography were my favourite subjects (apart from learning the dates..). Even here in Canada not enough History and Geography is taught and I think that's bad. We were taught to be proud of our country, and I know that Canadians are taught that and it shows...without them being boastful about it!
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17th Jan 2018
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jeanmark
17th Jan 2018
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Well said scandiman, my thoughts exactly. I love our national anthem but many do not. My step-daughter, as both an atheist and a republican will not sing it because of the words. However, she loves her country and its history and is certainly patriotic and is not alone in her beliefs. Maybe it is time to revise the words if people truly believe that you can only be patriotic if you believe in God and the Queen? That may be the way to reinforce a national identity.
Alicia
17th Jan 2018
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No, it is a pointless waste of time. Teach the kids something useful instead.
kentrix39
17th Jan 2018
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It might instil some pride in our country which has been lost over the last fifteen years or so especially in England where the English people have been deprived of their nationality. I personally consider it now an insult to be referred to as British.
Munsterlander
17th Jan 2018
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It would be a good idea to get the kids to have a sing along. I am not sure if all the words are as applicable as they were say 80 years ago but it is our national anthem and everyone should have pride in this lovely country of ours.

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