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Should we rule out imported chlorinated chicken from the USA?

Farming leaders have said it would be “insane” to sign a trade deal that allows the import of food that would be illegal to produce in the UK, such as chlorinated chicken.

The Environment Secretary has refused to rule out chlorinated chicken and hormone-treated beef being imported from the US in a post-Brexit trade deal.

His predecessor before the recent reshuffle had insisted the controversial products from the States would not be imported amid animal welfare and environmental fears.

In countries such as the US, chicken is sometimes washed in chlorine or other chemicals to remove harmful bacteria.

This practice was banned in the European Union in 1997 over food safety concerns.

Consumer group Which? was highly-critical of the comments and demanded that ministers legislate to “ensure current high principles are preserved and reinforced in future trade deals”.

Sue Davies, its head of consumer protection and food policy, said: “It is astonishing that instead of improved food safety and health, chemical washing techniques for chicken and hormone-treated beef are still being left on the negotiating table when the debate has to be firmly focused on the food standards consumers want.”

National Farmers Union president Minette Batters called for the Government to add protections into law to prevent imports “that fails to meet our food safety, animal welfare and environmental standards”.

“If it doesn’t, it will not only fail our farmers but the public too, who quite rightly demand and expect these standards from our own farmers,” she added.

What are your views? Do you support farmers’ fears of being undercut by lower-quality imports? Or would you welcome reduced-priced chicken?

Should we rule out imported chlorinated chicken from the USA?

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Barton babe
19th Jun 2020
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If people don't buy chicken from America they will soon get the message that we do not want it.
SueC62
5th Jun 2020
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Yesterday (4th June) Mike Pompeo said (and it's in a video I watched, not just a written report) "We need to be open and honest about competitiveness. We need to make sure we don't use food safety as a ruse to try and protect a particular industry".
JazzeR77
23rd May 2020
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Providing foods are labelled with the country of origin there should be no problem, we can make our own minds up i.e. Danish Bacon, American Chicken etc. If you don't approve don't buy.
honestjohn
23rd May 2020
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We should let our feelings be known on this subject but if they are ignored we still have the ultimate weapon in our hands - leave it on the shelves! They'll soon stop trying to foist it upon us when it's costing THEM money!
MikeR3
16th May 2020
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we should not be eating this meat. also should be banning halal and kosher meat on animal welfare grounds. how is this still allowed in a so called modern society ?
RitaK65
7th May 2020
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When I was a girl chicken was expensive. Now they factory farm which makes it cheaper bit no life for thechicken
Llynfi
16th Apr 2020
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I’m allergic, so l hope so! I have a supplier of organic chicken & have been told if you’ve eaten KFC & similar you’ve already eaten chlorinated chicken. Rearing chickens organically is not cheap & so one has to question the origins of cheap chickens & what chemicals are in them.
ariadnefritz
11th Apr 2020
2
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Buy local whenever possible, encourage local business and reduce the use of packaging and transport
Mrchipps1
9th Apr 2020
3
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I believe that we should ban any foods that are treated by methods below or high standards, and especially anything that Trump proposes, as I wouldn't trust a single word he utters from his big American mouth
Pleavin5
24th Mar 2020
2
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We shouldn’t eat food that doesn’t have thorough checks we have a food standards agency in this country
Dani
11th Mar 2020
2
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Definitely rule it out. If we eat a bit less meat, prepared under strict conditions, from animals that have enjoyed excellent welfare, then we are doing ourselves and our planet some good.
viking
15th Mar 2020
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Not so sure about " prepared under strict conditions".Have not seen any recent TV programms about Halal butchery methods. Perhaps everyone is keeping quiet about the savagery involved so as not to offend a certain section.
BrendaB5
8th Mar 2020
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There's enough "unreal" food being sold to us with !!! what added to it, sprayed on it while growing, added to it, enough is enough.
Stribo
8th Mar 2020
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We still have freedom of choice, if one doesn't want to buy chlorinated chicken, one doesn't have to. It does seem strange, however, that people aren't bothered about chlorine in their drinking water, or packaged salads being washed in chlorine, I think the media have just jumped on this and are trying to rkle as many people up as possible.
viking
26th Mar 2020
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Quite agree Stribo, surely if the UK is forced to accept chlorinated chicken in order to obtain a decent trade deal, then if it is labeled clearly "product of USA " then people who are offended will not buy and the chlorinated product will stay unsold on the supermarket shelves. As the product ceases to sell, the importers in the UK will reduce their orders on the USA, untill maybe they would then cease.
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Bournster
4th Mar 2020
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UK reared products should be more clearly labelled as most don't seem to notice the red tractor but why not import food from the USA? We've been eating meat and everything else from around Europe for years so competition (especially as the EU just seem to keep threatening us at the moment) would be good if it drives down the cost of living i'm all for it, after all, the food doesnt seem to be harming the Americans does it?
NDW57
3rd Mar 2020
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Personally I'd prefer to support British agriculture and our farmers, not just in relation to food safety but also with regards to animal welfare. However, my concerns with chlorinated chicken are not the obvious ones. We quite happily pour chlorine (and often fluorine) down our mouths everyday when we have a drink of tap water. We slosh bleach around quite contentedly as a cleaning agent. The issue with chlorine is NOT, and never has been, its potential as a toxin of some sort, it is rather the attitude it engenders in slaughterhouse personnel. They are well aware that the chicken will be "cleaned" by chlorine so there is a temptation to not be as careful as they might be when "dressing the chicken" or supervising that process by a machine. "This bird's gonna get bleached so why should I care if I spill gut contents all over the carcase?" And of course the majority of meat contamination comes from contact with gut contents. Hope I haven't spoilt anyone's dinners!
Wilf
3rd Mar 2020
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I would think its os mechanised that this doesn't happen in the majority of cases. Maybe it's just a health procedure in the USA?
VeraS
3rd Mar 2020
1
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If it is in shop don't buy it
Cag9
3rd Mar 2020
3
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We need to support our British farmers & growers. Why can't we go back to seasonal produce.
Wilf
3rd Mar 2020
1
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Good point-we should do and it would also cut down on "food miles" and carbon
Lionel
3rd Mar 2020
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Wilf, you're making a good case for traditional style farming that I advocate.

Sorry to keep banging on about it. The matter just is so important in so many ways.
Wilf
3rd Mar 2020
1
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Thanks Lionel. I guess the only question is would it feed todays population/or should we simply eat less?
Lionel
3rd Mar 2020
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The answer to that requires a much larger canvass than the question initially demands.

We all eat too much, largely because today's farmers produce 'belly fillers' and not nutritional substances to keep the body fit and well. Hence, in my understanding, the NHS is loaded with people who have conditions largely unheard of seventy years ago.

As said on an earlier thread, a traditionally farmed plot will produced many, many times the amount the same area of land farmed in the modern style. But the crux is, the nutritional quality of what is produced.

Now a rather tasteless example. I recall you grow some veggies in your garden, as I do. I bet you can't eat the same volume of chips made from your taties as you could McCains Oven Ready. Furthermore, on McCains you'd be ready for another meal much sooner.

That principal works across the entire food spectrum.

Better quality food equals less bulk, less obesity, less T2 diabetes and the list goes on. But more. A well nourished body gives a lively mind and greater longevity with fewer health problems.

That's still a fairly narrow canvas but to round it up. Traditional farming fed people good food, seasonally. They needed less of it to thrive and so each acre under cultivation fed more people. An over simplification perhaps, but an historical fact.

Would older style farming feed this present population? Given in reality it's around 80 million, then no. We could I think feed around 45-50 million using traditional methods and that leaves an import requirement of around 30% instead of 60-65% today. Also, fringe benefits such as decreased demand on the NHS, fewer sick days, and farm land that just keeps on giving.
olivep
3rd Mar 2020
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Its not just the chlorination but the US use far more hormones in the rearing of their meat products apparently than we are allowed in the UK/Europe.
Scary - we should keep our own farmers in work in our own country,
stuarty61
2nd Mar 2020
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We need to support our farmers to raise and produce meat and poultry for our home market. We should only buy and use UK chicken
viking
2nd Mar 2020
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Next time , when the opportunity arises ask the countryside vet what chemicals he has in his bag to cure the ills of animals he is visiting, and treating !!
Is chlorination any worse than the toxic injections given these days ??
DesB
1st Mar 2020
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The USA methods if farming aren't as stringent as the UK and this is why the poultry needs to be 'cleaned' whether it is by chlorine or lactic acid. we should keep their products from our shores including their beef which is fed growth hormones
MargaretE14
1st Mar 2020
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Another thing. It takes a week or more for an airmail letter to arrive in either direction so how long would it take for chickens? It's probably reason they have to be chlorinated to hide the the fact their going off.
MargaretE14
1st Mar 2020
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How many things in U K already contain this chemical. I am aweare we have it added to our water supply & it is in swimming pools. Surely ther is the risk of a person being over chlorinated! Apart from that why would wewant to import chickens?? We have many chicken farms/ factories in U K & should not be importing. Time we ALL supported our own industries.
JohnW35
29th Feb 2020
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I don't like the idea of chlorinated chicken and would certainly not buy it. My main concern is that the reason these poor creatures have to be washed is because of the disgusting conditions they have to endure. Not only that but they are force-fed to grow quickly and get so fat that their legs can't support them. I don't want anything to do with meat from animals that haven't had a decent life.
LanceFogg
29th Feb 2020
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I think a key issue is what we, as a country, are prepared to accept. Now it is possible that vested interests may not provide the best solution, i.e. either UK farmers may successfully lobby for high standards which will push up the price or a trade deal with USA will include some relaxation to their standards which could lower food costs.
Which do you want? Looking at the overall result of the response to this question it would appear that most of those who have responded are against the import of chlorinated chicken. How much that has been generated by outspoken media is difficult to tell but it may well result in higher prices. Are you prepared to pay the increase?
The Americans love their chicken to be "corn fed" giving the cooked meat a distinctly yellow appearance whereas UK chicken is almost white. This is not to be confused with the process of chlorination.
Personally, if chlorinated chicken is permitted to be imported, then I would peruse the shop shelves until I found some that was labelled "Reared in UK" as I prefer to support our own farming industry.
Greyfalcon
29th Feb 2020
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At present I buy British raised chicken and will continue to do so. If and when chlorinated chickens hits our supermarkets, consumers should abstain from buying it, this will send message back to the supermarkets and the importers that chlorinated chicken is not desired despite price advantage. Hopefully this will make overseas producers comply with the British standards, however, this may not be accomplished without incurring additional costs, for example setting up whole new way of processing chickens, and making product noncompetitive.
Saltyseas
29th Feb 2020
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When I was at School in the mid 1950's I was the only pupil that suffered with Asthma.
In my lifetime I have witnessed a substantial rise of Asthma cases alongside many new forms of allergic reactions to food, as well as learning difficulties such as ADHD etc. I my lifetime I have also seen the demise of the corner shop and the rise of the supermarkets.

We in this country have legislative standards that govern how our food is processed, what is sprayed on our crops and the chemicals our livestock are exposed to, we may not all agree with these standards but in the main their intent is a positive one.

Many countries do not have such standards or come anywhere near these standards and it is therefore paradoxical that a large proportion of food is being imported from these countries by the multi national conglomerates and being sole for our digestion.

Is the rise in this countries health issues and the substantial increase in the level of food imports coincidence or is there a correlation between the two. My opinion is that importing food from the US that has been treated in this way will most likely add fuel to the fire.
JK Worthing
28th Feb 2020
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I think it would be a very big mistake if chlorinated chicken and hormone-treated beef was imported from the USA. It would be detrimental to people's health. Why should the poorest of our society (due to the cheaper price) have food which doesn't meet our present British standards? Place British farmers at risk of loosing their livelihood? Why is it even being considered?
Lionel
28th Feb 2020
4
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I spent 25 years in livestock farming in Britain. I can tell you with all authority all, yes all. British beef has been growth promoter/hormone treated since at least 1975! I was one of very many who applied the growth promoter cartridge to a calf's ear.

If you want naturally grown beef, presumably raised on grass, then be prepared to pay many times the current price.

I could raise a full size beef animal in 9 months with growth promoters, but on grass it's three and a half to four years to grow.

I don't know of a country which supplies the UK which doesn't use hormone growth promoters on their beef, chicken, lamb and pork.
VeronicaD1
28th Feb 2020
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Bring back the 'I'm backing Britain' campaign we had in the 60s and 70s!
LeighS56
28th Feb 2020
1
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Absolutely not apart from the need to support our own farmers chlorinated chicken is awful. I know this from living in the USA for 14 years. There was always a strange smell to the chicken. It smelt as though it was going bad. We ate quite a lot of it though. It was that or eat beef which had hormones in it!
HelenF5
28th Feb 2020
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I can’t believe anyone has voted no, if this happens I will never eat chicken again unless I can source where it’s from.
sparrer
28th Feb 2020
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Whoops sorry I meant to click green thumbs up. I wouldn't eat it either.
brianborofan
28th Feb 2020
2
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my feeling is that if this stuff was imported people wouldn't buy it anyway.
VeronicaD1
28th Feb 2020
2
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The trouble is, probably most people, don't have any idea what they are putting into their trolleys. I always look for the 'tractor' before I buy. I no longer buy breaded frozen chicken because none of the supermarkets have British chicken. This often takes more time and people just don't want to spend time looking.
Fibee22
28th Feb 2020
7
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We should be using out own resources for food. We have fantastic farmers that need supporting.
EvelynS5
28th Feb 2020
6
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We should support our own farmers. USA can keep their meat, they don't import enough from us !
viking
28th Feb 2020
2
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Excuse me for repeating myself, but so many people have been eating chicken from China and have not complained at all in this thread !
Once that chicken is covered with spicy bread crumbs from one of the fast food chains, who knows if it came from China or USA.
There seems to be much hypocrisy on the subject.
It is worth repeating again that a label on a chicken marked "British chicken" does not mean that it has been born and bred in the UK, it means that it has been prepared here, and may have been reared in China or Poland or Holland.and then exported to the UK for pairing down and packaged for the shops.
clara
29th Feb 2020
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I buy all my meat from my local butcher. I know the source and am happy to pay a little more for good food. It also helps my local shops.
MrsH.
29th Feb 2020
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Unless you Only buy from a known Butcher and never buy ready prepared takeaway type meals. I only eat what I know is made here, reared or grown here, and lived a good life prior to correct slaughtering practices. As a butchers daughter I know what I like and exactly what I want. I was taught by a man at the top of his trade until his untimely passing through illness completely unassociated with his business. Is there anything I left out!??! Haha! What it basically means is knowledge is key. I own one!
ShirleyE57
28th Feb 2020
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Even if chlorinated chicken was allowed to be imported, I think consumers would have enough sense to buy British. I know I would!
P1946
28th Feb 2020
1
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Adds to sterilisation of products
Tr1sh
28th Feb 2020
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The problems is that chickens are washed in chlorine and other chemicals in order to kill harmful microorganisms (ie salmonella) as a result of poor standards on poultry farms. Why import chickens from countries which do not adhere to the same standards as UK farmers are obliged to?
LindaR88
28th Feb 2020
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Why do we need to import chicken , especially from USA. ? Surely our farmers can supply our supermarket chain ! I would not buy if it stayed it’s from USA
In the early 70s we had to buy British as our economy was low the pound was low so to compensate we had to buy british we need to do this once more !!
roseinfrance
28th Feb 2020
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If it is not permitted in UK why should it be imported from US! If the animals are correctly treated and slaughtered there should be no need for this practice.
Justjohn
28th Feb 2020
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i cannot think of anything more horrid than eating chicken which has been bleached to remove bacteria . my stomach is turning just thinking about it
DesM
28th Feb 2020
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Disagree. By importing this from the USA is supporting their substandard care of these birds. Also there is the environmental issue of transporting them thousands of miles. Finally what’s wrong with investing in increasing our own chicken production?
MrsH.
28th Feb 2020
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The treatment of these creatures prior to culling is disgusting, and those who inflict that level of cruelty should be ashamed of their actions. For no other reason than this, we should refuse all chicken and chicken products, until these poor creatures are kept in a better environment and fed appropriately to their proper diet. Bulking agents making them grow too fast, and too fat, is a horrendous way of treating them. In 21st century civilised society this should not be happening - Ever.
yo
29th Feb 2020
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Totally agree MrsH. No one needs to eat chicken to survive, plenty of alternative foods.
Ykennedy
28th Feb 2020
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There is absolutely nothing wrong with chlorinated chicken. Spain wash their salads in chlorine, but there are no uprisings about that. Would rather have chlorinated chicken than salmonella. It has just been politicised by left wing anti-American labour activists, who are doing everything they can to try to scupper a trade deal with the US. Those who shout loudest are not necessarily speaking the truth.
jeanmark
28th Feb 2020
4
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Actually Kennedy, there is a great deal wrong with the reason behind chlorinated chicken. Chlorine is part of a processing method that makes up for poorer welfare standards on poultry farms that have sacrificed hygiene for increased production. Chicken is washed with chlorine and other chemicals to kill off harmful microorganisms, such as salmonella, that may be present on carcasses. We have higher standards of hygiene and welfare to reduce the need for such practice preferring not to introduce such chemicals into our food chain.
Ykennedy
29th Feb 2020
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The majority of chickens in the U.K. are raised in intensive industrial farming conditions, with almost 800 livestock US type mega farms throughout the country. Nearly every county in England has at least one industrial-scale livestock farm. Whilst not condoning poor animal welfare, it is hypocrisy for the UK to criticise and ban the import of chlorinated chicken on the basis of animal welfare. As I said, this has been highly politicised by the anti-US left.
jeanmark
29th Feb 2020
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I am not anti-US left but still have concerns about accepting lower food standards than we have at present. Fortunately I can source locally reared chicken, Scottish beef and Welsh reared lamb.
MaryP25
28th Feb 2020
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We should not accept imported food of any kind that is produced to lower standards than home produced food. Quite apart from the health aspect, accepting food produced to lower standards will undercut and ultimately destroy our own farming industry. We must support our own farmers, and increase, not decrease, the high standards that have developed here, and in Europe.
rainbow17
27th Feb 2020
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Although I am not a meat-eater, I will buy & cook for when family come to stay. Because I so rarely buy it, I am able to splash out & buy English meat - a) to support our farmers and b) because I think we (hopefully) treat our animals with a little more respect than some other countries do. The country whose meat I would totally avoid would be America though - if nothing else they give their animals far too many antibiotics and chlorinated chicken?? that's just not natural!
No idea
27th Feb 2020
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We should support our Farmers
AngyR
27th Feb 2020
9
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I think we should let our farmers supply our meat.We have better standards and hoping animals are treated better.Don't think America should profit from Brexit until they pay their taxes for Starbucks etc.
Philippa17
27th Feb 2020
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I wouldn’t knowingly buy or eat any meat imported from America. Our own farmers struggle to keep going and deserve our full support.
blackbeard
27th Feb 2020
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I value the work our farmers do for us and I value my health. I would not knowingly buy or eat American chicken
MagsM3
27th Feb 2020
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That’s just disgusting. I wouldn’t eat it if it was free.
DaveS64
27th Feb 2020
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EU food standards are much better than those in the US, we should stick to our current standards. I think the only reason that the US wants to export their chlorinated chicken is so they don't have to eat it themselves.
Romadog
27th Feb 2020
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We have high animal welfare standards in UK and if we import meat simply because it is cheap then it will put our farmers out of business.
JacquieB1
27th Feb 2020
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we need to support our own farmers and not buy produce from other countries that we can supply our own people with, this is not necessary. Also other countries do not have the same standards that we have where food is concerned. We need to be careful.
Chrismlucas
27th Feb 2020
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If imported, it would have to go through checks . The choice is yours people , if you don't want to eat it then don't buy it!
TrudyLS
27th Feb 2020
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Having been to the USA and eaten chlorinated chicken (I presume) and suffered no ill effects I don't see a problem. But, I only buy British meat anyway
Plum44
27th Feb 2020
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I understood that the reason they chlorinate their chicken is because their hygiene standards are lower than in the UK! Does that mean they could be diseased? I wouldn’t want to risk it!
Juliemacrae
27th Feb 2020
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During the winter each year we sail from Florida to the Bahamas, so we stick up our freezer in the USA . The American consumer is also fussy about its meat and there are clearly labelled choices stating non hormone fed, grass fed and free range in abundance. That’s more than I’ve seen in the uk. I understand also that their chicken is acid washed as is chicken from this side of the world. As for stating that the animals or chickens are reared in appalling conditions- I’ve seen many articles on the internet about just this in the uk. You also see far more free range cattle in the USA than you do in the uk. So I think a lot of what we’re reading is media scaremongering and not all factual. Neither is it comparing like with like,
ritso
27th Feb 2020
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Despite their protestations to the contrary, I am worried that this government will go ahead accept this and similar things in the name of 'any trade deal' is what they need and all in the name of profit. In the recent past we have seen problems in the USA with GM crops and the effect of human consumption of animals treated with growth promoters,etc. The cost to humans takes a back seat to profit.
Carol6
27th Feb 2020
5
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Dont buy it. Easy. As long as it is labelled. Buy british meat from animals that have been humanely slaughtered. I dont agree with Halal meat r and I dont buy that . That should be banned by the Government. But consumers do have a choice no one is going to force people to buy chlorinated chicken.
viking
27th Feb 2020
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The threads are very entertaining to read on this subject. How many of the "disgusting practice" would really know if they were eating chicken from USA if it was covered in spicy breadcrumbs ?
Rumours are often very misleading, having seen and read about the origins of chicken in fast food outlets in this country which come from China with a worse record of husbandry than USA, exactly who is kidding who here ??
GwenH79
27th Feb 2020
7
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Buy British chicken and support our farmers.
GailF1
27th Feb 2020
7
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Support British farmers.
HappyHippie
27th Feb 2020
8
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British farmers struggle, why would we buy meat from abroad,and it can hardly be sold as fresh chicken or beef if its got jet lag.. Maybe the government are getting a good incentive to do this, and you never know, maybe they would be able to give themselves a good pay rise.. This makes me so angry!!!!!
SheilaE56
27th Feb 2020
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We should be supporting British farmers, I also think if we are not allowed to chemically treat our meat then we shouldn't be eating it. I suppose the easy answer would be just dont buy it!
MargaretH93
27th Feb 2020
1
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If a trade deal is struck it should be clearly stated on the front of the packaging. I only buy organic local meat for myself but my dog only likes cheap Iceland chicken drumsticks - she is raw food fed - and I would not like to feed her chlorinated chicken either
MummyMunslow
27th Feb 2020
2
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Don’t buy it whatever the price!
AnthonyH
27th Feb 2020
2
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Just don't buy it.
Dylans Slave
27th Feb 2020
2
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I just don't buy meat in supermarkets. I have always been fortunate that I have lived with access to a butcher's shop and that's where I buy meat.
ela7ne
27th Feb 2020
5
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This would be a retrograde step in food standards and one I’m not willing to accept. All the meat consumed in our household is traceable back to source. Yes it costs more but it’s worth it. I think the question to get asked us why chicken from the US needs to be chlorinated.
JuneN42
27th Feb 2020
3
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I can honestly say that I would become vegetarian if such manipulated meat products were to become the norm in the UK. The food standards here have always been high and now, since Brexit, it's becoming all about more money for the rich, not health for the population. I certainly won't be buying this crap.
PaulJohn1
27th Feb 2020
1
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If we are not able to impose an outright ban then the labelling needs to be clear so that people can make up their own minds and vote with their wallets.
jane63c
27th Feb 2020
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Ask yourself why they feel the need to do this? My understanding is that hygiene standards in food production in the US are poor, food poisoning cases are proportionally higher. We should only import from places who have the same standards, or higher, than we do. Better still support UK farmers. Food prices will rise but we can look at eating less meat and maybe more beans, pulses etc for our cheaper protein sources.
tedscott54
27th Feb 2020
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Quite honestly I'm astonished that as many as 17% are currently happy to accept this rubbish from the US. What in heavens is wrong with people?
CarolP8
27th Feb 2020
4
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Definitely don’t want chlorinated meat of any sort! The meat obviously isn’t good enough to be eaten if it’s got to be washed in “bleach”!
Yodama
26th Feb 2020
2
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I would not eat chlorinated chicken by choice, my supermarket Tesco has vowed not to stock chlorinated chicken.
However, we do swim in chlorine, drink tap water doused in it and goodness knows what else they put chlorine in.
Maybe we will become de-sensitised to the chlorine smell and would happily chomp on chlorinated chicken without knowing the difference.
Lionel
26th Feb 2020
3
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Surely if our meat products are in such a dreadful condition they need to be washed in chlorine, or lactic acid as is used in the EU there must be something wrong with either them or the processing.
Yodama
26th Feb 2020
3
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Now and then there have been reports of dodgy meat being foisted on the public. Christmas turkeys that were off and ruined many people's Christmas. Reports of supermarket chicken tasting like bleach...
Yes our meat is being tampered with by food suppliers all the time and all for profit.
The regulators need regulating.
Lionel
26th Feb 2020
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Yagala
26th Feb 2020
2
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I would think twice before I even would buy it, let alone prepare to eat it.
Why do we need chlorinated chicken meat when we can have natural (?) in this country and what do the chickens think being chlorinated one way or other?
Nonniebarb
26th Feb 2020
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One would hope to trust our Government to put the health of our children first, not use unsuitable food as some sort of trading tactic to curry favour with the USA....WAKE up Government ...,,,,.surely we could raise enough chicken in this counrty and help our own producers. Remembering farmers in this country need as much help as we can give them.
Reynard
26th Feb 2020
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With all the back slapping & the old pals act going on it’s inevitable that we will be forced to accept it there is so much corruption in politics I will be very surprised that we haven’t already got it in our food chain unfortunately big business & politics go hand in hand always have always will
LanceFogg
26th Feb 2020
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I still want to know exactly what is the problem with chlorinated chicken? Why do the Americans use the technique as a preferred method of treating chicken meat and why does the EU find fault with the treatment?
Notice I referred to the EU because it was EU legislation that we were bound to adhere to when we banned the import of chlorinated chicken. Now we are free to make our own decisions, I think the subject needs to be reviewed.
Lionel
26th Feb 2020
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Lance, there are bucket loads of things that will need to be reviewed. The question is, will commercial and financial interests outweigh best practice and consumer demand. Time will tell.
Lifemask
27th Feb 2020
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The chicken are chlorinated because the conditions in which they live are bad and much lower than the conditions which are required in the EU. So it’s a matter of unfair competition for British farmers and welfare standards for the chicken. Chlorine itself is not dangerous.
Billythequiche
26th Feb 2020
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The knee-jerk reaction is NO!!!! A more considered one would be, only after testing by government labs. For all those who have not given it much consideration until the publicity, do a little research into the provenance of cheap chicken and chicken products. Do not be fooled by "made in UK or product of GB". It is the source of the chicken you seek, very often China.
Lionel
26th Feb 2020
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The same may be said of most of the meat sold in UK. Under EU regulations, under which we still operate, any meat may be reared and slaughtered (produced,' just anywhere and providing its butchered or packed in the UK may be sold as 'produced in UK.'

At least a tin or corned beef is honestly labelled: Produce of Argentina, or Brasil.

Remember Aylesbury Ducks of years ago? The brand exists but I'm reliably informed the animals may be reared anywhere and sold as Aylesbury by the brand holder.
viking
26th Feb 2020
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Unfortunately the USA will beat our trade negotiators with the big stick, and will force the UK to accept chlorinated meat otherwise the Uk will not get the "goodies" the USA will offer in the package.
Negotiators with no backbone will be forced into a corner. The chicken and other meats will arrive in the UK and will find it's way into the food chain via the fast food outlets who serve up heavily coated bread crumbed spicy pieces much as now. No one will be the wiser, until a newspaper reporter writes an expose on the matter.
Wipeout
26th Feb 2020
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If you have ever eaten Chicken in the USA without all of the fried chicken spices or jerk spices added, it really does not taste like chicken (as we Brits know it) it has a bitter taste.
I am against importing this rubbish and would even lead a campaign to support our British farmers.

Signed: Concerned from Somerset
Wilf
26th Feb 2020
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Buy British I say. WE need to support our own British Farmers especially if they are letting their chickens out and wondering about and enjoying life and fresh air etc. That has got be better for us then "p[astic chickens"...poor things.
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26th Feb 2020
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Wilf
26th Feb 2020
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It has to be Enchanted7Dandelion-now we are out of the EU we need to look after our own! and our farmers are critical-enough of 25p per lamb they need decent wages
Lionel
26th Feb 2020
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Yes, Wilf. Exactly. Name the farmer and farm on the packaging with contact details.

Sadly I can't agree entirely agree about chicken being free range. The amount of available land required for all free range chicken, truly free range raised out doors and not reared in vast hangars without seeing daylight and yet labelled free range, is beyond this country's means. We just don't have that much suitable land.

I would most certainly like to see all farm livestock reared as it should be, in a more natural fashion, but because of consumer demand it just won't happen.
Lionel
26th Feb 2020
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Absolutely agree about wages Wilf. Perhaps then farmers would pay their workers a living wage!
Wilf
26th Feb 2020
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Lionel I know you have a farming background so I will bow to your expertise but I would say 2 things. One we should eat less meat and thus rear fewer animals. two as I drive/go by train etc there are vast amounts of fallow grass just doing nothing-surely they could be used better by allowing chicken farms, pig farms etc where the animals can roam free and wild. They would be happy-we would be healthy-its a win win!
Wilf
26th Feb 2020
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They should do Lionel-If we did not have food we would soon all be moaning. Decent food for a decent price.
Lionel
27th Feb 2020
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I'm not the last word on farming, Wilf, but I'll do my best.

We must first distinguish between two types of landowners. The first are agri-businessmen. These people rape the land and milk subsidies/CAP for every penny, no matter the ultimate cost to either consumer or worse, the land.

The second is farmers, which in a sense is what I was although I didn't own land. Husbandmen, having a lifelong love affair with the land, its crops and livestock. They cherish their countryside as we men could cherish our wives. Romantic, fanciful, yes both, but very true.

The agri-businessmen may now grow their quota of grain or rapeseed on smaller acreages and are very willing to accept a CAP subsidy to release spare land for 'set-aside.' In fact CAP set-aside subsidies have greater value than any crops or livestock which could be grown on set-aside.

After a couple of years unattended land becomes moribund with weeds - one years seeds is seven years weeds. True! To recover that set-aside land into productivity requires an enormous expenditure of herbicide, diesel and man power. The first three years of cropping will be weak and unsaleable. (Just bye the bye, just turning out a few pigs to root and clean the land would do a far better job than herbicides and be low cost/ high value pork. Sadly, the EU doesn't allow that on a commercial farm).

The true farmer would not enter into set aside, knowing the outcome. He would grass it and graze livestock or cut hay for sale ... anything reasonable to maintain a natural soil structure and fertility.

And the last word ... Some of the elderly Yorkshire Dales farmers, small holders, the like of which featured in the Herriot TV programmes - ran a seven year rotation, and their land was immensely productive. The agri-businessman who owns the land at the bottom of my garden runs a 3 year rotation. Wheat, barley and rapeseed. The EU gives him a hefty bonus for doing that, but his soil is dead! Quite useless without immense quantities of artificial fertiliser and herbicide.
Wilf
28th Feb 2020
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Very interesting Lionel-a bit like the medieval crop rotation of old. I do see sheep on wheat fields around here. What is the 7 year rotation?
Lionel
28th Feb 2020
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The seven year rotation will vary according to soil type, length of growing seasons and therefore the part of the country. Also the type of livestock and numbers on the farm.

Here in the East in my childhood it was:

Year 1: Wheat
Year2: Potatoes/sugar beet
Year3: Barley
Year 4: Root vegetable like carrots or turnips/swedes/mangolds for stock feed
Year 5: Fallow - either ploughed and left unplanted or just left alone after harvest
Year 6: Grass crop either ploughed in the following year or mown for hay/grazed
Year 7: Surface vegetable, Cabbage, Broccoli etc.,

Please bear in mind, a farm with larger numbers of pigs and cattle would have two mangold crops or maybe three if one =could follow say a cereal as a cash crop. But you'll notice the variety of crops grown and therefore each crop puts into the soil different trace elements which are almost non-existent in the present rotation.
Wilf
28th Feb 2020
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Thanks Lionel and very interesting. Presumably, the roots are ploughed back into the ground at the end of the season?
Lionel
28th Feb 2020
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No, the roots are harvested for human consumption, apart from Mangolds which are fed to pigs and cattle.
Wilf
28th Feb 2020
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Interesting -So the goodness into the soil is imparted via the roots of the vegetables into the soil. The main constituent I presume is nitrogen?
Lionel
28th Feb 2020
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Yes, nitrogen is the main constituent closely followed by phosphorus and potassium; these three make up artificial fertiliser.

In a 3, 5 or 7 year rotation farm muck is spread, as you know well. But also pigs would be turned out on fallow (uncultivated land) doing the work of a plough as well as finding and eating weed roots. No need for herbicide there.

There is a symbiotic relationship between crops and soil. Peas, for example, have nodules of nitrogen on their roots. Left to decay over winter worms, nematodes and other soil dwelling creatures eat and convert these and other plant remains leaving fertility suitable for next year's crops. Between crops and worms/nematodes and natural decay trace elements are sourced from soil, processed and made available for another year's crops, and thereby for us to consume.

It is the supplanting of a complete natural process with short term, oil derived basic artificial fertilisers that deprives soil of its flora and fauna and us of those very trace elements we need for health and vitality. Such soil is 'dead.'

Cereals require a high nitrogen soil whilst in the early stages of growth. They're productive indeed if they follow peas. And so the cycle goes on.

In terms of productivity it has been demonstrated many times five acres of good land managed on a 7 year rotation as above will yield 10 - 20 times the crops harvested from 'dead' soil. A salutary thought in terms of feeding our island population.
Wilf
29th Feb 2020
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Many thanks for this information Lionel really really interesting-Maybe we should get in with the natural rhythms of the earth again. This new virus shows what happens when we deviate from that!
Margaret Hart
26th Feb 2020
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When we import food it should come up to our standards and
Chlorinated chicken does not and I certainly not be buying it. If I can get it I prefer Home reared chicken but otherwise it must be British.. I would rather not eat chicken than eat chlorinated.
Wilf
26th Feb 2020
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I totally agree Margaret-why would we eat Chlorine? It makes no sense at all.
Retiredyorkie
26th Feb 2020
8
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Why import from the US whats wrong with our own British Meat.
swaneldo
26th Feb 2020
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Have all our farmers gone bust?! We never promote our own farmers who produce lovely meat / veg. I buy all my meat online from a good quality butcher who is supplied by UK farmers - it's slightly more expensive, but the quality, freshness and taste is unbelievable. I never buy meat from the supermarket now. Buying direct from our own farms is more cost effective as everything is fresh; every bit eaten; and no waste. I stock up the freezer; eat my way through it; stock up again. Support our own farmers as much as possible.
MrsPat
26th Feb 2020
4
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Who on earth wants to eat chlorinated chicken? I cannot think of anything worse. We should be eating locally produced British free range chickens. They may cost a little more but how can we want to eat a poor bird from a shed in American dunked in chlorine?

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