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Do you want another EU Referendum?

The Liberal Democrats say they are the only party that will give the people a chance to change Britain’s future by holding a referendum on the final Brexit deal with the option to remain in the European Union.

They say this will be the only opportunity for the British public to reject a ‘hard’ Brexit that means leaving the single market, ending freedom of movement and abandoning the customs union.

The party is making a direct pitch to the 48% of voters who backed remain but also calculates that it will also appeal to disappointed leave voters who never signed up for a hard Brexit.

What are your views?  Would you like to have another referendum? Would you change the way your voted first time around? 

Do you want another EU Referendum?

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pamjreynolds
1 days ago
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No I think we should get on with Brexit
scandiman
5 days ago
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We voted to leave EU. The idea of hard and soft Brexit has been dreamed up by politicians. This is an attempt to subvert the result. There was no mention of this before the referendum. We're leaving EU and all its ramifications, full stop. This is typical of politicians, make something more complicated than it needs to be. I predict we'll end up with nothing less than a capitulation to what EU wants. Total farce as usual. Oh for a politician with some spine!
Roof Top Crow
29th May 2017
1
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The people who voted to leave and the people who voted to remain made a democratic decision to end our membership of the EU. It was a simple proposal, without any details, we either stayed in membership or we ended membership.

The possible costs to the UK both economically and socially of not being in EU membership are now starting to emerge. However negotiations have yet to start, and we have no idea of what sort of agreement we will get with the 27 other countries of the EU.

When we know what it will really mean to the UK by not being a member of the EU then surely we should follow the principles of democracy and let the voting public decide if we should leave or remain.
Yodama
9th Jun 2017
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Waves high enough in your stormy seas RTC?
Wait for the Tsunami to come.
Roof Top Crow
9th Jun 2017
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Just like millions of other voters I watched this Conservative debacle with amazement.
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Listening and watching the political journalists today, it seems that just like me, they have no idea what will happen.
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Tsunami warning signs include, high waves, sea level fluctuations and sea water receding from the normal shoreline. It leaves fish and other sea life exposed and dying. Birds and other land animals often rush to higher ground. The Tsunami arrives with a very large roar and changes everything it touches.
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Maybe what we are experiencing are the high waves and the sea water receding prior to the Tsunami arrival. Comparing our MP’s to fish and sea life seems appropriate.
snoopy2015
5th Jun 2017
1
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so you are surrendering our country to the germans who are the real masters of the EU leaving is about more than cost (money ) millions died for our freedom please accept the majority came out in favour stop thinking money look at greece france holland all under the jackboot britain having to keep hook and many others on benefits because we cannot deport we had the vote we cannot keep voting every year until it suits its done lets progress
Roof Top Crow
5th Jun 2017
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My point is very basic. We are starting to see that leaving the EU will have very few benefits for the UK both socially and economically.
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When we know the true cost of leaving the EU and we have accurate and logical information, what is the downside of asking us again. ?
Lionel
6th Jun 2017
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Rooftop. have you become one of those detestable remoaners? If you have then you've gone way down in my quite high estimation of you.

To hold a second referendum would set a dangerous precedent. Thereafter an election result wouldn't be binding, no, it would be subject to a second and possibly third vote. The Poison Pixie north of the border is already threatening a third independence referendum if she doesn't get the result she wants. Multiple votes on the same subject is a typical EU tactic - refer Ireland over the Lisbon Treaty.

A majority decision prevails. No ifs, no buts, to quote a lame duck Tory Prime Minister. If Corbyn is our next Prime Minster I presume you would call for a second vote. But what would happen in your mind if he was returned with a bigger majority? Another General Election?

Rooftop, I'm well aware you schooled yourself in negotiating tactics; schooled yourself in getting your way. But in electoral terms the majority vote is final. The Referendum vote was out; numerically by quite a large margin. That's it.

During our long debate last year, which I loved, I don't believe I ever suggested there wouldn't be a cost to Brexit. Of course there will be a cost. We will pay that cost, along with our children, but our grand children will fly into a freedom you and I have not known.

As I look at my step grand children, whom I have raised, I know I voted for them.
Roof Top Crow
7th Jun 2017
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There is no such thing as a final election. In our democratic society we regularly vote. We cast our votes based on the past performance of the sitting government, and what we want for the future.
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I know I am repeating myself, but when we know the true cost of leaving the EU and we have accurate and logical information, what is the downside of asking us again. ?
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It is now very obvious that many of the people who voted to leave believe that when the true costs of leaving the EU are known, then the majority of the UK would vote to stay.
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It may of course be possible that even knowing the true cost of leaving the EU the UK population would still vote to leave.
Trudy Begg
5th Jun 2017
1
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Not that old chestnut, people died all over Europe and beyond....move on and stop looking at the wars but at the future. If this vote had been an educated vote with the truth being told and people knowing what they were voting for perhaps the vote would be different.
I object to being called a 'Remoaner'. It appears the playground name calling still exists ever when we are silver haired. As I have no grandchildren at least I know when I shove off this mortal coil I know I was not part of those people that screwed our country up. The young are angry at the older generation for selling them out and I for one agree with them.
Also to be said I am of German descent and object to the slur of 'Jackboot'....again the need to use racist slurs are just what you leavers believed.
No I will accept the slight misguided majority wishes and watch this fascist government screw us over without the safety net of unity with other nations.
Lionel
6th Jun 2017
1
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Trudi, I am of Polish Jewish descent. Well over a hundred years ago my family left Poland because of a pogrom in which our little Schtetle community was all but anhilated. Very few of my family escaped.

Many years later those who remained in Poland and bred were ... I think you know what I mean.

I think with that very brief biography you may understand why the use of the term jackboot is offensive to me too. But for different reasons. And for those reasons I don't wish to see, won't see, jackboots on this English soil which gave my ancestors a refuge, and that before Benefits.

Nor do I wish my adopted country to be a part of a Europe utterly dominated by Germany. Poland knows about that situation as does another people with whom I have a family contact - Czech Republic.

Great Britain prospered greatly to become the greatest empire the world has ever seen, and that without the aid of Europe.

Further. I don't think the millions of war dead and maimed may be tossed away with 'that old chestnut.' Good turn of phrase in English but quite inappropriate useage. Says a lot.
Roof Top Crow
5th Jun 2017
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Well said Trudy. The word misguided is very accurate.
biker babe
27th May 2017
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Rats know when to desert a sinking ship, same with the eu, im NOT european im English, so no
Out means Out!
Irene88
27th May 2017
2
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Remainers or remoaners should accept democracy, the systems not perfect but it is what we have. The people have spoken. The EU is a terrific waste of money and bureaucracy. Many countries dont even follow the laws they make.

I studied EU politic at uni back in 1996-99 it was obviou then that it didn'r work with 15 countries involved how can you get 27 countries to agree with alll their financial and coultural differences. That's why it takes so long and cost so much for them to agree on anything.

I could give numerous examples but it would make pretty depressing reading.
time for change
26th May 2017
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I worked hard for the Leave campaign whereas the Remain campaign were arrogant, treated the voters with contempt, attempted to bully the voters & felt that the British would vote to stay.
Not once on the campaign trail did I see anyone from the Remain campaign out on the streets or knocking on doors putting forward their case to remain. I came across a remainer who asked me were the people from the remain campaign were & I said 'I don't know'. he went in doors & put up a Leave poster.
Now many argue that those who voted leave didn't know what they voted for, well sorry to disappoint most did & I was taken aback on the Polling Stations the number of people who turned to vote who had not either voted for years or not voted at all, this time they felt that there vote counted. Now we could argue that many who voted to stay didn't know what they voted for. Some of the comments I got when I asked those who wanted to remain & asked them why they replied with 'well we have always been in it' & I would say do you know what it means to be in the eu, to only be told 'no'.
And then those morons who went protesting 'shame on you', well I say this. its called DEMOCRACY & shame on them for not getting their vote out. And ask yourselves this, if the Leave campaign had lost & we went marching down the streets shouting 'shame on you' what would the remainers say? Well, the British people have spoken & it was a democratic vote. So, no we had our say the Leavers won & the remainers lost. End of story.
CassandraE
23rd May 2017
1
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We Voted to leave the EU as a nation we decided that was by far the best option for this United Kingdom I am tired of the media trying to manipulate the British public because the outcome was not to their liking. Might be time to put a gag order on those who just cannot leave well alone. We are all adults we know how to think for ourselves involving Children in a Grown up conversation always leads to tantrums. Time we stopped listening to the doom and gloom and got on with living with what we have 🙂
Brenmau
22nd May 2017
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For goodness sake how many times are they wanting us to vote....its not the best of three the only ones 'banging' on about it are the people wanting to remain.

I personally can't see why it will take so long to leave....lets get on with it, many are making it all doom and gloom....and how on earth do we know whats going to happen anyway even if we stayed in!!
Matilda1
22nd May 2017
1
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The majority of the nation voted to leave and that result should be respected.
Dianelily
22nd May 2017
1
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I find it unbelievable that we had a referendum and now people who didn't like the result want another one. So our votes don't count if they don't like the result.
Nigel was the only one worth listening to and said it how it is. Bring him back
VeraS
20th May 2017
2
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Isnt it amazing how when Nigel spoke about immigration he was racist but not so Theresa May what do you say about that Lionel? give me NIGEL FARAGE any day
Lionel
20th May 2017
1
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Vera, I was with, and still am with Nigel Farage. He took his life into his own hands to bring some sense to this country. It was he who single handedly brought out this referendum and we owe him a debt of gratitude.

Yes, he was slagged off as a racist for talking about immigration, but what do you expect from a super PC population who follow the herd?

Nigel's perseverence broke the waters, so to speak, so we may a little more freely talk about immigration.
VeraS
20th May 2017
1
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Same as foxhunting already had vote!!!! and it was leave!!!! after the election will we have another vote for those whose votes didn't win think not
TheaH
20th May 2017
1
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The EU will fall apart soon and we will end up picking up the pieces as usual. Half the members are verging on bankruptcy!
Fussyhousewife
19th May 2017
1
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What is wrong with this country? We were always strong and had "bulldog"" spirit. Do we really want to look like the idiots the EU have decided we are? I voted out and I will continue to want out and I was confident that we live in a democracy and that my vote counted regardless of the outcome.
Littlegpd
19th May 2017
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Why would anyone want to have another vote, don't they understand democracy
scandiman
19th May 2017
1
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I can't recall a time when there has been so much division in society. Old vs. Young, Remain vs. Leave. Each side shouting at the other.
I am so thoroughly hacked off with this never-ending bickering, I'm not logging on to Silversurfers again. I'm retired and I just want some bloody peace for how ever many years lie in front of me. We voted Leave, we can't change that, so for pity's sake, get on with it.
Lionel
20th May 2017
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Scandiman, I too am tired of the state of this nation. Full of weaklings who only want their own way.

But truth must be fought for, even if it is on SS, and I will pursue the right and shout down the wrong. Truth and justice must prevail or we are nothing better than a banana republic.

Care to carry on the battle with me?
Trudy Begg
19th May 2017
1
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We were fed a pack of lies about money going to the NHS and scaremongering tactics about immigrants. We need the truth and the full facts.
snoopy2015
5th Jun 2017
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so you say project fear never happened
Yam Yam n proud
19th May 2017
4
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We we not given enough information to make an education decision. It was very much like when we vote in elections.
The only difference between the two is MPs promise but don't follow through.
iestynlad
19th May 2017
5
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And this time let's have an informed decision. If we had known it would cost millions and we still wouldn't limit immigration we may have voted to stay in.
MartinS6
19th May 2017
1
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This election has nothing to do with Brexit, you either have a referendum based on that question (done), or a general election based on sound economic policies and social aspects that put the interests of the entire population first. Leaving the EU will have no beneficial effect while the bankers control the supply of money! They can manipulate the markets and rates, sovereign money removes that power and restores it to the government and the interest savings can then be used to pay for essential services.

Do not be fooled into accepting so-called free trade deals that give large corporations power over the government with clauses that allow them to sue for a perceived loss in closed courts (TTIP) or to privatise the NHS under austerity measures resulting from the move. Can people really afford thousands of pounds to pay for care through medical insurance when existing conditions will be assessed as with travel insurance?
JulieM61
19th May 2017
0
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It shouldn't have anything to do with Brexit but Theresa May has been on TV all day today telling us it is....
GlynysH
19th May 2017
1
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She has consistently made it about Brexit or as she's now known as BlueKip. She's not a great orator she reads constantly from a script and her mantra Strong and Stable comes from Lynton Crozby. She her strings are pulled by Murdoch and the right wing press. She going to the right wing of her party to gain voters from the UKIPPERS as UKIP is a spent partly. Her chancellor will be gone in the new parliament as he's at odds with her.
NigelF4
19th May 2017
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Although I agree with the majority of your post, I disagree that the election has nothing to do with Brexit. It's clear that it's a hot topic and people find it important enough to use it as a basis for their vote.
NigelF4
18th May 2017
2
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As all you Brexiters are fully informed, you know that the EEC was never just a common market, because you've all read the Treaty of Rome which was the basis for it.

Here's a quote from the introduction in case you've forgotten: "HIS MAJESTY THE KING OF THE BELGIANS, THE PRESIDENT OF THE FEDERAL REPUBLIC OF GERMANY, THE PRESIDENT OF THE FRENCH REPUBLIC, THE PRESIDENT OF THE ITALIAN REPUBLIC, HER ROYAL HIGHNESS THE GRAND DUCHESS OF LUXEMBOURG, HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN OF THE NETHERLANDS, DETERMINED to lay the foundations of an ever-closer union among the peoples of Europe, RESOLVED to ensure the economic and social progress of their countries by common action to eliminate the barriers which divide Europe, AFFIRMING as the essential objective of their efforts the constant improvement of the living and working conditions of their peoples, RECOGNISING that the removal of existing obstacles calls for concerted action in order to guarantee steady expansion, balanced trade and fair competition, ANXIOUS to strengthen the unity of their economies and to ensure their harmonious development by reducing the differences existing between the various regions and the backwardness of the less favoured regions, DESIRING to contribute, by means of a common commercial policy, to the progressive abolition of restrictions on international trade, INTENDING to confirm the solidarity which binds Europe and the overseas countries and desiring to ensure the development of their prosperity, in accordance with the principles of the Charter of the United Nations, RESOLVED by thus pooling their resources to preserve and strengthen peace and liberty, and calling upon the other peoples of Europe who share their ideal to join in their efforts, HAVE DECIDED to create a European Economic Community"
Lionel
18th May 2017
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If you believe that lot then of course you'll believe the Koran teaches a peaceful way of life.

I've read the Koran, end to end three times. If you've read all the crepe coming out of Brussels then, of course, you're deluded.
NigelF4
18th May 2017
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What on earth makes you think that your post is in any way relevant to mine? It's just a generic complaint.

How about trying to explain how Brexiters can claim that the EEC was just a common market, when the founding treaty says otherwise?
Lionel
18th May 2017
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How supercillious of you, dear chap.,

I think your present condition precludes any further contact until you've been cured.

Hey Ho!
NigelF4
19th May 2017
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Lol. That's a perfect example of being a seagull.
NigelF4
18th May 2017
1
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Here's a link to the government pamphlet for the first referendum in 1975. Kindly read it before posting your Brexit myths about it just being a common market.: http://www.harvard-digital.co.uk/euro/pamphlet.htm
Blueeye
23rd May 2017
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this brings back memories as i remember voting for the first time back in 75 and voted for the EEC as it was then ,i still believe we should have remained insde the EU as flawed as it is and strived for changed ! I have published similar very well written articles on Fbook and other forums and the similarity where Brexitiers answer with expletives is unbelievable. I have to accept the referendum but i do believe it was held in an uniformed arena by people who were asked to make a an open ended decision the consequences of which could potentially cost us all a lot of money before it has any chance of working.
JohnHerb
18th May 2017
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It was originally just supposed to be the Common Market. That is the issue the EU HQ want it to be a superstate. Why grind us all down to an amorphous mass?
GlynysH
19th May 2017
3
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We are but a small island off the coast off mainland Europe we are no longer an Empire. We are one against 27 that's not great odds. As Trump has said it's jobs for its own and where there are deals he's tending to go to the East. All the noise about countries in Europe going to far Right it didn't materialise and the pro European party's won.
JohnHerb
19th May 2017
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That is the problem it should not be one against 27. Anyway apart from voting rights its nothing like that. Apart from Germany the Uk is the richest economy with France in Europe. Most of the 27 are "tiddlers". We lost our empire 70 years ago. All empires rise and fall. The EU will be the same. Its in its decendency now unfortunately one reason of many is the UK is leaving
JohnHerb
19th May 2017
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That is the problem it should not be one against 27. Anyway apart from voting rights its nothing like that. Apart from Germany the Uk is the richest economy with France in Europe. Most of the 27 are "tiddlers". We lost our empire 70 years ago. All empires rise and fall. The EU will be the same its in its decendency now unfortunately one reason of many is the UK is leaving
JohnHerb
18th May 2017
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It was origionally just supposed to be the Common Market. That is the issue the EU HQ want it to be a superstate. Why grind us all down to an amorphous mass?
NigelF4
18th May 2017
1
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OK, so you didn't read that 1975 pamphlet did you? So why bother commenting on my post?

Here's what you missed:
" The aims of the Common Market are:

To bring together the peoples of Europe.

To raise living standards and improve working conditions.

To promote growth and boost world trade.

To help the poorest regions of Europe and the rest of the world.

To help maintain peace and freedom."

Now how can you claim in all honesty that was just a common market?
Lionel
18th May 2017
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What a miserable, superior individual you are.

You care to instruct this great British people, care to teach us, what we missed.

Sir, I missed nothing in the '75 referendum. I was then, and am now, well aware of what the Common Market would become. I read the Treaty of Rome in the British Library in London.

Here, may I point out, for your deepest consideration, all the points listed above have a'failed' notice beside them. No, not one has come right. Fail, in every sense.

So, I respectfully suggest, you take your salary from the EU and go away. Oh, and don't comment in the Independent, Telegraph or Times.

Your card is marked.
Blueeye
23rd May 2017
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You say his card is marked ,is this some kind of threat?If so then it is totally unnecessary and as i assume as you are on this forum that you are a mature? None of us have to agree with any thing said but we should all respect people opinions as long as they are expressed in a respectful manner ..I thought face book was bad enough !!!
GlynysH
19th May 2017
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You are not to arrogant are you.
NigelF4
18th May 2017
1
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LOL, so the only argument that you have to true
Facts is to get angry, threaten people and insult them. That's so mature isn't it?

And why are you getting on your high horse about a post that wasn't addressed to you? I think that if you look carefully at how you started your post you will see a reflection of yourself there.

Now kindly read my original post and how John herb responded to it, comprehend it and​ see what a pompous individual you look like.

PS I don't get a salary from the EU and have never been employed by it. Try not to reduce the whole world to stereotypes.
JohnHerb
18th May 2017
1
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All noble aims. What it didnt say was have one currency, have one set of MEPs all earning a fortune, have one law between all states. Its a vast bureaucracy and gravy train. Its simply too big. One powerhouse Germany-2 reasonable economies UK & France and most of the PIGS just basket cases. Greece should never have been in there or Portugal. Why are you so worried about the UK leaving? Japan manages quite well so does South Korea as independent nations
Lionel
18th May 2017
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What no one told us was what was to become the EU would be the outcome of a 1943 blueprint developed by Hitler's henchmen.

But, JohnHerb, I think there's at least one supoosedly male member on here who'll disagree. He's already into the personal hate stuff ... us good ole country lads, we give better than we get.

John Herb, it's been very wet here, have you got your veggies in yet?
NigelF4
18th May 2017
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Lol we voted yes in 1975. End off. Oh hang on a sec. It wasn't the end was it? So why should it be the end now that you've got your way?
Lionel
18th May 2017
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It's taken fourty two years to come up with that?

Must be a comprehensive kid.
GlynysH
19th May 2017
1
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You really are the most arrogant man. I think I would rather have been to a comprehensive school at least they teach manners so don't look down on children that attend comprehensive school. You really are a class snob. I know many children who went to private schools and really haven't turned out any better than children from state school.
MillyC
18th May 2017
3
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We have voted NO end of story!!!
NigelF4
18th May 2017
3
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How come the people who claim that a second referendum would be undemocratic have forgotten the first referendum in 1975? After you whined and whinged for forty years to get the second referendum, isn't it a tad hypocritical to now claim that another one would not be democratic?
Orchidlover
18th May 2017
1
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So should we just go on having referenda until you get the result you want? Is there any point in having a referendum at all in that case?
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willex8
18th May 2017
1
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No no no please no
Maztickg
18th May 2017
2
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We voted to leave. That should be it.
jimmyc
18th May 2017
2
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The referendum is over brexit won,cant do re run after re run to get the vote you want especially for a very minor and insignificant party.
Elysian
18th May 2017
4
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We've had a referendum and the vote was leave. We live in a democracy and the majority view of the voters holds sway. You can't keep having votes until you get a result you like!
Madryn
18th May 2017
1
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The electorate needs another Referendum once it has the facts about the Brexit deal, rather than the Boris-Farage fantasy Leavers voted for - some thinking it meant staying in the Single Market as promised by Boris. Others just couldn't stand David Cameron and voted against him and austerity.
Orchidlover
18th May 2017
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We will have even less idea technically about whether we should stay in or out after the negotiations have concluded.
The average person knew very little about Brexit before we voted in the Referendum and we have no idea where we will be after being mauled by the EU. We certainly won't be in a position to make an informed opinion as to what to vote for. We have no option but to trust that this government will do its best for us and if necessary - rather than be humiliated and made to grovel without reason to the EU - we must be prepared to walk away. None of this is to be confused with our home policies with which many disagree, but for the time being we have only one party capable of facing what is coming.
Bentom
18th May 2017
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We could go on like this forever,is it something about democracy they don't understand .
mick2e1hzm
18th May 2017
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Farron is like Clegg with tuition fee's justb trying to jump on a band waggon with the hope of getting elected, even their manifesto has been used before with the penny tax for the NHS
Doll
18th May 2017
1
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I don't understand how we can talk about hard/soft Brexit when we don't know what's available. Surely to say "soft" is giving the EU the impression they can dictate terms.
willowfield1
18th May 2017
3
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We don`t need another referendum
SandieD
18th May 2017
3
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No I don't want to change my leave vote as whether right or wrong our democratically voted in government should decide the laws of England. We are not racist to want to restrict immigration, no one minds people who come to work, what we don't want is an influx of people who just want our handouts and taking our limited housing stocks.
JulieM61
19th May 2017
0
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I totally agree with you about the benefit side of this but our governments past and present decided on that issue. They didn't have to hand out benefits, monetary, housing or otherwise willy nilly, other European countries don't but ours chose to....
Billythequiche
18th May 2017
2
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Really becoming annoyed with Lib Dems, this is worse than their attempts to attach to another party like a parasite. First they offer to legalise proven mental health threatening drugs, now they offer another referendum, sounds like desperation. You cannot abuse a referendum by repeating until you get the result you want.
Jo Kingham
18th May 2017
2
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No! It was leave - lets just get on with it !!
RobertaS
18th May 2017
4
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Of course we need another referendum on the final deal. How do we know what it will be? Voting for Brexit was voting for a pig in a poke and nobody knew the ramifications of that decision. We still don't. If a deal is struck whic doesn't include the single market and the customs union we're in trouble. The markets we were supposed to be able to access boiled down to America (wither Trump?) Philippines (murderous tyrant Duterte) and Saudi Arabia, oh and I think Gambia was interested. Other areas of the world have their own trading blocs who have arrangements with the EU. I have yet to hear a logical and plausible argument for coming out. Older people who voted Leave have the future of their children and grandchildren on their conscience.
DavidK
18th May 2017
0
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When we were given the opportunity to vote on this issue I looked at everything I needed to look at I did not go in blindly I was not persuaded which way to vote I made my mind up all on my own .so when some people say we were not given the facts and figures,I can assure you I did so the vote leave this greedy corrupt bunch of idiots was the easiest decision I have ever had to make
JuliaN4
18th May 2017
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We need a second referendum because in the first one the general public were fed lies and the leave campaign was heavily influenced and funded by people who have their own agenda (as Jenny says; making more money). If we leave the EU we will all suffer financially and most importantly, our children will be left in a more unstable world, with fewer opportunities and living in an increasingly isolationist country. We need to think of the young and the future, Many people are realising what a terrible mistake they made by voting leave and would not vote in that way again, but are made to feel that they must shut up and follow through with it by Teresa May and the bullying rhetoric she uses to ensure that her will is enforced on the people.
JulieM61
18th May 2017
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I should have added that on that basis, yes we most definitely need to vote again on the deal agreed ........
JulieM61
18th May 2017
5
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Hi I don't mean to appear rude but I do not understand why particularly older people who have seen and learnt a bit of history over the years would vote yes to leave when they had absolutely no idea about the outcome of that decision and on what basis it would be implemented. None of us know what we are going to get, at least remaining you knew the basics surely. Btw I am an oldie too...
Yodama
18th May 2017
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By your implication, all those "oldies" who voted to leave were lost in the reverie of the past and were too stupid to glean for themselves whether exiting the EU would have a good or bad outcome?

Rather damning!
I would appreciate your telling the forum exactly how you are privy to information that will ensure voting to stay in would have been the more intelligent thing to do.
JulieM61
19th May 2017
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If you read my post again I wrote that we had absolutely no idea about the outcome of the decision and on what basis it would be implemented should the leave vote win, which was the decision, but I just don't get why anyone that has a fair bit of history to compare it to would risk what we have now for something completely unknown and which in all probability is going to make us all much worse off in so many ways. I also said that we don't know either what the future could hold had we decided to stay in. I
Yodama
19th May 2017
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Yes it is true, no-one has a clue as to whether we will be better off or not. Either side of the argument will eventually lead to the same conclusion.
World wars fought for freedom and etched into the brains of the "oldies" will have a decided impact simply because of the power the EU wields.
When we joined the EEC/EU, ( as you so rightly corrected me) we had no idea either.
We were always able to govern ourselves, we must return to that state.
Lionel
18th May 2017
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Yo, I think you'll find the answer here.

The majority of people haven't voted for very many years. But of a sudden ... yes of a sudden, they are awake, alert and going forward into a battle for which they have no prior knowledge, no background and are actually totally igorant. Like our soldiers at Cressy, lives laid down without knowing why.

None of these people are privvy to special or secret information, it's just suuposition and hearsay. They are the fodder of politicians.

If I may be so bold as to offer a word of advice, just ignore them. They'll go away soon.
JennyL56
18th May 2017
6
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The binary vote was not only flawed but the leave vote was heavily influenced by wealthy international people who have vested interests in making more wealth. The underlying influences are now under investigation. The leave result is clearly not in the nations best interests, and it is most unfortunate that so many people have yet not realised the full implications of their Leave vote. The leave campaign was disingenuous to say the least. We have always had control of our borders for example, and the Home Secretary at the time had power to manage border control, but chose not to. It was evident by the chaotic attempts following the vote to gain some control of the situation that the government had not expected the leave vote to win, however marginally. Since then we, as a populous have been treated as though we are less intelligent than the government, and meaningless platitudes such as 'brexit means brexit' have been used to undermine any debate. It is very disappointing that those of us who have enjoyed over 40 years of peace in our country, chose overwhelmingly to vote leave presumably without care nor thought of our grandchildren and great grandchildren. A referendum for a second time might change the outcome, if it is left long enough many of us will be beyond caring. It was a very sad day for our country when the lemmings jumped.
scandiman
18th May 2017
1
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You don't know why the Leavers voted as they did. Could be that some thought it was best for their children, some for other reasons.
I voted Leave because when the vote was originally tooin the EEC, it was a trade organisation. No-one said anything about 'ever closer political union'. That was applied by stealth. The point about we Brits is that we don't like being dictated to, still less being taken for granted. The EU elite, who we didn't elect, have behaved in a dictatorial fashion. When we are pushed into a corner, we fight back. I object to people like Clegg etc always insisting they know best. At the time of the referendum, nothing was said about it being advisory, nor was this mentioned when we voted for EEC membership. The EU just got too big for its boots. By the way, I'm not a lemming, I'm perfectly capable of making my own mind up. I have never followed the herd.
JulieM61
19th May 2017
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The referendum was passed through Parliament by a lawful bill that stated that it was advisory only and did not need to be adhered to whichever side won. Its all online.
Lionel
19th May 2017
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Here we have a very difficult point. I don't think it's covered in Law or Precedent.

David Cameron said publicly that if the Referendum vote was 'Leave,' then the very next day Article 51 would be invoked. The question is, would that statement be regarded as Law? Is a statement of intent from a sitting Prime Minister binding upon his unelected successor from the same party after his resignation?

Perhaps we should say the Law Lords should be sorting this one out rather ran running after Mrs. Miller!

Oh, and The Referendum result is binding in Law. Just read the text of the Bill.
NigelF4
18th May 2017
3
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Not the old "it was only a common market" myth. It's quite clear from the Treaty of Rome that the EEC was always more than that.

And this is what the government pamphlet on the referendum in 1975 said, "The aims of the Common Market are:

To bring together the peoples of Europe.

To raise living standards and improve working conditions.

To promote growth and boost world trade.

To help the poorest regions of Europe and the rest of the world.

To help maintain peace and freedom."

http://www.harvard-digital.co.uk/euro/pamphlet.htm
JoH6
18th May 2017
7
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The referendum was supposedly advisory and non-binding. It is entirely different to voting for a party, which is voted in for 5 years. Leaving the EU is a huge step and no one yet knows the consequences. Having another referendum would give people a chance to vote on what the exit deal is. We don't even know what it will be yet - but it will effect the lives of our youngsters for years. I have no desire to spend my remaining years in hardship and poverty due to the Government gambling on our future.
petendee
18th May 2017
0
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I am a remainer but the votes been cast and I just wish they would hurry up and get it done with. I believe Greenland came out after splitting from Denmark, Algeria voted not to join after leaving French rule, so why are they making it so difficult for the UK. I wish the politicians on either side would stop their petty ego games and remember who this is being done for; the general public who put some of these people where they are.
GrahamP9
18th May 2017
4
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Brexit is a terrible idea. It will damage Britain for many years. The original referendum was based n incomplete knowledge of the EU and the benefits of being a member.
Since then people are much better informed of the situation and the negative impact Brexit will have on Britain.
scandiman
18th May 2017
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Also better informed of the negative aspects of remaining.
GrahamP9
18th May 2017
0
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I have always preferred the known to the unknown. Looking forward to the negotiations that start soon after the General Election.
Baxi
18th May 2017
9
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I think a lot of people who voted leave didn't understand the implications and the complexity of what they were voting for, They were focused on one or two issues and we're only now beginning to understand the wide-reaching impacts.

Given another chance to vote many would vote to stay in.
CarolF6
18th May 2017
10
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The Eu referendum was an advisory, so legally not binding on the government to act on it. It was dominated by flawed messages from campaigning on both sides - we all know this to be true. We also did not know what the consequences would be - surely we should have another referendum to decide on whether we really want it once we know the outcome of the negotiations? This is our children and grandchildren's future - we owe it to them.
RichardW5
18th May 2017
-2
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We have already had a referendum the vote was to leave just get on with it.
violetM
18th May 2017
-5
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The country has spoken, LEAVE.
OldHasbean
18th May 2017
8
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The country has not spoken. 27% of the electorate have spoken.
Lionel
18th May 2017
0
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That's the 27% tht cared to get off their butts andvote.

I you don't vote you've no right of complaint.
Lionel
18th May 2017
0
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The majority failed to get off their butts.
violetM
18th May 2017
1
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In a democratic country this is enough.
RobertaS
18th May 2017
4
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No it isn't. Not to change the constitution so radically. A vote of 66% was needed in Parliament to bring the election forward and this was gained by Theresa May when she wanted her snap election. Referendums are different from elections and need greater than just a majority vote.
Lionel
18th May 2017
0
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Why, when the sitting Prime Minister decalred a majoriity vote would win? Please explain.
QueensburySue
18th May 2017
-4
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There has been a referendum, the result was 'leave'. Although it was close, it was 'leave'.
In a general election if it is a close result there isn't another one held because the losers don't like it!!
The result was Leave so Leave it is.
OldHasbean
18th May 2017
7
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It was not a general election, nor a TV game show or football match. It was advisory, the government had no mandate to act on it. If it had not been advisory there would have been a supermajority (as in union votes etc and is in the constitution of most charities or clubs).
Lionel
18th May 2017
-1
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I rather think you're mistaken here. Cameron, the sitting Prime Minister, said if the vote was Leave then his government would invoke article 50 next day. So, he who enacts law, does he not also speak it? If not what is the value of his office?
OldHasbean
23rd May 2017
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He could say what he liked, he could write what he liked on a leaflet but that didn't mean he had to go through with it.

What part of parliamentary democracy do you not understand? Why do you think Gina Miller took the gov't to court?

Eh?
Lionel
23rd May 2017
0
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Well, first, let's not exalt Gina Miller. This South American former model holding a British passport because of a dubious marriage would be no one without the funds of Gerge Soros. You will, of course, have understood, in gaining so much press she has made another fortune, or should I say another by dubious means.

You, rather discourteously, ask what part of democracy I don't understand? I ask, what part of common polite intercourse you do not practice? Much it seems.

Allow me to inform you, if a sitting Prime Minister makes a verbal declaration both he and his government are utterly bound by that statement. That sits in precedent. Chamberlain's broadcast to Britain in 1939 telling us we were at war with Germany was full, complete, absolute and final. If you don't believe me read Churchill's History of the Second World War. I have! The following five years proved Chamberlain to be quite right. When when Cameron uttered those fateful words he announced a fact, not a pipe dream.

Thus, Oldhasbean, another Remainer case demonlished, the latest of quite a few.

Goodbye!
JulieM61
19th May 2017
0
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I agree Lionel, what was the value of his office but it is true that the bill was passed through Parliament as advisory, you can find it online. It also states that it did not have to be followed through. David Cameron should have made this clear but he didn't....
Lionel
19th May 2017
0
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In the hugely expensive pamphlet delivered to every household - I sent my back to Downing Street - it stated the result would become government policy, or words to that effect.

The Referendum Bill, I can't now remember the exact words, but it gave the strong sense the result would be decisively acted upon.

Advisory? No. The evidence militates against that view.
MarionC3
18th May 2017
-1
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No we voted once get on with it .
SheilaG37
18th May 2017
-1
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The people of Britain have spoken so listen.
Philip Charles
18th May 2017
3
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The British people vote democratically for a Government to govern so that we don't need a Referendum on every decision they make.
Borden
18th May 2017
9
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The leave propaganda was a pack of lies.
That's not democratic in my book.
Lionel
18th May 2017
0
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The Remain camp was even worse. That's not only undemocratic, it brings into question the entinire referendum.

But since yesterday, only 22 % off the population wish to remain in the EU, the entire historic argument is academic.
JanetP97
18th May 2017
-5
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Why can't they accept the peoples choice?
Do they want to keep having referendums till they get a different result?
YvonneH4
18th May 2017
0
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I don't want another referendum. How many do these people want who did not get their way in the first one. Best of 3 best of 5 until they get what they want. Democracy and the people have spoken lets just get on with it.
NigelF4
18th May 2017
3
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The Leavers lost the first referendum in 1975. They then whined and whinged about it for forty years. all the while spreading lies about the EU and trying to sabotage it. So why shouldn't there be a third referendum
YvonneH4
18th May 2017
1
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The EU is not the same as it was 40 years ago. We did not sign up to be ruled by them, we were joining the common market to work together. So give it another 40 years and then hold another referendum.
NigelF4
18th May 2017
0
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No you're wrong. In the 1975 referendum, the pamphlet that the government sent out made it quite clear that it was more than a trade deal.
See for yourself here:
http://www.harvard-digital.co.uk/euro/pamphlet.htm

."The aims of the Common Market are:

To bring together the peoples of Europe.

To raise living standards and improve working conditions.

To promote growth and boost world trade.

To help the poorest regions of Europe and the rest of the world.

To help maintain peace and freedom."
YvonneH4
19th May 2017
0
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Lies, damn Lies and statistics. We are all entitled to our own opinions, but unless we agree with yours I supose we are all wrong. I respect yours are different to mine and that you are entitled to believe what you wish.
PatK2
18th May 2017
-4
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We have had a fair and democratic vote, the result was leave, so let's get on with it. Do we actually want those unelected beaurocrats making our laws and ruling us, I don't think so!!!
NigelF4
18th May 2017
0
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Congratulations, two Brexit myths in one sentence.
AndyW66
18th May 2017
3
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You were asked your opinion, that is all. That is the nature of an advisory referendum.
McGilchrist
18th May 2017
-2
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Lets just get on with it and leave as soon as possible. Then we can get on with our lives.
Barbiegirl
18th May 2017
-3
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Over17 million people voted to leave the e.u what don't these politicians understand that that's what the country voted for, get on with it the sooner the better,
chromehead
18th May 2017
-2
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My vote was to leave with the implicit understanding that the negotiations will be done by the Government of the day; making the best deal they can for the people of this Country. I'm no great negotiator but if Mr Farron thinks that going in to get a deal with all our cards on the table and then the deal be subject to ratification by the public is good practice, then he's living in cloud cuckoo land. We'd be eaten alive by the other side
GrahamP9
18th May 2017
2
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There is no hand to show
scandiman
18th May 2017
0
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Quite right chromehead. The art of negotiating is that you don't show your hand until you have to. I also object to the way all this is being complicated by the likes of Ms. Sturgeon wanting a place at the table. Everyone negotiating for us has to agree what outcome we're trying to achieve.
GrahamP9
18th May 2017
2
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there is no hand to show
AndyW66
18th May 2017
0
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Rod Barry
18th May 2017
-1
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The people have spoken. Get over it, and yourselves, Lib Dems!
DebsC3
18th May 2017
-3
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The country has voted on this and a democratic decision was reached. Why should we hold another referendum just because some politicians do not like/agree with this democratic decision.
NigelF4
18th May 2017
0
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The Leavers lost the first referendum in 1975. They then whined and whinged about it for forty years. all the while spreading lies about the EU and trying to sabotage it. So why shouldn't there be a third referendum
knottyjune
18th May 2017
-2
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No we have taken the vote, so let's get out ASAP save our money do not pay them any more, let them take us to court, and then pay less. And spend our money in our country.
FrancineS
18th May 2017
3
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A democratic decision was made, now we must all pull together to make this country safe and stable once more
NigelF4
18th May 2017
1
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It's going to be weak and wobbly.
AndyW66
18th May 2017
0
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Not by the general public. You were asked your opinion in an advisory referendum. You did not make a decision, that was for Parliament to do.
WendyW11
18th May 2017
1
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I was a Remainer but I believe in democracy however painful!
GrahamP9
18th May 2017
3
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Please don't give up. Brexit will damage Britain
Judy W
18th May 2017
0
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A democratic decision has been made and now we should all look forwards instead of backwards. The thing that really concerns me at the moment is the number of comments I have seen on social media regarding the forthcoming General Election, where young people are being encouraged to vote Labour in order to 'outvote' the older generation who have apparently ruined their futures by voting to leave the EU! I came under attack for daring to express my own political opinion, but when I said that I supported the encouragement of young people to register to vote (of course) but said that they should be allowed to make up their own minds as to who to vote for instead of turning this into a generational war, no-one could argue with that! The arrogance of some people is astonishing, assuming that we, the older generation, have ruined the future of today's youth when, in fact, the vast majority of us care deeply about what happens to them all.
scandiman
18th May 2017
0
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JudyW- in my local paper there were complaints that the older generation had, apparently, 'ruined' the future for the young by voting for Brexit. The assumption was that all older people had voted for it. So much for impartial reporting! I'm getting very tired of so much emphasis being placed on what the youth want. They are having a difficult time, but life for us when young wasn't easy; we didn't have the opportunities they have, for a start. Everyone I know has a young adult at university, many are subsidised by parents and appear to live a life of idleness. Doesn't apply to all of them of course;I know of exceptions.
Bronwen
18th May 2017
-1
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I think the country has had enough of referendums,elections,local and general and just wish that we get on with negotiations to leave the EU how many more referendum do the people who wished to remain want us to have ?I anyone who voted to leave I am near 70 yrs old so I can be considered to be one of the awful oldies who swayed the vote but you see I have more faith in this country of ours and do not fear walking the path alone ,surely an agreement can be reached whereby we can still trade and remain friends of the E U ,that is for as long as it remains a EU for deep decisions are already appearing in many countries .
Bronwen
18th May 2017
0
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Please forgive spelling error in my comment I meant to say deep devisions..
Chrisssy
17th May 2017
0
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I voted to remain but fully accept the democratic process and would not advocate for a 2nd referendum either- this whole Hard Brexit / Soft Brexit scenario is an absolute myth- it's based on May's notion that tough negotiations will get the UK the best deal- how short sighted and arrogant is that? Any agreement will be via the agreement of all the other EU nations and they have already made it quite clear that the first priority are around Human Rights and the rights of EU nationals to retain freedom of movement.
As for the LibDems I am astounded that people still vote for them after their collusion in the coalition - it will be interesting to see in the next General Election how they fare
GrahamP9
18th May 2017
1
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Please don't give up. You know Brexit will be bad for Britain
Chrisssy
18th May 2017
0
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It's not a matter of giving up Graham it's simply an accceptance of democracy- I'm a sole trader and I deal with Europe as a buyer and a seller and don't relish having to deal with Customs when I post items out or pay import duties on what I buy.
GlynysH
18th May 2017
2
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Who are you going for Conservatives or UKIP but there again they are almost the same party. May is pandering to the right wing of her party.
GlynysH
17th May 2017
1
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We should have a say on the outcome of Brexit if that means another referendum then so be it. People believed the side of the bus and all the rubbish fed by the right wing papers like the Daily Fail and the comic Sun. Well done to all the Brexiteers who have taken us down the pan. Theresa is becoming more autocratic by the day.
scandiman
18th May 2017
-2
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Presumably you are suggesting we weren't fed rubbish by the Remain side? You don't know Brexit will 'take us down the pan'. Can't be any worse than staying in the corrupt, bloated EU which is slowly imploding.
GrahamP9
18th May 2017
2
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It will be worse than staying in the EU.
chromehead
18th May 2017
0
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Sorry Glynis. I spent months weighing up the pros and cons of my decision. In the end I voted to leave. That decision has resulted in me being called A Dolt -Stupid- Totally Selfish -and much worse by so called friends.I resent these insults but they have filled me with pity for the people who issued them and resolve never to give in to them. So carry on insulting the people who voted to leave, unfortunately they are the real democrats,
GrahamP9
18th May 2017
2
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It is wrong to insult your decision. However you should see that ten months on from the referendum you and I know a lot more about the issue and I certainly believe Brexit is wrong. It is not too late to stop it.
PaulK5
17th May 2017
1
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First and foremost, the referendum has been held, the vote was to leave, so another vote on whether or not we like the 'Terms and Conditions' is moot. Secondly, Article 50 paragraph 3 says "The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification referred to in paragraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period.says that the state will leave the union". So even if there was a second referendum, and the vote was against the 'deal', our membership would cease to exist at the end of the appointed time allowing for any agreed extension so the question of the country, making a second referendum pointless!
GrahamP9
18th May 2017
0
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I don't agree that we can not stop Brexit. Wether the other 27 members would want to let us change our mind might actually be the issue. I live in one of the 27 and frankly Brexit is old news and everyone is getting on with the future without Britain.
In fact it is not old news, it is more no news as it is hardly mentioned in the media outside of Britain.
KarenW1
17th May 2017
-1
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I voted to leave and still would. The costs of our leaving, should have been written into the original contracts. Plus the EU should have plenty in contingency reserves to cover any monies they loose when we leave. Its a basic principle of good business. We need to look forward and take care of our own young and old.
To fix our NHS so its working again as it should be and build or renovate our affordable housing stock. We need to put the UK first.
NigelF4
18th May 2017
0
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Your comment shows that you were woefully uninformed and still are: the EU has to work with a balanced budget, so contingency reserves are not permitted. The Brexit divorce bill is for commitments that the UK has agreed to: they could not have been known in advance and written in the treaties.

It's a pipe dream to believe that the money saved on the EU contribution (about 35 pence per day per UK resident) will make any meaningful difference to the NHS or housing.
GlynysH
17th May 2017
3
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It's the young that will be the ones affected and they would not have voted. We are no longer an Empire and we don't rule the waves. I don't want a blue passport and we will always be European even when we leave the Eu.
scandiman
18th May 2017
0
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The young were also affected when we decided to join EEC, but I didn't hear any howls of protest then. We will all be affected. Life isn't fair, no-one gets everything they want and the youth will have to deal with it just as we did.
GlynysH
19th May 2017
0
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Let's go backwards is that what you are saying. Most people are worried about their children's future. There will be tactical voting. It will take the young to come out and vote as the majority of people that vote are the over 60 's.
artist
17th May 2017
-1
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I voted out would vote the same again but there shouldn't be another referendum we voted to get out of the eu so let's just get on with it please.!!
Gonzo10
17th May 2017
0
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There is such a thing as the people's voice, the vote for Brexit may have been a narrow victory, Unions and others tried to invoke a little known rule, but failed in their pathetic attempt to stop the will of the people. Since the decision and the triggering of Article 50, there is no way that any minor i.e the Lib Dems can possibly stop the process of the UK regaining her sovereignty, which was squandered by John Major.
NigelF4
18th May 2017
1
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The government White Paper clearly said that the UK has not lost any sovereignty to the EU.
GlynysH
18th May 2017
2
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What sovereignty we are not some super power we are a small island of mainland Europe. 27 countries against one! Portugal here I come!
chromehead
18th May 2017
0
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cappers24
17th May 2017
2
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They just can't accept it was a democratic vote and the majority voted out . Get over it and stop moaning .
GlynysH
17th May 2017
1
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The problem being it was the over 60's that were the overwhelming ones that voted Leave.
chromehead
18th May 2017
2
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Why is that a problem ? If youngsters can't be bothered to get off their backsides and vote then they are foolish.Do you think there was a secret arrangement involving millions of wrinklies to vote leave or perhaps they looked at the ramifications of staying and thought Oooh I think we'd be better off out of this nebulous organisation and get our own MPs to do what they are paid to do and run this Country. I think the latter.
PS. I'm not racist , I fully understand that we need immigration.
Bej
18th May 2017
1
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So, it was the over 60s that voted to stay in in the 70s but now it is a totally different organisation and we have changed our minds. There was no reason the under 60s couldn't have voted to stay but a lot of them weren't bothered and didn't vote, that's democracy. Personally I think people should be forced to vote.
Gonzo10
17th May 2017
0
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Spot on, I used more words though!
CathyS9
17th May 2017
2
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What planet are they on ? We voted to come out, it's up to our elected MPs to work out the best deal for us and get on with it. That's what I voted for them to do,and have no need for another vote.
Carol6
17th May 2017
2
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It was a democratic vote . The liberals should accept it.
paddy48
17th May 2017
2
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Question.was asked ,i dont know anyone who didnt understand the question,the people gave their answer that is that ,that is democracy
KenS1
17th May 2017
1
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If we allowed another vote, it would defeat the whole purpose of a democracy. It would be like the Conservatives winning the Election and then the public realised their mistake and demanding another election. Come to think of it, that wouldn't be a bad idea!!!
NigelF4
18th May 2017
0
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Quite right we should never had had that second referendum in 2016. Unfortunately the Leavers lost the first referendum in 1975. and then whined and whinged about it for forty years. all the while spreading lies about the EU and trying to sabotage it.
123Siobhan
17th May 2017
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Well It looks like I am in the minority and always will be. I don't agree with the Liberals, they are just fair weather friends. I don't agree with us coming out of Europe especially in todays world with all the different terrorists about. But we have had the vote and it was won by a miniscule minority so we have to go with that vote. We might as well get on with it and agree to differ, that is what democracy is all about.
GrahamP9
18th May 2017
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Please don't give up. Brexit is wrong for Britain.
JaneM75
17th May 2017
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How do the Liberals think they are going to get any softer Brexit than any other party. The bloke is deluded. We voted once, we got a result. Live with it and move on for gods sake, that is why we are living in a democracy, not for when you don't like the result, vote, vote, vote again until you get the result that you want.
Wilf
17th May 2017
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I have got a great idea. In the next General election if the Tories get in lets have another vote as the liberals will obviously not agree. If they get in a second time...lets vote again and ad-nauseum until the Liberals get into power in about 2048!!! What the MPs seem to forget is we the Great British Public voted them in. If we are asked to vote for something then this is a democracy and the majority vote wins. Does Tim Fallon understand these basics..is he just thick or is the hand of Clegg behind him winging on as ever that we should not be leaving the EU. (by the way I voted to stay but totally accept the majority vote and with all this nonsense coming from the EU leaders like Junkers think we should get out asap!!!
Secretum
17th May 2017
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Couldn't agree more Wilf, with the exception that I voted Out. I have just stated that I will vote for the party that holds a referendum on whether or not we have a referendum on Brexit...... lol !
Wilf
17th May 2017
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Brilliant idea Secretum...yes you should email the Liberals and suggest that. I am sure Fallon has lost his marbles. How on earth can we go back and re-vote when we don't even know what Brexit looks like anyway-Captain Mannering of Dads Army would have looked at him and said "Stupid Boy"!
Lionel
17th May 2017
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That is just brilliant Wilf. Thank you.
Wilf
17th May 2017
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Thanks Lionel..made me laugh as I was writing it... seriously some of these MPs really are a joke. they need to go down the pub and talk to some "normal" Brits like us and get a dose of what the average Brit really thinks and wants.
Lionel
17th May 2017
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Wilf, I doubt our MP here in North Suffolk has ever seen the inside of a pub. He's a farmer's son, a chartered surveyor with a national firm ... yet he behaves like the archetypal Anglican vicar as played by Derek Nimmo. In short, a clown. Stammering and rather dotty.

I doubt our MP has been near a pub. No, more like the local Conservative Club. 'A rather rare scotch, ole boy, have a dozen, makes one feel better about the riff raff.'

So many MPs are like Corbyn, just fine when addressing supporters but when it comes to ordinary people who don't agree they've nothing to say. I think that's why Theresa May walks all over Corbyn at PMQs.

The Liberals in power in 2048 ... I shall be a little shy of a centenarian. Maybe I'll still be a political onlooker and remember your words, I'd like to think so. If I've still got my marbles I'll certainly remember you for your common sense.

From this isolated part of Suffolk, the political pot is boiling. What it will produce ... I don't know, but I need my state pension.
Wilf
17th May 2017
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Yes Lionel the problem with most of these Fellows is none of them have done a hard days work in their lives. Fallon looks like he should still be in Primary School! Milliband had always been a political activist and a champagne socialist. how on earth would he know what hardship is. My mother was born in the slums of Liverpool and her dad was in the Navy during WW2 for 5 years away in Africa mostly. A very very tough life but a full one. We need MPs who have worked hard had loads of everyday experience and then become MPs for a cause they believe in BUT all the time have an Auriga...."continuously whispering in his ears Memento homo (remember you are (only) a man) to avoid that the excess of celebration could lead the celebrated commander to lose his sense of proportions.!!!!!!"
StuartB
17th May 2017
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Whilst I voted to remain in 2016, I don't believe we should have another referendum otherwise what is the point of living in a democracy. We have to accept the result, not keep having referendums until the decision is changed.
NigelF4
18th May 2017
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The Leavers lost the first referendum in 1975. They then whined and whinged about it for forty years. all the while spreading lies about the EU and trying to sabotage it. So why shouldn't there be a third referendum
StuartB
18th May 2017
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Why not, in another 40 years!!!
GrahamP9
18th May 2017
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10 months on from the referendum we now know more and it is bad. Brexit will damage Britain. Don't give up.
Yodama
18th May 2017
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Hi GrahamPg.
You say with confidence "we now know more" more what, and how is it bad?
I have heard the opposite.
Maybe we pay too much attention to the arch propagandists, the media.
None of us can say with a certain degree of certainty what is going on behind closed doors, nor what political agenda is being played out.
The damage to Britain has been the incremental take over of our lands. We once stood proud as a nation, The EU has its own agenda and Britain does not have a say in the matter.

I am not giving up.
GrahamP9
18th May 2017
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Hello Yodama,
Well we know more because we know it is not very simple to leave. There will lots of bad things not just good things.
I am not going to list the bad things as many are the reverse side of the good things. Just one....immigrants from the EU, who is going to do all these low paid (minimum wage) jobs such as waiting on tables and sorting sizes of potatoes.
No political part are talking about the Brexit benefits. Have you heard ANYTHING recently about "the Brexit bounce" "the Brexit dividends" if you have let me know.
Why is it difficult, it is going to be very difficult and expensive. For example that there are two phases in the negotiations.
The divorce
The new relationship with the EU.
Do you even know what the agenda is for Phase 1) well the 27 does know the first three things on that agenda.
All to be done and dusted by March 2019
It's not easy pushing back against Brexit but we are walking towards a cliff and someone has to shout "the king has no cloths"
Yodama
18th May 2017
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The 'Brexit bounce' yet another buzz word to put the fear of God into people.
Nobody ever thought it would be a 'cake walk', without a doubt there will be severe repercussions.
Britain is going to have her ba**s in a vice without question.

If we look at the recent mayhem caused by porous borders in Germany and other countries, (Merkel is backtracking at speed, France is suffering attack after attack) it is essential we protect our own borders without interference...as we have always done without the EU.

Workers will be allowed in to fulfil jobs as always in the medical field, farming, waiters etc. there will be a selection process, not like now........ as we have always done without the EU.
This country was built on migrants, why should it be different now.
We cannot sustain the influx of migrants who do not contribute in some way.

Our new relationship with the EU will be like any divorce, either bitter or a decision to remain on speaking terms. The EU needs Britain, never forget that.

Phase 1 agenda, agendas change as negotiations change.

We were alone and thriving, a world power long before we joined the EU, why would we be walking over a cliff now?
It is up to the British people to support and stand behind the decision to divorce the controlling, unelected bullies who are the EU.
There are deeper and more important reasons for leaving the EU. Sizing potatoes is not one of them.
Wilf
17th May 2017
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I totally agree StuartB. What are we supposed to do keep on as you suggest with multiple votes until the liberals get what they want and thats only because of Clegg and his crew who were decimated in the last election.
Yodama
17th May 2017
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Why are we even asking the question?

Get on with it!, Long drawn out divorces are ultimately more damaging and painful for all concerned. There will undoubtedly be winners and losers

Edward Heath took us into the EU on false pretences, nobody asked if we wanted a second vote then.

How many more times? No means no!
GrahamP9
19th May 2017
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When we joined Britain was called the sick man of Europe.
Secretum
17th May 2017
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Hi Yodama ...... Heath didn't take us into the EU, he took us into the EEC - which was the European Economic Community, which we referred to as The Common Market but yes agree with you wholeheartedly he did take us in under false pretences. I originally voted in both the 1970's referendum to go in and to remain in..... BUT as the years progressed I realised that we had been duped and what it was costing us as a Country in all areas; and I have been waiting since the 1980's for us to Leave. The 'Economic' gives a clue to what it was all about originally, trading only..... NOT being ruled by them.
NigelF4
18th May 2017
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The EEC was never only about trading: just look at the introduction to the Treaty of Rome. In addition the pamphlet that the government sent out for the first referendum in 1975 was clear: "The aims of the Common Market are:

To bring together the peoples of Europe.

To raise living standards and improve working conditions.

To promote growth and boost world trade.

To help the poorest regions of Europe and the rest of the world.

To help maintain peace and freedom."

http://www.harvard-digital.co.uk/euro/pamphlet.htm
Yodama
19th May 2017
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Well that all went well then, wars, poverty, radicalism, racism etc;
A lovely fairy story.
Yodama
18th May 2017
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You are right Secretum, it was the EEC that we joined, it later became the EU as we know it now morphing into an all powerful controlling bloc.

De Gaulle said an emphatic "Non" to Harold McMillan in 1963 when we wanted to join the EEC, it was only after De Gaulle resigned and Pompidou began to extend a friendly hand that ten years later we were "allowed" to join the club.
The idea that we were joining a free trade area was a con. We were required to play a strong role to counterbalance the Germans for the French and the same counterbalance for the Germans.

It was a political union and had little to do with free trade.

In a famous speech Heath promised:
There are some in this country who fear that in going into Europe we shall in some way sacrifice independence and sovereignty. These fears, I need hardly say, are completely unjustified.”

Well that went well then. We have lost our sovereignty spectacularly.

The question remains, was it illegal and can we repeal the act?
NigelF4
18th May 2017
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In what way did we lose our sovereignty? The government White Paper on Brexit published by this government says that we didn't.
Yodama
19th May 2017
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All this is doing my head in, I am off to the movies, an unreality check. Probably have popcorn too.
Yodama
19th May 2017
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Here are some vague facts to some rather vague claims.

The question on this forum is " Do you want another referendum?"
Simple - No!

The fishing industry:
As the United Nations Law of the Sea states: “The exclusive economic zone shall not extend beyond 200 nautical miles from the baselines”. Yet Britain’s fishing rights have now been reduced by the EU to a mere 12 miles.

Fish landings in Uk
1970 - 948, tonnes
2014 - 11,845 tonnes

We had 21,443 fishermen in Uk in 1970, today we have less than 11,500.
92% of fisherman voted to leave the EU.

Brexit would free us from red tape
France is the uks biggest export market for fish, are they suddenly going to stop buying from us?
We export to the US, Spain, Irish Republic, Italy, China, Netherlands, Germany, Nigeria, and more markets are opening up in Africa.
We would be able to free ourselves from setting ur own prices, our hands are tied now.
Pessimism could drown the industry, ships would have to queue in an Operation Stack to handle congestion due to mounds of paperwork

I quote:
Outside the EU, the UK would not be obliged to implement EU directives, and could negotiate derogations of acts or exemptions even if it wanted closer trade ties. Simon Dwyer, managing director at Seafox Management Consultants, based in Grimsby, says this is one of the most positive outcomes of Brexit. (sic)
End quote.
Greenland successfully negotiated favourable terms for their exit, and now enjoy favourable trade deals with the EU. If a nation of 57,000 can do it, why do we often hear that Britain, a nation of 65 million, cannot do the same?

ECHR/ EU
Deportation of hateful radical cleric Abu Abu Qatada Al-Filistini
Quote:
Article 17 of protocol 14 allows the European Union to become party to the Convention. In turn the Lisbon Treaty, which entered force in December 2009, provides that the European Union should accede and become a party to the Convention. The Committee of Ministers is to evaluate in 2012 to 2015 the extent to which the implementation of Protocol 14 has improved the effectiveness of the Court. The Committee of Ministers is to decide before 2019 whether more reforms of the Court are necessary.
End quote.
How far are you prepared to down this dark Rabbit Hole?
Walter Hallstein, IG Farben?
NigelF4
18th May 2017
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By the way: the demise of the fishing industry is because British boat owners sold their quotas to non-UK boats. This is one of the many issues that will require negotiation. If the UK declares the sold quotas null and void then the boat owners will demand compensation...
NigelF4
18th May 2017
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Yodama: have you got any real examples rather than vague claims?
You do realise that the UK has a veto on important issues, so " they" whoever they are cannot force us to do anything.

You also don't seem to understand that directives don't force us to do anything: they set goals that are agreed by the member states who then choose how to implement them.

But the icing on the cake is complainng about decisions by the ECHR preventing deportation of"a hateful radical". The ECHR is not an EU institution. The UK was a prime mover in setting it up after the second world and before the EEC was invented.

So glad to know that you were fully informed before you voted /sarcasm
Yodama
18th May 2017
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Sovereignty is self- government, self-determination and autonomy. In Britain we are a Constitutional Monarchy.
The EU is a tool of colonisation, each time they need to do something to infiltrate our laws and ways of life, they adopt a regulation or directive.
We have no say in many areas of our daily lives such as the demise of the fishing industry and the regulation of farmers.
We could not get rid of a hateful radical because of EU laws.
So how are we sovereign??
Wilf
17th May 2017
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I think the problem with Heath and the 1970s was the UK was in such a state after Labour had been in power for years and then Heath made it worse that belonging to a trading bloc that had Germany which at the time was beginning to be the economic miracle of Europe after WW2 seemed quite an attractive proposition. You are absolutely right though Yodama why couldn't we have had a second vote then about going into the EU...maybe we should have it now 50 years on? Now there is an idea. I will send a letter to Tim Fallon and see what he thinks!
Yodama
18th May 2017
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It will be hard Wilf, extricating ourselves. Maybe the legalities in the way we were taken into the EEC or EU in the first instance should be examined with a magnifying glass. Repeal the act and get out of this diabolical marriage as soon as possible.
If we don't we will be nothing but yes men to this huge gorgon with many secretive heads.
Wilf
18th May 2017
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I agree Yodama. I worry the Eu will play hardball with us to prevent other members from leaving. The other worry for them is when we leave and ...hopefully...do well economically other countries may look towards this as an example and want to leave as well. The issue for most of them is they have the Euro so it would be much more difficult. thank goodness we never gave up Sterling...Gordon Brown cannot be thanked as he wanted to join it besides selling off all our gold at a pittance!!!!!
NigelF4
18th May 2017
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It's a vain hope that the UK or maybe the former UK will do well. It's cutting itself off from workers, investment, revenue and tax income. There's no way that that is going to end well.
Lionel
17th May 2017
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A year ago RoofTop Crow and I were engaged in an almost nightly debate about the merits and demerits of EU membership. He is very pro-Europe, and I just want away from it. That debate lasted I think three months.

My opinion of the EU has not changed. Indeed, seeing these last months of playground shenanigans which pass for politics I'd like to see this island towed a thousand miles west, and five hundred miles south, away from them all.

As far as another referendum is concerned, no! Today's online press reported a major poll showed just 22% of Brits wish to remain in the EU. Job done. If Theresa May and her team can't secure a good trade deal, then we bale out - hard Brexit.

That outcome doesn't require a referendum, just a positive vote from the Commons.

The LibDems - ah, the betrayers in chief of our students. My dear LibDems, the nation voted out of the EU. Job done. Hard Brexit, soft Brexit, whatever, it's going to hurt us all but only for a short while. Are we real Brits so scared of a little hardship? We've seen it all before!
Yodama
18th May 2017
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I think Brexit has been thrashed to death in the previous articles on
Speakers corner, as you say, marathon posts. We are just re-hashing the same arguments.
The theme of this debate is whether we need another referendum, people are still living in denial.
Pam1960
17th May 2017
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Why can we not accept the outcome of the referendum. I voted to remain but do not want another referendum otherwise what is the point of having one in the first place. Do we just keep voting until we come up with the right result. As far as voting for a hard or soft Brexit I think we should leave that to the Government, that is what they are paid for
GrahamP9
18th May 2017
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In June 2016 we thought we understood what leaving the EU meant. Eleven months on we now know that leaving the EU is very bad for all of Britain.
Don't give up. You voted remain because you believed that was right.
Pam1960
18th May 2017
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As much as I disagree with Brexit I am a believer in democracy. The majority voted to leave. Referendums and election outcomes should not be reversed unless the outcome can be proven to be based on lies. I personally feel the leave campaign mislead the voters however I think it would be detrimental to the nation to vote again. The young who didn't vote who blame the older generation on the outcome they didn't want have no one to blame but themselves they had the same opportunity as everyone else., hopefully the result will be a learning curve for the non voters, use your vote. I will try and make the best of things, when negotiations are finally over I will decide whether my future is in this country or elsewhere. Shame because I love my country but I think I love the earth more. An idealist perhaps but I prefer a world without frontiers
scandiman
17th May 2017
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There is nothing democratic about having another referendum because you didn't like the result of the first one. I don't understand this 'hard' and 'soft' Brexit. We're leaving, end of story. How easy or difficult it is largely depends on how bloody minded France and Germany want to be. As far as I'm concerned, having fought two wars to rid Europe of tyranny, and lost thousands trying to liberate France and Germany, they owe us, big time. Time for them to pay up. Thank heavens May is at the negotiating table, not that fool Corbyn.
JohnHerb
17th May 2017
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Why don't the government put out a vote on whether we want a hard or soft Brexit and actually tell us in simple factual terms what each is defined as rather than the rubbish they posted prior to the referendum
GrahamP9
18th May 2017
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Now we know more it is clear we should not leave the EU. It is not too late to stop it. Except the other 27 may not want to let us change our mind without some deal.
snoopy2015
5th Jun 2017
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put your white flag up forget the millions who died to give you a vote ? can you vote for a leader of the EU even after 30 years at least we will after just five years
Wilf
17th May 2017
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Good idea Johnherb

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