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Are gender neutral school uniforms a good idea?

Boys could be allowed to wear skirts at a north London private school if a plan for gender neutral uniforms comes in according to a BBC report.

Highgate School is considering mix-and-match outfits for pupils after head teachers said that growing numbers of children were questioning their gender.

The school has also been encouraged to allow unisex toilets and open all sports to all pupils.

Girls at the school can wear grey trousers, dark blue jackets and ties.

But boys are not currently allowed to wear grey pleated skirts, although they would be under the new proposed dress code.

Head Teacher Mr Adam Pettitt said “We’re exploring how our uniform policy could evolve to cater for those who do want to match clothing to gender, as well as those who don’t.”

He added: “In common with all other schools and youth organisations, yes, we are seeing greater numbers of pupils questioning gender identity than in the past.

“Having said that, in years gone by, absolutely no young people were raising it at all and it seems inconceivable that these sorts of questions simply didn’t exist.

“The fact that there is significantly greater support and information available, both in schools and elsewhere, means that young people need no longer feel afraid to ask questions or speak out about their feelings.

“If they feel happier and more secure in who they are, it must be a good thing,” he said.

Mr Pettitt said parents would be consulted before changes were introduced, but acknowledged that some former pupils had written to complain the school was “promoting the wrong ideas”.

What are your views? Would you find it acceptable for boys to wear skirts as part of their school uniform? Is gender neutral with a view to not living up to social norms the way forward? 

Are gender neutral school uniforms a good idea?

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iestynlad
19th May 2017
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Crazy nonsense. Better idea - get rid of school uniforms. Children don't take a pride in their clothing and a lot of them smell (I have been a teacher and sat close up to dirty stinking uniforms). Makes little children look like members of the Hitler Youth. Get them in nice colourful stuff like in France not dowdy grey pleated skirts and tacky cardys!
Yodama
30th May 2017
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Oh dear, what a damning indictment of poor children whose parents are responsible for their " stinking." Instead, a degree of kindness and an investigation into why the child is "stinking" would have been the right thing to do.
Get rid of school uniforms? they will still wear skirts if they want to.
iestynlad
30th May 2017
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Yodama - have you taught children. Have you had to sit up close and personal to them during an Oral test, have you had a class of 40 boys in front of you. They stink because they have no respect for the school uniform and don't take care of it. Parents - where/who are they these days. Many left to fend for themselves - washing and ironing not top of any teenagers list
Yodama
30th May 2017
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Yes iestynlad, I have lectured, older versions of
" stinkers." scientists and intellectuals who are not in the least bit perturbed about their shoddy appearance or "stink.".

My point in question was that the child is guided by the parent ( hopefully) or teacher.
You say they "stink" because they have no respect for the school uniform. Many are left to fend for themselves.
I cannot ever remember a child washing his or her own school uniform, that is the parent or carers job.
Condemning the child is unfair.

Einstein was a "stinker" and a dunce in school, his teacher said of him " he will never amount to anything."

Parents, well there are good and bad, so don't blame the kid.
Did you take as much notice of these children's capacity to learn as you did of their "stink?"
iestynlad
30th May 2017
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Not sure I ever condemned the child. I condemned school uniforms. Children take a pride in their own clothes not in school uniforms. Did you like wearing one? Not sure why you are indulging in criticism of me and disparaging remark about my teaching ability. Lecturing older kids is not the same as children. Perhaps you should read people's comments with more accuracy. You are attributing to me remarks I have not made.
Pam1960
17th May 2017
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Trousers for everyone. More practical and if everyone is wearing them problem sorted. Many girls wear trousers to school nowadays so scrap the wearing of skirts.. I agree schools are for educating children but with bullying getting worse and the increasing numbers of child suicides I think it is right that we look at ways to make make all children feel accepted and comfortable at school. I don't think wearing skirts is the way as not everyone wears them, the majority of people do wear trousers
iestynlad
30th May 2017
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Trousers hide fat legs - I know I had them fat legs I mean. Also short skirts! I am female and I was embarrassed seeing the girls bending over with the length of their skirts. So provocation to boys and male teachers. Trousers or legging s and tunics
Lionel
16th May 2017
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'Aren't children supposed to be at school to learn?'

I think, Scandiman, we both come from a bygone age. An age when schools trained one for life after school; trained one to think, to write straight English so we could be universally understood. A time when schooling was preparatory for life,

It seems to me to be quite other now. My closest step grand children, whom my wife and I have spent the last sixteen years raising, have had a different school experience. Time out of number I've looked over their set homework and couldn't make nor tail of it.

One afternoon I saw their homework and was horrified to see the level of indoctrination - you never eat dairy products, only margarine and semi skimmed milk else it will kill you. Yes, that was on a school paper! Further papers encouraged her to be a vegan. Scandiman, she was thirteen years old. Mercifully, my wife and i have won the battle, but not without a fight.

On another set of homework papers it was declared the Holocaust didn't happen. Now, that's a little difficult for me, I'm a Jewish Christian. That was another battle here, to establish the historicity of the Holocaust.

Schools are not educational establishments as we knew them. They are places of indoctrination. Education ceased in the early days of Blair and indoctrination began. He may have said 'education, education, education' in Moscow, but what he delivered, and we still have, is indoctrination, indoctrination, indoctrination.

Did you know homosexuality is the new norm? Did you know touching between girls is the norm? I didn't, until my step grand daughter told me she was taught that at school.

I could go much further, but not now.

Matthew 9:4 He made them male and female. That's the bedrock. All else is a lie,
fandebbydozy
16th May 2017
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what percentage of boys would want to wear skirts? Why should a very small minority have such influence? Where did we lose our common sense?
bobbysmum
16th May 2017
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The children today in Britain are the highest recorded as having psychiatric problems.
Adverts on television say I will self harm, I will have anxiety, I will have depression, these children at their age shouldn't have to worry about such things unless they are showing symptoms.
It's the same with gender differences of course there are all types of sexual preferences but again do they all really need to worry about it .
Please let the children be children and if the subjects arise of course debate it and educate but nature made males and females in all animals don't make it a huge issue of the school day .
Prosseco
16th May 2017
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It was not that long ago that girls could where trousers, they should keep the uniform has it is.
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16th May 2017
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Lionel
17th May 2017
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'Suppose they go into the forces. Are they going to insist of another colour of camouflage because it doesn't match their nail varnish, or it doesn't reflect their gender identity?'

Ah, that hurdle has yet to be crossed. Could be interesting, don't you think?
Wilf
16th May 2017
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Stupid that this has even been give to the kids at this school to decide. At school kids should be learning, enjoying themselves, playing sport, enjoying art, music etc...not wasting time worrying if they are wearing the right clothes. My daughters all used to mess about with their school kit like wearing ties at a certain angle etc but all the kids had uniform. Its just one more thing to worry about when schools start this type of nonsense.
Billythequiche
16th May 2017
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I am horrified! Not by the thought of ''gender neutral'' uniforms but by the thought of a generation of schoolchildren used and abused by a minority of teachers/politicians/lobbyists to further political correctness. Some of the children may be uneducated in the ''facts of live'', as such they are vulnerable to pressure from any elitist agenda that seeks to impose its doctrine. As schools are ''in loco parentis'' they must be as accountable for children's mental and moral welfare as for their physical. Filtering down from our universities is an insidious stream of ''thought control''. Excusing students realities of their chosen courses, censoring free speech by not allowing speakers who do not pass a self titled inspector of political correctness. Who the HELL do these people think they are? Our next generations must be protected from brainwashing and rule by minorities whose leaders are not motivated by freedom and enlightenment, but by self-aggrandisement and attempts to control.
Yodama
16th May 2017
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Right on the button. George Orwell's 1984, a nation of terrified Zombies, thought police, Newspeak, control of the Media...............this is the thin end of the wedge.
MariaM7
16th May 2017
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Yet another example of a few luvvies telling the rest of us how we should think. Having gender equality is one thing, but are we now teaching our kids to ignore nature and biology by pretending there are no differences between the sexes. Children should be allowed to just be just kids,not have this cr#p thrown at them just to please a few of the "right on" pc brigade in the media. Let's campaign for proper discipline to be reintroduced in schools where the grown-ups make the decisions.
Yodama
16th May 2017
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Skirt, Kilt, Toga, Sarong, why the fuss now, boys in my school in Berwick -upon-Tweed wore kilts.

Too many interfering finger wagger's and do gooder's. Strict school uniform suppresses the creative kid. As long as it is decent let them show their character in what they choose to wear.
ShelaghS
16th May 2017
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This is not about boys wearing skirts as in reality only a small minority will. It's about gender non conformity so there is an inclusive environment in schools. For young people struggling these changes are a massive support. We are only talking about clothes after all .
Macmay
16th May 2017
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Why can't children be left alone to be children, life is hard enough when you grow up, leave them to their innocence, we didn't have problems with gender issues, this is the media and so called famous people making it an issue.
sha56
16th May 2017
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I imagine an extremely small % might wear a skirt but I see nothing wrong with having the choice in place.
JohnHerb
16th May 2017
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If I had worn a skirt to school I would have had black eyes and a broken nose...I can just imagine the comments. What a silly suggestion
Cilla Ann
16th May 2017
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I am sorry but I struggle with the idea of boys wearing skirts to school .
MrsPat
16th May 2017
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Who cares? The world is changing so fast I have given up caring. It has to be a good thing that people can do what they want and London has always been a trend setter for fashion-look at the miniskirt in the 1960s. Everyone was initially outraged but then it swept the world. Who knows this may be the new way forward for school fashion?
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16th May 2017
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Lionel
16th May 2017
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And good they were too!

I would have been horrified to find something different being veiled by a mini skirt.
Marley444
16th May 2017
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Whilst I think gender neutral uniforms are a good idea in Primary schools when children are young, like they do in the London school my daughter teaches in - jogging bottoms and polo tops with a choice of colour - I struggle with the concept of older boys wearing skirts to school ... where will this end? The office becomes the extension to the classroom so should men wear skirts to the office? I am finding it difficult to keep up with this new modern thinking. I believe in equality but I am unsure with all these proposed boundary changes where we will end up?
CaroleAH
16th May 2017
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I agree, Marley. I wonder if those businesses who insist on their female employees wearing high heels will also make their male, skirt wearing employees, do the same. As you say, where will it all end?

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