Would you vote differently in a new EU Referendum?

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An anonymous group of business leaders and academics is mounting a legal challenge to stop the government from beginning Brexit negotiations without a full debate and vote by MPs.

A recent survey suggested Leave voters are now experiencing “Bregret” – Brexit regret. Polling firm Opinium found last week that 7% now wished they had voted to stay in the EU.

Former attorney general Dominic Grieve said a second referendum could happen “with the passage of time” if it became apparent that public opinion had shifted. He also rebuffed suggestions that pro-EU supporters should not speak out now that the country has voted, saying that people in a free society should be able to dispute the majority view.

Silversurfers conducted two extensive Barometer Surveys and 66% of you voted to Leave the EU both times we asked you.

Two weeks later, after the Referendum on 23rd June concluded Brexit, David Cameron resigned, Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage who drove the Brexit campaign have disappeared, there’s a campaign for a new Conservative leader and potentially one for the Labour party too.  The dust hasn’t yet settled and there is still uncertaintly. Both sides lied. But the one lie that will be remembered is the £350 million a week that will go to the NHS if we voted leave.

So if you had the chance to vote again in a new Referendum, would you still vote in the same way that you did? Feel free to express your views in the comment section below.

Would you vote differently in a new EU referendum?

659 people have already voted, what's your opinion? Yes - I would vote differently No - I would still vote the same

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comman16
2nd Oct 2016
1
Thanks for voting!
I voted out I would not change my vote, so lets get on with getting out
sooty
25th Sep 2016
0
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I voted out and won't change my mind.
GrannyJack
3rd Sep 2016
1
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We voted to leave the EU why can't we just do it and stop all the messing about. The EU don't like the idea because it will cost them too much money especially if other countries opt to leave as well. Break up the EU good idea!
Jada
16th Sep 2016
2
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Agreed! I never voted to go into the so called 'Common Market' in the first place. As I understood it at the time, it was to facilitate fair trade. That's a laugh! It just tied us up in more and more red tape as time went on and it morphed into what it was: a mess!
Capricorn
19th Jul 2016
0
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After all these years considering leaving the EU, finally having a vote to leave , we are now told there will be a delay because of some Government procedure ????? Can you believe these inept
Politicians .......I can't.!!! Also, Scotland is negotiating seperately
to remain in the EU, surely this will mean more delay while the ties
between Britain and Scotland are considered?
CarolM
15th Jul 2016
0
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I voted Remain and would still do so, but I am waiting to see how many deals with the EU our government can make without 'free movement of people'. It should be interesting. 🙂
Wilf
15th Jul 2016
1
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I think the government will really struggle with this. Neither Norway or Switzerland have managed it
Capricorn
9th Aug 2016
1
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Hi Wilf, yes, Cameron thought he could persuade Merkel and Juncker to accept Britain leaving , in return for which he would lend the EU Bank 1 million Euros and Britain would provide Schools when the fighting ceased. Osborne said the EU 1 million would be ringfenced....do you believe that .???

That wasn't good enough , so Cameron said he would accept 6 thousand immigrants over a period, 2,000 have arrived in the UK. Also, Cameron donated to the EU 6 million said to be paid to
Turkey
redfive
14th Jul 2016
4
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All parents should tell their children the David Cameron Story and that is if you tell lies no good will come of it.
MadelineC
10th Jul 2016
4
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I felt the pressure from family and the media on voting to leave. I felt uneasy for awhile but was praised up by my eldest son for voting on my beliefs. I did watch loads of debates on the ins and outs. So be it, only time will tell.
spiffsmum
9th Jul 2016
-1
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jentie51
8th Jul 2016
-2
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I voted remain & would vote in exactly the same way if given the opportunity to do so.
spiffsmum
9th Jul 2016
-2
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Could not agree more. People have no idea what they have let us in for.
Maryday9
8th Jul 2016
6
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We were a rich economically sound nation , I remember industry being strong Britain was Great Britain and we will be again !!
Chris S
11th Jul 2016
-5
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Sorry. I disagree. We are already belittled in Europe as a result of the referendum and are becoming a laughing stock in the wider world. We are already seeing the dire consequences wrought by the lies of the Brexit campaign. The Stock Exchange and credit ratings have already fallen. The NHS will lose out, not only from the lies about the disappearing millions, but also the disappearance of skilled and talented medics from overseas. Instead of putting back the Great into Great Britain, we will revert to Little England since both Scotland and NI will move towards Independence. Wales may well follow suit. As for the Falklands, Gibraltar....?
Capricorn
19th Jul 2016
1
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Maggie Thatcher had to question the Accounts of the EU every year and Britain would have a rebate. Cameron and Osborne LENDS the EU Bank 1 million Euros , ringfenced according to Osborne. Never mind that Doctors will probably think of leaving the Country because they have not been given a rise in recognition of their hard work at the NHS, or the Steel Works be taken over by the Government .
spiffsmum
9th Jul 2016
-4
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You are delusional! The £ is the lowest currency going since the vote, it will only get much worse. We will get no help financially or militarily.
Roof Top Crow
9th Jul 2016
-4
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Before we joined we were the sick man of Europe. Manufacturing was shrinking and our economy was in a dreadful state.
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We joined the EC as it was at the time, and over the last 40 years the UK has become the second wealthiest country in EU membership.

Before the 23rd June we were the 5th wealthiest country in the world. We are now the 6th.
Lionel
9th Jul 2016
5
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Do you really think our joining the EEC had much to do with wealth formation in the UK? It seems, rather sadly, you do. I'm amazed!

Domestic wealth formation - which by the way is a dreadful misnomer - was kick started under Thatcher. She brought rampant unions to heel and provided the financial impetus for industry and commerce to thrive. Now, I understand you were already in business in the Thatcher years. Thus, I thought you would have known that.

The EEC, and later the EU, have never been great trading partners for the UK. The figures prove that statement, and you do so like figures. We've run a trading deficit with them since we joined. Tell me I'm wrong, but with evidence.

To say we should hand over billions a year to be members of an elite trading club, actually it's a broken protection racket, just to make a massive trading deficit is nonsense. In your own words, you're a businessman, do you not see that?

And worse, to stay in that loss making club, the elite which heads it wants to rule this nation, notice the words here, rule not govern, we as a people who were never asked if we wanted external rule, are expected to submit to heavy handed diktats from Brussels? Diktats which daily change the way we live, whom we are required to live along side, the food we consume and what we may buy in our Euro shops, daily change this country so that it is unrecognisable from even ten years ago. Are you on something good again?

Roof Top, our agriculture is failing, our industry has failed, we no longer mine coal (no, I'm not a follower of those climate change fanatics), our oil was mostly used to fund unemployment for the purpose of providing a pool of labour for business, our own fishing industry has been raped by Europe, our service sector, the largest we now have, is about to be under cut by China.

Central planning failed spectacularly in Soviet Russia. It has failed on the same scale for the EU.

You may have made a lot of money from our being members of the EU. But you are in the minority.

Please allow me to tell you this. I was in a hamlet in Swaledale when the ship yards closed. I was still there, as a shepherd, when Thatcher closed the coal mines. We were six miles from the A1. For almost two years the people of this hamlet boarded ship builders and miners heading south for work. They slept on a settee, on the floor. We would feed them, offer a bath, give them our phone to call home to say they were OK. That's not just me, that's true of all the dozen houses in that hamlet. And we did that from a good heart, not a rotten bank account.

I've seen those men cry in despair, and comforted them. I had a two up and two down cottage. One night we slept eight men, as well as ourselves.

This was the EU. Oh I know the arguments about our coal being too expensive, usual drivel. I know the arguments about our ships being too expensive. Political speak to achieve an end - further integration with Europe. If you're willing to speak truth, Roof Top, that was all a lie!!

Roof Top, let's get a little, just a little, reality into your defences of our continued membership of the EU.

The EU was born in a lie, continued in a lie, we joined under a lie from Heath and remained under a lie from Wilson. There is no prosperity from living a lie!

We must live in truth. There is no other way.
Lionel
10th Jul 2016
2
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Silence is the loud reply. Speaks volumes, wouldn't you agree Roof Top?
MorrisandDoris
9th Jul 2016
5
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Give it up Mr Crow, you lost the vote to stay in the EU and the petition for another referendum, so get over it, and if it's still a problem for you move to France or Germany to live.
Trouble with that though is when they have their referendums on the Exit issue, you can start all over again with writing your views for these countries not to leave the EU.
Just think about though it could keep you busy for years!
Roof Top Crow
9th Jul 2016
-4
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We are still full members of the EU and will be for at least 2 years and 2 months. I understand that the petition for a second referendum will be put in front of parliament later this year.

The leave campaign or 52%
It is a strange situation, the two main leaders of the Leave campaign Boris and Gove have both left the campaign in disgrace. The next two, Grayling and Patel are in hiding. The 2 MEPs that were involved, Farage and Hannan have now slunk back to Brussels. I have no doubt that they will continue to draw their salary and expenses from the organization they describe as corrupt.

The Leave campaign have left behind a victim, Andrea Leadsom. Andrea claims she would be able to run the country as the next PM. Andrea is middle ranking MP who distorted her CV to get into politics, massaged her city background to give herself credibility and has shown an extraordinary level of naivety when being interviewed by a journalist from the Times. The Leave campaign have dumped on her from a great height, her reputation will be ruined by this whole affair.

The Remain campaign or 48%
It is very strange, we now have a situation where the chaos and forthcoming recession caused by the 52% vote will have to be managed by the 48% vote who wanted to remain.
The same applies to negotiating the future of the UK outside of the EU. It will have to be managed by the 48% who wanted to remain.

I will not respond to a suggestion that a UK resident should leave the UK if they do not like living here.
celtwitch
10th Jul 2016
1
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Have you been snorting a banned substance?
Lionel
9th Jul 2016
4
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Guess you're on that stuff again!
Wilf
8th Jul 2016
4
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I think we have been strong for some time. We are the 5th largest economy globally. The 4th is the German economy which is 2.5 x larger economically than the UK and we will never grow to that size. think of their manufacturing base-Audi, Mercedes, Volkswagen etc
Jayneu-s
8th Jul 2016
-4
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I voted to remain in the EU and still think we should remain. Leaving is only going to cause extra hardship and more problems both socially and economically. I don't think we should have had a referendum.
MorrisandDoris
9th Jul 2016
4
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Probably because the vote didn't go your way !
jentie51
8th Jul 2016
2
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Agree with you 100%.
Pam1960
8th Jul 2016
6
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At the end of the day this is irrelevant. Even though I voted to remain the majority voted to leave. We should now forget about the campaigns and work together to unite the nation.
Hattie
8th Jul 2016
7
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Morning, what have we done to our young people? Looking around, they are still whingeing/whining about Referendum result, ok, so their jaunting around Europe will cost a bit more, their tech stuff will cost a bit more. 'Democracy' is more important than stuff.

Can they just not stop thinking about themselves for a minute and think about the millions and millions of YOUNG PEOPLE across Europe without a job because their Country has got them into so much debt and chained to EU.

I don't know? maybe one day hopefully, they might be thankful they can vote through the ballot box for the Democratic rights of their Country.
Pam1960
9th Jul 2016
-3
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I don't think it is all about cost of travel and technology that concerns the younger generation who believe we should remain in the EU. For many it is more about the opportunity to be educated and work abroad. Young people are not as insular as many of the older generation. They do not have a fear of travelling the world alone and they treat people from other countries. I am proud of our younger generation that they are not influenced by racist views and bigotry if their elders.
celtwitch
10th Jul 2016
3
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The younger generation that is so adamant that they wanted to remain in the EU is the cotton wool, snowflake generation that needs 'safe spaces' to flee to when someone tells them something they don't want to hear. They have been indoctrinated into believing that the EU is wonderful and that Great Britain is something to be ashamed of.
I have little doubt that if war was to break out, the younger generation would be queuing en-masse to register as conscientious objectors.
We don't have to be members of the EU for our citizens to be allowed to travel abroad, and those youngsters with the bottle to backpack usually opt for Australia. Europe is becoming a very dangerous place to live and to travel to.
But, I suppose the fools that wave REFUGEES WELCOME flags know what they are doing, don't they?
Roof Top Crow
9th Jul 2016
-3
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Following your posts, I think you are better placed to judge what constitutes whinging and whining than most other Silversurfers.

The tech stuff is the same as the equipment and software that thousands of oldies use to stay in touch with family and friends in the UK and throughout the world.

I assume your version of jaunting includes working in volunteer programmes in southern Europe, Africa, Asia and South America.
For me, jaunting is typified by Saga Holidays worldwide and Viking Riverboat Cruises. Self-indulgent holidays for the elderly with disposable funds.

Stop for a moment and think about the countries that have high youth unemployment.
Greece created its problems by not collecting tax. It was made worse by fraud at the highest level.
The strength of the Euro stabilised their economy. It is still in crisis but it is not getting worse.

Spanish banks invested billions into property on the coast. It crashed the economy.
The strength of the Euro stabilised their economy. It is recovering.

Irish banks invested billions into property throughout the country. It crashed the economy.
The strength of the Euro stabilised their economy. It is recovering.

It was the EU and the Euro that rescued these countries.
Lionel
9th Jul 2016
4
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Roof Top, you must have been on something good when you wrote the post above. Where did you buy it? EBay?
Roof Top Crow
10th Jul 2016
0
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I have occasionally sold things on e bay and just last week I bought some printer cartridges on e bay.
celtwitch
10th Jul 2016
0
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How exciting, I love printer cartridges!
Hattie
9th Jul 2016
2
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So! RTC where do the EU get an 'awful' lot of the money million/billions to rescue these countries from? UK,
Roof Top Crow
9th Jul 2016
-1
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No it does not work like that.
The money is raised by the European Central Bank and they raise the money worldwide just as other banks do.
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The UK is committed to funding some humanitarian aid.
Roof Top Crow
10th Jul 2016
0
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It comes out of the worldwide commitment to humanitarian aid. Aid to Nepal, Burundi, Yemen, Syria etc.

The UK meets its UN target of 0.7% of our national income on overseas aid.
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If you want more detail go on line and have look.
Hattie
9th Jul 2016
2
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RTC you appear to know the money figures, any chance you could come up with amounts on 'Some Funding' ?
Roof Top Crow
9th Jul 2016
-1
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To clarify.
The EU organises this process. The ECB raises the money in Euros. And the country that receives the money has to pay for it, it does not get the money for free.
Hattie
8th Jul 2016
0
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Ooops! sorry meant to click on Pam1960
scandiman
8th Jul 2016
2
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I hoped for a mature debate among politicians about the referendum. None has emerged with credit, nor has the media. The campaign was conducted in a mood of hysteria. It is no wonder so many of the electorate were confused. We have made our decision, time to move on and plan the future.
Lionel
8th Jul 2016
3
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Scandiman, I too hoped for a mature and adult debate between our politicians who, we are led to believe, are mature adults. Very sadly they demonstrated so adequately, that is not the case.

Many weeks ago on SS I suggested rather forcefully I'm afraid, we should dismiss all our politicians and peers, as well as at least the top third of the Civil Service. Today, they have proved my case for me!
Pam1960
8th Jul 2016
2
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I would vote in again. Whether we are in and out the issues in this country will not go away. The referendum showed we are a divided nation not just in the general population but in our Parliament. We do not have a party nor leader to take this country forward
Lionel
8th Jul 2016
3
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Pam, although I'm generally reserved, even conservative (with a small c) in my views, the events of these last three months have shown this nation to be riven with factions, special interest groups and a raft disaffected, disenfranchised people. OK, someone will claim I'm a pessimist, but that is not so.

I cannot today see how a patched together Tory administration, a party which was, and still is, primarily for remaining in the EU, may govern this great nation whilst steering the ship away from political union with Europe. To envisage a pro-remain party carrying out the wishes of a pro-leave people is a contradiction.

Quite honestly, I'm despairing of the two party state we've had for so long. Rather belatedly I'm coming around to the view, we need a reversion to democratic governance. In my view that would mean a new party composed of people with no prior Westminster affiliations.

Here, I quote a man I much admire, Oliver Cromwell:

“You have been sat too long here for any good you have been doing. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go!.”
Irene88
7th Jul 2016
7
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I voted out, I've waited 20 years to vote out. I studief EU politics at uni back in 1996 and when I had finally realised how their extremely complicated system worked and how bad it was I thought then this is not a good idea. At that time their were only 15 members and it took years to get any legislation past and it was usually in favour of france - common Agricultural policy. As it has grown in size we have paid more and many other countries have vbenfittted more. It's expensive and corrupt. What other organisation keeps moving their offices backwards and forward all the time between Brussels and Strasbourg just because they could agreeon where the office should be. it is plain stupid and our taxes pay for it.

The remainers saying the market is falling are deluded the market has been falling since December all over the world, it's not just Brexit. the ones that are wooried are the wealty with their investments in the EU.


I could go on but don't want to bore you all. just hope Conservative party vote for Andrea and not Theresa. I'm not conservative so don"t get a vote.
Hattie
7th Jul 2016
3
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Thank you Irene88. Think you're like button has been high jacked 🙂 can't click on it.
Denise Webb
7th Jul 2016
4
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You have to be logged in to click on the like button.
Lionel
7th Jul 2016
6
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Irene, you're certainly not boring. Please do go on, I want to hear what you have to say.
Lionel
8th Jul 2016
2
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Irene, need to hear what you have to say.
alimac
7th Jul 2016
6
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It was time Westminster and the European Commission were shaken up. I feel the public are never really listened to. If we really got back to basics, instead of all this PC agenda, Great Britain could stand on its own feet proudly in this world. It may take a while, but I have faith in the British public. Kindness , truth, and hard work will help, and I hope a lot of people, including our politicians take a long hard look at themselves.
Lionel
7th Jul 2016
8
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The referendum has shown our headline politicians to be what I often thought them to be - liars and playground bullies. There is no one on today's political scene who impresses me. No one I would trust to speak a truth. And without truth we are all lost. Without hope.

You won't be surprised after my six weeks of jousting with Roof Top to know I voted out. It was a decision arrived at forty years ago and I will not change my mind.

May I suggest these hoards who want a re-run of the referendum because it didn't end in their glory put down their computer games where one may hit re-run and start again. This is the real world, a world of life and death. There's no second chance.

What's done is done ... let's get on with life in a Brexit Britain.
Roof Top Crow
8th Jul 2016
0
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A couple of months ago Nigel Farage said that a 48% / 52% split would not be a true reflection of what the country wants. He went on to say said that he would campaign for a 2nd referendum if that was the result.

Now that we have a 52% / 48% split Farage has stepped back and said nothing more.

It is not as simple as getting on with life in a Brexit Britain. We are EU members for at least another two years and two months and maybe a lot longer.

Meanwhile, we have asked our elected government to negotiate with the 27 remaining countries our EU leaving the package.
And at the same time, we have asked our elected government to negotiate trade deals around the world to replace the trade the Leave campaign said we would lose by leaving the EU.

The only certainty we now have is that the next few years will be difficult and often disappointing and as always it will be the less well off and the younger generations that will feel the brunt of the 52% decision.
Lionel
8th Jul 2016
2
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Roof Top, your prediction of the next few years is just that, a prediction. Only yesterday is certain because it has happened, and cannot be changed. We live with the fall out from yesterday, speaking of a better tomorrow. But that remains a prediction.

Now, if you are prophesying, as a product of inspiration or other insight, well ...
scandiman
7th Jul 2016
8
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The electorate voted Out. The only reason some want this debated in Parliament is because they know majority of MPs support Remain. Members of Parliament do not represent the views of their constituents, only their own view. If another referendum is held because they didn't like the way we voted, then democracy in UK is finished. Why bother with voting for anything if they can change the decision because they didn't like it?
Wilf
7th Jul 2016
2
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That is a very good point scandiman...I did not think of this the MPs are NOT representing their constituents as 52% voted out
Lionel
7th Jul 2016
5
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Sandman, I think you find MP's vote for their party. Once elected they don't represent us at all.
Lionel
7th Jul 2016
2
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Sorry Scandiman, auto correct got your name wrong. I've manually corrected it. My apologies.
Cbnutkin
7th Jul 2016
4
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Yes I would definitely vote the same again. I voted leave and the sooner this happens the better.
Lionel
7th Jul 2016
5
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Agreed, CB, what's done is done, now let's move on. How anyone would even contemplate another fourteen weeks of referendum campaigning I can't imagine.
Cynth
7th Jul 2016
4
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I voted out and would vote out again for our sovereignty. However I have to wonder how many people voted out as a protest against an ineffectual parliament? I think we will struggle to find a strong leader who is willing to stand up to the United States of Europe from any party.
Lionel
7th Jul 2016
3
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Yes, we will struggle to find a strong leader - present contenders are not strong enough. But your main point, a vote against an ineffectual parliament is quite correct.

No sitting government does well in by elections, that's an historical fact. In a referendum, it would be, I think, much the same. How much of the leave vote was a protest vote? Your guess is as good as mine,

But I do suggest, it's a significant proportion.
Witneymum
7th Jul 2016
5
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I voted to remain and I would vote the same way if given the opportunity to do so again. I would suggest though that the scaremongering on both sides should be stopped.
thefilthycripple
7th Jul 2016
3
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The so called "financial crisis " has been carefully stage managed b y Osborne
Wilf
7th Jul 2016
2
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I am not sure even he is that smart! The financial markets decide the exchange rates of the £ etc
Ann Cobb
7th Jul 2016
3
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Your poll is too simplistic because what you are really asking is if you voted to leave would you change your mind (well that's my opinion for what it's worth!)
I voted to remain and would vote exactly the same
Lionel
7th Jul 2016
2
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Although I disagree with you on the vote, I would say, good on yer! Stick to your guns.
Mude
7th Jul 2016
4
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I would vote the same because I voted to stay in.
Wilf
7th Jul 2016
1
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Yes I voted in and would still vote the same as seems to be a shambles at the moment. Cameron should have just been much firmer a few months ago on the issue of migration and note of this fiasco would be happening
Lionel
7th Jul 2016
0
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Agreed on the migration issue, but the core of the referendum was about our sovereignty, not immigration. That is a side issue.
MorrisandDoris
9th Jul 2016
0
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The two are connected I'm afraid !
Wilf
7th Jul 2016
1
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Not true Lionel as far as the great British public are concerned...
Lionel
8th Jul 2016
1
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Wilf, I wholeheartedly agree. But none the less the referendum was about sovereignty and further political union. That immigration from the EU is a major part of that union is a secondary issue.

But I say again, I agree, for us, the great British public, it is a major issue and one which affected the vote.
jennytwoshoes
7th Jul 2016
0
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Voted to stay in and,would vote the same again
Lionel
7th Jul 2016
2
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Good, although I disagree on your votes. Stick to your guns!
BirdofParadise
7th Jul 2016
7
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Its going to take time for things to settle down. I am waiting for the day there is something else for people to focus their griping on. Long term the vote was in the interest of our future. Getting back to the great nation we were and shaping our own future.
As one example of why we have lost all our manufacturing capabilities, why were the porcelain poppies for the display in London and Lincoln. Made in China. An utter disgrace. We still have potteries. Look at all the high youth employment and the failing Euro. Better to be out now than caught up the disintegration.
Godders
7th Jul 2016
1
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It does not say which way people voted first
Hattie
7th Jul 2016
7
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As i have ask on another post but not had a reply. I would like a remain voter to give me a convincing reason why we should just hand over to EU our Legal System, and have to adhere to 100's and 100's of pages of Legislation from EU for our Border Control, Consumer Affairs, Employment, Human Rights etc, etc, etc.

I don't know? all sounds a bit more like Dictatorship than Democracy.
Lionel
7th Jul 2016
5
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Hattie I can't answer your question as I have so long wanted out and voted that way. But may I suggest the Remain camp is very quiet because they had no answer to our questions. Just a blind adherence to Brussels.
Hattie
7th Jul 2016
2
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Thank you Lionel, at least you replied.
I will say again, i watched 'Paxman in Brussels' on utube just by chance and i tell you, if the vote had turned out Remain i really, really would fear for our young people in the future they would have no say at all in the running of UK because there would be no longer a UK.
Lionel
8th Jul 2016
2
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Hattie, we have young people too. Four of them, all teen agers. I despair of their near futures.
Lionel
7th Jul 2016
4
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Hattie, the most important point you made above was there will no longer be a UK.

Hattie, I was twenty four when Wilson held a rather crooked referendum; old enough and wise enough to smell a rat a mile off. Now, having been a farm worker for twenty five years, often with cattle, I may say I can small the BS at an even greater distance!

In my time in farming I watched EU directives over rule generations of best practice, which had fed this nation well indeed; watched as we did things no rational farmer loving his land would do. The result is dead soil, drug addled livestock ... I could go on.

I have four step grand children, two of whom I raised from babies. Three of them are in line to go to university and I've caused a family row by saying we, us grand parents, won't help fund it. Why? They will emerge of three years with a piece of paper that's worth nothing.

I have a degree, in Geology, from London university. I paid for it, worked hard for it, but my heart was always with the land, with farms. But my degree is worth something. Hattie, we have young people working in our local Co-op with degrees. They slice cold meat, serve as check out people. I know them.

What is a degree in the EU worth? Nothing, I think.
Baxi
7th Jul 2016
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I voted in and I still would vote in. The disunity and lies spread by the leave campaign are only just starting to take effect. I think we're looking at a long and very painful process now. I don't understand why people didn't listen to the economists at least. All those people who think they're going to suddenly get jobs are likely in for a nasty surprise when the economy shrinks and companies start going out of business.
JohnHerb
7th Jul 2016
10
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It was always going to be short term pain for long term gain so I think we should stick with it and keep going as positively as possible. The Tories and Labour need to sort themselves out for the good of the country. Lets just get positive and get going forward
Putty
7th Jul 2016
1
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Depends what you mean by short term, 2 years, 5 years, 10 years ? and for what gain exactly?
Lionel
7th Jul 2016
4
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Putty, I sort of agree with you. I have yet to understand what we Brits actually gained from our EU membership. The industry I was most committed to, agriculture, has been utterly ruined by EU regulation. Don't get me on the state of our soils and farm animals.
Wilf
7th Jul 2016
1
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Lionel--what is the state of our soil and animals...vv Eu or USA or Africa??
Lionel
8th Jul 2016
2
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Wilf, I can't speak of Africa, and have only scant knowledge of the situation in North America.

In the UK, I've been farming in East Anglia, and several establishments in North Yorks, mainly the Vale of York and surrounding areas. I've also been in Eire in dairy, but that's another matter. Let's discuss what might be said to be a traditional farm, one so common just pre-War.

It would range between 40 acres and perhaps 200 at the biggest - the latter would have been farms owned by large estates. They would have several of them.

Always these were mixed farms; growing a range of crops suited to local conditions, as well as rearing cattle, chickens, pigs, ducks, geese and also some dairy. They were largely self sufficient, growing the animals needs on the farm. All the muck from those animals would be ploughed back into the fields in a cycle of what you take out you must replace. Now that's the key! In ancient speak it's called husbandry. One is a husband to the soil, cherishing, nurturing and feeding it and thus it feeds us. It feeds us what we need to grow and sustain healthy bodies.

During the War, and ever since, farms have ceased to be mixed farms. Bigger is better, or so the mantra goes. Thus they rely on artificial fertilisers for plant nutrients. NPK. Nitrogen, Potassium and Phosphorus, all the product of oil. But none of these have the trace elements the plant needs, or we need from the plant.

In constant use of artificial ,the soil is denuded of worms and micro organisms - they deliver the trace elements we need to live well. So, cutting it very short, farm produce no longer nourishes us.

Here in the back woods of Suffolk, in a very remote location, I have one twelfth of an acre food garden. That's a lot of land to dig with a spade and fork. Over these past fourteen years I've followed what I learned so many years ago - feed the soil. And I do.

Today the 1,100 hectare farm at the foot of my garden achieves two and three quarter tons of wheat per acre, using modern methods. On my first farm, a traditional farm, we in one year achieved three and three quarter tons per acre. That's a ton of wheat more using nothing of modern technology.

It used to be a cliche, the answer lies in the soil, but it is a truth. Feed the soil and you will live heartily. Neglect the soil, as our agri-businessmen are doing, and others will starve. If you're a city dweller, prepare to starve.

As for America, well, I do read Scientific American and it is the case, their yields per acre are worse than ours.

Summat's wrang .. and it ain't difficult to see what's wrong.
Munsterlander
7th Jul 2016
5
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I was thinking about voting out about a month ago and then looking at all the economic arguments decided to vote in at the last minute. I am now furious as it looks like we have a total fiasco on our hands for nothing. If we adopt the "Norway" style deal with the EU we still have to free our borders to EU migrants. The "leave" team lied about the NHS-Boris has gone and nobody in the conservative party supported him as PM anyway. To be honest I think he is what the media show him as a total clown. He should go and join a circus. Gove is a snake and I would not trust him as far as I could throw him. Farage is a joke. All this and as usual the ordinary Brit will be paying for all this mess. It need not have happened. Cameron should never have called the referendum. What a mess!
Jo Kingham
7th Jul 2016
10
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I would vote exactly the same way and to be frank I wish people would just accept the decision and move on!
Lionel
7th Jul 2016
2
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