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Ukraine war

Hi. I don't understand why Russia is being solely blamed for the war in Ukraine, surely Ukraine joining NATO is the same as the Cuban missile crisis in the 1970.


The U.S. president (I think Kennedy) threatened to invade Cuba if it allowed Russia to station missiles on its territory, Cuba being to close to the U.S. Ukraine borders Russia so allowing it to join NATO would put western missiles very close to Moscow.


Had Ukraine undertaken not to join NATO I doubt the Russians would have invaded. So I am really not sure who’s fault this awful war is, did NATO not provoke the Russians?


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4th May 2022 21:50:44
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Response from Dolly5 made on 5th May 2022 22:34:23
It is heartbreaking to see innocent people suffer due to power hungry men. We should all be living peacefully in this day and age.
Response from cris1117 Original Poster made on 6th May 2022 19:19:24
Hi. I don't think a nuclear war would have any survivors which maybe the best thing that could happen to planet earth, humans have done nothing but destroy things.
The planet would possibly recover in a few hundred thousand years but it would be an unimaginably different place, or a nuclear winter well may be the end of all life on earth forever.
If your familiar with the Fermi paradox we may well be fulfilling the theory.
For those that are not familiar with the Fermi paradox part of it is that alien life forms reach a level of technology which enables them to destroy themselves, about where we are now.
Hence why we never get to hear from them, they destroy themselves before they reach the technological ability to travel the vast distances involved for inter galactic travel.
KevilDog
9th Mar 2024 20:34:50
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Ukraine has not joined NATO, geez. And, there's no comparison of the war in Ukraine and the cuban missile crisis.
Mgad
22nd Jan 2023 12:09:36
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Ukraine wanted to join Nato because it had already suffered two land grabs by Putin and his mad dog army. Grabbing Crimea was what provoked Ukraine into wanting to join Nato and their fears were shown to be accurate when Russia effectively invaded Donbas on lying claims that Russians there needed rescuing. They then showed their contempt for the world opinion by shooting down a civil airliner - presumably for fun. If Ukraine falls, Nato will undoubtedly end up at war with Russia for its latter day Napoleon of a leader will be encouraged to grab at will.
Allan100
7th Nov 2022 11:16:33 (Last activity: 7th Nov 2022 16:00:19)
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The Russians are being blamed because they launched an invasion of Ukraine, one with tanks and armoured personnel carriers helicopters and cruise missiles (not one involving migrants in rubber boats)
NATO was careful not to antagonise Russia, it is the case that Ukraine is not a member of NATO.

All wars end in peace treaties (negotiations) noting in passing that the Korean war (1950-1953) has not ended, there is an armistice in place.

This is all complicated by the fact that the war actually began in 2014.
Response from Sally - Silversurfer's Editor made on 7th Nov 2022 14:01:19
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Response from Allan100 made on 7th Nov 2022 16:00:19
Thanks Sally
my post is a response to cris1117, which I now notice was made some time ago.
widman63
5th Sep 2022 06:11:11 (Last activity: 5th Sep 2022 08:38:59)
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there's a lot about the war that we the people are not being told. If NATO had not expanded east after they promised not to then Russia may not have attacked. If the Azov battalion ( a very Nazi group as reported by many news agencies early on and then hushed up) were not so numerous in the Ukraine military then maybe the Russians would not have attacked. Make no mistake. this is a proxy war. The Ukrainian people suffer and the rich people profit. We are fed propaganda from all sides. 90% of what you see on the news is propaganda no matter who reports it.
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cris1117 Original Poster
7th May 2022 11:29:33
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Completely agree in an ideal world Ukraine should be allowed to do as it wishes and so should Cuba, is it likely the US would stand for the Russians to base nukes on Cuba?

This isn't about blame its about manipulation, its not about Ukraine its about the big players jockeying for position.

The only winner in all this will be China, Russian oil and gas will soon be banned in the EU so it will be sold to China instead, because nobody else wants it prices will drop, happy days for China.
The big worry at the moment is China will invade Taiwan while everyone is watching Russia this maybe the whole reason behind this war, win win situation for China.
The Chinese have been cosying up to Russia lately so its not hard to see them manipulating Putin and visa versa who will win the game we will have to wait and see.

I personally think that if the Chinese refuse to condemn the actions of Russia it says it all, the only way to end this is to force the Chinese to condemn Russian aggression by banning Chinese goods from Europe if they don't.

Think I have finally discovered how to use this site, I do enjoy these discussions but was on the verge of giving up on silver surfers.
MrRon
7th May 2022 00:11:09
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Why do you think Russia has burnt earth in the Donbass region - Russia has lost 14 of its satellitte domaines to NATO - it doesn't want Americians next door - The Ukraine - Moscow M3 highway is 490 kilometres from from the Ukraine border to central Moscow.. Thats why putin said over his dead body...

Also - Ukraine is entitled to do what it wants - it is a sovereign country, Finland has applied to join, and you are not blaming them

If the world is to be global, then it needs everyone under one flag - One Vision, not 247 different countries with their own agendas

Russia to totally at fault here - affraid of the new world order, trying to maintain an archaic attachment to a failed past. no one wants communism

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