Brexit

"You’re Autocorrect must have an Irish computer." A "Scotsman "who makes that error - go on tell me more !!

Looks as though you are going to have to get the history books out, Yodama, as Colin seems very reticent in answering your question. Lochinvar, I can't cope - are you always so witty on a Monday morning? So early too - perhaps I need another coffee 🙂

Carole AH seeing that you as well are interested in the History of the Union , here is part of what has been sent to Yodama : 3. Aliens Act 1705
The English Parliament passed the Aliens Act of 1775 primarily to weaken Scotland’s hand . Amongst other things it forbade Scottish aristocracy to hold land in England as well as Scotland . Most of them did historically and this persuaded them to agree to an Act of Union The Alien Act provided that Scottish nationals in England were to be treated as aliens (foreign nationals), and estates held by Scots would be treated as alien property, making inheritance much less certain. It also included an embargo on the import of Scottish products into England and English colonies – about half of Scotland's trade, covering goods such as linen, cattle and coal


4.The Act of Union - 1707
The Scottish Parliament was made up of what was termed the Three Estates Members of the Parliament of Scotland were traditionally elected from three "estates" or classes: the clergy (bishops), the nobility and lairds, and the burgesses (representatives of the royal burghs).It was the”nobility and lairds”who forced the poassage of the Bill through the Parliament as noted below .
It was widely believed at the time that a handful of landed and affluent Scots took Scotland into a Union of Parliaments with England purely for their own advantage .Even though it has since proved to have been a mainly benign and often beneficial political twinning for Scotland as well as England , the Union remains a painful subject in many quarters .What is not in doubt is that there was an unprecedented degree of public opposition to it in the months leading up to it , , a wave of well – argued dissent – and some mob activity- that the authorities ought to have taken into consideration.
The writer and government agent Daniel Defoe was sent by the English parliament to act as a spy in Scotland in the run – up to the Union of the Parliaments . His role was to mingle widely , in disguise , and urge the Scots to back the proposal , which he genuinely thought would benefit their Country as well as his own . He was taken aback to discover the strength of feeling against the proposed merger , as witnessed here in Edinburgh
“ I had not been long in Edinburgh when I heard a great noise and looking out saw a terrible multitude coming up the High Street with a drum at the heads of them shouting and swearing and crying out – all Scotland would stand together – No Union ! – No Union ! I cannot say to you I had no apprehensions. particularly when a part of this mob fell upon a nd took gentleman who had discretion little enough to say something that displeased them just under my window . He defended himself bravely and called out lustily also for help to the Guard who being within hearing and ready drawn up in close order in the street , advanced , rescued the gentleman and took the person he was grappling with prisoner .
The city was by this time in a terrible fright . The Guards were insulted and stoned as they stood , the mob put out all the lights , nobody could stir in the streets and not a light be seen in a window for fear of stones “

The Bill was passed and the Union was created on the 1 May 1707 The danger to England from France a cross the Channel had been averted .

Excellent response, Jorid! 🙂

Ladies do accept my apologies if my strong opinions caused personal upset ! When your opinions and beliefs are undermined in such a two faced way it becomes a necessity to be be perhaps more voluble than normal ! I believe in democracy and a great believer in the devolved Scottish Parliament . The Brexit shambles has seen Mrs May and her right wing cronies treats both Parliaments in a totally dismissive manner paying the myopic and sectarian Ulster Unionists mega bucks to vote with them .The Union is supposedly a partnership of equals which it is clearly not the case . The Brexit Referendum has clearly been proven to have been illegal and dishonest . Sensibility must prevail ! Clearly from postings on this web page more than a few have no comprehension about politics north of the Border . The Scottish National Party is numerically the second largest party in the UK yet only stands in elections north of the Border ! It is a social democratic party and not comparable with the insular nationalism in some other countries ! It attracts all citizens who live there but have not necessarily been born there . As it so happened I could have pulled on the white of England had I been a better stand off in my rugby career of yesteryear ! Close family came from Yorkshire and Gloucestershire . The Brexit shambles has seen a sharp rise in support for independence and includes a large group entitled “English Scots for Yes “Am sure if Archie lived in God’s Country he and his family would be knocking at their door !

Well said, Lochinvar. The EU bullies are now having to re-group and come up with all kinds of diverse plans to scupper our chance of freedom. It has probably dawned on them, at last, that we mean to leave and unless they start to negotiate as adults instead of kindergarten tyrants we will just walk away.

Oh dear CaroleAH , afraid the shoe is on the wrong foot . The Brexit camp is being manipulated and held to ransom by a small cohort of right wing idealogues none of whom is on the breadline. This is highly pertinent given the impending changes in EU tax- law deliberately aimed at cutting tax evasion and tax avoidance by the rich ! That is why so many of your like minded citizens are now supporting the holding of a proper Referendum .

" Wee minnows in a big pond" Clear that Lochinvar needs to get back on his steed and ride back to reality ! Strange how the Brit Nats get uptight when the rest of the " fish " in our pond decide that enough is enough ALL the other parties unite to give the Tartan Tories a well deserved kick in their breeks - but as you say " who cares " Typical !

Now now Lochinvar dinnae twist the facts ! " Scotland voted in favour of the UK staying in the EU by 62% to 38% - with all 32 council areas backing Remain." Quite decisive and nothing to do with the Independence issue ! Who said that the term Brit Nats referred to a political party ?? It has become a generally used generic term referring to those opposed to Independence and continuance of the status quo !Scotland of course DID qualify for the World Cup and play in Group A with amongst others Ireland and Rumania . Good run out for the boys this season at Murrayfield when we over ran England with a degree of ease and not having to change the rules although wee Eddie would no doubt wish to have changed the Ref !

The Blair has an ego the size of ................... At one stage I really thought that he might just be impeached about the middle east debacle that he got us into, but no all seems so, so quiet on those points.But thinking about it, I suspect that if something were to be started, Mrs B and her chums [and Mr B ] from the same chambers, would come to the rescue. Guess what, who would be grasping those obnoxious fees ?? To save what is left of taxpayers money, perhaps it is best to let the sleeping dog lie !!

We are probably going to dump you and that Krankie lookalike who think she's the Queen of Scots !

Will be clad to get away from the bigoted English, that's why I moved here

The English, bigoted! Never, we are the nicest people, and modest too!

You had one referendum and voted to stay we in England on the other hand we didn't get a vote to see if we wanted you,so all you Scots wanting to leave then vote out next time we don't care down here ,and you are the bigoted ones not us you always have been and it a shame because if you look back at your history you will find that we took you into the union when Scotland went bankrupt and you've moaned ever since about something or other .

As I said, I live in Scotland, I am not Scottish but English and ashamed of the way English football supporters are behaving. Yet you claim the English are the nicest people.

They are, until provoked by thugs.

To Morrisanddoris,,i,m scottish and your right we could moan and gripe for Britain,,,oops well if we were part of it,but if Nicola gets her way we won,t be,,,we need to stick together now more than ever.

Didn't Scotland have a referendum not long ago and stayed tied to the English apron

To Morrisanddoris.....I was born in Scotland to a Scottish mother and an English father, I grew up in Scotland but currently live in England. I've also lived in various places throughout Scotland, England, the USA and Europe, and I find your views above on Scotland and the Scots rather offensive. Your use of the word 'we' (meaning presumably the English) strongly implies that all English people agree with you, you will find that they don't, thank goodness.

First, most of us in England do not have problem with the Scots, it's Scots who have a problem with us .
Scotland voted to remain IN the Union at the last referendum because you were afraid to go it alone without English subsidies.
Now you want another referendum on independence but with the cushion of the EU to subsidies you instead of England.
So vote OUT in the referendum if you are brave enough, for us here in England most of us don't really care, it's your choice just go for it !
And as for you finding my views offensive, some people just can't handle the truth!

Interesting you LIVE in England though !

Yes !

Dollie where are you!

Morrisand Doris, I live in England because my husband served his country for 25 years as an RAF Officer and was based in England, where he is still based, and doing the same job but as a civilian now, and my daughter and two grandchildren live here in England too. I already said that I'm half English and half Scottish, so why do you assume that I'm a Scot and talk to me as though I'm fully Scottish and have any say in what the Scots want?

I voted 'Remain' in the Brexit referendum because that was my personal choice. Most Scottish people voted 'Remain' because Scotland has historically always had a very healthy relationship with Europe and particularly with the French.

I don't have any problems with English people at all, only rude, anti-Scottish people who consider their view to be 'the truth' when in fact it's only a 'a view'.

I was a bit sad to see NS's use of the olive branch that TM held out do have full discussions with her over Scotland's position, and try and turn it into "I have the veto" statement, which I can only assume was attempted points scoring for propaganda purposes........ that sort of thing makes her look worse than our Boris!

Much the same as it was never our intent to see the EU destroyed, (although Juncer is doing his best from the Polish president's reaction to his threats), we hope to see Scotland amicably taking the path the Scots choose, be it aligned with us or aligned with Europe.

If that means another referendum so be it, but that will be exactly what NS wants, whether she gets a "Remain and a Break with the UK" vote, I would not like to predict !

HI Lionel, Interesting comment ! We knew nothing really about our ancestry, Dad had a big nose and always said the name was El Kin but we never believed the (silly old) Sod,; we though Mother's Cornish ancestry anecdotes where great-great-black-sheep etc was the bastard son of Francis Drake!

Until, one day in the 80's I received an mail from a Shalom Elkin in Israel welcoming me back to the tribe and asking if I was still practicing my religion !
Shalom was very old and decided to seek out all tribe members before he died, which catastrophically happened before he was able to fully document his research, his son had some of the data but 90% if his work was I believe lost.

One of our American cousins had paid de Bretts to do research, and not found the info on my Dad's two brothers that died in the trenches of the first World War.....and as I had this info we swapped the data from free.

Turns out in 17 xx the family of Romanian / Polish Jews emigrated from some pogrom or other to England as barge builders, then worked their way down the rivers/canals over a period of centuries till they resided in London.

As one of my customers once said to me..."Finishing up as a salesman was a good job for the Bastard son of a Pirate and a Jewish Grandfather, I will make sure to count my fingers from now on when we shake hands !"

Well said